My biggest complaint is that the content was bland and lacking.
I suffered through the falling through the world bugs and the spontaneous death of my bard at chunk line bugs plus tons of others because I hoped they had more of a game in development but as they cut staff I realized it was about as good as it would ever get.
Solo adventuring is really boring in this game, no interesting quests you can do solo. Grouping was good at times but there were few groups except at the most popular spots and I was part of so many guilds that fell apart.
Crafting was as boring as hell, diplomacy was worse and it was a real let down because they talked about a regional trade system based on diplomacy before release that sounded like it would be cool. It evaporated, like so many good ideas they had before release. What you have left is a typical mmo with nothing that distinguishes itself as new or innovative.
My biggest complaint is the fact that i cant read any forums about vanguard without reading 1000's of posts from SWG vets that have some agenda against sony Trying to convince people not to play it
Other than that its the best game out there by far ,which isnt saying much because all mmo's are grinding boring and so repetative its sickening i dont see War or Aoc bringing anything different to the table either more of the same shit , different pile about ready to give up on mmo's myself
I just love when a SOE subscriber comes along a perfectly valid thread detailing specific examples about the game they frequent and then summarily dismisses everything said by deflecting the problem to some other issue. Then it gets topped off with "best game on the market" as if they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else.
Anyway, I never sub or purchase the game unlike the person with an unvalid complains. Personnally, I was looking for a game which give every reward inside a gameplay involving 5-8 players or less in PvE at all moment...and I mean ALL rewards, not missing anything. Vanguard is not that game, and it never will be.
EQ teaches me that any compromise is bad. Considering it is becoming an old game with extreme lack of developpment and support; I rather focus on games with "support".
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I just love when a SOE subscriber comes along a perfectly valid thread detailing specific examples about the game they frequent and then summarily dismisses everything said by deflecting the problem to some other issue. Then it gets topped off with "best game on the market" as if they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else.
It never fails.
Its the best game on the market for me , would you like my post more if i whined because i fell through the world 4 or 5 times or found a few broken quests or god forbid lagged a little bit once in a while , bud ive played other games i havent seen anything wrong with vanguard that i havent seen in any other mmo out there
I'm ok with Vanguard being the best MMO on the market for you, but that isn't exactly the tone your other post had is it?
Comparing Vanguards quality to the rest of the market as being equal is shady. Yes I can find many of the bugs in Vanguard in many other MMOs. I can say this however, I experienced more bugs in Vanguard in a few nights than I have in many games the entire time I was playing them with the longest being measured in years. I think by the massive exodus of players that many people shared similar experiences. You seem very fortunate to be one of the people having almost no problems with the game at all.
I'm ok with Vanguard being the best MMO on the market for you, but that isn't exactly the tone your other post had is it? Comparing Vanguards quality to the rest of the market as being equal is shady. Yes I can find many of the bugs in Vanguard in many other MMOs. I can say this however, I experienced more bugs in Vanguard in a few nights than I have in many games the entire time I was playing them with the longest being measured in years. I think by the massive exodus of players that many people shared similar experiences. You seem very fortunate to be one of the people having almost no problems with the game at all.
Save your breath there bud i dont live in a fantasy world where every other game out there is perfect I guess because i played WoW before vanguard , vanguards minor little bugs dont bother me
Lets see in a 3 month period when blizzard put a fear bug into there game , i fell through the world more in one day of AB battleground than i have sence day 1 of Vanguard. Ok lets times that by the 3 months it took blizzard to fix it , because they let it slide till thier next patch no hot fix Now because this was before cross server BG's i waited over 1 1/2 hours to get into that game only to get feared and fall though the world boom kicked out of bg
So in that 3 months blizzard wasted countless hours of my time because i was doing the grand marshal grind i was running bgs all day and half the night
Ok how about the bug blizzard introduced that locked up my rogues and warriors abilities forget what caused it but my rogues abilities would lock up and i couldnt use any of them untill i detargeted and retargeted ok i was doing the grand marshal grind than absolutly a game killer for a rogue in pvp yes detargeting made me lose my combo points at the time not that it matter by the time you figured out you where locked up you where dead anyways
Once again blizzard let it slide till there next patch so that was another 3 or was it close to 4 months of trying to maintain my honor with a totaly broken character
lets add all the time ive spent sitting at the authentication screen trying for hours and hours to get on to my server and lets add all the days when server lag was so bad you couldnt even use a vendor proberly let alone xp or run bgs oh ya you could play the game with a 15 second delay to everything you did if you wanted lets add all the time my character was stuck in the loot lag position
Lets add all the times i got CTD and had to sit in a 45 minute que to get back on my server when i just finished waiting through the same que
So you see Daffid vanguard does have bugs forsure but not one of them has ever cost me any play time ever , in fact there rather minor compared to the bugs i was seeing in WOW and really i could play any mmo on the market right now and get a list of bugs and crap except LoTR because man that game is fricken gay i couldn't get past level 6 so i didnt play long enough to see any bugs
In my opinion VG does have more bugs then other AAA games. Certainly significantly more then EQ2 and Wow.
Fortunately however the size of the bugs has decreased a lot since the game launched and most of the current bugs are graphical, or quests which are pretty easy to work around if you are tollerant. Gameplay bugs have become far more rare which is a good thing.
Well it would just seem that you are on the polar opposite of mosts peoples experiences in the MMOs you have played now wouldn't it.
If you look hard enough in every bowl of cheerios you will find one that isn't shaped like an O.
Maybe you should stroll over to the offical WOW forums and have a look and see there daffid you wont have to look to hard to find people having all kinds of stuff happening from the ones i mentioned to bg lag so bad there unplayable
Ya for the most part wow ran totally awesome but it had its moments and lots of them if you played it regularly for any length of time you would know that , they where alot more annoying than anything ive experanced in vanguard
My major complaint is actually the time you spend ingame just looking for things because the game gives you rarely an indication where to start (they are fixing this though at the time and making improvements). So yes, I also agree that with GU5 the game is there where it should have been at launch.
My major complaint is actually the time you spend ingame just looking for things because the game gives you rarely an indication where to start (they are fixing this though at the time and making improvements). So yes, I also agree that with GU5 the game is there where it should have been at launch.
There is a UI mod called infomap that helps, it was just updated on 28 March.
I've been playing WoW for over 2 years and had no problems that I didn't cause myself with mods or system tweaking save the very very rare minor issue. Industry wide the game is considered one of, if not The, best made MMOs by gamers and industry sites alike. Vanguard has had the opposite reputation with negative reports of stability, performance, bugs, etc. Sure all games have issues, some are the fault of the end users system and some are the game engine.
Which is why I say you are the rarity in your experiences and nothing like the norm with your experiences in both games when compared to the masses.
Kudos to you for having a near flawless experience in VG as you say, but that doesn't mean anyone having the opposite experience is a disgruntled SWG vet.
Im not trying to start a war with the prior subscribers to this game. And please note.....prior subscribers. Not those that have never paid one day in Vanguard or decided to base their opinion off a review. How bad is this game to you? Really what put you over the edge to not give it a chance or see through your little gripe or a few bugs. What caused you to log in for the first time, love everything about the game, not notice some bugs, read some reviews or forum complaints and decide and start changing your opinion of the game? What bugs put you over the edge. I want you to name some. Hardware glitches, some performance issues? You go buy a game like crysis, COD4 or anything new at that and you cant run at full settings. SO what do you do? You lower them right? Cause damn if your not going to get you 50.00 dollars worth. You compensate... thats what you do. Aside from some performance issues, a few bugs, I yet have to hear about; does it take that little to keep you from a game that by far has more potenial that any game out there? Grpahics a 9 perhaps a 10 if you have the hardware, depth and uniqueness cant touch, bar none. If all your friends were playing it, you bet your arse you'd be playing it right along with them. How many of you started with a bunch a friends and you have one influential friend who leaves with the rest of the crowd and you follow? Honestly tell me that Vanguard gave you back what you desired for a moment, but you never stayed focused long enough to see the genious of the game it really is...
ps...how many of you keep coming back after a patch and some good reviews.. Admit it you want it to be your perfect little MMO, but never will. Look at EQ how screwed up it was... and BAM...biggest MMO ever... peace.
I can honestly tell you what I feel about Vanguard. I have no idea what state the game is although I do care enough to check the VG forums now and again to see how the game is doing. I really wanted to enjoy this game, I took a week off work to play at release as a matter of fact. (ugh even bought the special edition) I beta tested for a while and even made an effort to play different races, classes and give accurate report card reviews.
Reading your post I get the feeling you didn't beta or play at release. It's either that or you're way too fanboy over this game to see the big picture. You sugar coat your words by saying things like "a few bugs" VG was overwhelmed with them at release and weeks+ afterwards. Broken quests, lag issues, typing /stuck like 5x a gaming session. I have a solid computer that pretty much runs any game I throw at it on medium settings or higher, with VG I had everything as low as it could go most of the time and still had problems. Hell, cities like Khal were a slide show on my screen.
I was part of the few that defended VG over and over on these very forums. "It's getting better guys" "Every patch I see big improvements" "Hey there's going to be flying mounts" "You've got the freedom to do anything, what's better than that?" So many promises were made and so little was delivered. Can you even wear your helm yet and see it? I mean seriously, it's not that big of a deal to the game but it's the point of it.
Plain and simple, Vanguard will limp along until it's bled to death due to the competition. WoW steamrolls forward, AoC releasing soon, WAR soon after and games like Aion and such in the picture how can VG survive? As anyone who plays MMO's knows games come and go and when new ones release people flock to them. How the hell is VG going to lure any serious amount of subs from the big guys? Ever hear the phrase "You never get a second chance to make a first impression"? Many of us came to VG, tried it out, suffered with it for a few months and left. How can you blame us? Let me throw another old expression your way "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" VG got my money for the game and a few months of play time. Will they get any more? Probably not.
I find the fact that you're sitting in your tower pointing fingers at prior subscribers for bailing on VG a little sickening. Prior subs not staying "focused long enough to see the genious (the rest of us spell it "genius") of the game it really is..." Maybe you should do a little more research before you rant and avoid being made to look foolish by people who lived through that mess of a release.
"Hey there's going to be flying mounts" "You've got the freedom to do anything, what's better than that?" So many promises were made and so little was delivered. Can you even wear your helm yet and see it?
Yes...these two items were fixed...and then added new issues like less control of how your character looks, and various visual glitches with your characters (like no eyelids, and getting BUG eyes, and holes in various types of clothing)
I will say performance has totally been improved...but, it still has several other problems..
The point is...things are getting fixed, and then new problems appear. I am unsure if this game has long..I guess the die hards will play, and hope they fix the issues like they did with EQ2...
For now...EQ2 is a way better game in my opinion...even with IT's problems...lol
For what its worth I'd agree that as things are currently eq2 is a better game all around.
That said I think VG has soo much more potential I'd ship all the devs on eq2 to the vg team and really focus on putting the effort into VG to make it the game it could be.
Spot on Ethion and that might just actually work if there is still any of the real talent left on the EQ2 team. I'm not familiar with who left SOE, but do recall seeing so some of the bigger names depart. Really thinking about it, if SOE did commit that many devs to the game it might just be what a game needs to be reborn and have a chance at getting to that potential.
It is to much of a gamble though so I don't expect SOE to do anything near that degree, even though Vanguard has far more potential to become a bigger game than EQ2 ever will.
It is to much of a gamble though so I don't expect SOE to do anything near that degree, even though Vanguard has far more potential to become a bigger game than EQ2 ever will.
I've been playing WoW for over 2 years and had no problems that I didn't cause myself with mods or system tweaking save the very very rare minor issue. Industry wide the game is considered one of, if not The, best made MMOs by gamers and industry sites alike. Vanguard has had the opposite reputation with negative reports of stability, performance, bugs, etc. Sure all games have issues, some are the fault of the end users system and some are the game engine. Which is why I say you are the rarity in your experiences and nothing like the norm with your experiences in both games when compared to the masses. Kudos to you for having a near flawless experience in VG as you say, but that doesn't mean anyone having the opposite experience is a disgruntled SWG vet.
Your full of it , go take a look at the front page of blizzards general forums theres 30 posts on the first page about people not been able to log on to there servers, about been stuck at autentication page for hours and hours trying to log in. Ya suppose its thier mods too hey
Funny ive never had to wait up to 2 days to get on my server in vanguard after there maintenance when i played WOW they couldnt even patch in there holiday content without borking there servers for 3 or 4 days Me and my wife dreaded the holidays because we know the server lag would make the game unplayable That was after WoW had been out for about a year and a half so about the same age vanguard is now
No my experience in vanguard hasnt been flawless by any means but not once have i not been able to log in and play the game am paying a monthly fee for . Now WoW on the other hand there was plenty of times when my family couldnt even log onto our server for up to 2 days sometimes and that was after there tuesday maintenace , no patch no nothing
All take the minor little bugs i run into in vanguard anyday over the crap i use to put up with in WOW. People put up with stuff becauase they like the game the same reason i put up with the bugs in vanguard well the one or two bugs i actually ever run into, I cant even remember the last bug that affected me, think it was about 2 months ago when i traded with a guy and i CTD the moment i hit accept had it happen once never had it happen again. Oh and am retired i play vanguard more in 4 days than most of you devote to games in a month
I just couldn't play the game. Having played SWG for a number of years, I was quite used to bugs and issues. So I can't say that Vanguard's bugs made me quit the game... though there were a lot of them. The same one's that everyone else here is listing.
I just couldn't deal with the bugs AND the poor performance in conjunction with one another.
I think the game had potential. Let me rephrase: The game had potential prior to launch. Once the game launched in the state that it was, the poor delivery on those generated expectations simply created a different, increasingly more negative potential state for the game.
I wanted to like Vanguard.
I didn't pay $$$$$ for the game with an expectation of hating it.
If I pay for something, then I give it a good honest try. I tried. SOE needs to realize that there are other games out there. They may be trying to be the 'one stop shop' by offering many different titles and types of MMO's. But 'one stop shop' doesn't equal 'the only shop'.
SOE truly believes that people should stick around and continue to play their games (PAY TO PLAY) while they are in broken or in 'less than 100% working order'. It appears that way to me, anyway. I'm only making that statement based off of Star Wars Galaxies, Matrix Online, and Vanguard.
I should be playing games to have fun. I should be experiencing new content, combat systems, and the world of the new game... when I log in for that first time. I should log into a game wondering what new and cool thing will be introduced next.
I shouldn't log into a game with the expectation that I will have to deal with bugs, issues, and lowered system settings. I shoudn't wonder how many times I might crash to desk top this session. While all games have bugs, games shouldn't have so many bugs that their bugs are more popular than any portions of their game content could ever be.
I will try to be a little more clear with you Swede.
The overwhelming majority of players/reviews of WoW consider it one of the most technically sound MMOs made, if not the absolute first. On the other hand the overwhelming majority of VG players/reviews call out the massive technical issues the game has suffered.
That is why I say you are not representative of the typical experience and are somewhat of a rare situation to be completely honest.
Yes all games have issues with server downtime and patch issues and that includes WoW. WoW has 10 million people playing it so pointing out 30 posts on the front page after a patch day isn't surprising at all.
You picked a really weak point by bringing up forum posts considering the state of the Vanguard forums in comparison. There are a little over 14,000 posts discussing game play and another 1,000 talking about the VGplayers website. There are over 13,000 posts in just the support forums alone. Considering the forums only opened after SOE bought out the game and after the initial exodus of players that says something. There are almost more posts about technical issues than there are people talking about playing the game. Think about that.
You can try to dismiss all the negative responses to the game by blaming it on SWG players, but that just isn't the case now is it?
I will try to be a little more clear with you Swede. The overwhelming majority of players/reviews of WoW consider it one of the most technically sound MMOs made, if not the absolute first. On the other hand the overwhelming majority of VG players/reviews call out the massive technical issues the game has suffered. That is why I say you are not representative of the typical experience and are somewhat of a rare situation to be completely honest.
Yes all games have issues with server downtime and patch issues and that includes WoW. WoW has 10 million people playing it so pointing out 30 posts on the front page after a page day isn't surprising at all. You picked a really weak point by bringing up forums post considering the state of the Vanguard forums in comparison. There are a little over 14,000 posts discussing game play and another 1,000 talking about the VGplayers website. There are over 13,000 posts in just the support forums alone. Considering the forums only opened after SOE bought out the game and after the initial exodus of players that says something. There are almost more posts about technical issues that there are people talking about playing the game. Think about that. You can try to dismiss all the negative responses to the game by blaming it on SWG players, but that just isn't the case now is it?
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I will try to be a little more clear with you Swede. The overwhelming majority of players/reviews of WoW consider it one of the most technically sound MMOs made, if not the absolute first. On the other hand the overwhelming majority of VG players/reviews call out the massive technical issues the game has suffered. That is why I say you are not representative of the typical experience and are somewhat of a rare situation to be completely honest.
Yes all games have issues with server downtime and patch issues and that includes WoW. WoW has 10 million people playing it so pointing out 30 posts on the front page after a patch day isn't surprising at all. You picked a really weak point by bringing up forum posts considering the state of the Vanguard forums in comparison. There are a little over 14,000 posts discussing game play and another 1,000 talking about the VGplayers website. There are over 13,000 posts in just the support forums alone. Considering the forums only opened after SOE bought out the game and after the initial exodus of players that says something. There are almost more posts about technical issues than there are people talking about playing the game. Think about that. You can try to dismiss all the negative responses to the game by blaming it on SWG players, but that just isn't the case now is it?
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I dont have to think about anything Daffid , i play vanguard everyday i just dont see the bugs that you and other people say are so common about the only bug i get with now is the rare time i melee with my ranger and i get that target is out of line of sight , when its right in front of you
Now to me that's no different than when i played my rogue in WOW bg's and a warrior would smoke me down and i would get target is to far away even though he was damaging me and my rogue was practicly inside his body totally lame or having to hit sprint and run 15 to 20 feet ahead of a moving target to backstab him once again things that happened in every bg i played in
Now i probally got lucky and missed the worst of vanguards bugs because the first thing i do in any mmo is figure out what makes gold and thats what i do is make gold till i can buy whatever i want and not have to worry about money so for the first 4 months i mostly crafted only going out harvesting and a little xping when i was bored
Also the realease of vanguard was exactly the same time i upgraded my whole computer , monitor everything totally new and top of the line had nothing to do with vanguard i waited over a year for DX 10 cards to come out and when they did i built the best you good buy so i didnt have performance issues like alot of you kids
So when i hit level 50 crafter i started adventuring and i did find that when i started moving around the game alot my 8800GTX did crash alot ,so much that i did cancel and i went out and bought Burning crusade and played it for about 3 months till i got sick of running the same instances everyday Ya WOW ran awesome for me no doubt 150 FPS just about everywhere i went in the game never ran into any bugs or had any problems atall I didnt pvp because i was pretty sick of it after doing the grand marshal grind
So anyways i came back to vanguard about 7 months ago and ive crashed maybe 4 times fell through the world about 3 times no big deal i just appeared in the same spot i fell through alive after falling for 45 seconds or so and really ive havent ran into thing but minor little bugs like getting dismounted at a chunkline which is very rare oh and my nerco pets abilities would sometimes lock up after chunking big deal dismiss pet, respawn takes 15 seconds plus they fixed that in thier next update
Yes i have been lucky when it comes to vanguard wiether its my playstyle or whatever i dont know but i just dont have many problems with the game I read the forums and just shake my head and laugh it baffles me why i dont find all these bugs you people talk about when am retired and can play vanguard everyday as much as i want
Anyways wow at the same age as vanguard is now had alot more annoying little things about it than vanguard ever has for me
I actually agree with most of this, I guess I was lucky too. I didn't play at the begining which I think helps a lot when forimg an opinion of the game as it stands now. I suffer little or no problems during a play session.
But you only get 1 chance to make that first impression and the sheer number of people that still seem to post about their current issues tells me the enginge is not compatible enough with different types of hardware and drivers, (had my own problems with drivers) largely down to lack of coding time.
Now I'm no lover of WoW, I played it for over a year purely to play with friends, I don't hate the game (I do however hate the graphics and art direction) it just isn't my thing. For me VG has probably the most jaw dropping engine out there it just needed more dev time. Imo they should have done a Hero's Journey and pimped it out to get more funding to complete the thing before release.
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For what its worth I'd agree that as things are currently eq2 is a better game all around. That said I think VG has soo much more potential I'd ship all the devs on eq2 to the vg team and really focus on putting the effort into VG to make it the game it could be.
EQ2 is a better game.
I play Vg because i want to discover areas, try to create something "interesting" (boat ?) with the crafting... And i'll stop my sub. Will be on VG next month then I think another one but won't be in VG next year for sure !
Worst of all , VG is a farming game. Can't bear killing same mob 30X times. It's a nightmare.
Solo content is boring (except for diplomacy) but only play solo ( played 1 time with another player)
because ... we are few players...
Areas are impressive, music is great, lot of classes of races etc but too much grind/farm for me.
1H of VG /1 week of EQ2. Can't play more VG, but I "need" to see and discover before cancelling. I''m an "explorer" t'hats why i need to see ...
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My biggest complaint is that the content was bland and lacking.
I suffered through the falling through the world bugs and the spontaneous death of my bard at chunk line bugs plus tons of others because I hoped they had more of a game in development but as they cut staff I realized it was about as good as it would ever get.
Solo adventuring is really boring in this game, no interesting quests you can do solo. Grouping was good at times but there were few groups except at the most popular spots and I was part of so many guilds that fell apart.
Crafting was as boring as hell, diplomacy was worse and it was a real let down because they talked about a regional trade system based on diplomacy before release that sounded like it would be cool. It evaporated, like so many good ideas they had before release. What you have left is a typical mmo with nothing that distinguishes itself as new or innovative.
My biggest complaint is the fact that i cant read any forums about vanguard without reading 1000's of posts from SWG vets that have some agenda against sony Trying to convince people not to play it
Other than that its the best game out there by far ,which isnt saying much because all mmo's are grinding boring and so repetative its sickening i dont see War or Aoc bringing anything different to the table either more of the same shit , different pile about ready to give up on mmo's myself
I just love when a SOE subscriber comes along a perfectly valid thread detailing specific examples about the game they frequent and then summarily dismisses everything said by deflecting the problem to some other issue. Then it gets topped off with "best game on the market" as if they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else.
It never fails.
Feels like SOE. :P
Anyway, I never sub or purchase the game unlike the person with an unvalid complains. Personnally, I was looking for a game which give every reward inside a gameplay involving 5-8 players or less in PvE at all moment...and I mean ALL rewards, not missing anything. Vanguard is not that game, and it never will be.
EQ teaches me that any compromise is bad. Considering it is becoming an old game with extreme lack of developpment and support; I rather focus on games with "support".
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Its the best game on the market for me , would you like my post more if i whined because i fell through the world 4 or 5 times or found a few broken quests or god forbid lagged a little bit once in a while , bud ive played other games i havent seen anything wrong with vanguard that i havent seen in any other mmo out there
I'm ok with Vanguard being the best MMO on the market for you, but that isn't exactly the tone your other post had is it?
Comparing Vanguards quality to the rest of the market as being equal is shady. Yes I can find many of the bugs in Vanguard in many other MMOs. I can say this however, I experienced more bugs in Vanguard in a few nights than I have in many games the entire time I was playing them with the longest being measured in years. I think by the massive exodus of players that many people shared similar experiences. You seem very fortunate to be one of the people having almost no problems with the game at all.
Lets see in a 3 month period when blizzard put a fear bug into there game , i fell through the world more in one day of AB battleground than i have sence day 1 of Vanguard. Ok lets times that by the 3 months it took blizzard to fix it , because they let it slide till thier next patch no hot fix Now because this was before cross server BG's i waited over 1 1/2 hours to get into that game only to get feared and fall though the world boom kicked out of bg
So in that 3 months blizzard wasted countless hours of my time because i was doing the grand marshal grind i was running bgs all day and half the night
Ok how about the bug blizzard introduced that locked up my rogues and warriors abilities forget what caused it but my rogues abilities would lock up and i couldnt use any of them untill i detargeted and retargeted ok i was doing the grand marshal grind than absolutly a game killer for a rogue in pvp yes detargeting made me lose my combo points at the time not that it matter by the time you figured out you where locked up you where dead anyways
Once again blizzard let it slide till there next patch so that was another 3 or was it close to 4 months of trying to maintain my honor with a totaly broken character
lets add all the time ive spent sitting at the authentication screen trying for hours and hours to get on to my server and lets add all the days when server lag was so bad you couldnt even use a vendor proberly let alone xp or run bgs oh ya you could play the game with a 15 second delay to everything you did if you wanted lets add all the time my character was stuck in the loot lag position
Lets add all the times i got CTD and had to sit in a 45 minute que to get back on my server when i just finished waiting through the same que
So you see Daffid vanguard does have bugs forsure but not one of them has ever cost me any play time ever , in fact there rather minor compared to the bugs i was seeing in WOW and really i could play any mmo on the market right now and get a list of bugs and crap except LoTR because man that game is fricken gay i couldn't get past level 6 so i didnt play long enough to see any bugs
Well it would just seem that you are on the polar opposite of mosts peoples experiences in the MMOs you have played now wouldn't it.
If you look hard enough in every bowl of cheerios you will find one that isn't shaped like an O.
In my opinion VG does have more bugs then other AAA games. Certainly significantly more then EQ2 and Wow.
Fortunately however the size of the bugs has decreased a lot since the game launched and most of the current bugs are graphical, or quests which are pretty easy to work around if you are tollerant. Gameplay bugs have become far more rare which is a good thing.
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Ya for the most part wow ran totally awesome but it had its moments and lots of them if you played it regularly for any length of time you would know that , they where alot more annoying than anything ive experanced in vanguard
My major complaint is actually the time you spend ingame just looking for things because the game gives you rarely an indication where to start (they are fixing this though at the time and making improvements). So yes, I also agree that with GU5 the game is there where it should have been at launch.
There is a UI mod called infomap that helps, it was just updated on 28 March.
vanguard.tentonhammer.com/index.php
I've been playing WoW for over 2 years and had no problems that I didn't cause myself with mods or system tweaking save the very very rare minor issue. Industry wide the game is considered one of, if not The, best made MMOs by gamers and industry sites alike. Vanguard has had the opposite reputation with negative reports of stability, performance, bugs, etc. Sure all games have issues, some are the fault of the end users system and some are the game engine.
Which is why I say you are the rarity in your experiences and nothing like the norm with your experiences in both games when compared to the masses.
Kudos to you for having a near flawless experience in VG as you say, but that doesn't mean anyone having the opposite experience is a disgruntled SWG vet.
Reading your post I get the feeling you didn't beta or play at release. It's either that or you're way too fanboy over this game to see the big picture. You sugar coat your words by saying things like "a few bugs" VG was overwhelmed with them at release and weeks+ afterwards. Broken quests, lag issues, typing /stuck like 5x a gaming session. I have a solid computer that pretty much runs any game I throw at it on medium settings or higher, with VG I had everything as low as it could go most of the time and still had problems. Hell, cities like Khal were a slide show on my screen.
I was part of the few that defended VG over and over on these very forums. "It's getting better guys" "Every patch I see big improvements" "Hey there's going to be flying mounts" "You've got the freedom to do anything, what's better than that?" So many promises were made and so little was delivered. Can you even wear your helm yet and see it? I mean seriously, it's not that big of a deal to the game but it's the point of it.
Plain and simple, Vanguard will limp along until it's bled to death due to the competition. WoW steamrolls forward, AoC releasing soon, WAR soon after and games like Aion and such in the picture how can VG survive? As anyone who plays MMO's knows games come and go and when new ones release people flock to them. How the hell is VG going to lure any serious amount of subs from the big guys? Ever hear the phrase "You never get a second chance to make a first impression"? Many of us came to VG, tried it out, suffered with it for a few months and left. How can you blame us? Let me throw another old expression your way "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" VG got my money for the game and a few months of play time. Will they get any more? Probably not.
I find the fact that you're sitting in your tower pointing fingers at prior subscribers for bailing on VG a little sickening. Prior subs not staying "focused long enough to see the genious (the rest of us spell it "genius") of the game it really is..." Maybe you should do a little more research before you rant and avoid being made to look foolish by people who lived through that mess of a release.
I will say performance has totally been improved...but, it still has several other problems..
The point is...things are getting fixed, and then new problems appear. I am unsure if this game has long..I guess the die hards will play, and hope they fix the issues like they did with EQ2...
For now...EQ2 is a way better game in my opinion...even with IT's problems...lol
For what its worth I'd agree that as things are currently eq2 is a better game all around.
That said I think VG has soo much more potential I'd ship all the devs on eq2 to the vg team and really focus on putting the effort into VG to make it the game it could be.
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Spot on Ethion and that might just actually work if there is still any of the real talent left on the EQ2 team. I'm not familiar with who left SOE, but do recall seeing so some of the bigger names depart. Really thinking about it, if SOE did commit that many devs to the game it might just be what a game needs to be reborn and have a chance at getting to that potential.
It is to much of a gamble though so I don't expect SOE to do anything near that degree, even though Vanguard has far more potential to become a bigger game than EQ2 ever will.
Funny ive never had to wait up to 2 days to get on my server in vanguard after there maintenance when i played WOW they couldnt even patch in there holiday content without borking there servers for 3 or 4 days Me and my wife dreaded the holidays because we know the server lag would make the game unplayable That was after WoW had been out for about a year and a half so about the same age vanguard is now
No my experience in vanguard hasnt been flawless by any means but not once have i not been able to log in and play the game am paying a monthly fee for . Now WoW on the other hand there was plenty of times when my family couldnt even log onto our server for up to 2 days sometimes and that was after there tuesday maintenace , no patch no nothing
All take the minor little bugs i run into in vanguard anyday over the crap i use to put up with in WOW. People put up with stuff becauase they like the game the same reason i put up with the bugs in vanguard well the one or two bugs i actually ever run into, I cant even remember the last bug that affected me, think it was about 2 months ago when i traded with a guy and i CTD the moment i hit accept had it happen once never had it happen again. Oh and am retired i play vanguard more in 4 days than most of you devote to games in a month
I tried Vanguard.
I just couldn't play the game. Having played SWG for a number of years, I was quite used to bugs and issues. So I can't say that Vanguard's bugs made me quit the game... though there were a lot of them. The same one's that everyone else here is listing.
I just couldn't deal with the bugs AND the poor performance in conjunction with one another.
I think the game had potential. Let me rephrase: The game had potential prior to launch. Once the game launched in the state that it was, the poor delivery on those generated expectations simply created a different, increasingly more negative potential state for the game.
I wanted to like Vanguard.
I didn't pay $$$$$ for the game with an expectation of hating it.
If I pay for something, then I give it a good honest try. I tried. SOE needs to realize that there are other games out there. They may be trying to be the 'one stop shop' by offering many different titles and types of MMO's. But 'one stop shop' doesn't equal 'the only shop'.
SOE truly believes that people should stick around and continue to play their games (PAY TO PLAY) while they are in broken or in 'less than 100% working order'. It appears that way to me, anyway. I'm only making that statement based off of Star Wars Galaxies, Matrix Online, and Vanguard.
I should be playing games to have fun. I should be experiencing new content, combat systems, and the world of the new game... when I log in for that first time. I should log into a game wondering what new and cool thing will be introduced next.
I shouldn't log into a game with the expectation that I will have to deal with bugs, issues, and lowered system settings. I shoudn't wonder how many times I might crash to desk top this session. While all games have bugs, games shouldn't have so many bugs that their bugs are more popular than any portions of their game content could ever be.
I will try to be a little more clear with you Swede.
The overwhelming majority of players/reviews of WoW consider it one of the most technically sound MMOs made, if not the absolute first. On the other hand the overwhelming majority of VG players/reviews call out the massive technical issues the game has suffered.
That is why I say you are not representative of the typical experience and are somewhat of a rare situation to be completely honest.
Yes all games have issues with server downtime and patch issues and that includes WoW. WoW has 10 million people playing it so pointing out 30 posts on the front page after a patch day isn't surprising at all.
You picked a really weak point by bringing up forum posts considering the state of the Vanguard forums in comparison. There are a little over 14,000 posts discussing game play and another 1,000 talking about the VGplayers website. There are over 13,000 posts in just the support forums alone. Considering the forums only opened after SOE bought out the game and after the initial exodus of players that says something. There are almost more posts about technical issues than there are people talking about playing the game. Think about that.
You can try to dismiss all the negative responses to the game by blaming it on SWG players, but that just isn't the case now is it?
Edit: gramartard.
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao-Tze
Now to me that's no different than when i played my rogue in WOW bg's and a warrior would smoke me down and i would get target is to far away even though he was damaging me and my rogue was practicly inside his body totally lame or having to hit sprint and run 15 to 20 feet ahead of a moving target to backstab him once again things that happened in every bg i played in
Now i probally got lucky and missed the worst of vanguards bugs because the first thing i do in any mmo is figure out what makes gold and thats what i do is make gold till i can buy whatever i want and not have to worry about money so for the first 4 months i mostly crafted only going out harvesting and a little xping when i was bored
Also the realease of vanguard was exactly the same time i upgraded my whole computer , monitor everything totally new and top of the line had nothing to do with vanguard i waited over a year for DX 10 cards to come out and when they did i built the best you good buy so i didnt have performance issues like alot of you kids
So when i hit level 50 crafter i started adventuring and i did find that when i started moving around the game alot my 8800GTX did crash alot ,so much that i did cancel and i went out and bought Burning crusade and played it for about 3 months till i got sick of running the same instances everyday Ya WOW ran awesome for me no doubt 150 FPS just about everywhere i went in the game never ran into any bugs or had any problems atall I didnt pvp because i was pretty sick of it after doing the grand marshal grind
So anyways i came back to vanguard about 7 months ago and ive crashed maybe 4 times fell through the world about 3 times no big deal i just appeared in the same spot i fell through alive after falling for 45 seconds or so and really ive havent ran into thing but minor little bugs like getting dismounted at a chunkline which is very rare oh and my nerco pets abilities would sometimes lock up after chunking big deal dismiss pet, respawn takes 15 seconds plus they fixed that in thier next update
Yes i have been lucky when it comes to vanguard wiether its my playstyle or whatever i dont know but i just dont have many problems with the game I read the forums and just shake my head and laugh it baffles me why i dont find all these bugs you people talk about when am retired and can play vanguard everyday as much as i want
Anyways wow at the same age as vanguard is now had alot more annoying little things about it than vanguard ever has for me
I actually agree with most of this, I guess I was lucky too. I didn't play at the begining which I think helps a lot when forimg an opinion of the game as it stands now. I suffer little or no problems during a play session.
But you only get 1 chance to make that first impression and the sheer number of people that still seem to post about their current issues tells me the enginge is not compatible enough with different types of hardware and drivers, (had my own problems with drivers) largely down to lack of coding time.
Now I'm no lover of WoW, I played it for over a year purely to play with friends, I don't hate the game (I do however hate the graphics and art direction) it just isn't my thing. For me VG has probably the most jaw dropping engine out there it just needed more dev time. Imo they should have done a Hero's Journey and pimped it out to get more funding to complete the thing before release.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
EQ2 is a better game.
I play Vg because i want to discover areas, try to create something "interesting" (boat ?) with the crafting... And i'll stop my sub. Will be on VG next month then I think another one but won't be in VG next year for sure !
Worst of all , VG is a farming game. Can't bear killing same mob 30X times. It's a nightmare.
Solo content is boring (except for diplomacy) but only play solo ( played 1 time with another player)
because ... we are few players...
Areas are impressive, music is great, lot of classes of races etc but too much grind/farm for me.
1H of VG /1 week of EQ2. Can't play more VG, but I "need" to see and discover before cancelling. I''m an "explorer" t'hats why i need to see ...