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mmo addict...not producers fualt
Housam
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this video pisses me off..it makes mmo players look like a bunch of no life geeks...and the mum of kid who killed himself cos of eq pisses me off 2...i mean its sad that she lost her son...but she blames mmo producers for killing her son....even though its her fualt...that she couldent bring her son up properly to tell the difference between a game and reality,,,
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Yea, its sensationalization
Understand that media outlets (YouTube included) are not as concerned about accuracy as they are about drawing people into their content. It all boilds down to the success of the tabloids.
Noone will read an article that headlines "MMORPG study shows no bad effects to players" wheras they will read "Man plays WoW for 72 hours straight: Dies!!!"
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Sign of da timez. Parentz don’t discipline deir children or set boundariez den blame external influencez when bad fingz ’appen. Your child getz run o’a afta runnin’ into traffic while playin’ in da road?
Don’t blame yourself for lettin’ ’im play in da road.
Don’t blame da child for playin’ in da road.
Don’t blame da driva who didn’t see your child playin’ in da road.
Blame da people who built da road for creatin’ a dangerouz environment in which a child could be run o’a.
People just take no responsibility for anythin’ dese dayz.
its a scape goat for people to cope. Its sad that we have to sensationalize everything to the point where we pray on the under educated to help is further a cause.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I didn't see anything wrong with it. except for the mother who was blaming Everquest for her screwed up kid. They were absolutely right, it isn't their responsibility to control what people do, they simply have a product available and if people spend their entire lives online, then it's the fault of the idiots with no lives, not Everquest.
The only person she should have been pointing fingers at is herself.
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This is the same for every tiype of game. From Everquest in the early days to San Andreas in recent years.
The fact of the matter is that alot of today's parents won't take responsibility for raising their child badly. On top of that, alot of parents are totally ignorant of games. "Oh its just a game, it doesn't have sex or violence in it. Its like Pong right?"
People telling others their idea of a healthy life and trying to claim is fact is why so many people are lonely and feel rejected in the world.
Noone can be themselves, everyone has to try to fit in into this mold, or idea, of the perfect life, that everyone forgets who they are.
People who go home from work, and decide to log on, and play MMO's all day, what is the problem? if they are taking care of themselves, going to work, doing what they have to do, what exactly is the problem? Theres people who go home, watch TV all day, and become sheep to the media, which then begin to believe the horsepoo alot of people talk. I see no problem with someone enjoying their own personal way of interaction as long as they take care of their duties. And ill be frank with you, alot of the people you meet online, are a HELL of alot more real than the people you meet in real life. Why? because noone is trying to fit some bull mold of perfection, everyone is being themselves, doing what they love to do, and doing it with people who share that same love. Why cant people just leave others alone, and let them do what they want to do? because if you have to judge another perons life, perhaps your life is missing some valid points in it?
Me personally, as a real gamer, i cannot find satisfaction in playing 10-20 minutes a day, in a MMO. What the hell is the point? log on, do one quest, log off? Satisfying experience? not my kind of thing, if it works for others, go ahead, but dont trump me, or anyone else, who chooses otherwise. me and my fiance enjoy a great deal of gaming together, it brought us close together, shes a great great girl, and i wouldnt trade her for the world, but not only do we do things outside like most people, but we enjoy a great, fun, relaxing, challenging, and interactive hobby together.
Famous quote goes like this i believe:
If you are worse than me, you are a newb.
If you are better than me, you have no life.
If you beat me, it was luck.
If i beat you, it was skill.
This is the rules of the internet it seems for those who dont " game for long periods of time". Not everyone is like that, and some elitists are like that as well, This i know. but still, my personal experience is with those kinds of people.. Full of hypocricy. Sorry for the long post, but life just pisses me off sometimes when people judge others, i dont want this to come off as a insult, but telling someone to seek help, when they clearly have nothing wrong with them, just because they enjoy something more to a extent than the one person who is judging, does, is ridiculous. Thank you all for listening, please have a good day.
Does anyone remember the stuff they used to say about Dungeons and Dragons?
Same sort of thing and difficult to defend against.
In any event, obsessive personalities will find something to obsess about. The vehicle, in this instance, doesn't matter.
However, just like poor, sad, Cindy Sheehan. Some mothers have to explain the grief and wet-ware failure of their sons and daughters by blaming anything but the child. That is understandable.
What is reprehensible is when media outlets make a buck exploiting a sick person's grief.
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The problem is, there were just as many D&D fanatics as there are MMO fanatics. Sure, things were blown out of proportion back in the day, but you can't deny that it's unhealthy to try to live vicariously through a game and have little or no other human contact. If you are playing a game, any game, 6-8 hours a day, every day, to the exclusion of all else, you need professional help, especially if you can't stop talking about it or don't care about anything but the game. I've seen people whose entire lives revolved around D&D, who couldn't talk about anything without bringing up what they're doing in the game, what level they're at, what weapons they've gotten, etc. They simply have no concept of life outside the game and the same thing happens with MMOs.
It's not "their life, let them do what they want", it's a serious mental problem that needs to be handled by professionals. Anyone who advocates letting the poor fools with no social skills play games all day because at least they're getting some momentary happiness out of it is just helping the person commit social suicide and aiding in the ruination of the rest of their life.
Almost all of the people who defended MMO gaming as being a non addiction, are the ones who also stated that if they played to the point where it affected their daily routine, then its a problem. NOONE stated what you said was incorrect. For myself, i am simply stating that people, in general, will look down upon MMO's now, or gaming in general it seems, if you do it for more than say, a hour a day. If someone wants to take one day a week, and just game their hearts out and have fun, what the hell is the problem? Im saying let the people live, and do what they want, who are actually taking care of themselves. News flash, not everyone wants to be around people 24/7 to feel worthy and sociable, not everyone wants to get married, not everyone wants a doggy, not everyone likes hotdogs, catch my drift? Not everyone wants to live this perfect life that people try to put in your mind. If they are taking care of themselves, then it doesnt matter how long they game, but if they are not, then it is a problem, but that problem was brought on, by none other, than themselves. Thats just how i feel on the subject, just let people make their own mistakes.
This movie makes me sick and angry. When media is going to report something that has any kind of connection to games it seems like they go from being moderately unbiased to being pretty much 100% unbiased. The times when you see a report regarding games in general it tends to be about how it's negative and bad and so on, and they most of all never feature that there should a different view on the matter. There are different views on this matter; yet media allows only the view they think will make most people interested, thus the general view on games is that they are bad.
And why can't the mom take responsibility for her own actions rather than in some frenzy or panic blame someone else?
lol i laughed so hard when i read this, because its so true. u always see people in MMOs saying stuff like that. you just made my day
also to get back on topic. the producers have no control over the people that play their games, all they can do is put in a notification saying "You have been playing for 123 hours, please take a break and get a life." ive been one of those people who get home from school and use to play WoW straight away till about 2am in the morning. it wasnt so bad seeing as i have a twin brother and we used to share the time between the two of us because we only had one account, but thats still a long time and i have to wake up at 6am so only 4 hrs of sleep. i knew that i had to do something because this was just crazy. i gave up WoW shortly after, having failed the 2nd term of maths (i usually get A) and failing computers.
so yeah, its alright if you just play for say a couple hours and stuff but when it starts to get in the road of real life stuff, then at least have to common sense to restrict yourself or slow down on the games abit, because when you think about it, games probably arnt going to get you far unless youre planning on becomin a programmer or something, games are meant to be somehitng you do in your spare time to help you relax and whatnot. giving up WoW was the best decision of my life, although i do miss battlegrounds, i find that you have to prioritise and frankly, gaming isnt up there at the top of my list. been getting A's again in maths. its not the producers fault, at least have the maturity to admit that you have a problem and you need to fix it
I know that 90% of the mmo crap is the person playing and the parents fault, but havent you guys ever taken htose surveys mmo's put out from time too time>? You know what that is? That is finding the general player populations addictions , and obsessions in mmo's , you know why they do this? It is because they want to use that to keep players obsessed and addicted to the game, in my opinion it is wrong to do this instead of asking you what is fun in the game, they ask you what is it that we can pick yer brain and use your ocd'd and addictions against you, its kinda like taking an alcholic to an open bar.
playing eq2 and two worlds
hmm.. its weird you see it that way. MMOs are a tough market, and i guess that if the producers didnt do these tests and survey then eventually people will start to get bored and unsatisfied with their content. the producers are just trying to give their consumers their moneys worth. so really their just trying to keep all their players from becoming bored and leaving for somehting better. im sure thats its not their intentions to keep their players playing their game for days straight w/o food or water, but really just to hold their interests in the game.
as for the alcoholic thing, they give you all you want and more, however, youre supposed to know when enough is enough. if anyone has ever seen the family guy episode where peter gets a lifetime supply of burgers at burgerking, so he eats like 30 in a row and has a stroke... well yeah. you gotta know when enough is enough people.
Ppl today always need somebody else to blame for their own laziness. It's the TVs fault, the teachers fault, the games fault, the schools fault, the laws fault, friends fault, Gods fault....but it is never the fault of the parent that fails to involve themselves in the childs life. I let my son, 6 years old play GTA with me, Star Wars games and he watches me play any MMORPG. Am I worried he will grow up to be a killer? Not at all, cause I play with him, I talk to him and explain to him that things are just pretend and for fun...nothing that he does in these games are acceptable outside of the pretend world. And he comprehends the difference.
I was addicted to wow and for several days i was off work played it 16 hours at a pop. I quit wow because of it. its not the MMO's fault. It was mine. i go out and a whole lot more like i used to...like playing golf, basketball, and softball for my church.
If ou play more than 4 hours a day folks please limit yourself!!!!
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I would say it’s not the producers fault, but MMOPRGs allow for additive behavior more easily than other types of games. Because:
A. They are time base incentive (the more time you play the better you are) not skill base incentive (the better your skill the better you are). People naturally want to be better at everything the do so they will naturally want to put more time in. With skill games like shooters, your time / skill ratio eventually plateaus (you stop getting better as fast).
B. They have no end. This is the biggest factor for better allowing for addiction. When ever I play a game that does have an end, I rethink if I want to replay when ever the game ends. If the game never ends I never rethink it.
That kid who killed himself over EQ had mental problems.
It's just natural selection.. The weak and stupid die first.
This is correct in what you say. MMO's are indeed these 2 things.
Time based
Lack of a ending
But once again, lets switch it up. The players, willingly, go into these games, knowing how they work. If you do not know how they work, you are the moron for not researching the video games specific genre. Thats like going into a sports game expecting to see dragons and raid bosses, then blaming the makers of the game for not putting them in.
The problem i have with WoW, specifically, is that it not only brought in great new players to the MMO genre, who have accepted how these specific games work, But it brought in triple that amount of bad players, who came from console games, following the " new fad" and expecting to find save points, and complete 100% solo play, etc etc. Im sure you see my point.
You will never ever change MMO's to what you want. They will always be in a league of their own. They will ALWAYS be time consuming more so than other games, and they will always have no end. You can either get over this fact, and move on to console games where most people who whine about this belong, OR, you can learn to accept it, and maybe say to yourself that you know the requirements of said hobby and genre, and accept and embrace and have fun.
If you go into a MMO, get addicted, due to you're addictive nature, and then try to say it was because it is time consuming, and has no end, YOU are the one who should have researched it before playing, and if you did research it, it was not a problem when you started the game knowing what you were getting into, so why should we care if its a "problem" now? Thats just how i feel. Good day
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