Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Omg!! Blizzard CM, Please slam your post deep into my thread!!!!
Tengwar
Member Posts: 20
The WoW General forums make me want to explode via overloading my stupid inhibitors. I know what im getting into every time I visit it, I'm no fool.
But theres one special phenomenon that makes me cringe with disgust. 
Its called the "Please slam your post deep into my thread." syndrome
Can anyone explain why is it, that every time a paid forum troll (Blizzard CMs) makes a snide and snippy comment, there seems to be a circle jerk following of CM fan club members that have been lying in wait for the opportunity to yell "OMG PWNED" or "OMG PLEASE HAVE MY BABIES, YOUR SNIDE COMMENT PWNed THAT DUDE SO MUCH."
Really? These people seem to rally behind these "Offical Blizzard Forum Trolls" like they're standing behind a big guy who's gonna defend them from dangerous things like individual thought and dignity.
To me? It seems like these people love stroking each other off. They huddle together like scared sheep until the paid forum troll comes and slams his post DEEP into somebody's thread so they can all rejoice at having some sort of "intellectual superior" that they can give the ol' rusty trombone to. You folks got something on your nose there. And hands. You know who you are.
Has anyone else observed this ridiculous phenomenon?
__________________________________________________________________________________
The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the *perfect* warrior. If he wins the Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness. -- How do you fight such a savage? -- With heart, faith and skill. In the end there can be only one.
Comments
Before they gave me the banhammer, I used to do this too, I'll admit. I don't see what the problem is, they are only having a little fun, the one great thing about Blizzard is they have CMs actually post on their forums, and it is even greater that people talk to them casually.
And what does it matter to you if Drysc has my babies?
I sort of agree with the OP, I'm not maybe as angry at him about it but I do feel the CM's are on a whole pretty bad. I much prefer Turbine's CM's on LOTRO. They tend to be a bit more serious when they need to and can throw in a joke or two. The CM"s on WoW well seemed all silly and just plain blah.... no seriouness at all but then again I only use forums here and there so maybe I missed the seriouness when it happened.
---"Before they gave me the banhammer, I used to do this too"
hahaha, something tells me there is a great story behind this.
And you speak truth, when all is said and done it'll just be just laughing memories.
---"the one great thing about Blizzard is they have CMs actually post on their forums, and it is even greater that people talk to them casually."
It's hit or miss. A lot of the time it depends on who it is. Tseric was full of himself, and no more wise than the players he was determined to talk down to.
Bornakk is the same way and says alot of nothing.
Drysc is okay, but still kinda Tseric-y
and Netherea is the nicest.
They're all vastly unprofessional though and have had waaaay too many people cheerleading their
condescending and troll-like behavior. Which encourages them to keep putting on a show.
You could make forum goers alot happier by allowing them to put their ear to the door in Blizzard's upper echelon of decision making and game direction.
__________________________________________________________________________________
The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the *perfect* warrior. If he wins the Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness. -- How do you fight such a savage? -- With heart, faith and skill. In the end there can be only one.
The WoW forums are infested. Avoid at all costs.
Spending more than ten minutes tootling around the WoW forums will make you wish a virus would come and wipe out all humanity. They really should change the name of the general forums to "Myopic sociopath's sounding board." I cannot adequately express my loathing for the community that hangs out there.
Makes the most retarded BS I've seen on these boards seem like we are baking cakes for each other and singing religous hymms.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
The macro forum was real nice back when it was Gello and Iriel mainly posting, but then this stupid gnome shit up the place.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
Let me guess, you were banned....or perhaps just had your thread hijacked by one of the CM's?
Most of the time I find the CM's to be fairly informational and the rest of the time fairly entertaining, but I still don't want to have their babies.
"but you can't have babies, you got no womb, how's it gonna gestate? What are you gonna do, keep it in a box?"
--" Let me guess, you were banned....or perhaps just had your thread hijacked by one of the CM's?"
No! not at all actually, this was more about principle and less about pride. Neither of the above happened.
My WoW account has been off since January, I just visit and thumb through the forums because I like to watch ships sink.
I know for a fact the members of these here forums are actually able to hold a human discussion without melting down into a massive pile of stupid.
The CM's just never seemed that informative to me. They were always locked behind an iron-clad NDA and due to the volatile nature of the forums, are battle hardened to be as curt, coy, and condescending as possible.
Trying to figure out what the EQ Raid kids running the show at Blizzard think and feel or what direction the game is going in is a futile effort.
It's like ordering a meal at a restaurant and after 2 hours of ordering your food they just keep bringing you crappy rolls. So you're full! but your full of rolls and not the food that you ordered.
Then Blizzard says "but we fed you! looklooklooklook!!!"
__________________________________________________________________________________
The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the *perfect* warrior. If he wins the Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness. -- How do you fight such a savage? -- With heart, faith and skill. In the end there can be only one.
"EQ raid kids running the show at blizzard". That comments fails on so many levels.
First of all, there's a lot more people involved than just Furor and Tigole, they get a lot of attention because they were high profile EQ players, whereas the real people pulling the strings aren't known to the MMO community.
Second of all, if WoW is "a sinking ship", I'd love to hear what game you'd say isn't sinking or sinking at a slower rate.
Thirdly, EQ is 9 years old, and Furor and Tigole - the raid kiddies, must have grown up since those days
Fourth, PvP battlegrounds and the arena are perhaps the most played part of WoW, certainly more than raids, and correct me if I'm wrong but Fires of Heaven and Legacy of Steel were PVE guilds on PVE servers.
I'm just correcting you, don't hate me for it.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
---"EQ raid kids running the show at blizzard". That comments fails on so many levels."
No, It succeeds on more levels than it fails. The developers have not given us any reason to believe that WoW is nothing more than EQ with a Warcraft skin on it. There are some essential differences but the results are still the same because the game itself is based on an out-dated DKP-driven raid model.
---"First of all, there's a lot more people involved than just Furor and Tigole, they get a lot of attention because they were high profile EQ players, whereas the real people pulling the strings aren't known to the MMO community"
Jeff Kaplan has the final say in all the decisions that go into the game, and his judgement is questionable, Issues that have existed since EQ are still problems today, issues like Dungeon Accessibility, DKP/Raid Drama, Slot Machine Random Drops, the list goes on and on..
The fact that the brute force behind the development of the game is shadowed and hidden behind and curtain and "aren't known to the MMO community" is a problem in itself. Blizzard as a company does not allow people to put their ear to the door to better understand where they're coming from, They feign this by doing things like "Podcasts" but they are nothing more than filtered questions that lead up to a glorified advertisement.
---"Second of all, if WoW is "a sinking ship", I'd love to hear what game you'd say isn't sinking or sinking at a slower rate."
Its more like one pinhole at a time. Its not like WoW crashed into an iceberg. But no matter what anyone says, its a sinking ship, as is every MMO ever made.
---"Thirdly, EQ is 9 years old, and Furor and Tigole - the raid kiddies, must have grown up since those days
"
Gee.. Really? They had me fooled. You'd think for 2 gentlemen who grew up in game design philosophy they could surely mature beyond a silly raid system that is outdated, and retains the problems of its predecessors.
---"Fourth, PvP battlegrounds and the arena are perhaps the most played part of WoW, certainly more than raids, and correct me if I'm wrong but Fires of Heaven and Legacy of Steel were PVE guilds on PVE servers."
PvP Battlegrounds is a shoebox which was created to give PvPers a "playpen" to PvP in, this is not true PvP. There is an entire world that Blizzard is just turning into a museum by outdating content and just power piling new crap on top of old crap that it now obsolete.
Arena's are nothing more than glorified duels. Not true PvP.
And guess what? The WoW community has fought for YEARS to get the PvP content in order with siege-able cities, true outdoor world PvP and a motive to actually prove the alliance and horde are against each other instead of a carebear relationship of effectually made up of trading raiding strategies and gear trophyism.
I'm just correcting you, don't hate me for it.
__________________________________________________________________________________
The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the *perfect* warrior. If he wins the Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness. -- How do you fight such a savage? -- With heart, faith and skill. In the end there can be only one.
The WOW forums inhabitors are like sports fans. You can't discuss their team's shortcomings. They can't be objective. All the know to do is flame, and put others down to make themselves proud. Of course, there are exceptoins, but 90% of forum users are blind followers.
To me? You're just barely old enough to shave and think you know all there is to know about game development even though you've probably not spent even a single day working as a developer and you're chock full of opinions just like we all were when we were your age, but you have no real world experience of what it's like working for a large company and how things like budgets, deadlines, agendas and time constraints prevent you from doing everything you'd like to do. You think if you can imagine it that you can make it happen, but you have no idea that just because you think it's a great idea, if you can't convince your management to spend the money on it that you need to spend, you have no chance of it ever being implemented. You have no idea that developing code for something like an MMO is a huge process in which hundreds of people take part and each has their own ideas about how it should work and therefore in the end no one gets to make it exactly like they would like to but rather are forced to make concessions so that an agreement can be reached by all. You have no idea how the people who are hired to act as the go between of the public and the developers are between a rock and hard place because they listen to the gripes and complaints on a daily basis and would really love to tell the public that it will all be fixed exactly like they want it to be, but they know they don't develop the code and all they can really do is voice the opinions of the public to the developers and the best they can hope for is that the developers have the time and resources and authority to make the necessary changes and then tell the public to be patient for it to happen.
No, you have no idea at all, because you haven't been there and you haven't done it. The great thing is that your time is coming very soon. You're probably in college right now or maybe just out and you're just starting life. You're only just now realizing that there's only so many hours in the day and only so much you can do in a week no matter how hard you work and that there's always someone who has more authority than you telling you how it's going to be done no matter how good of a job you do to convince them that's not the best way to do it and even if you do convince them exactly how it should be done, that you can't do it all yourself and need the help of a team of others and inevitably you don't have enough control over every single aspect of the project to make it work exactly like you would like to.
You're living in a world where everything is so simple. See, here's all there is to it. It's so simple. Anyone can see it, it's as plain as the nose on your face. I remember what that was like 25 years ago. Now, a little older and little wiser, I realize that things are never that simple. It's a lot more complicated than that. I cut people a lot of slack because I realize that I probably don't have a clue just how tough their job really is and that I probably couldn't do it any better than they could no matter how unbelievably talented I might be.
I don't mean to flame you and I'll probably regret having posted this at all, but you seem like a fairly intelligent guy and I hope that one day maybe you'll look back at this post and not see it as a flame, but rather as just one guy trying to put into words what only experience can teach you.
That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
thats come across as more of a much-desired rant more than something that belongs to this discussion?
This guy is simply commenting on the CMs who can be a bit sarky(well on the European boards)- and he is also commenting that the raid philosophy from EQ was taken to WoW- which it was. Maybe the attitude is wrong, but he is "old enough to shave" looking at his profile age of 23. Though, he probably should avoid the WoW boards having such a distaste of them.
QFLulz
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
You're absolutely correct, but let me explain a bit where it was coming from. I'm a software developer, no not for a game developer, but for a large corporation and I know a little about the software development lifecycle and mostly that rant was coming from 25 years of experience dealing with the problems associated with software development. Too frequently I see posts that make it seem like the developers are either incompetant or have personal agendas as to how the software should work, when I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth especially at Blizzard. Any software developer worth his salt wants nothing more than to produce the exact results expected by the user, however this is often times not an easy thing to accomplish for a variety of reasons which I tried to explain. I could go into more detail, but it would just bore you all, so let me just say that Blizzard's team of developers is top notch, but they have an extremely tough job. How exactly do you make a good game anyway? Certainly there are many different ideas about what makes a good game and therefore there's a lot of effort that's put into design, development, testing, play testing and so on. On top of that there are limitations with system requirements, software, budget, time constraints, resources and so on and so forth. It all has to be balanced. So while it's very easy to state on a forum what exactly should be done and why and while the developers themselves may completely agree, it's not always feasible to produce those exact results given the constraints the developers have to work with.
So while it's everyone's right to criticize the developers and the CM's, it's also my right to defend them a bit. I've walked a mile in their shoes so to speak and I can tell you that's it's not as easy as it might seem. If it were, every game developer would produce hit after hit the way that Blizzard has done.
---"Fourth, PvP battlegrounds and the arena are perhaps the most played part of WoW, certainly more than raids, and correct me if I'm wrong but Fires of Heaven and Legacy of Steel were PVE guilds on PVE servers."
PvP Battlegrounds is a shoebox which was created to give PvPers a "playpen" to PvP in, this is not true PvP. There is an entire world that Blizzard is just turning into a museum by outdating content and just power piling new crap on top of old crap that it now obsolete.
Arena's are nothing more than glorified duels. Not true PvP.
And guess what? The WoW community has fought for YEARS to get the PvP content in order with siege-able cities, true outdoor world PvP and a motive to actually prove the alliance and horde are against each other instead of a carebear relationship of effectually made up of trading raiding strategies and gear trophyism.
very true statment. donno how to say it better. Battlegrounds are even worse.
Kinda OT, but the original post in this thread had me laughing my ass off....
No matter how much experience you have as a software developer, not working with games doesn't make you any expert on how to develop and run an MMORPG. That's two completely different worlds. And it sure as hell doesn't make you an expert on how things works at Blizzard.
To me, it seems like the OP can't just leave the game and move on. You, on the other hand, seems to be a much worse rant than the OP, please climb down from the pedestal before you fall and break your neck.