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what this game needs is a reduction in the monthly subscription fee .
yayitsandy
Member Posts: 363
in EVE Online
i m playing the 21 day steam demo and i m finding it to be a good game. its something i proberbly would subscribe to if it was more competitivly priced .
do you agree ?
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I don't agree. The prices are standard-prices..and someone has to pay for the servers, too.
One thing that makes it very "easy" to stay in EvE is the fact that you can pay for your subscription with in-game money - and that amount of money is trivial after a few months playing. Of course, this brings up the issue of how CCP is basically selling ISK to people through the GTC program, but that's a different debate.
Anyway, this allows people who choose so to have their gameplay pay for itself. It's actually possible to sustain quite a few accounts off of the earnings of one account.
A critique of this model is that EvE player count is artificially inflated. So many people have multiple accounts that the number of pilots online at a given time is not at all an indication of how many actual people are playing. This also allows people with a lot of real-life money to throw around to play the game without concern for risk if they choose, as they can just buy a bunch of GTCs, sell them for ISK, and carry on.
Bottom line: it's very easy to play EvE without ever using "real money." I bought a 90-day GTC after my trial for $39, and if I choose I won't ever have to hit the wallet again. Of course, using ISK still means you're trading some gameplay time for more gameplay time, but for people who find it easier to come up with ISK than dollars it's a good thing.
Thing is, that this isn't true.
Players can buy isk from players for real money by selling them gametime they bought earlier.
Players can buy gamtetime with isk.
CCP is not artificially creating isk, and you can't make money with the isk you have.
yes i realise they are standard but the truth is this games pretty old now . if you cut the sub by a third ( or even a half ) and doubled (or trebled )the number of players you had that would pay for the servers . i would certainly pay 7-8 dollars for this each month but would i pay 14.99 when the likes of conan warhammer and warcraft are about , no i certainly would nt . its good but a reduction in the fee would make it a lot more popular . alternativly maybe offer a two week sub for that price instead . as it stands i ll play the 21 days and wait till conans out . most of us only play one pay to play mmo a month .
great game though i just think with the competition thats out there thats around its something that could benefit from a reduction in its sub .they might even make more money .
no where is it written in stone that these games should all have the same subscrition fee .
That is pretty naive tbh.
Even if Eve scaled linear (which it does not), you would need double the servers to support double the players...
By the way, Eve does not age like normal mmos. It gets constant upgrades, both server and clientside. It is like wine, the older it gets, the better the "lore" becomes.
Just right now some new features are added (mainly the open fleet mode and a new overview plus bracket filtering), and with the next updates 3d avatars (walking on stations) and factional warfare are promised.
Thing is, that this isn't true.
Players can buy isk from players for real money by selling them gametime they bought earlier.
Players can buy gamtetime with isk.
CCP is not artificially creating isk, and you can't make money with the isk you have.
CCP are putting themselves in a middleman role for people who want to trade ISK for gametime. You buy a GTC from CCP, you trade it to another player for ISK. I did not mean to imply that they were artificially creating more ISK to sell.
What they've done is really rather clever, imo.
They are basically taking a bite out of the Gold Farmer market (though the Gold Farmer market still exists - as Chinese sweatshops sell ISK cheaper than it can be gained from GTC trading... carrying the risk of having all your ISK confiscated, of course), and doing so in a way that lets poor students and such play the game with no real money.
Yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw "EVE is getting to be an old game" was... "Uh.. really. Has anyone told it that? The game ages well, and has only gotten better with age. CCP can upgrade it to be modern for years to come, and the graphics update proved that it can be on par with current games and still not charge a single person for it.
Which is another thing.. yeah, they could lower the price. But it's worth it. You don't pay a dime for expansions, including -major- expansions like the Trinity upgrade. So the price is well balanced.
I'm sure every game would get more customers the cheaper they make the game, but more people doesn't necessarily mean more profit. Profit is what motivates people. Profit means more devs, better hardware, new offices, etc., etc. EvE is still gaining subscriptions at their current price, and have a flood of new people coming in from the new Steam deal, so why would they lower the price now?
You should also take into account that EvE never charges for expansions/content upgrades; subscription time is all you ever have to buy - and again, you can buy that with in-game money. Given that most MMOs have one or two expansions a year that cost $20-$40 (EvE has had three major expansions and one engine overhaul, I believe... though I am not sure), you have to shave those costs off of what it costs to play the game.
EvE is the only game like it, that alone is worth the admission price.
It would be nice if they dropped the subscription, but not necessary. The game is still growing subscriptions, so CCP really isn't faced with a declining population which sometimes results in subscription changes. Note also that once you get into the game and start rolling, your gameplay can actually pay for your subscription as mentioned previously. While I don't really agree with the concept overall, in EVE it works pretty well. What I find I do is I sell my isk for a timecard when I know I am not going to be online for an extended period of time. That way, I feel I pay for the time I play and in-game mechanics pay for the time I am away.
O thats right EvE Online is the Only Game there is on the planet who have a "Growing player base" over time.
EvE Online is also the highest priced mmo out in the market
I would say they shall raise the sub cost/fee instead.
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The original post has more holes in its logic than its total word count.
If you think Eve isn't worth the money, you either didn't understand Eve or you aren't getting paid enough.
I must admit that this sounds just like the 'This game should be free to play!' troll threads that tend to crop up in the suggestions forum from time to time.
What it boils down to is usually OP who wants to play the game, but doesn't wish to expend any of his own personal resources to pay for the maintainance of the game infrastructure. Usually, it also extends to OP who doesn't understand that bandwidth and servers aren't 'free', and that a game doesn't automatically start turning profit after its release.
CCP has been driving considerable resources into keeping EVE fresh and top-of-the-line. It is not, and will never be, a '5-year-old' game. Aging, for a game, requires lack of renewal, and five years ago, EVE wasn't a third of the game it is today.
"Would you call me an aged man-o-war, Doctor? Surprise isn't old. No-one would call her old. She's a bluff bow, lovely lines, she's a fine sea-bird. Weatherly, stiff, and fast. Very fast, if she's well handled. No, she's not old. She's in her prime." - Captain Jack Aubrey, Master and Commander
EVE isn't old. She's barely coming into her prime. The more time passes, greater the playerbase becomes, and more improvements CCP codes into her, the more magnificent game she'll become. She's well worth the price of a AAA+ MMO, and in future I can only see improvements in the way.
I don't understand the whole debate on the game being too expensive... the game itself is free all you have to do is pay for the subscription. Unlike most MMO's where you have to pay $40-$50 dollars for the box and then continue with the monthly fee after that first month.
However I guess in the bigger picture the game is expensive in the sense that the skill progression is slow, and it takes a decent amount of time to do much. Therefore resulting in longer subscription times. But then again, as said before... if you play your cards right you can get most of your game time for free by buying GTC's with ISK.
I could see the skill progression is long arguement if EVE was like Hellgate: London where once you get through the story of game you can effectively call it done. Since EVE is designed as a game to be played for a long time with the game opening up more and more the longer you play its a different story.
But besides that I see no reason why EVE should look at lowering its prices as long as it continues to expand and grow as a game with constant updates and additions. As was said before EVE's just hitting her prime.
Meh, imo these kind of useless threads are expected since they made that 21 days free trial offer on steam..
Well... i voted no.. ive ben in several online games and i dont think eve is expensive, although an cut in price wouldnt make me angry
Try swg as an example, and then you might think that eve is almost free
price cut will be inelastic, meaning making it less will not = more subs or enough subs compared to the price cut
It is a game that appeals to a certain type of MMO player, and it is hard to get into. What makes people think that a price cut means that hordes of new players will come in to make the cut worthwhile?
Also EVE is no where near its prime yet, even after ambulation, we have whole planets and planetary installations and maybe even player towns/combat. All free and all with a graphics engine that can be constantly upgraded.
EVE is more up-to-date, then most of the 0-day mmos coming out recently. I gladly keep paying that sub fee (errr even much more, I have 3 accounts = 45 EUR = $70.00), if they keep up the good work.
Oh just a sidenote:
Sub fee has another good feature. It filters out most of the underage kids.