WOW is a fantastic game but after a while - just like anything else in life - it is going ot loose its appeal to anyone.
What MMOGs do is tickle our egos - we play to be better than other people - and so once you have invested time into a character you dont want to throw it away.
I think any vaguely decent MMOG can hold peoples attention for a couple of years if you are new to genre. I think a lot of people forget that WOW is not and never was just a mmog for mmo virgins. A lot of the original players came from other mmogs and plenty of them have stuck around because it is a polished game.
There is only so much the genre can deliver at the moment and people who have played WOW for a fair while and competed with the best, been amoungst the first to achieve something etc cant be kept interested beyond logging on to play with friends. Newer players entering the game have a totally different experience because everything is that much easier t oachieve in a mature mmog than it is in a new one and advancement takes far less skill/dedication.
WOW is over managed and policed and sooner or later every player realises they are being treated like sheep because rewards and achievements are soon downgraded to keep more people playing longer.
Expansions are really the only things that keep certain types of players coming back. Adding new dugeons via patches only really serves the hardcore raiders and over rewards newer players that happen to have the time/connections to catapult themselves way ahead of where they logically should be.
With the availability of gold /game currency for $$ the spirit of mmog are greatly diminished but those aspects are unlikely to go away.
A lot of mmogs that didnt lay everthing on a plate for players innevitably suffer when a game like wow comes along becasue most players are too lazy/inept/dumb to bother to learn to play a game, to develop genuine skills and once its all been laid on a plate in a a polished game like wow few people are prepared to spend a lot of time learning to play a mature mmog thats new to them becasue there is little incentive to do so.
New games hype themselves up to get subscribers and unfortunately few if any of the newwer releases can live up to established games like wow and EQ becasue they are just not different enough or polished enough. Warhammer is going to have a hard job of doing much better than the likes of lotro but I for one will give it a chance. If I do jump ship permanently I wont be slagging off wow or my first mainsteam mmorpg becasue they have both been great to play at different times.
Abd if you think wow is full of poor mmogers wait till you log on warhammer in the first few days and weeks - it will be heaving with them as well as experienced/intelligent/self sufficeint high achievement orientated players - and it will interesting to see how long it is before the game developers start pandering to the lazy inept masses in the same way Bliz has pandered to them in order to keep the $$ rolling in.
I dont know, why lots of people call wow "polished". There is just nothing in wow, that could be broken. blizzard didnt want to make faults, so they didnt put lots of things into the game. I dont like it at all, I prefer MMORPGs
Blizzard did something wright when they made WoW. Yes it has 10 million players, and yes it is at the top. I think someone else said it once already, This is all personal opinion of the game and other games. Ive played wow before. Only reason why i didn't like it because of all the little kids trash talking over the game. Still, this is all a personal view of the game and other games we play.
its obvious u havent played any other games..if u did u would know how games like ff1 and eq2 are far superior to wow
actually ff i always wanted to try but heard it was "too late to be a newbie".
Plus friends were not into the theme :P
But I respect it honestly, played the beta on xbox360
hmmm, well a really nice feature of eq2 is that it is never too late for someone new, if yer not a jerk (the community in eq2 seems to ignore jerks and people with bad attitudes) and get into a guild of dedicated players any member above your level can become a lower level via the mentoring system and group up and help you.
I played WoW since it first came out and I'm about as burned out on it as you can get. I've been trying some other MMOs but WoW just makes everything else seem really crappy. Everything in Wow was done so well, on top of that it has such a huge support system setup with websites and shit. I play a game and the movement suck, its clunky and awkward. The maps suck, the Interface is terrible, or whatever.
Its a shame because I like MMOs and I loved play diffrent kinds before WoW but now...I just don't know.
The times are not that bad as you describe them. If you consider only mainstream MMORPGs then here are a few ideas what you may like.
If you don't like so strong focus on items, but more on story - LOTRO.
If you dislike the WoW easiness and the crappy combat, and want to lost polishness a bit replaced by bigger world, and better combat/crafting then you may try Vanguard.
I would not recommened EQ2 at all. It has average combat, but very very boring world (zones are terribly linear even more than in WoW, with a few exits connected to other zones)
If you want something completely different you may try DDonline or Tabula Rasa. Both have pseudo FPS combat system. DDo is fantasy focused on grouping and Tabula Rasa is sci-fi with a bit of everything.
And then there are sandbox games (EVE online, Ultima) but let's be honest, it's probably the exact opposite of MMO genre from WoW. So I wouldn't recommened that either for an ex-wow player.
It wants to be a FPS but fails. It wants to be a MMORPG and also fails.
The FPS aspects is pretty bad compared to the *real* FPS. The setting is not bad for a sci-fi MMORPG but the polished, content and gameplay is just not there.
I actually would recommend Eve. If you have already played WOW, you may as well play something very different. I have tried Eve for 14 days and I am seriously considering making it my second MMO. The only reason i haven't is that I still haven't "finished" WOW (my main is only 68 with a 20 alt) and I certainly will after I exhaust the content on WOW during the wait for WOTLK.
I played WoW from launch and then quit in late summer 2006. after a lot of raiding to the highest level.
Took me until a few months ago to stomach an MMO again, now into EVE, at the other end of the spectrum from WoW, and just as well presented, but far more complex and immersive. You played a game and a genre type too much and got burnout, you will probably be back in the genre again just depends on time.
its obvious u havent played any other games..if u did u would know how games like ff1 and eq2 are far superior to wow
I have played EQ1 and EQ2, and they suck beyond belief compared to WoW! Your opinion is not backed at all, show me the players! The players have spoken, 10 million strong we shout you down! WoW rules them all!
EQ1 blows WoW out of the water. WoW everything was handed to you, you dont even have to think to play the game. Everything is spelled out and it makes playing useless. I played WoW for 2 years and I quit because I was bored, there was nothing to do, nothing new, nothing exciting. I played EQ1 for over 5 years and I quit due to RL issues limiting my playing time, which lead me to WoW, go figure. In my 5 years in EQ1 I never got bored, there was always something new to explorer or try, always something exciting to do. EQ1 has a huge huge world compared to WoWs world. In 5 years of playing EQ1, I still have not seen everything that games has to offer. In 2 years of WoW, I have seen every place in WoW, I have fought every mob in WoW.
Eq is not dead. It has alot less players but its not dead, I dont play but I know many that still do.
death penalties are one of the reasons why EQ1 is better then WoW. Why do you want to play a game with no death penalties, why not just turn on GoD mode and play? Were is the challage? The fear? The heart and soul of the game? WoW is missing the heart and soul of a MMORPG.
Sorry but I dnt think you ever played EQ1. EQ1 and others before it started MMO's and if anything WoW is trying to kill it by including all these players that dont want to think, they want everything spelled out, no thinking required.
Why play a game that requires no thinking? It makes no sense.
I play games to have fun, I have fun playing games because they make me think, they make me use my problem solving skills.
its obvious u havent played any other games..if u did u would know how games like ff1 and eq2 are far superior to wow
I have played EQ1 and EQ2, and they suck beyond belief compared to WoW! Your opinion is not backed at all, show me the players! The players have spoken, 10 million strong we shout you down! WoW rules them all!
EQ1 blows WoW out of the water. WoW everything was handed to you, you dont even have to think to play the game. Everything is spelled out and it makes playing useless. I played WoW for 2 years and I quit because I was bored, there was nothing to do, nothing new, nothing exciting. I played EQ1 for over 5 years and I quit due to RL issues limiting my playing time, which lead me to WoW, go figure. In my 5 years in EQ1 I never got bored, there was always something new to explorer or try, always something exciting to do. EQ1 has a huge huge world compared to WoWs world. In 5 years of playing EQ1, I still have not seen everything that games has to offer. In 2 years of WoW, I have seen every place in WoW, I have fought every mob in WoW.
Eq is not dead. It has alot less players but its not dead, I dont play but I know many that still do.
death penalties are one of the reasons why EQ1 is better then WoW. Why do you want to play a game with no death penalties, why not just turn on GoD mode and play? Were is the challage? The fear? The heart and soul of the game? WoW is missing the heart and soul of a MMORPG.
Sorry but I dnt think you ever played EQ1. EQ1 and others before it started MMO's and if anything WoW is trying to kill it by including all these players that dont want to think, they want everything spelled out, no thinking required.
Why play a game that requires no thinking? It makes no sense.
I play games to have fun, I have fun playing games because they make me think, they make me use my problem solving skills.
hey hey don't bash games that don't have thinking. some times simple puzzle games are the best.
hex for instance or tetris. that's why games like that have 10 million people player, becuase they simple and dumbed down. I personaly enjoyed wow for abut... a year I guess. because it was jsut that, fun. fun to you might not be wow but it is if nothing else a fun game. but it's not very deep. It's deep don't get me wrong wow fanboys, but it's not like EQ, EQ ia like EvE in a way, they are both the kinds of games that if you were to say watch a tournyment fight, like the one eve just had, it wouldn't be exsiting unless you knew what you were watching.
for those that know the depth is staggering howmany things are happening at once to determine the winner of the match.
but the same could be said for wow. but maybe wow has more appeal, which is rule one of art.
which both EQ and eve have just in different ways. for instance for a sci-fi junkie like me eve's look apeals beyond reason. and for fantast arcard gamers you beat wow. it just looks like what it should.
Well eve sucks EQ sucks WoW sucks it's all the same opinion and hard facts. each game has peal in different ways and each game is a differwent game. it's up to you to decide what apeals the most and wow happens to have mass apeal making games like EQ not as apealing to peopel that have played wow.
you have no idea how maybe times new players bitch about losing everyhting when you die in eve because they played wow frist.
I guess I could agree with the OP but for different reasons.
I don't like level, class, uber loot based games.
Ultima Online (the first few years) was the best MMO "for me" that has ever come out. SWG was close until it was changed.
The reason WoW ruined MMO's for me... is now everyone wants to cash in on success. The corporate ideal on how to do that.. is to use what is "known to work". So that just means everyone will keep trying to make the next WoW.
I really wish someone would come over to my Niche market.. and make me another "skill based" game.
Like it or hate it, WoW is the Babe Ruth of MMOs. Before WoW came around, great subscriber numbers were High 100ks to low millions. Now, any game without millions of subs is "dying" (if you listen to forums at least).
Much like Ruth did with baseball, WoW added a fast,simple and exciting thing that drew the masses (Ruth homeruns to drive up scores, WoW quick and simple gaming ). Word of mouth got around and that's what people want and expect from games.
Someday, there may be a Hank Aaron-ish MMO that passes WoW (can't figure out what MMO steroids would be, so I'll leave Barry Bonds out of it). Or, it will be like AD&D, the classic of the genre, with none ever approaching as far as popularity.
Love it or loath it, at least there is an MMO that has regular TV commercials.
For the haters, just think of it as MMO kindergarten, eventually many players graduate and go on to "better" games.
I played WoW since it first came out and I'm about as burned out on it as you can get. I've been trying some other MMOs but WoW just makes everything else seem really crappy. Everything in Wow was done so well, on top of that it has such a huge support system setup with websites and shit. I play a game and the movement suck, its clunky and awkward. The maps suck, the Interface is terrible, or whatever.
Its a shame because I like MMOs and I loved play diffrent kinds before WoW but now...I just don't know.
You just need to approach new games with your eyes open. WoW had more content and polish at launch than most MMO's do 2 years down the line. + it was the first to welcome mods and add-ons and we may never see that again.
There's atleast 3 games coming this year that I have my eye on: Warhammer, Age of Conan and Jumpgate. Although none of them are WoW replacements, they will be good games in their own right. It will just take time for them to flesh out the content. Out of those 3, Warhammer has the best chance of capturing some of the humour and character that WoW had.
_________________________________________ You can walk the walk but can you talk the talk?
World of Warcraft is the Walmart of MMO's. Everyone knows about Walmart, most everyone goes there, its easily accessed, cheap design, cheap concepts, but pretty much works for everyone.
However, if you want anything complex, if you want better food or better clothing, you arent going to go to Walmart.
Walm . . . I mean Warcraft, was made for the family user, the strumpet of MMO's. Any 6 year old can sit down and play his Neo Pet. . . I mean Avatar. Plus, any third world calculor can run the game, so they've basically just created a digital Walmart.
My Promise to you:
Go to your local Walmart, you'll find a retard.
Log on to WoW, you'll find a retard in the same if not less amount of time.
(McDonalds is good at what they do and thats sell junk food just as wow is good at what it does sell an mmo, comparing the two is stupid.)
No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
(McDonalds is good at what they do and thats sell junk food just as wow is good at what it does sell an mmo, comparing the two is stupid.)
No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
It's a poor analogy for the following reasons:
WoW is no cheaper than other MMOs.
The game was not rushed out nor was it released too early like many MMORPGs.
The game is generally less buggy than the majority of MMOs.
The game has the highest critical review scores for any MMO to date.
It appears on more top 100 PC game lists than any other MMO, and most other PC games.
Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds. It doesn't work that way.
Like I said, it's a poor analogy given by those people who haven't thought about it very well.
I mean, if we'd have to continue this poorly thought out analogy, we'd have to say that Eve online was burger king, Everquest 2 was a hot-dog stand, Vanguard was a greasy spoon that sold under-cooked food, Lord of The Rings was Taco Bell, Asheron's Call was Wimpy, Ultima Online is a sandwich shop.
People just use this analogy to have a cheap dig at WoW. If anything, this analogy is the fast-food of analogies, ready made for people who can't cook for themselves - a metaphor - hopefully you will know what I am really saying here
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
so far till now, wow is the only mmorpg game i ever played. myself burned on it for a really long time and even can't get out of it as long as i was awake!
sometimes my friends said i was going insane in mind with the game. fortunately, i quit now and start to work to make myself busy, and i found there are much more things more important than the game in our life... i don't wanna to lose them anymore
Hear me out, while I do understand where you're coming from because I my self was pretty addicted to wow at one point (mabye not as much as you) but I have to tell you mate, just like I have told one of my RL friends who was in the same shoes as you. It is entirely your fault for not setting rules, and limiting your self to what you do. I am not trying to come and look like an ass but theres alot of addictive things out there in the world, and if you don't have control over them you can easily have the same thing happen to you.
I am sorry MMOs are addictive but before you get into one, any MMO you need to set rules, otherwise you could loose your job, your wife and perhaps your family to a world that doesn't exist, its just a game and nothing more, you just need to remind your self of that, it has worked for me I think it would work for anyone who tries.
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(McDonalds is good at what they do and thats sell junk food just as wow is good at what it does sell an mmo, comparing the two is stupid.)
No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
It's a *viable* analogy for the following reasons:
WoW *PROBABLY COSTS MORE* than other MMOs and you get less for more money.
The game was *rushed out and released too early like many MMORPGs BUT FIXED LATER ON*
The game is * has bugs + exploits that get you serious punishment UNLIKE the the majority of MMOs.*
Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds. It doesn't work that way. -> Popularity != Quality actually that's why it doesn't mean it's good cause it appears on lists or high critical reviews (which are biased anyways)
Like I said, it's a *viable analogy given by those people who have thought about it very well, played pretty much everything else and are old enough in the genre*
There I fixed it for you...
And I do cook myself foods from over 5 different countries... ;D
WoW is a very very good MMO to begin with but if you're someone with a decent IQ and knowledge of when you're being fooled & milked at some point you have to move on...
(McDonalds is good at what they do and thats sell junk food just as wow is good at what it does sell an mmo, comparing the two is stupid.)
No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
It's a *viable* analogy for the following reasons:
WoW *PROBABLY COSTS MORE* than other MMOs and you get less for more money.
The game was *rushed out and released too early like many MMORPGs BUT FIXED LATER ON*
The game is * has bugs + exploits that get you serious punishment UNLIKE the the majority of MMOs.*
Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds. It doesn't work that way. -> Popularity != Quality actually that's why it doesn't mean it's good cause it appears on lists or high critical reviews (which are biased anyways)
Like I said, it's a *viable analogy given by those people who have thought about it very well, played pretty much everything else and are old enough in the genre*
There I fixed it for you...
And I do cook myself foods from over 5 different countries... ;D
WoW is a very very good MMO to begin with but if you're someone with a decent IQ and knowledge of when you're being fooled & milked at some point you have to move on...
That's my 2 cents of the Euro
All the top quality MMORPGs that are valid to compare to WoW have similar price tag. Everquests / Eves/ CoXs etc etc. Saying it "PROBABLY COSTS MORE", does nothing to serve as an analogy to McDonalds which is cheap fast food. By saying it's more expensive you're making my point. Your issue that
WoW was certainly not rushed out before it was ready. It had population issues because it was so popular, but the client has always been good. Compare that to efforts such as Everquest 2 and Vanguard whose launches were considered poor and only became 'good' after a long while.
You claim that critical reviews are 'biased', hmm? Biased to what, to WoW? Critical reviews are biased to Blizzard? HOW are they biassed? How are hundreds of review publications ALL biased?
Your inferrence that enjoying WoW over other MMORPGs equates to a low IQ and knowledge of MMOs is absurd and you're just trolling now. Just cheap digs at a game you don't like.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
its obvious u havent played any other games..if u did u would know how games like ff1 and eq2 are far superior to wow
I have played EQ1 and EQ2, and they suck beyond belief compared to WoW! Your opinion is not backed at all, show me the players! The players have spoken, 10 million strong we shout you down! WoW rules them all!
EQ1 blows WoW out of the water. WoW everything was handed to you, you dont even have to think to play the game. Everything is spelled out and it makes playing useless. I played WoW for 2 years and I quit because I was bored, there was nothing to do, nothing new, nothing exciting. I played EQ1 for over 5 years and I quit due to RL issues limiting my playing time, which lead me to WoW, go figure. In my 5 years in EQ1 I never got bored, there was always something new to explorer or try, always something exciting to do. EQ1 has a huge huge world compared to WoWs world. In 5 years of playing EQ1, I still have not seen everything that games has to offer. In 2 years of WoW, I have seen every place in WoW, I have fought every mob in WoW.
Eq is not dead. It has alot less players but its not dead, I dont play but I know many that still do.
death penalties are one of the reasons why EQ1 is better then WoW. Why do you want to play a game with no death penalties, why not just turn on GoD mode and play? Were is the challage? The fear? The heart and soul of the game? WoW is missing the heart and soul of a MMORPG.
Sorry but I dnt think you ever played EQ1. EQ1 and others before it started MMO's and if anything WoW is trying to kill it by including all these players that dont want to think, they want everything spelled out, no thinking required.
Why play a game that requires no thinking? It makes no sense.
I play games to have fun, I have fun playing games because they make me think, they make me use my problem solving skills.
Have you seen the 'penalties' for death in EQ1 now? Your whole argument is based on EQ1 several years ago.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
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WOW is a fantastic game but after a while - just like anything else in life - it is going ot loose its appeal to anyone.
What MMOGs do is tickle our egos - we play to be better than other people - and so once you have invested time into a character you dont want to throw it away.
I think any vaguely decent MMOG can hold peoples attention for a couple of years if you are new to genre. I think a lot of people forget that WOW is not and never was just a mmog for mmo virgins. A lot of the original players came from other mmogs and plenty of them have stuck around because it is a polished game.
There is only so much the genre can deliver at the moment and people who have played WOW for a fair while and competed with the best, been amoungst the first to achieve something etc cant be kept interested beyond logging on to play with friends. Newer players entering the game have a totally different experience because everything is that much easier t oachieve in a mature mmog than it is in a new one and advancement takes far less skill/dedication.
WOW is over managed and policed and sooner or later every player realises they are being treated like sheep because rewards and achievements are soon downgraded to keep more people playing longer.
Expansions are really the only things that keep certain types of players coming back. Adding new dugeons via patches only really serves the hardcore raiders and over rewards newer players that happen to have the time/connections to catapult themselves way ahead of where they logically should be.
With the availability of gold /game currency for $$ the spirit of mmog are greatly diminished but those aspects are unlikely to go away.
A lot of mmogs that didnt lay everthing on a plate for players innevitably suffer when a game like wow comes along becasue most players are too lazy/inept/dumb to bother to learn to play a game, to develop genuine skills and once its all been laid on a plate in a a polished game like wow few people are prepared to spend a lot of time learning to play a mature mmog thats new to them becasue there is little incentive to do so.
New games hype themselves up to get subscribers and unfortunately few if any of the newwer releases can live up to established games like wow and EQ becasue they are just not different enough or polished enough. Warhammer is going to have a hard job of doing much better than the likes of lotro but I for one will give it a chance. If I do jump ship permanently I wont be slagging off wow or my first mainsteam mmorpg becasue they have both been great to play at different times.
Abd if you think wow is full of poor mmogers wait till you log on warhammer in the first few days and weeks - it will be heaving with them as well as experienced/intelligent/self sufficeint high achievement orientated players - and it will interesting to see how long it is before the game developers start pandering to the lazy inept masses in the same way Bliz has pandered to them in order to keep the $$ rolling in.
Caveat Emptor
I dont know, why lots of people call wow "polished". There is just nothing in wow, that could be broken. blizzard didnt want to make faults, so they didnt put lots of things into the game. I dont like it at all, I prefer MMORPGs
Blizzard did something wright when they made WoW. Yes it has 10 million players, and yes it is at the top. I think someone else said it once already, This is all personal opinion of the game and other games. Ive played wow before. Only reason why i didn't like it because of all the little kids trash talking over the game. Still, this is all a personal view of the game and other games we play.
actually ff i always wanted to try but heard it was "too late to be a newbie".
Plus friends were not into the theme :P
But I respect it honestly, played the beta on xbox360
hmmm, well a really nice feature of eq2 is that it is never too late for someone new, if yer not a jerk (the community in eq2 seems to ignore jerks and people with bad attitudes) and get into a guild of dedicated players any member above your level can become a lower level via the mentoring system and group up and help you.
playing eq2 and two worlds
The times are not that bad as you describe them. If you consider only mainstream MMORPGs then here are a few ideas what you may like.
If you don't like so strong focus on items, but more on story - LOTRO.
If you dislike the WoW easiness and the crappy combat, and want to lost polishness a bit replaced by bigger world, and better combat/crafting then you may try Vanguard.
I would not recommened EQ2 at all. It has average combat, but very very boring world (zones are terribly linear even more than in WoW, with a few exits connected to other zones)
If you want something completely different you may try DDonline or Tabula Rasa. Both have pseudo FPS combat system. DDo is fantasy focused on grouping and Tabula Rasa is sci-fi with a bit of everything.
And then there are sandbox games (EVE online, Ultima) but let's be honest, it's probably the exact opposite of MMO genre from WoW. So I wouldn't recommened that either for an ex-wow player.
REALITY CHECK
I would not recommend Tabula Rasa.
It wants to be a FPS but fails. It wants to be a MMORPG and also fails.
The FPS aspects is pretty bad compared to the *real* FPS. The setting is not bad for a sci-fi MMORPG but the polished, content and gameplay is just not there.
I actually would recommend Eve. If you have already played WOW, you may as well play something very different. I have tried Eve for 14 days and I am seriously considering making it my second MMO. The only reason i haven't is that I still haven't "finished" WOW (my main is only 68 with a 20 alt) and I certainly will after I exhaust the content on WOW during the wait for WOTLK.
I played WoW from launch and then quit in late summer 2006. after a lot of raiding to the highest level.
Took me until a few months ago to stomach an MMO again, now into EVE, at the other end of the spectrum from WoW, and just as well presented, but far more complex and immersive. You played a game and a genre type too much and got burnout, you will probably be back in the genre again just depends on time.
Tryed the free trial in 2 days, got to lvl 8 by grinding.
Got tired of it.
uninstalled it..
died to many times.
hated PvP
I have played EQ1 and EQ2, and they suck beyond belief compared to WoW! Your opinion is not backed at all, show me the players! The players have spoken, 10 million strong we shout you down! WoW rules them all!
EQ1 blows WoW out of the water. WoW everything was handed to you, you dont even have to think to play the game. Everything is spelled out and it makes playing useless. I played WoW for 2 years and I quit because I was bored, there was nothing to do, nothing new, nothing exciting. I played EQ1 for over 5 years and I quit due to RL issues limiting my playing time, which lead me to WoW, go figure. In my 5 years in EQ1 I never got bored, there was always something new to explorer or try, always something exciting to do. EQ1 has a huge huge world compared to WoWs world. In 5 years of playing EQ1, I still have not seen everything that games has to offer. In 2 years of WoW, I have seen every place in WoW, I have fought every mob in WoW.
Eq is not dead. It has alot less players but its not dead, I dont play but I know many that still do.
death penalties are one of the reasons why EQ1 is better then WoW. Why do you want to play a game with no death penalties, why not just turn on GoD mode and play? Were is the challage? The fear? The heart and soul of the game? WoW is missing the heart and soul of a MMORPG.
Sorry but I dnt think you ever played EQ1. EQ1 and others before it started MMO's and if anything WoW is trying to kill it by including all these players that dont want to think, they want everything spelled out, no thinking required.
Why play a game that requires no thinking? It makes no sense.
I play games to have fun, I have fun playing games because they make me think, they make me use my problem solving skills.
Sooner or Later
EQ1 is a great game, however it sounds like anything simlar will suck for you.
so the only thing I can really say is have you tried eve online?
even the eve online haters can't argue that it is indeed as different mmo wise that you get form WoW.
I have played EQ1 and EQ2, and they suck beyond belief compared to WoW! Your opinion is not backed at all, show me the players! The players have spoken, 10 million strong we shout you down! WoW rules them all!
EQ1 blows WoW out of the water. WoW everything was handed to you, you dont even have to think to play the game. Everything is spelled out and it makes playing useless. I played WoW for 2 years and I quit because I was bored, there was nothing to do, nothing new, nothing exciting. I played EQ1 for over 5 years and I quit due to RL issues limiting my playing time, which lead me to WoW, go figure. In my 5 years in EQ1 I never got bored, there was always something new to explorer or try, always something exciting to do. EQ1 has a huge huge world compared to WoWs world. In 5 years of playing EQ1, I still have not seen everything that games has to offer. In 2 years of WoW, I have seen every place in WoW, I have fought every mob in WoW.
Eq is not dead. It has alot less players but its not dead, I dont play but I know many that still do.
death penalties are one of the reasons why EQ1 is better then WoW. Why do you want to play a game with no death penalties, why not just turn on GoD mode and play? Were is the challage? The fear? The heart and soul of the game? WoW is missing the heart and soul of a MMORPG.
Sorry but I dnt think you ever played EQ1. EQ1 and others before it started MMO's and if anything WoW is trying to kill it by including all these players that dont want to think, they want everything spelled out, no thinking required.
Why play a game that requires no thinking? It makes no sense.
I play games to have fun, I have fun playing games because they make me think, they make me use my problem solving skills.
hey hey don't bash games that don't have thinking. some times simple puzzle games are the best.hex for instance or tetris. that's why games like that have 10 million people player, becuase they simple and dumbed down. I personaly enjoyed wow for abut... a year I guess. because it was jsut that, fun. fun to you might not be wow but it is if nothing else a fun game. but it's not very deep. It's deep don't get me wrong wow fanboys, but it's not like EQ, EQ ia like EvE in a way, they are both the kinds of games that if you were to say watch a tournyment fight, like the one eve just had, it wouldn't be exsiting unless you knew what you were watching.
for those that know the depth is staggering howmany things are happening at once to determine the winner of the match.
but the same could be said for wow. but maybe wow has more appeal, which is rule one of art.
which both EQ and eve have just in different ways. for instance for a sci-fi junkie like me eve's look apeals beyond reason. and for fantast arcard gamers you beat wow. it just looks like what it should.
Well eve sucks EQ sucks WoW sucks it's all the same opinion and hard facts. each game has peal in different ways and each game is a differwent game. it's up to you to decide what apeals the most and wow happens to have mass apeal making games like EQ not as apealing to peopel that have played wow.
you have no idea how maybe times new players bitch about losing everyhting when you die in eve because they played wow frist.
I guess I could agree with the OP but for different reasons.
I don't like level, class, uber loot based games.
Ultima Online (the first few years) was the best MMO "for me" that has ever come out. SWG was close until it was changed.
The reason WoW ruined MMO's for me... is now everyone wants to cash in on success. The corporate ideal on how to do that.. is to use what is "known to work". So that just means everyone will keep trying to make the next WoW.
I really wish someone would come over to my Niche market.. and make me another "skill based" game.
Like it or hate it, WoW is the Babe Ruth of MMOs. Before WoW came around, great subscriber numbers were High 100ks to low millions. Now, any game without millions of subs is "dying" (if you listen to forums at least).
Much like Ruth did with baseball, WoW added a fast,simple and exciting thing that drew the masses (Ruth homeruns to drive up scores, WoW quick and simple gaming ). Word of mouth got around and that's what people want and expect from games.
Someday, there may be a Hank Aaron-ish MMO that passes WoW (can't figure out what MMO steroids would be, so I'll leave Barry Bonds out of it). Or, it will be like AD&D, the classic of the genre, with none ever approaching as far as popularity.
Love it or loath it, at least there is an MMO that has regular TV commercials.
For the haters, just think of it as MMO kindergarten, eventually many players graduate and go on to "better" games.
You just need to approach new games with your eyes open. WoW had more content and polish at launch than most MMO's do 2 years down the line. + it was the first to welcome mods and add-ons and we may never see that again.
There's atleast 3 games coming this year that I have my eye on: Warhammer, Age of Conan and Jumpgate. Although none of them are WoW replacements, they will be good games in their own right. It will just take time for them to flesh out the content. Out of those 3, Warhammer has the best chance of capturing some of the humour and character that WoW had.
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You can walk the walk but can you talk the talk?
Think about it this way.
World of Warcraft is the Walmart of MMO's. Everyone knows about Walmart, most everyone goes there, its easily accessed, cheap design, cheap concepts, but pretty much works for everyone.
However, if you want anything complex, if you want better food or better clothing, you arent going to go to Walmart.
Walm . . . I mean Warcraft, was made for the family user, the strumpet of MMO's. Any 6 year old can sit down and play his Neo Pet. . . I mean Avatar. Plus, any third world calculor can run the game, so they've basically just created a digital Walmart.
My Promise to you:
Go to your local Walmart, you'll find a retard.
Log on to WoW, you'll find a retard in the same if not less amount of time.
Gaming is serious business.
No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
Sucks to be you kid. Try playing other MMO's before making a stupid statement.
"Everything is mine and your woman too"
No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
It's a poor analogy for the following reasons:
WoW is no cheaper than other MMOs.
The game was not rushed out nor was it released too early like many MMORPGs.
The game is generally less buggy than the majority of MMOs.
The game has the highest critical review scores for any MMO to date.
It appears on more top 100 PC game lists than any other MMO, and most other PC games.
Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds. It doesn't work that way.
Like I said, it's a poor analogy given by those people who haven't thought about it very well.
I mean, if we'd have to continue this poorly thought out analogy, we'd have to say that Eve online was burger king, Everquest 2 was a hot-dog stand, Vanguard was a greasy spoon that sold under-cooked food, Lord of The Rings was Taco Bell, Asheron's Call was Wimpy, Ultima Online is a sandwich shop.
People just use this analogy to have a cheap dig at WoW. If anything, this analogy is the fast-food of analogies, ready made for people who can't cook for themselves - a metaphor - hopefully you will know what I am really saying here
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
so far till now, wow is the only mmorpg game i ever played. myself burned on it for a really long time and even can't get out of it as long as i was awake!
sometimes my friends said i was going insane in mind with the game. fortunately, i quit now and start to work to make myself busy, and i found there are much more things more important than the game in our life... i don't wanna to lose them anymore
Hear me out, while I do understand where you're coming from because I my self was pretty addicted to wow at one point (mabye not as much as you) but I have to tell you mate, just like I have told one of my RL friends who was in the same shoes as you. It is entirely your fault for not setting rules, and limiting your self to what you do. I am not trying to come and look like an ass but theres alot of addictive things out there in the world, and if you don't have control over them you can easily have the same thing happen to you.
I am sorry MMOs are addictive but before you get into one, any MMO you need to set rules, otherwise you could loose your job, your wife and perhaps your family to a world that doesn't exist, its just a game and nothing more, you just need to remind your self of that, it has worked for me I think it would work for anyone who tries.
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No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
It's a *viable* analogy for the following reasons:
WoW *PROBABLY COSTS MORE* than other MMOs and you get less for more money.
The game was *rushed out and released too early like many MMORPGs BUT FIXED LATER ON*
The game is * has bugs + exploits that get you serious punishment UNLIKE the the majority of MMOs.*
Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds. It doesn't work that way. -> Popularity != Quality actually that's why it doesn't mean it's good cause it appears on lists or high critical reviews (which are biased anyways)
Like I said, it's a *viable analogy given by those people who have thought about it very well, played pretty much everything else and are old enough in the genre*
There I fixed it for you...
And I do cook myself foods from over 5 different countries... ;D
WoW is a very very good MMO to begin with but if you're someone with a decent IQ and knowledge of when you're being fooled & milked at some point you have to move on...
That's my 2 cents of the Euro
No it's not stupid meaning WoW is the junkfood of MMO...No real substance or qualities, just caters the masses for the cheap enjoyment + easy to acquire
Bingo!
WoW is the Junk-food of the MMO market. Brilliant! I had been trying to figure out a simple way to understand the popularity of WoW and I think the analogy between McDonalds and WoW is perhaps the best I have heard. Cudos ZSpawn. Spot on.
It's a *viable* analogy for the following reasons:
WoW *PROBABLY COSTS MORE* than other MMOs and you get less for more money.
The game was *rushed out and released too early like many MMORPGs BUT FIXED LATER ON*
The game is * has bugs + exploits that get you serious punishment UNLIKE the the majority of MMOs.*
Just like you can't say popularity = quality, you can't say a popular MMO is automatically cheap like McDonalds. It doesn't work that way. -> Popularity != Quality actually that's why it doesn't mean it's good cause it appears on lists or high critical reviews (which are biased anyways)
Like I said, it's a *viable analogy given by those people who have thought about it very well, played pretty much everything else and are old enough in the genre*
There I fixed it for you...
And I do cook myself foods from over 5 different countries... ;D
WoW is a very very good MMO to begin with but if you're someone with a decent IQ and knowledge of when you're being fooled & milked at some point you have to move on...
That's my 2 cents of the Euro
All the top quality MMORPGs that are valid to compare to WoW have similar price tag. Everquests / Eves/ CoXs etc etc. Saying it "PROBABLY COSTS MORE", does nothing to serve as an analogy to McDonalds which is cheap fast food. By saying it's more expensive you're making my point. Your issue that
WoW was certainly not rushed out before it was ready. It had population issues because it was so popular, but the client has always been good. Compare that to efforts such as Everquest 2 and Vanguard whose launches were considered poor and only became 'good' after a long while.
You claim that critical reviews are 'biased', hmm? Biased to what, to WoW? Critical reviews are biased to Blizzard? HOW are they biassed? How are hundreds of review publications ALL biased?
Your inferrence that enjoying WoW over other MMORPGs equates to a low IQ and knowledge of MMOs is absurd and you're just trolling now. Just cheap digs at a game you don't like.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I have played EQ1 and EQ2, and they suck beyond belief compared to WoW! Your opinion is not backed at all, show me the players! The players have spoken, 10 million strong we shout you down! WoW rules them all!
EQ1 blows WoW out of the water. WoW everything was handed to you, you dont even have to think to play the game. Everything is spelled out and it makes playing useless. I played WoW for 2 years and I quit because I was bored, there was nothing to do, nothing new, nothing exciting. I played EQ1 for over 5 years and I quit due to RL issues limiting my playing time, which lead me to WoW, go figure. In my 5 years in EQ1 I never got bored, there was always something new to explorer or try, always something exciting to do. EQ1 has a huge huge world compared to WoWs world. In 5 years of playing EQ1, I still have not seen everything that games has to offer. In 2 years of WoW, I have seen every place in WoW, I have fought every mob in WoW.
Eq is not dead. It has alot less players but its not dead, I dont play but I know many that still do.
death penalties are one of the reasons why EQ1 is better then WoW. Why do you want to play a game with no death penalties, why not just turn on GoD mode and play? Were is the challage? The fear? The heart and soul of the game? WoW is missing the heart and soul of a MMORPG.
Sorry but I dnt think you ever played EQ1. EQ1 and others before it started MMO's and if anything WoW is trying to kill it by including all these players that dont want to think, they want everything spelled out, no thinking required.
Why play a game that requires no thinking? It makes no sense.
I play games to have fun, I have fun playing games because they make me think, they make me use my problem solving skills.
Have you seen the 'penalties' for death in EQ1 now? Your whole argument is based on EQ1 several years ago.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...