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PaRoXiTiCPaRoXiTiC Member UncommonPosts: 603

I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)

The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.

Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.

#1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.

#2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.

I am so psyked for this game to come out.

Comments

  • Unicorns_PwnUnicorns_Pwn Member Posts: 427

    When did youtube become as much of an authority to truth and fact as Wikipedia?

     

     

     

    ...theres some sarcasm  in that question there.. calm down kids,

  • PaRoXiTiCPaRoXiTiC Member UncommonPosts: 603

    They have footage of the game on YouTube... if you are somewhat intelligent you can see which are legit videos put together by actual people who have played the game.

    I watched 3 tutorials on Mounts, Rangers, and Melees that were phenomenal. I also saw 2 or 3 legit Pking videos even though they were extremely low lvls.

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    let me know when you find some pvp with more than 4x4 and some live sieges with a good amount of players. My concern is with performance...since i have already concluded crafting is BLAH i am hoping for at least good combat and performance

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  • Unicorns_PwnUnicorns_Pwn Member Posts: 427

    Dude, you have to watch the videos on youtube. It says everything about the game. If you can't digest watching a video and actually experience how fun/involved the gameplay is you must have some sort of mental deficiency.

  • safwdsafwd Member Posts: 879

    Can you imagine a guy saying that he thinks a game looks Unreal based off of videos he has watched, since he actually isnt playing yet. Who would make such a leap.

    Oh wait, EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME!!!!!!

    He is saying that he thinks AOC will be awesome based on the videos he has seen on the AOC forum, it isnt like he posted this on the Warhammer forum.

    Somebody feed the wolves.

  • falc0nfalc0n Member UncommonPosts: 385
    Originally posted by safwd


    Can you imagine a guy saying that he thinks a game looks Unreal based off of videos he has watched, since he actually isnt playing yet. Who would make such a leap.
    Oh wait, EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME!!!!!!
    He is saying that he thinks AOC will be awesome based on the videos he has seen on the AOC forum, it isnt like he posted this on the Warhammer forum.
    Somebody feed the wolves.

    yup, but i do agree this game is gonna be epic.

  • marmagmarmag Member UncommonPosts: 72

     

    I agree in Epic term.

     

    I allready prepayed for two years subscription.

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431

    Never form an opinion about a game til youve played it. Its like food, it may look good, but that doesnt guarantee it tastes good.

    This game is so overhyped it makes me cringe, with all that pressure I suspect a lot of people will be disappointed. I hope not, Id like to see them follow through on some of those promises, however Vanguard made me leary of promises made vs actually delivery.

    Youtube vidoes mean nothing to me, you can find Darkfall videos on there too, look how well thats going.

    Id suggest a more tempered approach, as opposed to overyly hyped psychobilly freak out.

  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130

    Originally posted by marmag


     
    I agree in Epic term.
     
    I allready prepayed for two years subscription.

     

    Then you don't know Funcom, the game could be the best EVER the first 6 months but its THEIR expansions that will kill this game.

     

    Knowing Funcom they will probably have a Space type expansion added to AOC within the first 1 1/2 year... Sorta like what they did to Anarchy Online when they added Shadowlands (EQ1.5) and ran most of their player base away which forced them to make the game free soon after.

     

    Anyways in response to the OP, I think the game will be pretty decent, in the begging anyways.  But I would not use the term "Unreal" just yet.  From what I have seen the combat is rather, blah.. But everything else appears to be pretty damn good.

    I hope your right about requiring skill though, im so sick of games that  go by what your wearing not what you can do.

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  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812

     

    Originally posted by Tinybina


     
    Originally posted by marmag


     
    I agree in Epic term.
     
    I allready prepayed for two years subscription.

     

     

    Then you don't know Funcom, the game could be the best EVER the first 6 months but its THEIR expansions that will kill this game.

     

    Knowing Funcom they will probably have a Space type expansion added to AOC within the first 1 1/2 year... Sorta like what they did to Anarchy Online when they added Shadowlands (EQ1.5) and ran most of their player base away which forced them to make the game free soon after.

     

    Anyways in response to the OP, I think the game will be pretty decent, in the begging anyways.  But I would not use the term "Unreal" just yet.  From what I have seen the combat is rather, blah.. But everything else appears to be pretty damn good.

    I hope your right about requiring skill though, im so sick of games that  go by what your wearing not what you can do.

    A space type expansion in AoC?  Errr....why the heck would you think that?

     

     

    All right, if you fear they might make some mistakes in expansions, that is a valid concern of yours and obviously, we will have to wait and see how that works but why would FC even consider doing -anything- Space related in AoC???

     

  • LiquidvisonLiquidvison Member Posts: 112

    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)
    The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.
    Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.
    #1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.
    #2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.
    I am so psyked for this game to come out.
    LMFAO you are using Youtube vids to boast and bash two mmo's currently in beta? wow thats sad, your first reason saying it will take skill? lol have you seen the combat? it wont take skill just pressing buttons same as all mmo's and ur 2nd point of the spectacular community? omg can you see into the furture? you know the community is gonna be good and the game isnt out yet? lmao

    I will sum up you whole post in one word.......FAIL!!!!

    O.P.=

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812

    Originally posted by Liquidvison


     
    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)
    The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.
    Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.
    #1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.
    #2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.
    I am so psyked for this game to come out.
    LMFAO you are using Youtube vids to boast and bash two mmo's currently in beta? wow thats sad, your first reason saying it will take skill? lol have you seen the combat? it wont take skill just pressing buttons same as all mmo's and ur 2nd point of the spectacular community? omg can you see into the furture? you know the community is gonna be good and the game isnt out yet? lmao

     

    I will sum up you whole post in one word.......FAIL!!!!

    O.P.=

    Just out of curiosity, because I have seen many people make this point (the "all it takes is button mashing" point). What kind of combat system -does- require skill then? And to toss a bit of your own medicine back at you, how can you tell AoC Combat will just be button-mashing just from watching youtube vids? ;)

     

    Seriously though, if you could answer my question, I would appreciate it.

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by singsofdeath


     
    Originally posted by Liquidvison


     
    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)
    The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.
    Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.
    #1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.
    #2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.
    I am so psyked for this game to come out.
    LMFAO you are using Youtube vids to boast and bash two mmo's currently in beta? wow thats sad, your first reason saying it will take skill? lol have you seen the combat? it wont take skill just pressing buttons same as all mmo's and ur 2nd point of the spectacular community? omg can you see into the furture? you know the community is gonna be good and the game isnt out yet? lmao

     

    I will sum up you whole post in one word.......FAIL!!!!

    O.P.=

    Just out of curiosity, because I have seen many people make this point (the "all it takes is button mashing" point). What kind of combat system -does- require skill then? And to toss a bit of your own medicine back at you, how can you tell AoC Combat will just be button-mashing just from watching youtube vids? ;)

     

     

    Seriously though, if you could answer my question, I would appreciate it.

    Good to see AmazingAvery has a vice president for the AoC fanclub ;)

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812
    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by singsofdeath


     
    Originally posted by Liquidvison


     
    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)
    The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.
    Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.
    #1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.
    #2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.
    I am so psyked for this game to come out.
    LMFAO you are using Youtube vids to boast and bash two mmo's currently in beta? wow thats sad, your first reason saying it will take skill? lol have you seen the combat? it wont take skill just pressing buttons same as all mmo's and ur 2nd point of the spectacular community? omg can you see into the furture? you know the community is gonna be good and the game isnt out yet? lmao

     

    I will sum up you whole post in one word.......FAIL!!!!

    O.P.=

    Just out of curiosity, because I have seen many people make this point (the "all it takes is button mashing" point). What kind of combat system -does- require skill then? And to toss a bit of your own medicine back at you, how can you tell AoC Combat will just be button-mashing just from watching youtube vids? ;)

     

     

    Seriously though, if you could answer my question, I would appreciate it.

    Good to see AmazingAvery has a vice president for the AoC fanclub ;)

    All right, I admit I look forward to AoC, but what the hell was this about? I was asking a simple question and this is the answer I get? *smirk*

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812

    Originally posted by safwd


     

    All right, I admit I look forward to AoC, but what the hell was this about? I was asking a simple question and this is the answer I get? *smirk*
    How dare you ask for an example on these boards SingsofDeath. You have been here long enough to know that anyone can say any type of nonsense they want with no backing whatsoever and you must simply eat it like a tasty piece of PIE. To do differently makes you a Fanboi or a Hater depending on who makes the statement.

     

    (Actually im sutely trying to derail this discussion into a Pie discussion)

    PIE!!! Errr, right. Right, of course. How could I forget.

     

  • Death1942Death1942 Member UncommonPosts: 2,587
    Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn


    When did youtube become as much of an authority to truth and fact as Wikipedia?
     
     
     
    ...theres some sarcasm  in that question there.. calm down kids,

    because its so much easier than opening a book and/or actually bothering to search websites.

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    -Changeable worlds
    -Solid non level based game
    -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads

  • taliftalif Member Posts: 141

    Hmm this game does have the  potential to be epic but will it deliver the goods? We will have to wait and see. I for one hopes it can with all the hype and kool. But we shall all see on 5-20-08

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    Waiting 4 DCUO ,and FFXIV

  • ZeelotZeelot Member Posts: 126

    I dont think it will even dent the world of warcraft machinery. It has limited itself by its requirements, and no matter what, there will always be people like me, that are more than skeptic when it comes to their combat mechanics.

    And being the "mature" game that it is, it is quite funny that their marketing is all visual bling bling, when the mature crowd would rather have some hard facts. I admit thats a personal assumption but the bling bling would work better for the imature - knowing that bling bling isnt what makes a mmorpg successful.

    Skepticism is healthy in this line of gaming genre, and makes the game that much better if it actually turns out to be a success.

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)
    The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.
    Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.
    #1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.
    #2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.
    I am so psyked for this game to come out.

     wow, you all are mauling this guy for actually daring to be excited by the game in public... Most posts here have been just plain nasty.

    PLEASE tell me that none of you are actually thinking of playing and just hang out in this forum to play Flame Wars?

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,097

     

    Originally posted by vesavius


     
    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)
    The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.
    Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.
    #1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.
    #2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.
    I am so psyked for this game to come out.

     

     wow, you all are mauling this guy for actually daring to be excited by the game in public... Most posts here have been just plain nasty.

    PLEASE tell me that none of you are actually thinking of playing and just hang out in this forum to play Flame Wars?

     

    Well seriously, what do you/him expect?  He's a new account (probably an alt) with 2 whole posts, so he lack credibility right from the start.  Predictions that this game will be bigger than WOW ever was? Yeah, right, lets hope for 500K subs and call it a win. 

    Then the OP goes on to toss a hard slam at Warhammer, when he really knows nothing about either game other than a few videos on Youtube, again, a lack of credibility and of course begs for a bit of flaming.

    Now I agree, the combat does sound more interesting than most, but its just button mashing in the end, and don't kid yourself, good gear will definitely give you an edge, as in any game.

    Finally, predictions about how good this community is going to be is a bit premature.  We have no way of knowing whether the "M" rating will really bring an older (but not necessarily more mature) audience.  It could have the opposite effect.

    No, the OP obviously came here looking for a reaction, and of course, like someone famous once said..."if that's the way he wants it, he gets it"

    BTW, I am planning on playing this game, but I left my rose colored glasses back home.

     

     

     

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  • Unicorns_PwnUnicorns_Pwn Member Posts: 427

     

    Originally posted by Kyleran


     
    Originally posted by vesavius


     
    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)
    The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.
    Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.
    #1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.
    #2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.
    I am so psyked for this game to come out.

     

     wow, you all are mauling this guy for actually daring to be excited by the game in public... Most posts here have been just plain nasty.

    PLEASE tell me that none of you are actually thinking of playing and just hang out in this forum to play Flame Wars?

     

    Well seriously, what do you/him expect?  He's a new account (probably an alt) with 2 whole posts, so he lack credibility right from the start.  Predictions that this game will be bigger than WOW ever was? Yeah, right, lets hope for 500K subs and call it a win. 

    Then the OP goes on to toss a hard slam at Warhammer, when he really knows nothing about either game other than a few videos on Youtube, again, a lack of credibility and of course begs for a bit of flaming.

    Now I agree, the combat does sound more interesting than most, but its just button mashing in the end, and don't kid yourself, good gear will definitely give you an edge, as in any game.

    Finally, predictions about how good this community is going to be is a bit premature.  We have no way of knowing whether the "M" rating will really bring an older (but not necessarily more mature) audience.  It could have the opposite effect.

    No, the OP obviously came here looking for a reaction, and of course, like someone famous once said..."if that's the way he wants it, he gets it"

    BTW, I am planning on playing this game, but I left my rose colored glasses back home.

     

     

     

    Sounds like you were trying to quote you were looking for was

     

     

    "What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men."

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  • marmagmarmag Member UncommonPosts: 72

     

    Originally posted by Tinybina


     
    Originally posted by marmag


     
    I agree in Epic term.
     
    I allready prepayed for two years subscription.

     

     

    Then you don't know Funcom, the game could be the best EVER the first 6 months but its THEIR expansions that will kill this game.

     

    Knowing Funcom they will probably have a Space type expansion added to AOC within the first 1 1/2 year... Sorta like what they did to Anarchy Online when they added Shadowlands (EQ1.5) and ran most of their player base away which forced them to make the game free soon after.

     

    Anyways in response to the OP, I think the game will be pretty decent, in the begging anyways.  But I would not use the term "Unreal" just yet.  From what I have seen the combat is rather, blah.. But everything else appears to be pretty damn good.

    I hope your right about requiring skill though, im so sick of games that  go by what your wearing not what you can do.

     

    It was a joke about subscription.

    Yes, it will be a decent game and I hope with no fail at start, I don't see any other game for me on horizont. I think it's unreal in terms of graphic in mmorpg and some other aspects.

    BK is the brake point of this game for me.

    Let's wait and see what Fucom code for us.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    I think Spellborn is going to be my choice for a "skill" based MMO.

    I like the art direction better, we know for a fact that gear you wear means nothing but for looks, I've seen the videos of the game in action and real time dodging + skill wheel and stuff looks smooth and fast/fun.

    I dunno..

    AoC looks to have some great things going for it, and i'm definetly interested to try it out...

    But since this thread started from someone watching videos on Youtube,

    I'd say that based SOLEY on the videos I have seen, Spellborn will be a better / more skill based experience then AoC.

  • EuthorusEuthorus Member Posts: 491

    oh come on - you mean Back-Back-Forward-Forward-BABABAYO-O-O - EXCELLENT of AoC takes no skill ?

    FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !

  • ZeelotZeelot Member Posts: 126

    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC


    I can see the internet is filled with immature little boys and girls. I understand some of you must feel powerful on the internet since all you do is sit in front of your little computer screens while your life wastes away. Most of you are probably fat ass young kids or old nerds with absolutley no excitement to life besides video games.
    I was simply stating how excited I was about this game to come out. Take your negative comments and shove them up your ass.
    As for the comment on Warhammer... watch the damn RvR video that the developers put out... Absolute shit. Plz.... alll you 13 year old little girls can play Warhammer and have a good old time. Have fun.
    I'll be occasionally (not religiously like most of you pathetic little children) playing AoC and watching it surpass all other MMO's that have been created and I dont mean population wise I mean substance wise. Lets face it... no other game will ever have a population like WoW with 10 million + subscribers. Thats about impossible to beat especially since so many little kids play it as well as the older crowd.

    That warhammer video was a bot-video... it wasnt real players... it was a test... but whatever gets you excited ....

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