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I'm thinking about comming back
The thing that scared me off is the prices and the whole economy. I also had trouble selling my stuff because there's no auction house. I would set up shop, go to work and come back to find i had been disconnected about 1-2 hours after leaving.
I was thinking i could make a scarvenger and sell the mats i gather to buy stores. Also with some research i prolly could find out where the mats for X armor drop and farm them and then make it at a private creation store.
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I guess i didn't actually make this into a question.
Do you think leveling a scarvenger and selling the mats i get would help me gear up, possibly solo?
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No it won't. Not long term. You're forgetting that spoil and crafting are level related. Whilst you can sell individual mats well enough throughout the game, its the end game items that ppl want. Keep in mind the game is 3 yrs old and you need to be able to cater to the "general" player demand. Whilst there is some money to be made in the lower grades the real income comes from A and S grade where the population bell curve is at its peak.
To make money on A and S grade equipment you have to effectively level your character AND obtain the recipes. The A and S grade recipes when / if you eventually get there require group if not clan effort to obtain and use effectively.
For example the Ketra Orc/Varka Silenos alliance quest for S grade recipes requires you to conduct a massive multistage collection quest as well as killing some lv 70+ raidbosses which you will need a clan for.
There is no need for auction houses as this interferes with the game design concept of a free economy. Players are encouraged to play off the supply and demand fluctuations. This is an important part of the L2 economy and it puts the player and their mental agility behind the k/b rather than providing a game engine interface to do the trading for you. Its not new player friendly and not something that you can do as a past time. This is what ppl refer to as "playing the economy" and it takes a lot of real time, it requires an understanding of the market as well as taking the right steps in enabling oneself not only to buy and sell goods but to enhance them as necessary IOT maximise profit.
Bottom line, you need to join a clan.
Most clans will have some of the answers you are looking for on their forums. For others they will direct you to where you can research the information. If you can't sell stuff because of your connection, your clannies will happily do it for you and give it to you when you log in next time. Broaden your options, L2 is not a solo game
Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
The Reckless Knight
Lunatris
I didn't mean to make money for the sake of making money. I meant to sell some normal mats to pay for soulshots and to gather mats for my own leveling gear. Something in the lines of "brigandine" or whatever it's called or blue wolf when i get there. Not to sell but to use.
You're telling me S grade requires raid bosses and i understand that. I'll prolly need to look into that when i get to those levels but i have a lot of time between here and then.
I can't keep a connection up long enough to sell anything at a sell shop so i'm stuck using buy shops and the prices there just arent the same. That's why i talked about auction houses.
My goal here is to be able to provide for my own needs. I don't like relying on others.
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so I do highly suggest that you join a clan or clan academy. Also there are ways that the game helps you like beng able to upgrade your weapons to better weapons at certain shops (just lower lvl to D grade I believe) as well as tne new shadow weapons (essentially it allows you to buy weapons that degrade but it does allow you to get higher lvl stuff.)
Listen, it's a hard game and it does require you to be proactive. Though I also had the disconnect problem, I don't seem to get this anymore (unless the server goes down) so it might be better for you.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
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I wish you well, I just hope that you don't burn out before you work out that L2 is all about relying on others
Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
The Reckless Knight
Lunatris
Do yourself a favor and start with 1 month for a test.
DO NOT get a subscription unless you find yourself hooked to this game.
(I pulled the plug recently on the first of my 3 accounts. And I have seen alot as a first release subscriber.)
Scavenger eh... Well you can try to outsell mister and miss bot-alot ofcourse, I guess....
Just look before you jump in.
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I've checked some crafting tables.
I thought i would get the mats for the stuff i wanted easily and by the level i can use them. Brig helm key mats drop off some 40 mob and only 1/200. No spoils drop em.
So much for lineage, i guess i'd be stuck playing wow again.
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Don't feel or give in to the feeling that you have to be in top grade as soon as you hit that grade or that using armor or weapon that is slightly less quality will seriously gimp you. Especially as you start out and move through C and B grade.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Just get into an academy and ask for an Oath set for D grade, and focus on getting a composite armor when you reach ~50 (i'd get a decent C grade weapon before to farm faster) Mats required to craft brigandine parts can go over 2M perfectly, for that money you'd be better getting a good C grade armor.
As the previous poster said, don't focus on getting top grade as soon as you reach the level, you can do 1-30 with no grade, and now, with all the shadow weapons and what not, you can easy get to 40 without spending money that you will need later on. Don't rush selling mats also, you'll always find a better shop, or even better, a higher demand, or you could always save them for you to use later on. Do the quests that give soulshots, they will ease your trip a lot, and, check if there are quests for wherever you're hunting, i know they don't give too much, but at lower levels they sure help you a bit.
No, it's impossible or just completely not worth the effort to "solo" L2. Unless you buy adena with RL cash and use that to get your gear. The grind is far too insane, and that's just to get to 7x...after76+...even in a perfect group in the perfect spawn, you'll crawl at a phenominal 0.5%/hour if you're lucky. If you have a buff pet train, and some mages, you could go to town and push 2%...but yea...that isnt soloing,,,
Hi, welcome to Lineage 2. Whether you know it or not you have just identified the single largest flaw in L2's design: material drop rates. I won't grind my axe but instead offer a suggestion...
Join an academy and look into the manor system. Don't bother with a scav unless you intend to get high level with it.
there are ways that the game helps you like beng able to upgrade your weapons to better weapons at certain shops , so please come back and play with us.
I currently have 17 days left on my canceled wow subscription. Then my CoH subscription is set to renew in 27 days. I'm still playing wow sometimes but i'm mainly playing CoH. Not sure if i actually want to put money on another wow month or not atm. If i don't i'd prolly get a month in L2 for when CoH isn't working for me.
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I can't belive this game. I come back get a few levels then decide to craft a leather helm to upgrade to wooden for the set. So i go out, spoil for key mats, 1 hour, 3 mats. Ok, then i need 5 more suede, i had 10 already, somehow and the skin too. 1 hour, i got 2.
Is this supposed to happen to ppl starting out, still deciding if they like the game or not? That helm is a freaking level one craft. Not even a good one, you buy better stuff at the store in half the time it takes you to farm the mats for this crap.
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Ok, first off, stop it with the crafting. No one does lvl 1 crafting.
If you want to be a crafter you should just lvl up as quickly as possible to lvl 2 crafting. But keep in mind that crafting in this game is not like other games. It's a huge time investment. And you can even fail quite a bit at higher lvls.
You are not having a good experience I think and I think it's because you are not clear as to what this game is about and our role here.
So, throw away all preconceived notions from other games.
Grind up to lvl 20, go to dion, meet people, join a clan. This is a pvp game and you need a good group beind you.
If you want to do anything with lower lvl crafting (20+) I suggest roling a scavenger then gettiing mats. Otherwise all anyone is going to want from you is D grade shots and mayb things like course bone powder.
But low, 1st lvl craft? No one does this. To be honest no one ever really did it for long. Maybe a small bit in prelude. However, I thini it would help us to know how you see yourself in this game and what you want to do.
Otherwise I suspect that you are approaching L2 like EQ2 or woW or LOTRO or something like that. If you are doing that you are going to be very very dissapointed.
edit: ok I"m back. Have some time and I've looked over your previous posts. You are a former WoW and CoH player. those are both casual games with more integrated systems when it comes to their gameplay elements.
Lineage 2 is the successor of LIneage which was essentially supposed to be a bit Diablo like. It has its roots in Korean grind games. If the game is 4 years old then know that its develpoment started 3 years prior.
It harkens back to a more old school type of gameplay. At the start ot the game there were people who crafted but there were more people who were grinding as much as possible to get out of no grade. This being a pvp game it makes no sense to stay in lower lvls. The higher the lvl the more powerful you are.
So my question to you is whether or not you are interested in the pvp portion of this game. If you have your heart set on crafting you have to join a clan. You HAVE TO. Because you are going to need their help in getting mats, killing mobs that you have to sweep (if you are a scavenger) helping to lvl you more quickly because dwarves lvl slowly.
Any good, active clan is going to lvl their dwarves as you are an asset.
But keep in mind, as I've stated before, crafting is involved. Thousands of mats, recipes that are rare, fail rates on higher lvl items (where you get nothign back). Heck, try going to Dino Island and grinding there for a few weeks for recipes. The xp sucks and it is hard. Those things travel in packs and are aggro. You can't do it alone. You need a clan.
If you are looking for an involved experience where you have to put a lot of effort into it for reward then L2 is for you. If you are looking to have fun on a casual basis (nothing wrong with that, believe me) or you are looking for systems that modern games have that make sense to the modern player then L2 will seem like a bit of a throwback. However they have gone a long way to make the new player experience much eaiser. Newbie buffs, upgrading weapons, the blessing of protection so you can't be pk'ed by someone 10+ lvls higher than you.
This is so much easier than before, please believe me.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I just want to see how far i'll get. The plan was to make a scavenger and sell mats and get enough money doing that to buy stuff. Except i'm trying to sell some of my stuff in Giran right now and it's just not selling. And on top of that if i actually leave my shop up and leave the game on it's own i'll get disconnected. I have a petition up with support right now and i hope it's just some toggle on their side labled "annoy target player with random disconnects" which they can turn off. Prolly isn't...
I'm told selling stuff has it's good and bad days. So far i'm having a bad day and i don't have much to compare it to.
Right now someone gave me top ng heavy gear and i got mostly elven jewelry set. I have the shadow weapon coupons and those should last me for a while. In a while i'll need to upgrade weapon and armor to d grade tho. Clan oath would be nice...
I got level one in the overhit mace attack to try it out. Which would cost less in shots, poles or maces?
Right now i have about 80k at 20.
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Look around. Is anyone else selling it? if they are, how much?
Also, to give you and idea of how it has "gone before". My first clan leader and I, when we first started the game (at pre 20) pickd 3 money makin quests in the Dark elf village and ran them for an entire Saturday.
Making money in this game take dedication. You need to understand the market just a little bit. find out what people are selling, see if there are buy shops. At the start you might have to sell to player shops.
Find any money making quests in the areas you are hunting at.
Andy plesae, please join a clan or clan academy.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
WRT the market, logically more ppl have time to play over the weekends, so you will see an increase in shops and variety. Depending on "whats hot and what's not" on your server you will see price hikes for the items in demand and a price drop on the stuff thats not as raw numbers will drive the prices accordingly. Certain items which are constantly in demand due to their consumable nature will not go down in price unless the seller is desperate for fast cash.
As I wrote previously you can upgrade your D grade weapon through the Blacksmith of Mammon found wandering the different Catacombs (the Merchant wanders the Necropoli) so you can purchase/craft or otherwise "inherit" the base D grade weapon and upgrade it as you can afford it using AA. This also works in C grade and potentially into B grade for duals. The limitation is that you will have to spend a fair bit of your time in the Catas/Necros to get the AA.
If you like Clan Oath armour then the way forward should be obvious, and for 782 D Crystals its a reasonably priced solution. A lot of this depends on the price of D crystals on your server and what Brig helms sell for, however considering what various posters have cited as the average prices on their server, Clan Oath is still the cheapest option for D grade armour.
WRT pure melee efficiency of shots to DPS then pole arms leave all other weapons way behind. However, they require certain pre-requisites, the most blindingly obvious one being a party
In terms of basic progression, if you are a die hard casual/soloer then buy a bow. From 1-20 there is no better weapon. Don't bother with maces, swords or daggers as they only slow you down. Past 20 however, the various masteries available to players are calculated into the overall progression equation, so mobs begin to develop various traits and resistances. The game changes significantly and what works for sub 20 will not do so later on. You must adapt to whatever your chosen class is. If you have an Archer or a DD then you can happily solo into the mid 30's before things start to slow down for you. After 40 things pick up with new skills and just seesaw as you go through the "power levels" where you get new/increased skills. Gear makes a lot of difference for solo play as well. Not as crucial in parties.
IF you can string together a group with at least 2-3 other players one of whom can be a healer/buffer, then get a pole arm for everyone and hit the dungeons. Pull small trains as the baseline pole arm mastery will not let you hit more than 2 mobs at a time, however, when there is a few of you poling along the mobs go down quickly. The healer should be able to spot heal, but this tactic relies on spamming potions to compensate the heals. Experimentation, player skill and knowledge of the game will best discern the size of the train for your group...
The savings come with being able to hit/kill 2 mobs for the price of one SS. This is the reason melee AoE IS THE BEST way to level any MELEE characters. It gets better as your polearm masteries improve. To give u an idea of how awesome this is, one of our recent recruits rocketed from 65 to 74 in a matter of weeks of regular playing in the Forge of the Gods, and she was still getting 1% per pull at 74, wich averaged out at 4-5% per buff round, you do the math... We were only limited by the reset on skills for our pole party, which thanks to a lv 79 WC were resetting almost as soon as we had managed to kill the train. (Not only that, with the torches obtained through the related quest she was able to craft her Arcana Mace (S Grade weapon) well ahead of 76.)
Once again thats just one option which was open to us based on the specific classes which were available. There may be better or different approaches for different polearm classes.
If nothing else form a purely statistical point of view the non stop drop rate from AoE parties VASTLY exceeds the income which you can derive from soloing.
Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
The Reckless Knight
Lunatris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLH0GNc2zDQ
This will prolly convince you either way better than any word. :P
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
edit: ups i forgot to mention that when i end up with that i haven't used soulshot's or spirtshout's when i hunt, and i haven't spend time on working the market either
Nice video, fun to watch but you don't actually learn about hte economy and stuff there.
i think she's 29 now and she has about 1.4m but 800k of that is some horns i sold so that part doesnt really count. I still have a party mask i could sell.
Atm trying to get partial blue wolf for my glad, not sure how much she has left but prolly not enough for chest and legs. Also i don't see any unenchanted out there (if any). Those philosopher stomes made a a few coins bact then.
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