I'm quite positive that you don't have to click the hotbar icons in order to activate the combo. I'm betting that if you have them memorized, just like in MK or DoA, and you do it correctly, the combo will go off.
So really, it's more like using 5 hotkeys with one hand and looking with your mouse with the other.. then inbetween moves, repositioning yourself.
You have a choice to either click the hotbar icons or you can use the numberpad, such as 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc with one hand and move the mouse with the other.
Yes exactly. But as you go up in leel, you'll have more than 5 abilities to use. For example, the 3 regular attacks will always be up, not including all your special abilities. So, it'll be more or less like using 10 or so hot keys at once in a rapid motion on every given pvp battle, and when fighting multiple mobs or mobs 5+ levels higher than you.
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I'd agree that true FPS style is and has always been fun but it seems to me that AoC is a bridge between standard MMO queued specials and FPS movement.
You hit the nail on the head! AoC will appeal more to fans of FPS games, rather than traditional MMOG fans.
I'm not saying 100% of FPS fans will definitely enjoy AoC and 0% traditional MMOG fans will hate it, but the percentages will be very high depending on your preferred style of play.
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I'd agree that true FPS style is and has always been fun but it seems to me that AoC is a bridge between standard MMO queued specials and FPS movement.
You hit the nail on the head! AoC will appeal more to fans of FPS games, rather than traditional MMOG fans.
I'm not saying 100% of FPS fans will definitely enjoy AoC and 0% traditional MMOG fans will hate it, but the percentages will be very high depending on your preferred style of play.
I do not know any FPS with combos ?
If anything it looks more appealing to fans of Mortal combat / Tekken , combined with ill solution of WASD + mouse movement of PC
EDIT- Lobot', I just meant the W,A,S,D movement and the standard button mash attack as the FPS connection. I agree I've not played a FPS I can recall with a combo. ....And 4 pointing that out you get ...combo#3!!
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Add having to look at flashing combo signs on screen , and pressing the right moves
You don't have to look at the combat rose to do the combos. If you know what the combo needs or what the strokes are you can just do them in order. For instance if it's Q,3,1 you can just look at your swings and hit Q, then as your character executes that motion you hit the next one. By the time you gain a few levels you'll commit most of the combos to memory and will know when to use them best by baiting the shields of your enemy to certain positions so that your combo opener will do the most damage.
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No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
I tried Avencast demo. Thanks for recomendation. It is indeed similar to (what i imagine) AOC combo system
It is interesting. But awkward. Can not really say it fits PC keyboard...perhaps xbox controller yes...
yup exactly what i felt kinda awkard at first, it grows on you even tho i still make mistakes with the combos in the game...but ive only played it 4 hours...i plan on playing AOC a TON more than that so hopefully it will become 2nd nature
Whats the difference from QE123 + Active Shield Block + Mouse Movement + WASD Movement
Or
Frost Bolt 1, Cone of Cold 2, Frost Nova 3, Pyroblast 4, fireblast 5, blink 6, sheep 7, silence 8, spell steal 9, ice barrier 10, ice block 11, mana shield 12, fire shield 13, frost shield 14, cold snap 15, icy veins 16, trinket1 17, trinket2 18, potion1 19, potion2 20, potion3 21, etc, etc, and etc. WASD Movement + Mouse Movement
Hrmmm, Complicated if your a moron.
For WoW, I've got F, X, C, Z, G, Mouse3-4-5, and ALT+# combinations all mapped and their system is dull as hell. How can you seriously think this will be complicated?
Originally posted by kazson Originally posted by Lobotomist I tried Avencast demo. Thanks for recomendation. It is indeed similar to (what i imagine) AOC combo system
It is interesting. But awkward. Can not really say it fits PC keyboard...perhaps xbox controller yes...
yup exactly what i felt kinda awkard at first, it grows on you even tho i still make mistakes with the combos in the game...but ive only played it 4 hours...i plan on playing AOC a TON more than that so hopefully it will become 2nd nature
I have tried the Avencast demo too and I too found it awkward. I think that the thing that makes it awkward is that it is that the combos require you to press your movement keys which means (at least for me, after like 20min of play) that sometimes I execute them without intent, or that I spoil a combo by trying to dodge at the same time. Fortunately AoC combos are NOT bound to movement keys and I am happy about that. Still I am happy you have recommended Avencast, it was fun trying something different, and it did bring me a bit closer to understanding AoC combat (or so I think).
Then again, getting used to the speed of combat and the fact your likely going up against someone, that's controling every stroke of the weapon, like you are, which you need to counter and gain an advantage from in a fight. This might be a little touch of complexity but again I see this game as one with a learing arc and should be able to pick-up the basics quickly.
EDIT- ..Have to agree with Sol' on that point. If Advil isn't going to do the trick and since the G15 keyboard macro's won't help you out, well ../shrug atleast, there's a fine list of 'mainstream' titles to choose from and always more of the same on the way.
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People who already show signs of wrist injuries, arthritis do to heavy mouse use will pretty much destroy there hands with this combat system.
In my opinion those people are gaming at their own risk no matter what game they play. I know if I had those medical issues I probably wouldn't want to be at a keyboard for long periods of time, whether it's playing AoC or Solitaire.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
I really hope that I can use the xbox controller for all of the combat oriented stuff and use my keyboard and mouse for all of the menus and typing and crap like that.
It just seems more and more like it's going to be really annoying for keyboard users... It must work better than we think though, since we haven't heard about another pushback due to another revamp of the combat system..
Add having to look at flashing combo signs on screen , and pressing the right moves
You don't have to look at the combat rose to do the combos. If you know what the combo needs or what the strokes are you can just do them in order. For instance if it's Q,3,1 you can just look at your swings and hit Q, then as your character executes that motion you hit the next one. By the time you gain a few levels you'll commit most of the combos to memory and will know when to use them best by baiting the shields of your enemy to certain positions so that your combo opener will do the most damage.
Nobody ever starts out being the master of anything. You have to learn. Everybody is a "noob" at one point.
Actually that isn't how it works. You have to start with the combo key. So you want ot do a combo you hit like hotkey 5 to start the combo. That puts an icon on your screen and shows what the next directional attack you need to do is. Then you hit that and the next one and the next one and it does the combo. There isn't any secret combo system where just hitting a sequence of attacks triggers a combo.
Watch the video explaining combat that was posted today or maybe yesterday.
The combat in AoC that has been talked about is what got me interested in AoC in the first place and only that reason.
Anyone who has played an FPS can easily manage all those buttons, and some, i used to play FEAR Combat Multiplayer and its the fastest paced fps i have ever played, when i first started my fingers actually got sore from darting over the keyboard, i used to give my fingers a 5 min break every 30 mins or so. if u wanna get ur finger bashing skills up u can download FEAR combat for free or try cod4, they are the 2 games i believe have fast pace.
Personally im sick and tired of watching a lil character from above shooting/hacking a mob to pieces while i press numbers, it makes me feel disconnected and thus bored which leads to me leaving the game, as a result i've left all my rpg's until i find something with better combat, i have a feeling AoC will be it.
One question for all the hardcore AoC watchers, will there be a first person camera view?
P.S. i dont think anyone can answer the question to the thread name, unless u find someone thats actually tried the combat.
I think Funcom hit the nail on the head. I was kinda skeptical at first but now that this new combat video is out it looks like they have really been tweaking this system.
It's obvious that if this works well it's gonna appeal to not only hardcore mmo'rs who are looking for a change from the typical castbar/autoattack style we have all grown accustom too but also other more casual gamers, primarily that play action games and FPS. Add in blood, gore, and a xbox release. Yea, I think this game has the potential to do freakin great. Here's hoping that it lives up to all expectations as well as a smooth release.(On the 20th. I don't see a delay not with all the pre-orders this month)
As for the guys that keep replying with the same old "bla bla bla so did vanguard". Its obvious that you got burnt by vanguard and the release of AoC being pushed back. We all want to play it as well Now go find some Valium and keep playing with your hobbits.(just a joke don't flame me lotr guys)
not sure if someone said this so my bad for skimming but in aoc the combat isnt that good well not for melee that is , it is auto attack if you want it and you dont need to face the target it will auto turn you to it , it basically like guild wars almost as far as you dont need to face your target to hit it
Originally posted by devoux One question for all the hardcore AoC watchers, will there be a first person camera view?
I am pretty sure I have seen people zooming into first person view in the videos.
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Yes you can zoom in from my experience from the community event
Secondly, on topic all I have to say is that personally I really enjoyed my overall experience at that event, I am also enjoying the tweaks that are coming out about the combat and the forward thinking in trying to do something a bit different. I look forward to playing the game with this modified fresh approach and hope that when people play the game the finished game they will get the same enjoyment as I had for a while to come.
A key area for me, and one that I hope will turn out well is the mounted combat.
If they can nail that then thats another pray to Crom answered and delievered.
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You have a choice to either click the hotbar icons or you can use the numberpad, such as 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc with one hand and move the mouse with the other.
Yes exactly. But as you go up in leel, you'll have more than 5 abilities to use. For example, the 3 regular attacks will always be up, not including all your special abilities. So, it'll be more or less like using 10 or so hot keys at once in a rapid motion on every given pvp battle, and when fighting multiple mobs or mobs 5+ levels higher than you.
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
You hit the nail on the head! AoC will appeal more to fans of FPS games, rather than traditional MMOG fans.
I'm not saying 100% of FPS fans will definitely enjoy AoC and 0% traditional MMOG fans will hate it, but the percentages will be very high depending on your preferred style of play.
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
You hit the nail on the head! AoC will appeal more to fans of FPS games, rather than traditional MMOG fans.
I'm not saying 100% of FPS fans will definitely enjoy AoC and 0% traditional MMOG fans will hate it, but the percentages will be very high depending on your preferred style of play.
I do not know any FPS with combos ?
If anything it looks more appealing to fans of Mortal combat / Tekken , combined with ill solution of WASD + mouse movement of PC
/deepbow@ OAK' "Thank You, Sire" ...AAHHHH! ... /charge, combo#9 (lol, sry can't wait)
EDIT- Lobot', I just meant the W,A,S,D movement and the standard button mash attack as the FPS connection. I agree I've not played a FPS I can recall with a combo. ....And 4 pointing that out you get ...combo#3!!
* Life is not black or white, it's shades of grey. But, at it's best/worst, it hints at 32bit color. -Me (a.k.a. RuthlessTimes)
* I do not need to know how to make a better game than you. I just need to know how to cancel my subscription. -Antarious(a slight misquote but the sentiment remains)
Nobody ever starts out being the master of anything. You have to learn. Everybody is a "noob" at one point.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
I tried Avencast demo.
Thanks for recomendation. It is indeed similar to (what i imagine) AOC combo system
It is interesting. But awkward. Can not really say it fits PC keyboard...perhaps xbox controller yes...
yup exactly what i felt kinda awkard at first, it grows on you even tho i still make mistakes with the combos in the game...but ive only played it 4 hours...i plan on playing AOC a TON more than that so hopefully it will become 2nd nature
Whats the difference from QE123 + Active Shield Block + Mouse Movement + WASD Movement
Or
Frost Bolt 1, Cone of Cold 2, Frost Nova 3, Pyroblast 4, fireblast 5, blink 6, sheep 7, silence 8, spell steal 9, ice barrier 10, ice block 11, mana shield 12, fire shield 13, frost shield 14, cold snap 15, icy veins 16, trinket1 17, trinket2 18, potion1 19, potion2 20, potion3 21, etc, etc, and etc. WASD Movement + Mouse Movement
Hrmmm, Complicated if your a moron.
For WoW, I've got F, X, C, Z, G, Mouse3-4-5, and ALT+# combinations all mapped and their system is dull as hell. How can you seriously think this will be complicated?
Gaming is serious business.
yup exactly what i felt kinda awkard at first, it grows on you even tho i still make mistakes with the combos in the game...but ive only played it 4 hours...i plan on playing AOC a TON more than that so hopefully it will become 2nd nature
I have tried the Avencast demo too and I too found it awkward. I think that the thing that makes it awkward is that it is that the combos require you to press your movement keys which means (at least for me, after like 20min of play) that sometimes I execute them without intent, or that I spoil a combo by trying to dodge at the same time. Fortunately AoC combos are NOT bound to movement keys and I am happy about that. Still I am happy you have recommended Avencast, it was fun trying something different, and it did bring me a bit closer to understanding AoC combat (or so I think).
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Little difference to me Nyth'.
Then again, getting used to the speed of combat and the fact your likely going up against someone, that's controling every stroke of the weapon, like you are, which you need to counter and gain an advantage from in a fight. This might be a little touch of complexity but again I see this game as one with a learing arc and should be able to pick-up the basics quickly.
EDIT- ..Have to agree with Sol' on that point. If Advil isn't going to do the trick and since the G15 keyboard macro's won't help you out, well ../shrug atleast, there's a fine list of 'mainstream' titles to choose from and always more of the same on the way.
* Life is not black or white, it's shades of grey. But, at it's best/worst, it hints at 32bit color. -Me (a.k.a. RuthlessTimes)
* I do not need to know how to make a better game than you. I just need to know how to cancel my subscription. -Antarious(a slight misquote but the sentiment remains)
In my opinion those people are gaming at their own risk no matter what game they play. I know if I had those medical issues I probably wouldn't want to be at a keyboard for long periods of time, whether it's playing AoC or Solitaire.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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go tj crew
Sweet,
Too much work for old people. 17+, like that means anything, and too hard to lurn for kiddies.
Just my style,
Can't fucking game till Mid-May cause everything else has been done and is lame.
PTO, FTW
I really hope that I can use the xbox controller for all of the combat oriented stuff and use my keyboard and mouse for all of the menus and typing and crap like that.
It just seems more and more like it's going to be really annoying for keyboard users... It must work better than we think though, since we haven't heard about another pushback due to another revamp of the combat system..
You don't have to look at the combat rose to do the combos. If you know what the combo needs or what the strokes are you can just do them in order. For instance if it's Q,3,1 you can just look at your swings and hit Q, then as your character executes that motion you hit the next one. By the time you gain a few levels you'll commit most of the combos to memory and will know when to use them best by baiting the shields of your enemy to certain positions so that your combo opener will do the most damage.Nobody ever starts out being the master of anything. You have to learn. Everybody is a "noob" at one point.
Actually that isn't how it works. You have to start with the combo key. So you want ot do a combo you hit like hotkey 5 to start the combo. That puts an icon on your screen and shows what the next directional attack you need to do is. Then you hit that and the next one and the next one and it does the combo. There isn't any secret combo system where just hitting a sequence of attacks triggers a combo.
Watch the video explaining combat that was posted today or maybe yesterday.
pc.ign.com/articles/861/861250p1.html
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Will the PC version game allow me to use my 360 controller like it would be when it comes to the 360 console?
The combat in AoC that has been talked about is what got me interested in AoC in the first place and only that reason.
Anyone who has played an FPS can easily manage all those buttons, and some, i used to play FEAR Combat Multiplayer and its the fastest paced fps i have ever played, when i first started my fingers actually got sore from darting over the keyboard, i used to give my fingers a 5 min break every 30 mins or so. if u wanna get ur finger bashing skills up u can download FEAR combat for free or try cod4, they are the 2 games i believe have fast pace.
Personally im sick and tired of watching a lil character from above shooting/hacking a mob to pieces while i press numbers, it makes me feel disconnected and thus bored which leads to me leaving the game, as a result i've left all my rpg's until i find something with better combat, i have a feeling AoC will be it.
One question for all the hardcore AoC watchers, will there be a first person camera view?
P.S. i dont think anyone can answer the question to the thread name, unless u find someone thats actually tried the combat.
peace, devoux
I think Funcom hit the nail on the head. I was kinda skeptical at first but now that this new combat video is out it looks like they have really been tweaking this system.
It's obvious that if this works well it's gonna appeal to not only hardcore mmo'rs who are looking for a change from the typical castbar/autoattack style we have all grown accustom too but also other more casual gamers, primarily that play action games and FPS. Add in blood, gore, and a xbox release. Yea, I think this game has the potential to do freakin great. Here's hoping that it lives up to all expectations as well as a smooth release.(On the 20th. I don't see a delay not with all the pre-orders this month)
Now go find some Valium and keep playing with your hobbits.(just a joke don't flame me lotr guys
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As for the guys that keep replying with the same old "bla bla bla so did vanguard". Its obvious that you got burnt by vanguard and the release of AoC being pushed back. We all want to play it as well
not sure if someone said this so my bad for skimming but in aoc the combat isnt that good well not for melee that is , it is auto attack if you want it and you dont need to face the target it will auto turn you to it , it basically like guild wars almost as far as you dont need to face your target to hit it
I am pretty sure I have seen people zooming into first person view in the videos.
Yes you can zoom in from my experience from the community event
Secondly, on topic all I have to say is that personally I really enjoyed my overall experience at that event, I am also enjoying the tweaks that are coming out about the combat and the forward thinking in trying to do something a bit different. I look forward to playing the game with this modified fresh approach and hope that when people play the game the finished game they will get the same enjoyment as I had for a while to come.
A key area for me, and one that I hope will turn out well is the mounted combat.
If they can nail that then thats another pray to Crom answered and delievered.
Turning the character with the A and D keys spoils the game for me.
Why couldn't they have used the mouse for direction control?
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Playing (well recomended) Avencast , i started to get better insight into AOC combo system (the feeling of it)
And I can say that , it can work perhaps ... but only if you can execute combo by only pressing the keys ...
Not by pressing the shortcut icon , and than pressing the key combo