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Well there you have it. Nothing is better at closing my wallet then being called a WUSSIE! For more info read the EVE economy article. I admit it, I am not fond of PVP. In fact I avoid it like the plague. This avoidance means little in EVE and my frustraitions began the first time I left a warpgate only to be destroyed by another player. Yes I was in a high security zone and yes the Son of a Gunn pod killed me. I want to play a Sci Fi Space ship game so bad I can tast it but after loosing several ships to people who just want to be mean I am calling it quits. Eve is capable of giving players the choice to stay clear of PVP but they are choosing not to, I am not sure why but my feelings are pure lazyness and greed. Yes I said Greed, you have to pay people to make up content and EVEs lack there of is evedent.
Ok I am done venting. I am ready to hear your replies. Just remember I dont think less of the people that play the game because of the PVP or dispite it. I just feel the Developers are missing out on opening up a broader base of suscribers and I cant fathom WHY.
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I understand your concers but i do not think there is alot to be done.
The PvE element in Eve is not really deep enough if you absolutely close yourself of to PvP. Dont get me wrong, you can have enormous fun and can progress far in Eve without actively taking part in PvP through the market economy system. However, if you really want to excel is this field sooner or later your going to have to go through low security zones to get the best deals items etc, and for the majoity of the people who play Eve this IS the attraction of this game. If you know people to do this running for you then you could completely cut yourself off from the PvP part but this is the biggest part of the game. The wars between coorps etc make the market economy trading what it is. I really dont think Eve will attract many more subscribers pandering more to the PvE player, their success has come solely from the interation/wars between coorps, as well as the trading coorps that surround them (maybe joining a trading corporation is your best bet)
However, if you are relaying your stories truthfully it is a bit worrying how easy you can be destroyed in the high security zones.
Here here! I would love to play a PVE game like EVE. I am not into PVP but the thought of this game as a PVE game just excites the crap out of me. Why can they not open up a PVE server, add a little more content and thus increase thier revenues buy a substancial amout. I am sure there are a lot of people that would love to play a PVE version of this great game. Yes it is a great game, everything works as needed and it is very very fun to play.
Well I didnt say I was taken out easily. I did put up a fight but I must admit a big factor in my losses hadmuch to do with in experiance. the last ship I lost was a Tristan and It was loaded for mining and I had no idea about drones.
I guess I am more upset at being called a WUSSIE then anything else. It reminded me of Romero saying he was going to make me his BITCH with that illfated Doom Followup I cant remember the name of.
With that said, I do thank the game has amazing design (the ships blow me away) and the Game mechanics are solid (happy to not be twitching)
EVEs developers could limit the pvp very easily but they don't and not likely to because EVE is a designed from the ground up as a pvp game and follows the developers passions and concepts, not wishing to slander other game creators but most of them design a game that will attract sales or subscribers but CCP thought "hey lets make a really cool game and maybe people will like it"
Most of the content is pvp driven and very nearly all the end game content is for the corporation and alliance conflicts, manufacturing and industry is a huge part of the game as well but that isnt really PVE and is really a form of pvp as you are competing with other people.
But at the end of the day pvp is unavoidable in EVE, I know lots of people are going to post "yes it is blah blah" and tactically and the way you do things it is avoidable in that sense but it is unavoidable in the sense that you cant happily PVE and never enter combat with another player.
For people who never want to pvp I would firmly suggest avoiding EVE because sooner or later somebody is going to upset you by spanking your ship and EVE is a rubbish pve game anyway with repetitive and easy missions or monotonous ratting.
@Rubaki, Being killed in high sec space is fairly common and there are many ways for it to happen from the age old suicide gank to miner can flipping and baiting people by entering their mission and stealing their stuff and player corps can war dec other player corps and legally shoot and kill them in high sec space.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
If such a thing happened, it would be as if Trammel happened all over again.
Now I am as much of a "carebear" as they come (because I don't have the time and resources to be anything other) but the mingling of the two elements of PvP and PvE is what keeps 'em coming back for more. It offers a variety for all to take part in, when they want to.
Now its not impossible to play EVE and not experience PvP.
Stay within a NPC Corp.
Never go into space lower than .5 Security rating.
Those two aspects right there will keep you out of harms way nearly 100%. Even with EVE's current conception, there are various means to stay busy working within a PvE aspect ie. roleplaying / trade / production / mining / etc. I do agree with you, I would like to see them focus a bit more on adding more meaningful and interactive missions. They already have a great foundation, they just need to continue to build upon it.
I have lost quite a bit in my short time with EVE, but there just isn't a game out there that offers the freedom. Perhaps thats the reason why I haven't given up on EVE yet, there just isn't a better game out there for me.
"Now its not impossible to play EVE and not experience PvP"
Sorry mate but that's rubbish and that's the kind of thinking that ends up in some poor guy posting on a forum somewhere "some dudes attacked me in high sec and I lost everything I own!!" because they just spent every last ISK and sold all of their stuff to buy a hulk or something and got suicide ganked.
Always have your ship tanked and never count on being safe, the only safe place is docked inside a station. never go afk in space and avoid using autopilot. If you do any of those things be aware of the extra risks it brings. And being in a NPC corp doesn't guarantee safety it only prevents direct war declarations and you can be baited or tricked (somebody stealing your stuff in a mission and parading up and down smacking at you for example) and there are mechanics like the "lofty maneuver" which use gang war mechanics to make somebody a legitimate target.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
As Garkan said, CCP had an idea for a game, not an idea how to make money. If you havn't seen it, one of the CCP devs gave a presentation on what they had to go through to create CCP / EVE. It's pretty impressive.
Before I go on, I'll give a quote as it sums up CCPs thoughts towards EVE very well: "EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world."
In all honesty, I think they've been smart to stick to their 'niche' crowd, as they've been very successful with it. A lot of other MMOs have failed when they try to make something for everyone but please no one.
*sigh*, I see it alot in this game, the name calling, the outright hatred that some players for lower skill based players, and it sometimes sickens me.
Yes, I've been called a 'carebear', 'wuss', and the dreaded "NOOB" word. and it really pisses me off,
But, even so, in a way, after breaking the 50 mill SP mark just recently, I still I need to learn alot about the game, I've been podded several times myself. But, I carry on.
So, quitting only makes it worse, those certain players laugh and tell others how they made a player leave the game gets to me, and I forge ahead, hoping one day, I'll get at least one of them to quit, all because he wet himself, and went and cried in the corner all in the name of being called a "Noob" after losing his ship
the PVE in eve is just to make money and after go on PvP so dont expect many things, for PvE game u get EQ and so on
and the fact that players from NPC corps are not moved on faction warfare npc corp after some time is a problem because most of farmers are in npc corps and u cant make war dec
every time u die u make a favor to eve economy
about other server = lol
eve actually only work for TQ server, wee all know serenity failure
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At such a low level, you can replace your ship and mods q fast anyway, and being podded mostly means nothing unless you have a friend who sorted you with money and trained the relevant skill first.
Just keep local open above the other chat window, never autopilot as people have said. Mostly thought you will be safe in empire, but if you are still worried about your mining barge being taken out, head to a near empty empire system, and keep an eye on local for possible suicide gankers.
And never fly something you like and cannot yet afford to replace, even if it means flying a lesser ship for a while until you can replace the new one as many times as you feel happy with.
Concord provide Consequences (the guys who killed you in highsec all lost their ships) not safety, only you can do that. At the moment you undock you agree to every form of pvp. EVE-online is a pvp game, if you want to play it you have to adapt to the situations your facing and learn to defend yourself. No offense just a tip from my side^^.
Killed in hi-sec. I'm just not believing it unless your corporation was wardec'd, you were flying a fully loaded freighter with no tank on autopilot, or you fell for someone's bait tactics.
I've never come close to being killed in hi-sec, despite my corporation being wardec'd by privateers or someone like them constantly.
My alt who's been in a npc corp for most of his career has never been fired upon.
Calling you names wasn't right, but you learn to shrug it off and move forward. I've been podded a bunch o times (consequences of 0.0) and I don't even like to PVP all that much.
I still enjoy EVE though, due to the sheer rush of it all.
The other night I was flying point for my alt (who has 1/2 billion isk in implants) through a couple of low sec zones and I screwed up and led us both right into a pirate gate camp. Well, no reason to panic, we were both in fast, small ships with quick warp times, so we got away without a problem. But that wasn't a lucky accident, knowing where I was headed I one character in a stealth ship and the other in a shuttle.
Point being, you have to always play defensively in EVE. Heck, I've moved Ravens through 45 jumps of 0.0 solo w/o being stopped (nothing like 5 warp stabs, mwd and strong tank) to break right through gate camps.
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Honestly, i myself have never been podded or ganked in the hi sec zones i have seen others wiped out though. the most annoying thing is when people micro warp and bump my miner out of the way, easy to avoid right up until he called in a couple of friends with a cruiser. so I just warped to another belt. they didnt follow. one thing I constantly do is watch to see if someone jumps into my area and is flagged, I will immediately check on who they are. Fire a single shot at me and im gone so fast they dont know what hit em. of course most of them wont even waste time trying to take me out unless they are in a destroyer or cruiser. Good to have high shields and armor even with a frigate.
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OP...Don't play EvE. I never played EvE, and never wills.
FFA open PvP with a "twisted Perma-death"? Never.
Fact1: They lose income if you don't play their game.
Fact2: They want to get as much money(players) as possible. Make it clear why you don't play. Example, no PvP for me, and no PD.
Funny example: 1 of my friend plays EvE...and he was ganked by Concord in high sec zone! LOL. See, someone invite him to group, but that someone was at WAR with some folks. Cute girl, not insisting, he refuses...but then he changed his mind. Goes there, attacked by a gank squad, use AoE, hit the girl (you can hit your owns group apparently and...he isn't at war with her), Concord kills him...LOL. I don't even feel like explaining why this is silly and just another reason why I would never even consider this game unless there is a PvE server.
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Twisted permadeath?
You dont know a thing about eve. There is 0 permadeath.
If you get blown up, you do lose your ship and everything on it, but not your character.
If you get podded with out a clone you do lose a bit of one skill (which granted if its a high end skill could technically be a week or two of training) but you gotta be pretty daft to leave with out a clone.
As for CCP being in it solely for the money, thats not true. Granted they do want to make money, but they are holding to their guns on the pvp aspect. People have been asking for years for a pve only server or 100% safety in certain areas.
Time and time and time again its been shot down.
If you want that type of game, EvE is not for you. Removing pvp from EvE would kill it just like it killed UO.
Eve definitely isn't for the weak at heart. And, I mean that in the most non-insulting way possible. I used to hate FFA PvP or any PvP for that matter. Being a vet of MMOs, I would always try out PvP servers until I got ganked and then pretty much ran away with my tail between my legs.
When I first got into Eve, I almost did the same thing after my fifth straight death from gate-camping pirates in low sec. I started to get that "it's not fair" feeling in my gut but I knew Eve was hardcore and I had to learn not to take getting killed and, more importantly getting ganked, so personally. I don't mind getting kicked squarely in the balls time and time again if it makes me a better, smarter, leaner, faster player. And Eve has definitely done this to me.
Honestly, I do believe one can exist in Eve and 95% of the time stay out of PvP combat. The overblown Jihadswarm of late invading high sec space is completely overblown and I bet one hears more stories about such events happening as opposed to meeting actual players who have been ganked. Following a few simple rules and tips, one should be able to exist largely untouched in the vast universe of Eve. A simple rule is don't fly with anything you can't afford to replace. Follow this rule and losing ships become a non-issue.
I personally want the developers to keep Eve as is. There is no other MMO with such cut-throat and pure evil ganking like Eve. We need at least one game that satisfies this need. There is no other game like Eve with it's completely player-run economy. No other game has the kind of industrial crafting system that actually has an impact on the game. Believe me, if ganking was a real issue, the economy of Eve would suffer greatly.
The truth of the matter is that this kind of game play works for the majority of Eve players. The subscriber base keeps on growing and shows no signs of slowing down. I don't think the developer will suffer much if people quit because of game mechanics. Eve does not pretend to be an "every mans" game. This is a simple fact. Eve is as real as it gets and no other MMO compares. Just like the real world, there are some mean assholes who would not hesitate to cut you open if left alone with them in a dark alley. Eve is fantasy and it is to be expected that people want to explore their darker sides...and get in a good freaking laugh whenever they gank or pod kill somebody. Shit happens.
I could get mad at every time I've gotten ganked. But, I don't take it personally. I've made a small revenge list and will devote part of my Eve career hunting these people down. If you turn it into a game, getting ganked doesn't seem so bad.
As far as content. The players make up the content. Mission running is simply there for the non-PvP times. Eve is a PvP game. If you aren't fighting other players, you're either doing one of several specific tasks. Players think for themselves and are not led around by graphical menus disguised as "NPCs" with little exclamation marks on top of their heads ever-present to lead the carebear player by the hand. Been there, done that. Snorefest, indeed!
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Having servers options ADDS to the game. At worst, peoples ignore it. At best, more peoples come to the game and you evolves. UO is far from dead and they didn't add PvE servers last I check, they FORCE PvE on everyone. Not the same.
We agree, EvE isn't for me.
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Sorry mate, but looks like you are not aware of the dangers in highsec. You know yourself about freighters (btw: you cant fit a tank on a frighter, it's always "with not tank"). Last weeks there were campaigns by goonswarm "jihadswarm" to kill a lot of miners in highsec by suiciding ships, just for their malicious pleasure.
Few days ago i lost a faction fitted navy raven myself, heavy tank, t2 rig, faction invuls and concord didn't safe me, when 6 suicide-ravens ganked me at a gate in highsec, in order to get the items of my ship which survived. With the current insurance system it costs them like 15mil to lose a battelship, so its a profitable profession to hunt people with expensive gear in highsec. I lost somewhere 3.5 billion isk, but i think im already ok with that, knew there was the risk and have a lot of other good sources of income.
Just don't feel too secure in highsec, it's a new trend, enabled with overheat + torp-raven-boost + low ship-prices, that might cause quite a mess in near future in EvE.
Sorry you have no understanding of the game bro. Losing maybe a step down on your skill is not permadeath. Also, clones are EXTREMELY cheap.
In my 3 years in eve I died ONE TIME with out a clone, and it was cause I was watching tv. It took me 3 days to relearn barge 5....the clone to keep that from happening cost me 300,000. I make about 70 - 100 million an hour doing missions.
Permadeath implys that your character dies and is no longer playable. As in stays dead.... this is not how eve works at all.
"Having servers options ADDS to the game. At worst, peoples ignore it. At best, more peoples come to the game and you evolves. UO is far from dead and they didn't add PvE servers last I check, they FORCE PvE on everyone. Not the same."
Yes having options adds to the game, having restrictions does not. Removing pvp isnt an option, its a restriction.
Trammel and Feluca killed PvP in UO faster than anything. It also killed the economy. You only lost equipment when you died to monsters or you actually went to pvp land...which few did. My family and I canceled our 4 accounts shortly thereafter, along with thousands others.
In UO it would have been fine to open two server types. UO classic, and UO trammel feluca. (SP doesnt count). There are quite a few classic free shard servers running to this day with more people on them than live... whats that tell you?
In EVE there are ways to make sure your 90% safe. If you cant handle 10% risk, you might wish to reconsider leaving your house.
Sorry mate, but looks like you are not aware of the dangers in highsec. You know yourself about freighters (btw: you cant fit a tank on a frighter, it's always "with not tank"). Last weeks there were campaigns by goonswarm "jihadswarm" to kill a lot of miners in highsec by suiciding ships, just for their malicious pleasure.
Few days ago i lost a faction fitted navy raven myself, heavy tank, t2 rig, faction invuls and concord didn't safe me, when 6 suicide-ravens ganked me at a gate in highsec, in order to get the items of my ship which survived. With the current insurance system it costs them like 15mil to lose a battelship, so its a profitable profession to hunt people with expensive gear in highsec. I lost somewhere 3.5 billion isk, but i think im already ok with that, knew there was the risk and have a lot of other good sources of income.
Just don't feel too secure in highsec, it's a new trend, enabled with overheat + torp-raven-boost + low ship-prices, that might cause quite a mess in near future in EvE.
Were you afk at that gate in highsec? With warp to 0 its basically impossible to get ganked now unless your in something horrifically big and slow. Also suprised you werent able to tank 6 suicide ravens long enough for concord to clear them / warp out if your equip is as good as you claim.
Pyrostatis, they got me at a gate after i jumped through and was about to warp to my agent's station. Ofc. they had a warp disruptor on me, warping away was not possible. My tank had no holes, like if you fit only kinetik/thermal against guristas you have 0%em etc. No, i had 3 caldari navy invuls (66% on lowest resistance) and a gist x-type sb, this tank can tanks anything lvl4 missions have to offer and runs permanently, so one can't say it was a bad tank.
The point is, if you have 6 gank-fitted ravens, theres nothing that can survive for too long. The first volley is for free, criminal countdown starts after it. With the latest boost, you get an awsome damageoutput, especially if you overload. 6 siege launchers with navy torps, 2 blasters, 3 heavy drones and you easy get well over 1000dps with t1 gear. Take this times 6 (6 ravens) and theres nothing you cant bring down in 15-20 seconds (that's the time concord usually take to come in a 0.5). And again, it costs them less than 100mil to crash 6 bs, so if you fly a ship with fitting worth 500m+, it's only a matter of time till they will get you. The ship i lost, was my missionrunning-tool for 1.5 years, it were times i had gear worth 8bil on ot, nothing happened, but now, with only faction stuff it was killed - it's a new trend and it seems to get more and more popular, in particular in caldari highsec missionrunner hubs.
Guess its possible... I dont frequent caldari space anymore after swapping my ship type to Gallente so I rarely see this outside of hauler ganks.. However, I dont think this is a normal mass activity, and most folks who come here complaining about pvp usually dont have a 1.5 - 2 bil setup that makes it worth a 6 raven gank.
Does high sec ganking happen? Sure.
Is it an extremely small fraction of pvp happening on a daily basis? I believe so.
Could be wrong, but thats just my opinion from what I have seen in game.
I think there used to be alot of people that played only on the test server. I don't know if thats still an option but if you want left alone to play pve that could be it for you. everyone gets mad when they get ganked especially in hi security it really is rare that it happens.
Just wanted to clarify that.
Triumvirate has been killing empire missionrunners in officerfitted battleships lately. It's quite easy, the alpha from six torpravens is enough to break missionrunners, because they do not have a hitpoint buffer.
And as you do not need cap to fire the torps, you can fit heavy neutralizers and prevent active tanking completely.
They have been fairly succesfull, killing several marauders with a full officerfit that you normally only see on supercaps.
It is possible to kill someone in highsec, no matter what ship he is in.
And, in my eyes, is perfectly acceptable. Jihadswarm may just have been a quick boost to morale, but what tri does is one source of income. Flying an 8b battleship is insane, wish i had that much ready for pvp..
Just imagine how many carriers i could fit with all that money. I'd be able to win a war only by myself.
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