I probably over-estimated the boredom factor of instances considering there is replay value in attaining your masters and gear that you can sell for masters (I took it for granted considering I was always fully mastered within a month 1/2ish of an xpac 75ish plat guild splits a month does that to you, so instances never offered anything to me, besides boring content when I wasn't raiding) I'm man enough to admit it when I'm mistaken.
I also hope the next expansion does some justice to the raiders, groupers, and soloers alike, I wasn't impressed at all with RoK, in fact I thought it to be the worst xpac yet, and thought it to be overly rushed and it was, proven by the missing content that was added months after (with itemization still a buggered up). I've come to realize that perhaps if you haven't raided at all then there is more replay value in running these, to me, dull and boring instances because you can use the stuff from them. In pickup groups for instances no tank could hold agro from me unless he had massive xfer or the mt was a paladin, so I'd have to half ass the instances unless it was with my guild, that was another negative.
With the buggered up raids there are alot of raiders leaving the game, personally some of my good ingame friends have all left EQ2 in RoK aswell to other games due to how bad it was for us, raiders are quitting in hordes and perhaps I failed to mention raiders, not everyone quitting, thanks for that.
Now this is a great post its nice to meet someone who thinks ROK to be pretty dire i thought i was alone in that respect.
Really IMO theres so much wrong with ROK its hard to know where to start,but as you say the knobbling of grouping and raids is a good a place as any.
I dont raid so i cant comment on how good/bad it is but what i did like to do in the past (and i'm a solocentric player here) was to find a PUG and hit an instance or just grind some xp out,ROK for me at least took this option out of the game least till you hit the late 70s,which has made the game worse for wear.
With EOF eq2 had hit a sweet spot so nice it was almost like a could touch the game but that feeling was taken away swiftly with the coming of ROK,so i like you want the next expansion to be aimed at EVERYONE not just soloers but bit for groupers and of course those hardy souls who raid.
I double posted this for you because everyone should see it, If you honestly believe top end players have no skill at playing the game, you're an ignorant fool. Math skill (what spells to fire off), skilled co-ordination (fd, firing off spells on long duration, curing at the right time, dps on and off, listening to verbal commands and executing them), critical thinking during AoE's, where to run, when to run, how far to run, using past experience and applying it to new encounters are all skills related and bundled into every MMO differently, its called game mechanics. Therefore you can chose to understand and apply this knowledge set of mechanics, a.k.a SKILL SET to either suck or be elite. If you believe every player does the same thing in a monotonous motion of pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6 *encounter dead, you obviously were never good at MMO's in the first place, or you, yourself fall into the category of a shitty player. Have you participated in learning a new strategy? have you been in server best, world best guild? have you had the dedication to learn your class and the most effective way to utilize it? probably not, but most people have, now I'm talking about raiding, because 1 hit mob encounters obviously take no skill to push 1 or 2 or even 3 buttons, but when you have an encounter that takes 10+ minutes to beat, with multiple aoes, damage shields, spawning adds, etc, you can't tell me that those participating in the kill have no skill. (Thats like saying hockey takes no skill because all you have to do is windup for a slapshot, fire the puck at 100mph and you'll score, or that since dodging a hit in real life is something your naturally going to do, taking a hit the proper way is not a skill, because hey there both games being played just on a different medium, or lets use golf as another one, wind up fire your ball, is judging the wind speed and direction, and lie of the pin a skill? when all your doing is clubbing a ball?) Its obviously something you have never done, so why don't you create a poll on the subject, and you'll find your ideals are severley mistaken. I've seen my fair share of retards with damn great gear and full masters apply to the guild I was in and fail horribley because they sucked, now is sucking due to lack of skill? or sucking due to lack of math skill because they couldn't parse higher than a dirge and obviously weren't hitting the right spells/ca's? which is chalked up to experience, potential, aptitude, and ability, all of which constitutes as a skill. The dicitonary spells it out for you, yet you still believe they take no skill?
Edit: to save the feelings of others, as per request of the moderator.
I admire raiders i really do i just dont have the time or energy to do it but i will agree with you that learning a game takes time (or at least it should do) and as for me in my instance as a soler i know how and what i can kill very easily,i know when to evac too but given a raid situation i'm damn sure i would feel like a fish out of water becuase the tactics of raiding are different to solo and group play.
Theres nothing worse than being with someone who frankly doesnt know what on earth he's doing,the last time for me was in sebillis with a pally who was doing his epic weapon quest,but everytime we hit anything he insisted on AOEing eevry mob near us and causing us to die very quickly,and yes i did get very annoyed at him,just cursing to myself though no need to put it into group chat all i did was make a note never to group with him again,so there is a game to be learned,it isnt about button mashing for me at least (if i group on an alt i tell them this fact and most are ok with it) becuase for me at least theres nothing worse than playing a game with someone who blantly doesnt know what thier doing,its no fun at all.
This post of mine really turned into something else...
Thanks to those who answered my questions...and I do not know what to say about those who argued with each other about things irrelevant to my topic. I was curious about a good server and if 10-15 hours a week was decent.
Perhaps Pm'ing each other would have been better about how much skill mmorpgs take and arguing about raiding.
Playing: Diablo 2, Medievia, SWG EMU In between: Eq Mac Retired: Guild Wars (2x), EQ, DAoC, PSO, Tibia, Runescape, WoW, SWG, Maple Story Waiting: WaR (hesitant), New Star Wars MMO
Try the trial out, no harm there. It is a 14 days trial, but with normal play you will reach the cap of the trial kinda fast. But, don't take that as a bad sign of the size of content in this game. It's plenty of content for most level ranges (still a bit thin in some of the mid ranges).
About server, it do depend a bit on where you live. There is two seperate English European servers, and some non-english European servers, which you can access if you change region when you accepting the Eula. Then you have the US servers.
Both the European servers has a healthy population, and are relative equal in size. I cannot say anything about the non-english servers though.
The US servers the AB server is the largest by far, but my tip is to make your character in your own prime time, and look at which server is listed at the bottom. The server list will sort the list with the server with least players first and the heaviest server last (not in general, just a snapshot of the current players).
10-15 hours is good. Although I can recommend that you play a longer sessions sometimes too, and not just 30 minutes sessions. For soloing a 30 minute session is working (since you can start where you left off), but if you want to group a bit too, it is recommend to play for some longer sessions (1-2 hours).
Btw. just ignore the trash talk from the player that has been burned out, I know that I do
Lotr and Everquest 2 go quite well together, if you got enough money to pay both. They can't be compared because they are different in many aspects. Lotr is more like Wow. I don't know what EQ2 is like actually.
This post of mine really turned into something else...
Thanks to those who answered my questions...and I do not know what to say about those who argued with each other about things irrelevant to my topic. I was curious about a good server and if 10-15 hours a week was decent. Perhaps Pm'ing each other would have been better about how much skill mmorpgs take and arguing about raiding.
This post of mine really turned into something else...
Thanks to those who answered my questions...and I do not know what to say about those who argued with each other about things irrelevant to my topic. I was curious about a good server and if 10-15 hours a week was decent. Perhaps Pm'ing each other would have been better about how much skill mmorpgs take and arguing about raiding.
Trouble is this is the most frequently asked question on this forum,theres loads of threads about the trial/is this game for me etc and my answers always the same.
The trial sucks..big time,it gives no indication of the game once you move past level 10 hell even going past level 20 wont take you long and you will change classes till you find the one you love.
Honestly buy the game..its cheap as chips nowadays and you get a lot for your money so even if you dont like the game after your free time is up its not been wasted IMO,but please whatever you do dont base your descion on the trial,its crap simple as that.
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I probably over-estimated the boredom factor of instances considering there is replay value in attaining your masters and gear that you can sell for masters (I took it for granted considering I was always fully mastered within a month 1/2ish of an xpac 75ish plat guild splits a month does that to you, so instances never offered anything to me, besides boring content when I wasn't raiding) I'm man enough to admit it when I'm mistaken.
I also hope the next expansion does some justice to the raiders, groupers, and soloers alike, I wasn't impressed at all with RoK, in fact I thought it to be the worst xpac yet, and thought it to be overly rushed and it was, proven by the missing content that was added months after (with itemization still a buggered up). I've come to realize that perhaps if you haven't raided at all then there is more replay value in running these, to me, dull and boring instances because you can use the stuff from them. In pickup groups for instances no tank could hold agro from me unless he had massive xfer or the mt was a paladin, so I'd have to half ass the instances unless it was with my guild, that was another negative.
With the buggered up raids there are alot of raiders leaving the game, personally some of my good ingame friends have all left EQ2 in RoK aswell to other games due to how bad it was for us, raiders are quitting in hordes and perhaps I failed to mention raiders, not everyone quitting, thanks for that.
Now this is a great post
Really IMO theres so much wrong with ROK its hard to know where to start,but as you say the knobbling of grouping and raids is a good a place as any.
I dont raid so i cant comment on how good/bad it is but what i did like to do in the past (and i'm a solocentric player here) was to find a PUG and hit an instance or just grind some xp out,ROK for me at least took this option out of the game least till you hit the late 70s,which has made the game worse for wear.
With EOF eq2 had hit a sweet spot so nice it was almost like a could touch the game but that feeling was taken away swiftly with the coming of ROK,so i like you want the next expansion to be aimed at EVERYONE not just soloers but bit for groupers and of course those hardy souls who raid.
Theres nothing worse than being with someone who frankly doesnt know what on earth he's doing,the last time for me was in sebillis with a pally who was doing his epic weapon quest,but everytime we hit anything he insisted on AOEing eevry mob near us and causing us to die very quickly,and yes i did get very annoyed at him,just cursing to myself though no need to put it into group chat all i did was make a note never to group with him again,so there is a game to be learned,it isnt about button mashing for me at least (if i group on an alt i tell them this fact and most are ok with it) becuase for me at least theres nothing worse than playing a game with someone who blantly doesnt know what thier doing,its no fun at all.
Thanks to those who answered my questions...and I do not know what to say about those who argued with each other about things irrelevant to my topic. I was curious about a good server and if 10-15 hours a week was decent.
Perhaps Pm'ing each other would have been better about how much skill mmorpgs take and arguing about raiding.
Playing: Diablo 2, Medievia, SWG EMU
In between: Eq Mac
Retired: Guild Wars (2x), EQ, DAoC, PSO, Tibia, Runescape, WoW, SWG, Maple Story
Waiting: WaR (hesitant), New Star Wars MMO
Try the trial out, no harm there. It is a 14 days trial, but with normal play you will reach the cap of the trial kinda fast. But, don't take that as a bad sign of the size of content in this game. It's plenty of content for most level ranges (still a bit thin in some of the mid ranges).
About server, it do depend a bit on where you live. There is two seperate English European servers, and some non-english European servers, which you can access if you change region when you accepting the Eula. Then you have the US servers.
Both the European servers has a healthy population, and are relative equal in size. I cannot say anything about the non-english servers though.
The US servers the AB server is the largest by far, but my tip is to make your character in your own prime time, and look at which server is listed at the bottom. The server list will sort the list with the server with least players first and the heaviest server last (not in general, just a snapshot of the current players).
10-15 hours is good. Although I can recommend that you play a longer sessions sometimes too, and not just 30 minutes sessions. For soloing a 30 minute session is working (since you can start where you left off), but if you want to group a bit too, it is recommend to play for some longer sessions (1-2 hours).
Btw. just ignore the trash talk from the player that has been burned out, I know that I do
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Lotr and Everquest 2 go quite well together, if you got enough money to pay both. They can't be compared because they are different in many aspects. Lotr is more like Wow. I don't know what EQ2 is like actually.
I couldnt have agreed with you more. thats why i immediatley started a new thread discussing skill here http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/173030
The trial sucks..big time,it gives no indication of the game once you move past level 10 hell even going past level 20 wont take you long and you will change classes till you find the one you love.
Honestly buy the game..its cheap as chips nowadays and you get a lot for your money so even if you dont like the game after your free time is up its not been wasted IMO,but please whatever you do dont base your descion on the trial,its crap simple as that.
Oh did i mention the trials not that good?