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Odenathus
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I got flooded with tons of useless threads regarding this website, all over the WoW Beta forums. I was just wondering what you thought about this.
Kcusu (I think) has a web site devoted to listing (publicly) the names of any players who ninja loot in game. To prove someone is a villian, you must provide screen shots with your evidence.
Do you think this is a needed community service?
Do you think this counts as player Harrassement?
I think that this service is not really needed. Players with bad reps will be identified in game or from guilds or guild tags. Posting the information in this fashion is just opening yourself up for grief. Besides, I know why I black list someone. I have no idea what your values are for blacklisting someone. How can anyone trust this guys web site to be unbiased?!
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Word of mouth is good enough...a site like this is harassment plain and simple. There are ninja looters who do so accidentally, and it shows, and there are others who do it with noble intentions (long story, involving EQ and a guildmate). A site like this is not needed, because it in itself causes grief, especially in today's gaming society where EVERYONE jumps on the ninja looter train. Repeat offenses are one thing, but sometimes people JUST make mistakes, and something like that just makes the situation worse.
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I think list like those show what people really think is important in a game. Players become so absorbed about what items they get, the rate of their leveling, and whether everyone else is playing the game correctly. In EQ they had a blacklist for my server. I read over it occasssionally and I would just get so irritated over how fast people criminalize anyone who was posted and many times over so little evidence. Too often it just comes down to one person's word over anothers or text logs.
I had a friend on my server who was a real nice guy. Loved helping people. Someone ended up posting my friend on the blacklist. I can't really remember the exact details of the situation, but the guy just jumped the gun too fast. Many people, including myself, ended up posting that my friend did not deserve to be on the list, and it eventually got cleared up. The fact that he ended up under fire like that, bugged him enough that he decided to quit the game.
I've seen too many people being flamed on those boards before he even got a chance to defend himself. I've seen too many people criminalized over very limitted evidence. There is rarely much of a trial, just an execution.
Those sorts of sites just add an element to games that I would prefer not to deal with. Maybe we need to be more worried about who is more fun and enjoyable to group with than trying to figure out which person's gameplay we should ruin by blacklisting them.
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I love it when people bitch about stuff like this. First off, these are mmoRPGs. That means that you role play your character. One experience I had in EQ a long time ago when I first played (about the 2nd year it was out) is when I played a halfing rouge. Well everyone knows rouge = thief. So I went to a place where some guy was muling, he'd set a backpack on the ground, log out, log back in with other char, basic muling job. I was hiding, he set the pack down, logged out and I grabbed it. He logged back in and threw a fit saying he was going to blacklist me, and blah blah blah.
I understand he was pissed because he lost some major uber items, but hell, I played a thief, and that's exactly what I did. And even if I didn't play one, he was the idiot who set a pack full of valuables on the ground. Think of it this way. If you were sitting in say a park, and someone was sitting next to you, he puts a fat bag of money on the ground and walks off, would you take it or leave it?
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Well i am sure you would not be so pleased if that happens to you.
I remember muling once and some dude(a lazy noob as i found out later) tried to steal my stuff.But he misjudged his timing and i logged in when he stole one of 3 bags.
So i did not spam him and told him he was welcome to it as i had loads more at the outpost in overthere.So we took a boat and i asked him to jump off near a cyclop's island and got him killed.
He took me to the xegony server forum but since i had a good rep and obviously he had a bad one.No one supported him.In short he was so daft he had no idea where his body was as i found it a few days later still in same spot with armor on.
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lol a guy who has a DEDICATED site to posting ninja looters, what a loser. ITS A FRIGGIN GAME FOR CHRISTS SAKE.
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I think the reason everyone ignores the fact you are RPing a thief is because it's seen as a half-assed excuse.
Hey, if you like looting/ninjalooting/stealing, more power to ya. In UO (praise be it's name), you can (or more to the point, COULD...) play a really cool thief. You could steal from people. In EQ, you play a "rogue" and swipe bags off the ground. It's not the same.
I have no problem that you steal things. But justifying it with "But I had to cause I was RPing a thief!" is painfully, painfully dumb.
"Hey, the "role" I am playing in UO is a sociopathic mass-murderer who insults his victims and picks their bones clean after I kill them. I am sorry I murdered you in game, but I had to because I had to RP my character! Sorry!" - This is stupid.
In UO, I had a friend who roleplayed a thief quite well. He would chat people up before he stole from them sometimes, and try and act suave about it. It didn't help. People still got angry at him. What you have to realize is that people are losing property. They don't give a damn if you're using "thee" and "thou", or talking about growing up poor in Queynos and being forced to steal. They just lost an item, and in their eyes, it doesn't matter if you're the best RPer in the world, or some local 13-year old l33t d00d jackass. They still lost their stuff.
I just don't get how you can even think that RPing would, in the eyes of the victim, justify the crime. While I don't really mind thieves - in UO, it was a blast, for instance, to play a thief, and rob people blind... while I don't mind them, if you PLAY a thief, be prepared to take a lot of goddamn heat. Because honestly, if you take my shiny new 10k sword in EQ because I screw up and lose it, I wouldn't be happy. And that's the reaction you'll come across a lot. Not "Oh! I have lost the item that took me months to acquire, but to SUCH a roleplayer! Wonderful!".
What reaction are you looking to achieve in games, as a thief? A nice "Oh ho ho, you have fooled me today, Sir Thief!". Or maybe a "Guards, get this scoundrel!" with no hard feelings left behind? EQ doesn't, by the way, have PvP, or calling of guards, or anything. In a true RP enviornment, they could either get the guards to jail you, or try and, if in the wild, murder you. And that'd be it; your character would be risking his very life to do this. In the enviornment of EQ/AO/etc, you are risking nothing but pissing the person off - imagine what kind of reaction you might get, in a world with no physical repurcussion.
I think it really just struck a chord with me when you mentioned RPing as an excuse to steal. Hey, if you wanna steal, steal. Steal all the crap you can, rob everyone, rob me. But using RPing as an excuse is pathetic. It's like you're holding up a little sign that says "RP" because you did something wrong, and hope it'll get you out of it. "Oops, I trained a group. Good thing I'm roleplaying a ranger who hates society and people!". "Oops, I stole a kill. Good thing I RP a selfish, greedy mage!".
Considering that my old guild got blacklisted for the actions of a single member, who was acting on her own and not in any guild capacity, and who was subsequently booted from the guild, I think this sort of thing is a load of donkey dung. Considering that there were only maybe 28 people in the guild, mostly playing less than 10 hours a week, having one person off running raids and cheating people made her the most visible person and wrecked everything for the rest of us who had been having fun in our little, lighthearted guild. Public blacklisting is a mean, stupid practice. But I object to this sort of thing on other, less personal grounds.
First of all, sometimes people make mistakes, and looting something out of ignorance or just by accident, and hurting those people over a mistake is just mean. In the case of a habitual ninjalooter, they will never escape their own reputations. And that reputation spreads like wildfire and doesn't go away.
Secondly, who is actually going to look at this list? I can't imagine taking time out of my game and net time to bother checking up on who is complaining about whom. People need to get a life.
And if you think screenshots don't lie... LOL
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Sorry but saying I am RPing an thief is lame.
If it its part of the game dynamics okay but exploiting missing game functionality (muling chest) is lowest draw but I blame devs too on letting these clearly unwanted occurances happen in the first case.
And what if I portal gank 1/2 a day RPing an asshole(sweet talk highwayman)?
Sorry any thiefing, highway laying,robbing or mugging in not intended way is simply hassment no matter how much you sweet talk it.
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Actually since you been playing since 1997 you would recall a site called UOugly run by a guy called lum the mad.
This ninjalooter.com has (according to him) been a number 1 hit on google.And its even IMHO a poorly designed site .
Lum the mad for his time even had more traffic.It was basically a site in which he made fun and posted pictures of real PKers from UO(though i doubt most of the pics were real).
Strangly enough he did get a lot of response from many of those pkers -ranting and cuzzing hehe.
He also took potshots on everquest and AC which were basically the other 2 popular mmorpg at that time.
Now he had his site banned in court (imagine how far this went lol).
But he opened a sister site and continued to attack the current mmorpg out there.
Now what happened to lum the mad.Did he continue in his worthless quest bashing mmorpg and anti social players?
Nope he got a job in mythic ,because mythic did not want him slagging DAoC as at that time they were feeling very insecure about their soon to be released game
!And last thing they wanted was this well visited site to slag it .