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Windows - XP vs Vista?
Aryas
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Hi
I've got a laptop with the following spec:
- 2.3GHz dual core Intel thing
- 2GB RAM (662Hz or whatever)
- 512MB graphics card (GeForce GO 7950 GTX)
I bought it with Windows Vista and I ain't impressed at all. I'm seriously tempted to install XP instead so my question is:
Will I get a better AoC gaming experience with XP, or should I stick with Vista?
Thanks,
Aryas
Playing: Ableton Live 8
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i got a new pc with vista in it hated vista at the start to many bugs with games i had or got but the dx10 made me keep vista couse i played hellgate london on dx9 looked great then they patched and vista got patched and got more stable and then i ran hellgate on dx10 and OMG never though it would be a big change but the game looked ten times better the metal is just nicer more shine just every thing looks so much better so till they can run dx10 on xp and i dont think they will be enver know i would keep vista its worth it if you love eye candy couse i do
I'm running vista at work for office apps and normal stuff and I'm pretty close to reinstalling my computer with XP. Vista just isn't as rock solid as XP for me and it seems like initial reviews of SP1 are not very encouraging... If it can't run the desktop and office apps I shutter to think what it will be like running games...
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With your rig, I would go to XP. I have Vista and the DX10 is nice, but it is also a hog on resources. Your rig is not strong enough to warrant using Vista for AoC. I would install XP.
but, why don't you try it out first and then decide?? I also agree with the poster below...add another gig of RAM, if you can.
I too only have 2 gig of ram, Vista will run a lot better with at least 3 gig.
I saw the difference between DX9 and DX10 with Lord of the Rings.
DX10 is hands down the better looking and performing of the two.
I believe that the DX10 version is going to be the "native" version of AoC, the game is being developed for DX10 but of course including DX9 support as a backwards compatability.
That being said, it sounds like DX10 version on Vista is going to be the "premiere" AoC experience.
i own 3 machines (only 1 is decent) and 2 have XP. i am constantly going from XP to Vista and i see no problems at all with either system. Vista has quite a bit more features than XP but i hardly use them. i got Vista just for this game in mind and so far all it has done is given my some sweet things to look at in my DX10 games. The computer that is is loaded up on is what i love. its got quad core, 2gb of Ram (got another 2 sticks sitting in a box somewhere) and a 512mb graphics card.
i suggest keeping Vista. get used to it and wait for the updates to fix the problems.
DX10 is really nice for those who enjoy graphics
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Vista is where it's at for gaming. Honestly, you're wasting your time if you go back to XP. It's going to be obsolete pretty soon anyway, as more DX10 games come out.
Vista is extremely stable in the 32 bit version. I've had no troubles running any new games, and countless old games as well. Come to think of it, Vista has been a dream as far as stabilty goes. Many people are running the 64 bit version of Vista expecting it to be just another upgrade, thinking they can run old programs and stuff, only to find they can't. Noobs who don't know any better :P
Trash XP. It's old News.
Go with Vista 32 right now.
Move to Vista 64 in a year or so when compatibility is better.
Thanks loads for all your responses! I'm gonna try it with Vista and see how it runs.
Eitherway, Office 2007 is in the bin, lol!
I know this might sound a bit thick, but can't you install DX10 on XP?
Cheers,
Aryas
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This old news will stay.
Not really since you can't use DX10. In my case I found Vista more stable than XP but I have GTS8800 with Quad core processor and 4gig memory. Most likely gaming experience is same on XP and Vista.
XP 64 is nice an stable and so is dx9
Am running Vista 64bit home premium without a single flaw at the moment dx10 rocks
Vista is crap. But you're not helping your self by only having 2gig RAM. Vista is such a RAM hog and poorly designed that you need 4Gig RAM just to get back to where you'd be with XP.
You will see far better performance with XP with those specs.
I wouldn't go the Vista route for at least another year its just not ready and the driver situation is another nail the coffin.
Not only that but your Graphics card isnt a DX10 card so theres absolutely no point going Vista with that set-up only downsides no upsides.
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You will see far better performance with XP with those specs.
I wouldn't go the Vista route for at least another year its just not ready and the driver situation is another nail the coffin.
I have 2gb of ram on my XP machine, 2gb on my Vista machine and 4gb on another Vista machine.
The 2gb XP runs substantially slower than the 2gb Vista machine, and the 4gb Vista doesn't show any noticable performance improvement over the 2gb machine. Unless you're running like 100,000 processes at once, 2gb is more than enough for any application or games that are out now. I can run Crysis on both Vista machines on very high settings and neither has any beef on the other. Any normal gamer will never find something on the market right now that their 2gb can't handle.
But ram is so cheap nowadays, it really doesn't hurt to buy the extra 2gb. Just remember than 32 bit XP or Vista only supports 4gb of ram. And with the way that cpu devices memory map things, you will only see anywhere from 2 to 3.5gb of ram visible. If you want to fully utilize 4gb of ram you MUST buy Vista 64.
Is vista64 any more problematic than vista32?
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Technically speaking Vista 64 is more stable than VIsta 32...
But in reality, most software and hardware companies haven't jumped on the bandwagon to 64 bit, so most drivers and software packages are only halfway compatible or not compatible at all with 64 bit Vista.
So no, VIsta 64 isn't really more stable, because a lot of things don't work for it yet. There's not much backwards compatibility with Vista 64.
If you have old games, applications, and hardware that you want to use with VIsta 64, don't even consider it. If you're fine with scrapping your old stuff and only using new and up and coming software and games, (or you just really want 4gb or more ram on your system
) then Vista 64 might be right for you.
Will I get a better AoC gaming experience with XP, or should I stick with Vista?
As i konw, Vista will take more RAM than XP, so i think if you use XP ,you will get a better AoC effect.
You will see far better performance with XP with those specs.
I wouldn't go the Vista route for at least another year its just not ready and the driver situation is another nail the coffin.
I have 2gb of ram on my XP machine, 2gb on my Vista machine and 4gb on another Vista machine.
The 2gb XP runs substantially slower than the 2gb Vista machine, and the 4gb Vista doesn't show any noticable performance improvement over the 2gb machine. Unless you're running like 100,000 processes at once, 2gb is more than enough for any application or games that are out now. I can run Crysis on both Vista machines on very high settings and neither has any beef on the other. Any normal gamer will never find something on the market right now that their 2gb can't handle.
But ram is so cheap nowadays, it really doesn't hurt to buy the extra 2gb. Just remember than 32 bit XP or Vista only supports 4gb of ram. And with the way that cpu devices memory map things, you will only see anywhere from 2 to 3.5gb of ram visible. If you want to fully utilize 4gb of ram you MUST buy Vista 64.
I just switched back to XP from Vista and it's like night and day.My computer boots up literally 2x faster, and lots of driver issues I had on vista are gone. My hard drive was constantly being accessed in Vista and the sound was off in games. Until they can get software support I'm not going back, plus wiht a nice vista skin you get all the new vista stuff on xp w/o crappy performance.
My specs just so you can't say my computer can't run vista
c2d e6400 @ 3.2ghz
2 gigs ram
8800gts
Bottom line here is. Unless you're really good with troubleshooting, don't even give yourself a headache with Vista. If you aren't super-literate with computers, stick with either XP or upgrade to Vista 32bit, 64bit is pretty much in beta.
It has taken me the better part of a week to stabilize my Vista64 rig, and that's only because I'm pretty savvy with how things work. No doubt AoC will run better with more RAM and Dx10, but at what cost? Give it a year and pick up Vista Ultimate with Service Pack 2. Only then will you get an OS that isn't in beta.
If you upgrade.. Good luck.
Use XP for your current system.
I'm satisfied with XP Pro 64bit Edition. I can upgrade beyond 2 Gigs of RAM when this gaming rig arms race demands it.
When the must-have-game requires DX10, then I will upgrade, unless someone manages to reverse engineer a DX-10 driver for XP 64 bit edition by that time. Sometimes where there is a need, someone rises to the challenge. Another thought, by then, alot of Vistas problems will have been fixed with service packs.
I don't believe that we had a game build from the ground up with directX 10 in mind (shader 4). All the games out there that are "directX 10" able are primarily directX 9.0c (shader 3) with only a handful of functions supported on the directX 10 side.
LOTRO is a prime example of this. I believe that AoC is following the exact same path as LOTRO in terms of directX 10 support.
It's kind of hard to tell if a game would be better in directX 10 or 9 since none is designed as primarily shader 4 and then ported to shader 3. It doesn't make financial sense so developers don't do it yet.
As for which operating system is better, both are great, but it also depends on the hardware they run. If I had to pick from the various versions I'd go for XP Pro 32bit or Vista 64bit. The other ones don't make much sense to me.
Thats complete and udder BS. I've installed and played games dating back to 1997 on my Vista Ultimate 64-bit machine and not one game gave me any trouble. They all have worked just fine for me!
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I am using Vista 64 over a year now and I am pretty satisfied, initially there was a lack of decent drivers, but thats always the trouble with new version of OS, by now its basically a non issue. Apart from the fact that I had to reactivate it 5 or 6 times already because it deactivates most of the time when I change HW pieces or reinstall it, I'm enjoying using it and encountered no noticeable performance issues (I have useless stuff like Aero etc turned off though).
There is always an outcry when new Windows comes out, people cursing it just for the sake of it usualy. I remember exactly the same thing that happened with Vista happening with XP, driver issues, some compatibility issues, people crying and swearing by Win 95/98, etc. Heck I remember even greater fuss about DOS/Win95 switch, people not able to digest GUI OS and whining. Grow up tbh, its progress. Anyone suggesting going back from Vista to XP, wake up and check the calendar date.
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There is a really great article at ExtremeTech.com about this exact issue. You can easily find it in Google as well, just type in Vista Gaming, it's the very top article.
A guy goes through 25 of the most popular games using Vista Ultimate. He lets you know exactly what build he is using and it is NOT a high end gaming rig. Pretty low actually. He tells you exactly what problems happen, shows you screen shots of every error message, and explains how to fix them.
The article has pretty much convinced me that Vista will be the gaming OS of the future. You don't "need" it right now, but it's a good investment for the future.
If you have an XP system that is working fine, I think upgrading is a waste of money. Give it a year when service pack 2 comes out and more DX10 games are out and Vista will be almost a requirement for the really good eye candy.
Just my 2 cents for what they are worth.
right now i would say just stay at XP. wait till vista x64 has more compatibility, although my vista 64bit seems to be running great. i can understand where others are coming from though. Vista 32 just seems like a waste uses more resources and you are still choked off at 3.5 gb of ram.