If you ever thought to jump by JGE website and check the forums there , my advice is: forget it... In many many years of gaming i never seen more hostile horrible community. Basically the forums there are taken over by ex Jumpgate classic players. Old Jumpgate is, and never was a sucesfull game - and it was played by a handfull of hardcore entusiasts. ( Also known to repetedly gank newcomers to game
to such a degree that even game developers begged them to stop, because they were driving away what was allready small player base. Some people even claim JGC failed because of the bad rep caused by them ) This group of people has now taken over JGE forums. Their goal is to harass any poster recommending anything new or any change or evolvment of JGE from its old classic. Any post with new idea or something different to what they knew and are used to in the classic game, are met not by arguments but straight personal insults. So if you are new player. Interested in JGE (like i was) I advice you to spare your time and avoid the said forums.
My only hope is that this attempt to ruin any potential of this up comming game will not succeed, and that
the developers will realize they are dealing with loud and aggressive minority that will do world of hurt to the game and the fan base it is hoping to achieve... So far they lost one...
Ill have to agree with you, i have NO plans to consider this game, they are not only childish but are unable to think outside the box. More than likely their game will fail "again" as their first one did, its too bad they dont seem to understand games need funding and without subs no new content, art, expan's and so on will happen as their first game did!
Hehe Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ? Make a guess
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
Hehe Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ? Make a guess
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
Or when you have to defend your bully crew from JGE forums ?
Lobotomist, you come to the Jumpgate Evolution forums and post a bunch of threads all on the same idea which a large portion of the community disagreed with. You then proceed to argue pointlessly, flame, and just be a prick in general. You have an attitude when you post that says, "I'm better than everyone else here, do what I say," you don't seem to understand that Jumpgate Evolution isn't meant to copy every other game out there. So what if other games have avatars? I'm going to have to agree with Liet, avatars (like the ones in Eve) look really bad and kill immersion rather than improve it.
Now you come to the MMORPG forums and start making things up about a community you know nothing about and never once tried to get along with. If someone new joins the community and is polite, it doesn't matter if we disagree with their ideas we will welcome them in kind. If someone new joins the community and is a complete prick, has little knowledge of the previous game and it's community, but tries to speak as if they do (ie. you) the community will not react well and you'll get flamed for it. And if you think this is unique to the Jumpgate community than you clearly have only been on the internet for a month. This happens everywhere on the internet, especially on game forums. Get used to it.
You weren't flamed because of your ideas, you were flamed because you have a poor attitude. Maybe if you tried adjusting it a little you would be better received. As for calling JGC a failure, I'd like to see you and two other guys write a game in their basement, get it published and have it run for eight years and remain profitable. Scorch (Netdevil CEO) has said that to this day Jumpgate Classic is profitable in a recent interview. I'd hardly call a profitable game a failure. It may not be a massive success but that doesn't mean it failed miserably either. Even now, despite relatively low online numbers I can login at night, find a fight, have fun for a few hours and log off. It may not have 9 million subscribers like World of Warcraft, but it is a long way off of being a failure.
Please stop making up garbage and BS about a community you know nothing about. For anyone who is reading his posts: ignore them. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
For anyone who is reading his posts: ignore them. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
Don't worry, we sort of do anyways, but his posts are fun to read for the entertainment value.
I actually went and read some of the links others posted here, and I thought many folks gave reasonable replies to the suggestions. Sure, there were a few flames, but hey, that happens here all the time as well.
One thing that's for sure is that if you go spoiling for a fight on an internet forum you'll find it. Thing is you have to chose to either ignore it, or jump right in and enjoy the fun.
But you probably shouldn't complain about the results afterwards.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
First of all the cardinal rule of internet forums is don't feed the trolls. Flaming back something you say you do because you have a spine isn't "brave" or manly it is counter-productive at best and at worst it is a sign that you are gullible. Trolls post up flame bait TRYING to get you to flame back. They do this just to get a rise out of you, so you think you are "defending your honor in a courageous and manly way" on the internet forum but in reality they are making you look bad.
More over anyone who is new to a forum needs to understand less well written and understood rules. There is a pecking order usually established, and often a status quo. Every forum has it's own personality. If you are new you need to spend some time getting to know people, getting a feel for the place before you start suggesting sweeping changes. This very act can be interpreted as disrespectful.
I say this not to flame you or give you a hard time but to try and point out a few basics of forum etiquette you seem to either not be aware of or that you easily set aside when someone disagrees with you or flames you a bit. Flames happen it is part of the internet. They are lame, and those who delight in doing nothing but creating flame wars are pretty childish. The only thing you can do to defuse it is refuse to take part in their reindeer games.
Much like the super computer in the movie war games. It learns that the only way to win war games is not to play.
you know sometimes we clash on some subjects, and sometimes I support what your saying because sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes your right on whatever it is your saying.
I read all the crap over on JGE, you are only half right this time. Not really sure what "half right" is yet but that is what I am going to classify it as. You were wrong in stooping down the the 5yr old mentality and flaming back.
Usually it is good to just take a deep breathe and let it go, you have been on MMORPG long enough to have learned that by now, hell we have one of the MOST brutal forums on the net, with the amount of garbage that flings out of this place.
You were right that the JGE evo community does appear to be a very "special" group of individuals, not really a place I would want to "hang out".
So that makes you "half right".
Now another thing you are right about it is alllll these goons posting with 1-10 post totals. They are JGE people making their way here.
That is what upsets me, YOU JUST HAD TO BRING THEM HERE DIDN'T YOU. Couldn't leave them over there on the JGE forums to cause ruckus, you had to leave a trail of bread crumbs back to us.
Like we here at MMORPG need anymore immature bile on the forums.
1 post is valid argument , 1 post is : I will kill you on sight , 1 post is "You Fail" ,1 post "You are flamer because you insult people insulting you"
Got the picture ? And this is a normal forum community
You get that for posting a topic - JGE should have picture Avatars ...
Same got people that wrote about turrets , and the ones who wrote about autopilot , universe map ...
Basically any fresh innovative idea , gets flamed there ... go figure
And what now? Somebody posted a link to this topic on JGE forum , and alerted you all to salvage the situation?
Mate, you should salvage the situation on your own forums, and try to be more friendly to people and less hostile. What you are doing is just hurting the game. Dont you understand that ?
Hehe Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ? Make a guess
I don't agree with you, or with your point of view concerning the JGE forum.
The discussions on the thread you mentioned seemed to me pretty normal for a thread that is repeated too often already.
The avatar issue seemed to be done to death and some of the flaming originates from this fact.
Also, it is a subject that has been discussed by the devs. With as reason that this subject will be pushed back to keep the release date ontrack.
Any fan of a game in development will try to keep release date ontrack. And the one thing they fear is that a horde of 'outsiders' (a fuzzy label I agree) might give the marketing/ceo/ or even the developers the impression that in order to capture the target-market, they will need to add this feature at the cost of a later release date.
Such an event might be enough to push any fanboy into a rabbid frenzy.
Just look at Sony's decission to make SWG more appealing to a younger audiance. (Still foaming from my mouth here)
You seeked out a sore spot, and tapped on it, turned around, pointed and shouted "See! Agression!"
Not impressed.
AwenyddionCommunity Manager, Star Trek OnlineMemberPosts: 14
Originally posted by Lobotomist
If you ever thought to jump by JGE website and check the forums there , my advice is: forget it... In many many years of gaming i never seen more hostile horrible community. Basically the forums there are taken over by ex Jumpgate classic players. Old Jumpgate is, and never was a sucesfull game - and it was played by a handfull of hardcore entusiasts. ( Also known to repetedly gank newcomers to game
to such a degree that even game developers begged them to stop, because they were driving away what was allready small player base. Some people even claim JGC failed because of the bad rep caused by them ) This group of people has now taken over JGE forums. Their goal is to harass any poster recommending anything new or any change or evolvment of JGE from its old classic. Any post with new idea or something different to what they knew and are used to in the classic game, are met not by arguments but straight personal insults. So if you are new player. Interested in JGE (like i was) I advice you to spare your time and avoid the said forums.
My only hope is that this attempt to ruin any potential of this up comming game will not succeed, and that
the developers will realize they are dealing with loud and aggressive minority that will do world of hurt to the game and the fan base it is hoping to achieve... So far they lost one...
Please rest assured that we are initializing efforts to ensure that new players are made welcome and that hostile and angry posts are dealt with or made scarce.
Also understand that our players are very passionate about our game and while they may have strong ideas on how this game should turn out, they are in whole a good group of people who care about this game because they want it to succeed.
Have a good one!
Nicole "Awenyddion" Hamlett Star Trek Online Community Manager
Real question is : why does JGE forum bully feels he has to answer game suggestion , with insults ??
no, the real question is why do you feel a need to drag jge and the community down in the dirt? If there's iffy community standards, show the evidence then stfu and let people decide for themselves, instead of making it some kind of personal vendetta against them.
Insulting someone while debating is the second last strategy to winning a losing argument. You are going to lose anyway so you may aswell try it. Unfortunately, people these days have lost the ability to handle opposing views properly and often lead with a decent idea that can stand on its own merit but then immediately follow it up with personal insults; and more and more often they just toss out insults.
If you are wondering what the last strategy is.........it's to become violent. Nothing will make an opponent more agreeable then your fist to his face, but that is no longer acceptable behavior. Except in games that have open PvP - maybe it should be no surprise these people are behaving the way they do.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
I joined jumpgate way back in beta, and I've always found the community to be a friendly group of people. Yes, they have alot of newbie killers, but overall people are friendly as long as you behave yourself.
I certainly hope that Netdevil doesn't make the same mistakes they did in the past. This game certainly has alot of potential and needs to get past the elitism that their current game has. Making the game more newbie friendly and accessable will go a long way to building a large user base.
Sounds like your butt-hurt because a few people did not like and were negative towards your ideas.
And this is different from other forums how?
Those people are not an indication of the community as a whole, and from browsing those forums, most ideas seem to be meet with friendly discussion and debate.
Generalization is fun and makes it easier to alienate or distinguish yourself from a group.
Hehe Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ? Make a guess
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
Or when you have to defend your bully crew from JGE forums ?
Actually it's just lurking, because they know hot to keep their mouths shut.
Yes. Insulting an entire community on a forum other than that communities forum and then discrediting members of said community because they have a low post count, who have come to present their side of the argument to people who may be deciding whether or not to give a game a chance, is silly.
Gotta say, it's quite a feat to stir a fight on their forums and drag it over here...
I withhold comments on the nature of either of these communities (or any online community for that matter) - but one thing I do know: you have successfully advertised a game I had not even checked out before, and I think it seems like it could be quite fun.
So thanks for the heads-up, I think I will keep an eye out for this game. Any eta?
I agree entirely! After reading your post I decided to look over the forums and see how bad his community really was...I was shocked.
It turns out that everyone just wants the game to come out as soon as possible, and whenever someone objects, saying that it should be worked on longer, the flame the hell out of him.
It is very unfortunate that this happened to the community, and it will be hard to get a good, pre-game community going.
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You coming on to the JGE forums and saying that it was a good thing that our community is being slated over here helps either place in what way?
I see you have made one post and it was nothing but flame bait are you intentionally trying to evoke a bad feeling making remarks such as you did will only get a negative response from certain parts of the JGE community thus making the OP point seem more valid when in effect it is so far from the truth its missed it by a very wide berth.
I just hope our CM see's your post before any more damage can be done. And bans you and your ISP, if you have nothing constructive to post why bother?
Thanks for your post it was well thought out and must have taken you all of a nano seconded of your time to come up with.
The game has a huge player base most of it isn’t on the forum. You by your very actions and words know nothing about the Jumpgate community so please get your facts right before spouting off at the mouth.
Yes I do have a low post count it wasn’t going to go over 1 but alas your post made me make it 2. Rest assured I doubt it will go any higher, more to do with the only game I play on these forums is Jumpgate and I don’t have the time nor will power to troll one more, but when people come into our house and shite on the carpet I feel stirred to action.
Hehe Wonder why all posters claiming JGE community is not horrible , but it is me who is just bad repping them for nothing - are people with 1-10 posts on this forums ? Make a guess
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
Or when you have to defend your bully crew from JGE forums ?
Actually it's just lurking, because they know hot to keep their mouths shut.
They know hot? Not sure what that means, but I don't post on these forums because the games I play have their own. What would be the point in posting here where you all just hang out crying about games you don't seem to even play? Well, that and I usually play with actual real live friends, and don't need forums to have a life.
Once upon a time there was a forum troll. The troll craved attention and begged the world to agree with all of his marvelous ideas and phenomenal insight. So the troll went to visit the JGE forums and enlighten the obviously low IQ, uneducated and horribly uncreative community on how to make every aspect of their world better.
See, the troll know better. It knows better than the players who have played the game for 8 years. Knows better than the pilots who flew beta. Knows better than the players that worked with the devs to fix problems and create new content. Knows better than the company who is actually developing the game and obviously understands business plans, project management and the ability to meet deadlines more than any other person who ever lived.
So the troll posts its ideas. But instead of being welcomed with open arms and an international holiday being declared from the sheer brilliance and wisdom of the ideas, the troll is met with opposing opinions. How can this be? Do the players over at JGE simply not understand that they are foolishly disregarding the most important ideas ever to be thought of? What the troll (in its world where it and only it is the center of the universe) doesn’t understand is that the ideas have been discussed before. They have been talked about over and over and over again. Talked about on the original JG forums, on the JGE forums and on numerous fan sites for JG.
But the troll is never wrong and it craves attention. It needs to be acknowledged as brilliant and all knowing. So the troll posts again and gets the same feedback. Desperate, the troll moves into stage 2 – playing the victim.
The troll goes to MMORPG.com and talks about the brutal community that is JG. How mean they are, how unfair they are and just how plain hurtful they are. A few people glom on to this and this helps feed its ego. But then, some players from the JG community respond here and that upsets the troll. How dare they have a thought! How dare they point out that JG is the best online community that they have ever known. So the troll discounts their comments based purely on the number of posts that they have made. How could anyone with so few posts be able to bring anything factual and insightful to the table. (Never mind the fact that the troll has an infantile number of posts on JGE compared to those who opposed his views – Pot, meet kettle).
Moral of the story? There are three.
1) Don’t disregard a game simply because of the inane ramblings of a forum troll.
Once upon a time there was a forum troll. The troll craved attention and begged the world to agree with all of his marvelous ideas and phenomenal insight. So the troll went to visit the JGE forums and enlighten the obviously low IQ, uneducated and horribly uncreative community on how to make every aspect of their world better.
See, the troll know better. It knows better than the players who have played the game for 8 years. Knows better than the pilots who flew beta. Knows better than the players that worked with the devs to fix problems and create new content. Knows better than the company who is actually developing the game and obviously understands business plans, project management and the ability to meet deadlines more than any other person who ever lived.
So the troll posts its ideas. But instead of being welcomed with open arms and an international holiday being declared from the sheer brilliance and wisdom of the ideas, the troll is met with opposing opinions. How can this be? Do the players over at JGE simply not understand that they are foolishly disregarding the most important ideas ever to be thought of? What the troll (in its world where it and only it is the center of the universe) doesn’t understand is that the ideas have been discussed before. They have been talked about over and over and over again. Talked about on the original JG forums, on the JGE forums and on numerous fan sites for JG.
But the troll is never wrong and it craves attention. It needs to be acknowledged as brilliant and all knowing. So the troll posts again and gets the same feedback. Desperate, the troll moves into stage 2 – playing the victim.
The troll goes to MMORPG.com and talks about the brutal community that is JG. How mean they are, how unfair they are and just how plain hurtful they are. A few people glom on to this and this helps feed its ego. But then, some players from the JG community respond here and that upsets the troll. How dare they have a thought! How dare they point out that JG is the best online community that they have ever known. So the troll discounts their comments based purely on the number of posts that they have made. How could anyone with so few posts be able to bring anything factual and insightful to the table. (Never mind the fact that the troll has an infantile number of posts on JGE compared to those who opposed his views – Pot, meet kettle).
Moral of the story? There are three.
1) Don’t disregard a game simply because of the inane ramblings of a forum troll.
2) RATHA loves numbered posts
3) Most importantly – don’t feed the troll.
So let me get this straight...
The econemy of America is not going so well...And it is a major issue. But it should not be repeated, since it has already been talked about? NO! If something is an important issue, then it will be repeated and repeated until something is done about it. Clearly, nothing is happening to make this community better.
By the way, the community DOES suck. You say that the trolll knows better than thew players who played in beta. Well hell, mabye it does! More than half of the people who are long time players of JG are saying they want it released in 2008, no matter how many bugs there are. You are saying that these people know just as much as the troll, who says that they should take their time?
This game's community will bring it down...
By the way, YOU are the troll here, for you clearly have no idea about how bad it really is.
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Ill have to agree with you, i have NO plans to consider this game, they are not only childish but are unable to think outside the box. More than likely their game will fail "again" as their first one did, its too bad they dont seem to understand games need funding and without subs no new content, art, expan's and so on will happen as their first game did!
Count me out!
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
Or when you have to defend your bully crew from JGE forums ?
Lobotomist, you come to the Jumpgate Evolution forums and post a bunch of threads all on the same idea which a large portion of the community disagreed with. You then proceed to argue pointlessly, flame, and just be a prick in general. You have an attitude when you post that says, "I'm better than everyone else here, do what I say," you don't seem to understand that Jumpgate Evolution isn't meant to copy every other game out there. So what if other games have avatars? I'm going to have to agree with Liet, avatars (like the ones in Eve) look really bad and kill immersion rather than improve it.
Now you come to the MMORPG forums and start making things up about a community you know nothing about and never once tried to get along with. If someone new joins the community and is polite, it doesn't matter if we disagree with their ideas we will welcome them in kind. If someone new joins the community and is a complete prick, has little knowledge of the previous game and it's community, but tries to speak as if they do (ie. you) the community will not react well and you'll get flamed for it. And if you think this is unique to the Jumpgate community than you clearly have only been on the internet for a month. This happens everywhere on the internet, especially on game forums. Get used to it.
You weren't flamed because of your ideas, you were flamed because you have a poor attitude. Maybe if you tried adjusting it a little you would be better received. As for calling JGC a failure, I'd like to see you and two other guys write a game in their basement, get it published and have it run for eight years and remain profitable. Scorch (Netdevil CEO) has said that to this day Jumpgate Classic is profitable in a recent interview. I'd hardly call a profitable game a failure. It may not be a massive success but that doesn't mean it failed miserably either. Even now, despite relatively low online numbers I can login at night, find a fight, have fun for a few hours and log off. It may not have 9 million subscribers like World of Warcraft, but it is a long way off of being a failure.
Please stop making up garbage and BS about a community you know nothing about. For anyone who is reading his posts: ignore them. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
Don't worry, we sort of do anyways, but his posts are fun to read for the entertainment value.
I actually went and read some of the links others posted here, and I thought many folks gave reasonable replies to the suggestions. Sure, there were a few flames, but hey, that happens here all the time as well.
One thing that's for sure is that if you go spoiling for a fight on an internet forum you'll find it. Thing is you have to chose to either ignore it, or jump right in and enjoy the fun.
But you probably shouldn't complain about the results afterwards.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
First of all the cardinal rule of internet forums is don't feed the trolls. Flaming back something you say you do because you have a spine isn't "brave" or manly it is counter-productive at best and at worst it is a sign that you are gullible. Trolls post up flame bait TRYING to get you to flame back. They do this just to get a rise out of you, so you think you are "defending your honor in a courageous and manly way" on the internet forum but in reality they are making you look bad.
More over anyone who is new to a forum needs to understand less well written and understood rules. There is a pecking order usually established, and often a status quo. Every forum has it's own personality. If you are new you need to spend some time getting to know people, getting a feel for the place before you start suggesting sweeping changes. This very act can be interpreted as disrespectful.
I say this not to flame you or give you a hard time but to try and point out a few basics of forum etiquette you seem to either not be aware of or that you easily set aside when someone disagrees with you or flames you a bit. Flames happen it is part of the internet. They are lame, and those who delight in doing nothing but creating flame wars are pretty childish. The only thing you can do to defuse it is refuse to take part in their reindeer games.
Much like the super computer in the movie war games. It learns that the only way to win war games is not to play.
So… um... don't play.
Lobo,
you know sometimes we clash on some subjects, and sometimes I support what your saying because sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes your right on whatever it is your saying.
I read all the crap over on JGE, you are only half right this time. Not really sure what "half right" is yet but that is what I am going to classify it as. You were wrong in stooping down the the 5yr old mentality and flaming back.
Usually it is good to just take a deep breathe and let it go, you have been on MMORPG long enough to have learned that by now, hell we have one of the MOST brutal forums on the net, with the amount of garbage that flings out of this place.
You were right that the JGE evo community does appear to be a very "special" group of individuals, not really a place I would want to "hang out".
So that makes you "half right".
Now another thing you are right about it is alllll these goons posting with 1-10 post totals. They are JGE people making their way here.
That is what upsets me, YOU JUST HAD TO BRING THEM HERE DIDN'T YOU. Couldn't leave them over there on the JGE forums to cause ruckus, you had to leave a trail of bread crumbs back to us.
Like we here at MMORPG need anymore immature bile on the forums.
I could choke you out for this crap.
THANKS LOBO!
So basically what you are trying to say is.
JGE forum community is like this:
1 post is valid argument , 1 post is : I will kill you on sight , 1 post is "You Fail" ,1 post "You are flamer because you insult people insulting you"
Got the picture ? And this is a normal forum community
You get that for posting a topic - JGE should have picture Avatars ...
Same got people that wrote about turrets , and the ones who wrote about autopilot , universe map ...
Basically any fresh innovative idea , gets flamed there ... go figure
And what now? Somebody posted a link to this topic on JGE forum , and alerted you all to salvage the situation?
Mate, you should salvage the situation on your own forums, and try to be more friendly to people and less hostile. What you are doing is just hurting the game. Dont you understand that ?
The discussions on the thread you mentioned seemed to me pretty normal for a thread that is repeated too often already.
The avatar issue seemed to be done to death and some of the flaming originates from this fact.
Also, it is a subject that has been discussed by the devs. With as reason that this subject will be pushed back to keep the release date ontrack.
Any fan of a game in development will try to keep release date ontrack. And the one thing they fear is that a horde of 'outsiders' (a fuzzy label I agree) might give the marketing/ceo/ or even the developers the impression that in order to capture the target-market, they will need to add this feature at the cost of a later release date.
Such an event might be enough to push any fanboy into a rabbid frenzy.
Just look at Sony's decission to make SWG more appealing to a younger audiance. (Still foaming from my mouth here)
You seeked out a sore spot, and tapped on it, turned around, pointed and shouted "See! Agression!"
Not impressed.
Please rest assured that we are initializing efforts to ensure that new players are made welcome and that hostile and angry posts are dealt with or made scarce.Also understand that our players are very passionate about our game and while they may have strong ideas on how this game should turn out, they are in whole a good group of people who care about this game because they want it to succeed.
Have a good one!
Nicole "Awenyddion" Hamlett
Star Trek Online Community Manager
no, the real question is why do you feel a need to drag jge and the community down in the dirt? If there's iffy community standards, show the evidence then stfu and let people decide for themselves, instead of making it some kind of personal vendetta against them.
You must be a swg vet.
lobo, u need a big hug.
My cool sig: Turrets suck.
Insulting someone while debating is the second last strategy to winning a losing argument. You are going to lose anyway so you may aswell try it. Unfortunately, people these days have lost the ability to handle opposing views properly and often lead with a decent idea that can stand on its own merit but then immediately follow it up with personal insults; and more and more often they just toss out insults.
If you are wondering what the last strategy is.........it's to become violent. Nothing will make an opponent more agreeable then your fist to his face, but that is no longer acceptable behavior. Except in games that have open PvP - maybe it should be no surprise these people are behaving the way they do.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
I joined jumpgate way back in beta, and I've always found the community to be a friendly group of people. Yes, they have alot of newbie killers, but overall people are friendly as long as you behave yourself.
I certainly hope that Netdevil doesn't make the same mistakes they did in the past. This game certainly has alot of potential and needs to get past the elitism that their current game has. Making the game more newbie friendly and accessable will go a long way to building a large user base.
Sounds like your butt-hurt because a few people did not like and were negative towards your ideas.
And this is different from other forums how?
Those people are not an indication of the community as a whole, and from browsing those forums, most ideas seem to be meet with friendly discussion and debate.
Generalization is fun and makes it easier to alienate or distinguish yourself from a group.
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
Or when you have to defend your bully crew from JGE forums ?
Actually it's just lurking, because they know hot to keep their mouths shut.
Bollocks!
Yes. Insulting an entire community on a forum other than that communities forum and then discrediting members of said community because they have a low post count, who have come to present their side of the argument to people who may be deciding whether or not to give a game a chance, is silly.
Hell, I've managed to have a few posts on the JGE forums, and never been insulted or had to do any insulting. And if I can manage that, anyone can.
Gotta say, it's quite a feat to stir a fight on their forums and drag it over here...
I withhold comments on the nature of either of these communities (or any online community for that matter) - but one thing I do know: you have successfully advertised a game I had not even checked out before, and I think it seems like it could be quite fun.
So thanks for the heads-up, I think I will keep an eye out for this game. Any eta?
OP-
I agree entirely! After reading your post I decided to look over the forums and see how bad his community really was...I was shocked.
It turns out that everyone just wants the game to come out as soon as possible, and whenever someone objects, saying that it should be worked on longer, the flame the hell out of him.
It is very unfortunate that this happened to the community, and it will be hard to get a good, pre-game community going.
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You coming on to the JGE forums and saying that it was a good thing that our community is being slated over here helps either place in what way?
I see you have made one post and it was nothing but flame bait are you intentionally trying to evoke a bad feeling making remarks such as you did will only get a negative response from certain parts of the JGE community thus making the OP point seem more valid when in effect it is so far from the truth its missed it by a very wide berth.
I just hope our CM see's your post before any more damage can be done. And bans you and your ISP, if you have nothing constructive to post why bother?
Thanks for your post it was well thought out and must have taken you all of a nano seconded of your time to come up with.
The game has a huge player base most of it isn’t on the forum. You by your very actions and words know nothing about the Jumpgate community so please get your facts right before spouting off at the mouth.
Yes I do have a low post count it wasn’t going to go over 1 but alas your post made me make it 2. Rest assured I doubt it will go any higher, more to do with the only game I play on these forums is Jumpgate and I don’t have the time nor will power to troll one more, but when people come into our house and shite on the carpet I feel stirred to action.
I've been registered here for years, I just don't post on their forums. Well, except for "special" people.
Or when you have to defend your bully crew from JGE forums ?
Actually it's just lurking, because they know hot to keep their mouths shut.
They know hot? Not sure what that means, but I don't post on these forums because the games I play have their own. What would be the point in posting here where you all just hang out crying about games you don't seem to even play? Well, that and I usually play with actual real live friends, and don't need forums to have a life.
Once upon a time there was a forum troll. The troll craved attention and begged the world to agree with all of his marvelous ideas and phenomenal insight. So the troll went to visit the JGE forums and enlighten the obviously low IQ, uneducated and horribly uncreative community on how to make every aspect of their world better.
See, the troll know better. It knows better than the players who have played the game for 8 years. Knows better than the pilots who flew beta. Knows better than the players that worked with the devs to fix problems and create new content. Knows better than the company who is actually developing the game and obviously understands business plans, project management and the ability to meet deadlines more than any other person who ever lived.
So the troll posts its ideas. But instead of being welcomed with open arms and an international holiday being declared from the sheer brilliance and wisdom of the ideas, the troll is met with opposing opinions. How can this be? Do the players over at JGE simply not understand that they are foolishly disregarding the most important ideas ever to be thought of? What the troll (in its world where it and only it is the center of the universe) doesn’t understand is that the ideas have been discussed before. They have been talked about over and over and over again. Talked about on the original JG forums, on the JGE forums and on numerous fan sites for JG.
But the troll is never wrong and it craves attention. It needs to be acknowledged as brilliant and all knowing. So the troll posts again and gets the same feedback. Desperate, the troll moves into stage 2 – playing the victim.
The troll goes to MMORPG.com and talks about the brutal community that is JG. How mean they are, how unfair they are and just how plain hurtful they are. A few people glom on to this and this helps feed its ego. But then, some players from the JG community respond here and that upsets the troll. How dare they have a thought! How dare they point out that JG is the best online community that they have ever known. So the troll discounts their comments based purely on the number of posts that they have made. How could anyone with so few posts be able to bring anything factual and insightful to the table. (Never mind the fact that the troll has an infantile number of posts on JGE compared to those who opposed his views – Pot, meet kettle).
Moral of the story? There are three.
1) Don’t disregard a game simply because of the inane ramblings of a forum troll.
2) RATHA loves numbered posts
3) Most importantly – don’t feed the troll.
So let me get this straight...
The econemy of America is not going so well...And it is a major issue. But it should not be repeated, since it has already been talked about? NO! If something is an important issue, then it will be repeated and repeated until something is done about it. Clearly, nothing is happening to make this community better.
By the way, the community DOES suck. You say that the trolll knows better than thew players who played in beta. Well hell, mabye it does! More than half of the people who are long time players of JG are saying they want it released in 2008, no matter how many bugs there are. You are saying that these people know just as much as the troll, who says that they should take their time?
This game's community will bring it down...
By the way, YOU are the troll here, for you clearly have no idea about how bad it really is.
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Don't feed the troll.