So... When you buy the CoH/CoV collection you cant try the free month that is included without paying for a gamecard first, or giving them full access to your credit card... And now they want full monthly fee for watching ads and commersials ingame. Pay to be be a marketing victim... Good work I think thats enough junk for one company, thank you very much.
IT IS OPTIONAL – YOU CAN TURN THEM OFF ALL THE TIME AND NEVER EVER SEE THEM.
I really don't see many people saying ok to the advertising unless their going to get something in return. I mean just so NCsoft can get more money to add content isn't going to be a good enough reason for most players. If they gave a discound like making it $5 a month or $15 for 2 months or even better F2P servers with advertising then I can see that working. Actually if they made servers that are F2P I know so many people hate ads in game that they would pay $15 a month just to not have the ads. I don't think NCsoft sees the big picutre, maybe a few people wouldn't mind the ads, but I know more people would hate them. I've read enough forums with people complaining about ads in games. I guarentee you that if the put ads in games and let people opt-out, probably about 85% or more will opt-out. I'm all for advertising in games, but I would even opt-out if I wasn't getting something for the ads.
It's not a question of being subjected to ads. It's being subjected to ads in a game with a monthly subscription fee.
Did anyone of you read the article, and about how they are optional and can be turned off? All of them, off all the time, for good? Did any of you read that? Do you get it? You just hit one check box and you never have to see them - EVER.
So no one is being subjected to any adds ever.
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So beyond all of this, what benefit does leaving optional in-game advertising “on” bring to the players? Why should you not opt-out? All ad revenue dollars go directly to the further development of the game, which means more great content than ever before!
I really don't see many people saying ok to the advertising unless their going to get something in return.
I'll leave them on because I don't care. Yes I would be pissed if I didn't have to option, but because I do have the option I'm not pissed so I will leave them on.
I like the game, and this is a way for me to further support it, without paying more for it.
Those billboards scattered around the city / the isles are perfect for this. Wether they say "Earth for humans" or "pizzahut, get pizza now!" doesn't really matter to me tbh.
I really don't see many people saying ok to the advertising unless their going to get something in return. I mean just so NCsoft can get more money to add content isn't going to be a good enough reason for most players. If they gave a discound like making it $5 a month or $15 for 2 months or even better F2P servers with advertising then I can see that working. Actually if they made servers that are F2P I know so many people hate ads in game that they would pay $15 a month just to not have the ads. I don't think NCsoft sees the big picutre, maybe a few people wouldn't mind the ads, but I know more people would hate them. I've read enough forums with people complaining about ads in games. I guarentee you that if the put ads in games and let people opt-out, probably about 85% or more will opt-out. I'm all for advertising in games, but I would even opt-out if I wasn't getting something for the ads.
I see what you're saying, but the end result of this project is to make the gaming experience better (or so they say). They could push whatever revenue they make from this into F2P servers, but that doesnt further the development of the game necessarily. Personally, i would much prefer that they roll money into faster/better updates that give us great new content for the game. How long have people wanted end game content? Imagine that these in game ads add enough revenue to hire 2 more devs to dedicate to end game content. I dont see how this can be a bad thing given the framework they've laid out.
That being said, tho, i would be curious to see quarterly reports as to how much money this project brings in and what it's being utilized for... simply to ensure they keep their promises.
I see this move by NCSoft more of a "Choose to see the ads and we'll keep investing in the game and not changing the montly fee". The other side of it, for me, would be "Choose to not see the ads and, by the same monthly fee, we'll start charging you for the upcoming content updates".
I liked the in game fictional ads - they kept the immersion of it. But I don't think they'll reduce the monthly fee. So I guess I'll choose to see the commercial ads then.
I really don't see many people saying ok to the advertising unless their going to get something in return. I mean just so NCsoft can get more money to add content isn't going to be a good enough reason for most players. If they gave a discound like making it $5 a month or $15 for 2 months or even better F2P servers with advertising then I can see that working. Actually if they made servers that are F2P I know so many people hate ads in game that they would pay $15 a month just to not have the ads. I don't think NCsoft sees the big picutre, maybe a few people wouldn't mind the ads, but I know more people would hate them. I've read enough forums with people complaining about ads in games. I guarentee you that if the put ads in games and let people opt-out, probably about 85% or more will opt-out. I'm all for advertising in games, but I would even opt-out if I wasn't getting something for the ads.
You've already received 10 content releases with no additional charge (unless you purchased either title after the one you already had (H/V)). Other MMOs would charge extra as content releases.
The entire purpose of the in-game ads are to allow for the team to expand. So you are getting something in return.
Hopefully you play the game to enjoy it. You'd pay the same price with or without the ads. The OPTION is there for you. It's really that simple. If you don't think it's fair, then don't allow it. There. Was that really all that difficult? Nope. Game on!
@GreenChaos - No, they did not read it. They're unable. It should probably be put a bit simpler for them.
No you're obviously not bright enough to extrapolate anything from people's posts that don't agree with your opinion with simple-minded sycophantism.
Yes I read the whole article and I do know that the advertising in optional.
It's the wording in the article that set me off. Did you read it?
It's an obvious corporate spin to lead people to believe that they are going to try to breath new life into a game as old as CoX is, and it's an even bigger spin to lead people to believe that the lion's share of that ad revenue is going to go the development of new content for the game.
I agree that the way they are implementing the in-game ads is alot better than the majority of other games with in-game advertising. It doesn't change or alter the current trend in commercialized gaming for the better either. Look at games like SKATE, nothing but product placement after product placement and the game cost exactly the same as every other game that came out at the same time. The other games were just as good if not, better than SKATE. If you've played it you know how much product placement is in it. The single player campaign is like one big commercial for a bunch of different brands of clothing and skateboarding accessories.
Those companies pay money to get their ads into games. When a game is saturated that much with commercial bullshit the game shouldn't cost the same as a game that isn't as saturated. If it does than shame on the people behind the decision to charge full price for commercial advertizing.
Why does this happen more and more often? Because people with no minds blindly become sheep and make this kind of practice more acceptable than it was before.
You people need to get out in the world some more and stop worshiping at the alter of corporate shills.
I mean its likely one of the games biggest complaints, low frequency of updates or additional content so its good that they are tring too move things along at a faster pace here
I'm sure it has something to do with it. Statesman held much back though, for whatever reason. They've been extremely active since November (completion of the sale) and should be commended for everything they've done.
Champions Online, while thematically similar, will play differently. I look forward to both.
It's an obvious corporate spin to lead people to believe that they are going to try to breath new life into a game as old as CoX is, and it's an even bigger spin to lead people to believe that the lion's share of that ad revenue is going to go the development of new content for the game. You people need to get out in the world some more and stop worshiping at the alter of corporate shills.
"Obvious corporate spin" Well, in your opinion. I see it as simply getting the word out. Are there other behind-the-scenes plans? Maybe. If there are and I disagree with those, then I simply vote with my dollars and not renew. Until then, I can have fun.
New Content: They have to have new content if they're going to compete. It's not a matter of if or how many dollars are allocated to it, it's a matter of when/how soon and how well it'll be designed and implemented.
Worshiping Corporate Shills: That's your entitled opinion. Disagreeing with you does not make one clueless.
No you're obviously not bright enough to extrapolate anything from people's posts that don't agree with your opinion with simple-minded sycophantism.
That was a cute attempt, but no. You try and call people fanboys and then stick behind your own opinion like a mule.
Anyone that took the article to mean 'City of X is going to be a new game with the amount of content we're going to add!' is certainly a bit mislead. And of course the way they put anything is bullshitty. But some people do want to see this game continue to run, and they've helped it, at least a little bit, without doing anything invasive. In one way or another, revenue from a game is going to keep it running.
You people need to get out in the world some more and stop worshiping at the alter of corporate shills.
The more I think about this the more I think it's a slippery slope and also a bit of "testing the waters" by NC.
Because, think about it...
Any money that NC makes will of course go to its games. Of course they say that all money from this campaign will go to CoX but there's nothing stopping them from also using some of that money for other purposes.
So the crux of it is "allow the ingame advertising and we will get more money - We just choose, at this time to use it for CoX".
Then if enough players say "yes" (because in the end they are not going to be getting "money off" of their subscription to allow it. They are merely giving NC permission to make more money for their game) NC can then ascertain whether or not players will allow in game marketing when they are not getting a free sub or money off.
It's a bit cynical but I think it's true.
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Think its a good idea if the user/player get something back. Lower subscription fee or something.
Personally I don't really see the point having a optional ads where the user don't directly get something out of it. If it should be really optional, it should be on the subscription plan as someone already said.
I'm playing online games mostly to flee any RL BS that is going on out there.
Yes, I've read adds can be turned off in-game, but probably in the next game they can't.
And since I'm a paranoid and we're playing FPS, there's a chance we're getting the adverts still flickered on our monitors like once/sec (1 frame out of 60 or whatever).
Can't really see them but they'll still have impact on our subconscience.
That said, I'm pretty numb vs. adverts in general, but not everyone is.
Now, if players feel like they contribute to the RIGHT company in order to save their position in the game market by paying monthly fee for a game that includes adds, it's okay.
It's becoming a political matter.
Game companies need more money to survive, that's what I don't like about the monetary system in general but game companies are very much subject to that like any other business.
I can understand why CS is taking that route and if they use the raised funds partly for CoX and partly for a new game, I'm cool.
I really don't see many people saying ok to the advertising unless their going to get something in return.
I'll leave them on because I don't care. Yes I would be pissed if I didn't have to option, but because I do have the option I'm not pissed so I will leave them on.
And they are offering you something in return, more content.
I consider that a reasonable trade for changing the generic soda machines in game currently to Coke machines or changing the fictional name above a a restaurant to Pizza Hut. It would not alter immersion one bit.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. Benjamin Franklin
The way some people act about in game ads, I wonder how they're even able to watch television or drive down a main street in town. They're just ads, and they don't bite. What I'd like to see is for the billboards and other in game ads (pop machines, etc.) to be destructible so we could destroy them. After a few minutes, they could reappear. Now that would be cool, and it would also catch the attention of the target audience. Anywho, more money = good for the game.
On a side note... The ADS ARE COMING!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
I own a TV and I am not watching syndicated programs with commercials, I am watching movies without adds!
When I want to watch a tv program I download it without commercials then stream it to my TV. Quite effective and very enjoyable.
I am the kind of person who abstains from products of advertisements which were obstructively forced upon me. Yes, I am like this.
Destructible Billboards and vending machines would be a brilliant addition!
@GreenChaos - No, they did not read it. They're unable. It should probably be put a bit simpler for them.
It's an obvious corporate spin to lead people to believe that they are going to try to breath new life into a game as old as CoX is, and it's an even bigger spin to lead people to believe that the lion's share of that ad revenue is going to go the development of new content for the game.
Basing an argument around conspiracy theories isnt going to get you anywhere. I can see why some MMO players have this jaded attitude towards developers these days, but you cant include your qualms with the industry when debating revenue mechanics.
Breathing new life into CoX will be tough. I'll fully admit that. You know how they can do it tho? I would start with a good infusion of capital (see revenue generation project presented in OP). As for your theory that the money wont be reinvested into CoX and they'll just use it to bolster other projects, i say prove it. You cant. You can just assume based on whatever jaded opinion was placed upon you when class X got nerfed in game Y or promise Z was broken by developer Schmoe. Sorry bud, but not everyone is out to get/screw you. Your assumptions are always welcome, but dont expect anyone to take you seriously until you argue fact.
The more I think about this the more I think it's a slippery slope and also a bit of "testing the waters" by NC. Because, think about it... Any money that NC makes will of course go to its games. Of course they say that all money from this campaign will go to CoX but there's nothing stopping them from also using some of that money for other purposes. So the crux of it is "allow the ingame advertising and we will get more money - We just choose, at this time to use it for CoX". Then if enough players say "yes" (because in the end they are not going to be getting "money off" of their subscription to allow it. They are merely giving NC permission to make more money for their game) NC can then ascertain whether or not players will allow in game marketing when they are not getting a free sub or money off. It's a bit cynical but I think it's true.
Thank you. I'm glad someone is using their head for more than a hat rack.
This is the point I was trying to get across, but you conveyed it alot more eloquently than I did.
The more I think about this the more I think it's a slippery slope and also a bit of "testing the waters" by NC. Because, think about it... Any money that NC makes will of course go to its games. Of course they say that all money from this campaign will go to CoX but there's nothing stopping them from also using some of that money for other purposes. So the crux of it is "allow the ingame advertising and we will get more money - We just choose, at this time to use it for CoX". Then if enough players say "yes" (because in the end they are not going to be getting "money off" of their subscription to allow it. They are merely giving NC permission to make more money for their game) NC can then ascertain whether or not players will allow in game marketing when they are not getting a free sub or money off. It's a bit cynical but I think it's true.
Thank you. I'm glad someone is using their head for more than a hat rack.
This is the point I was trying to get across, but you conveyed it alot more eloquently than I did.
After the slew of community outrages based on the idea of forced in game ads, do you honestly think that NCSoft would be THAT stupid? As i said... feel free to present your conspiracy theories, but your argument is moot till you can prove anything.
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IT IS OPTIONAL – YOU CAN TURN THEM OFF ALL THE TIME AND NEVER EVER SEE THEM.
I really don't see many people saying ok to the advertising unless their going to get something in return. I mean just so NCsoft can get more money to add content isn't going to be a good enough reason for most players. If they gave a discound like making it $5 a month or $15 for 2 months or even better F2P servers with advertising then I can see that working. Actually if they made servers that are F2P I know so many people hate ads in game that they would pay $15 a month just to not have the ads. I don't think NCsoft sees the big picutre, maybe a few people wouldn't mind the ads, but I know more people would hate them. I've read enough forums with people complaining about ads in games. I guarentee you that if the put ads in games and let people opt-out, probably about 85% or more will opt-out. I'm all for advertising in games, but I would even opt-out if I wasn't getting something for the ads.
Did anyone of you read the article, and about how they are optional and can be turned off? All of them, off all the time, for good? Did any of you read that? Do you get it? You just hit one check box and you never have to see them - EVER.
So no one is being subjected to any adds ever.
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So beyond all of this, what benefit does leaving optional in-game advertising “on” bring to the players? Why should you not opt-out? All ad revenue dollars go directly to the further development of the game, which means more great content than ever before!
I'll leave them on because I don't care. Yes I would be pissed if I didn't have to option, but because I do have the option I'm not pissed so I will leave them on.
@GreenChaos - No, they did not read it. They're unable. It should probably be put a bit simpler for them.
{quote} Could be worse.
EA could have bought CoX instead. {/quote}
NOOOOO Don't say the "Unmentionable" name!!! You'll jinx everything!!
I'm planning on keeping the ads on, why?
I like the game, and this is a way for me to further support it, without paying more for it.
Those billboards scattered around the city / the isles are perfect for this. Wether they say "Earth for humans" or "pizzahut, get pizza now!" doesn't really matter to me tbh.
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That being said, tho, i would be curious to see quarterly reports as to how much money this project brings in and what it's being utilized for... simply to ensure they keep their promises.
I see this move by NCSoft more of a "Choose to see the ads and we'll keep investing in the game and not changing the montly fee". The other side of it, for me, would be "Choose to not see the ads and, by the same monthly fee, we'll start charging you for the upcoming content updates".
I liked the in game fictional ads - they kept the immersion of it. But I don't think they'll reduce the monthly fee. So I guess I'll choose to see the commercial ads then.
You've already received 10 content releases with no additional charge (unless you purchased either title after the one you already had (H/V)). Other MMOs would charge extra as content releases.The entire purpose of the in-game ads are to allow for the team to expand. So you are getting something in return.
Hopefully you play the game to enjoy it. You'd pay the same price with or without the ads. The OPTION is there for you. It's really that simple. If you don't think it's fair, then don't allow it. There. Was that really all that difficult? Nope. Game on!
I mean its likely one of the games biggest complaints, low frequency of updates or additional content
so its good that they are tring too move things along at a faster pace here
Yes I read the whole article and I do know that the advertising in optional.
It's the wording in the article that set me off. Did you read it?
It's an obvious corporate spin to lead people to believe that they are going to try to breath new life into a game as old as CoX is, and it's an even bigger spin to lead people to believe that the lion's share of that ad revenue is going to go the development of new content for the game.
I agree that the way they are implementing the in-game ads is alot better than the majority of other games with in-game advertising. It doesn't change or alter the current trend in commercialized gaming for the better either. Look at games like SKATE, nothing but product placement after product placement and the game cost exactly the same as every other game that came out at the same time. The other games were just as good if not, better than SKATE. If you've played it you know how much product placement is in it. The single player campaign is like one big commercial for a bunch of different brands of clothing and skateboarding accessories.
Those companies pay money to get their ads into games. When a game is saturated that much with commercial bullshit the game shouldn't cost the same as a game that isn't as saturated. If it does than shame on the people behind the decision to charge full price for commercial advertizing.
Why does this happen more and more often? Because people with no minds blindly become sheep and make this kind of practice more acceptable than it was before.
You people need to get out in the world some more and stop worshiping at the alter of corporate shills.
Champions Online, while thematically similar, will play differently. I look forward to both.
Did some of you miss the part that it was optional to have ads?? I could give a flying F_ _ _ ! Some of you like to bitch for the sake of bitching..
New Content: They have to have new content if they're going to compete. It's not a matter of if or how many dollars are allocated to it, it's a matter of when/how soon and how well it'll be designed and implemented.
Worshiping Corporate Shills: That's your entitled opinion. Disagreeing with you does not make one clueless.
As always, best wishes & happy gaming!
That was a cute attempt, but no. You try and call people fanboys and then stick behind your own opinion like a mule.
Anyone that took the article to mean 'City of X is going to be a new game with the amount of content we're going to add!' is certainly a bit mislead. And of course the way they put anything is bullshitty. But some people do want to see this game continue to run, and they've helped it, at least a little bit, without doing anything invasive. In one way or another, revenue from a game is going to keep it running.
Hell, you just need to get out more.
The more I think about this the more I think it's a slippery slope and also a bit of "testing the waters" by NC.
Because, think about it...
Any money that NC makes will of course go to its games. Of course they say that all money from this campaign will go to CoX but there's nothing stopping them from also using some of that money for other purposes.
So the crux of it is "allow the ingame advertising and we will get more money - We just choose, at this time to use it for CoX".
Then if enough players say "yes" (because in the end they are not going to be getting "money off" of their subscription to allow it. They are merely giving NC permission to make more money for their game) NC can then ascertain whether or not players will allow in game marketing when they are not getting a free sub or money off.
It's a bit cynical but I think it's true.
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Think its a good idea if the user/player get something back. Lower subscription fee or something.
Personally I don't really see the point having a optional ads where the user don't directly get something out of it. If it should be really optional, it should be on the subscription plan as someone already said.
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I'm playing online games mostly to flee any RL BS that is going on out there.
Yes, I've read adds can be turned off in-game, but probably in the next game they can't.
And since I'm a paranoid and we're playing FPS, there's a chance we're getting the adverts still flickered on our monitors like once/sec (1 frame out of 60 or whatever).
Can't really see them but they'll still have impact on our subconscience.
That said, I'm pretty numb vs. adverts in general, but not everyone is.
Now, if players feel like they contribute to the RIGHT company in order to save their position in the game market by paying monthly fee for a game that includes adds, it's okay.
It's becoming a political matter.
Game companies need more money to survive, that's what I don't like about the monetary system in general but game companies are very much subject to that like any other business.
I can understand why CS is taking that route and if they use the raised funds partly for CoX and partly for a new game, I'm cool.
I'll leave them on because I don't care. Yes I would be pissed if I didn't have to option, but because I do have the option I'm not pissed so I will leave them on.
And they are offering you something in return, more content.
I consider that a reasonable trade for changing the generic soda machines in game currently to Coke machines or changing the fictional name above a a restaurant to Pizza Hut. It would not alter immersion one bit.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
Well that's the thing. They say they are going to use the money for more development. Ok. Prove it.
Will the new content be noticeable over what is already provided?
NC should say something like "we will have an additonal update each year" or something like that.
Because otherwise all they are saying is "hey, we are going to have advertisements and, as with all revenue streams, it will be used for our games."
Well of course it will.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
When I want to watch a tv program I download it without commercials then stream it to my TV. Quite effective and very enjoyable.
I am the kind of person who abstains from products of advertisements which were obstructively forced upon me. Yes, I am like this.
Destructible Billboards and vending machines would be a brilliant addition!
It's an obvious corporate spin to lead people to believe that they are going to try to breath new life into a game as old as CoX is, and it's an even bigger spin to lead people to believe that the lion's share of that ad revenue is going to go the development of new content for the game.
Basing an argument around conspiracy theories isnt going to get you anywhere. I can see why some MMO players have this jaded attitude towards developers these days, but you cant include your qualms with the industry when debating revenue mechanics.
Breathing new life into CoX will be tough. I'll fully admit that. You know how they can do it tho? I would start with a good infusion of capital (see revenue generation project presented in OP). As for your theory that the money wont be reinvested into CoX and they'll just use it to bolster other projects, i say prove it. You cant. You can just assume based on whatever jaded opinion was placed upon you when class X got nerfed in game Y or promise Z was broken by developer Schmoe. Sorry bud, but not everyone is out to get/screw you. Your assumptions are always welcome, but dont expect anyone to take you seriously until you argue fact.
This is the point I was trying to get across, but you conveyed it alot more eloquently than I did.
This is the point I was trying to get across, but you conveyed it alot more eloquently than I did.
After the slew of community outrages based on the idea of forced in game ads, do you honestly think that NCSoft would be THAT stupid? As i said... feel free to present your conspiracy theories, but your argument is moot till you can prove anything.
/tinfoil hats on