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  • Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by sookster54


     


    My point is that in the NGE it's growing back slowly, a few months ago I posted screenshots of server population in comparison from pre-CU to the NGE (date Dec before my vet trial expired), and a few months ago there were 0 heavy and Bria was the only medium at the time. Now compare the results I post a few months ago to now, it's growing.
     


    I even said before that the devs has tweaked the population status threashold, I know for a fact that servers I played on (Lowca & Tarquinas) were regularly "light" pre-CU but still had 3x more people than it does now with the same status "light".

     

    I've found that the servers get a little busier after a publish, and the recent publish may have given hope to some people to try the game again.

    We'll have to see what it's like again after 2-4 weeks when the excitement of "new content" wears thin.

    It typically gets a little bump after each publish which then goes away.

    With the advent of even smaller and superficial publishes, I expect that effect even to drop.

     

  • smg77smg77 Member Posts: 672
    Originally posted by Sam123jo0123


    I am sure they would shut it down if they were not making a profit.



    Then again what do i know about business.

    You know where a bunch of their profit is coming from? Screwing players over by charging them $50 bucks to transfer *one* character to another server. It's such a racket.

  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156


    Originally posted by smg77

    Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

    I am sure they would shut it down if they were not making a profit.

    Then again what do i know about business.


    You know where a bunch of their profit is coming from? Screwing players over by charging them $50 bucks to transfer *one* character to another server. It's such a racket.
    Precisely, $50 is alot to many of us, sure I could pay $50 but I have better things to spend that much on like food while being head high with bills, mortgage and gas price hikes then $50 becomes sparse ontop of $15/mo.


    Personally I'm hesitant of paying even $15/mo for any game right now while saving up for my summer vacation. The US economy is slowly dwiddling down and it's affecting us in Canada as well and will affect everyone else around the globe and I hope we don't go into another depression like 1929.

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  • ThunderousThunderous Member Posts: 1,152

    Originally posted by sookster54


     

    Originally posted by smg77


    Originally posted by Sam123jo0123
     
    I am sure they would shut it down if they were not making a profit.
    Then again what do i know about business.



    You know where a bunch of their profit is coming from? Screwing players over by charging them $50 bucks to transfer *one* character to another server. It's such a racket.



    Precisely, $50 is alot to many of us, sure I could pay $50 but I have better things to spend that much on like food while being head high with bills, mortgage and gas price hikes then $50 becomes sparse ontop of $15/mo.

     



    Personally I'm hesitant of paying even $15/mo for any game right now while saving up for my summer vacation. The US economy is slowly dwiddling down and it's affecting us in Canada as well and will affect everyone else around the globe and I hope we don't go into another depression like 1929.

    Well you have to remember back in 1929 the world had a lot of dynamic events taking place.  Europe was still recovering from the heavy financial burdens of WW1, Germany was in economic ruin.  The US stock market had very little regulation in place to prevent a recession from falling into a depression.  The Dust Bowl hit the SW of the United States and forced millions out of their agricultural lives...

    A LOT was going on back then that triggered the Great Depression.  Right now the war in Iraq, the ridiculous home loans people all over the USA have been taking out, etc, are contributing heavily to the recession.  There are systems in place to minimize the damage but it will be tough for a few years, if not longer.

    I doubt we will see the Great Depression but it will likely be worse than the late 80's.

    Tecmo Bowl.

  • DragonOakDragonOak Member Posts: 322
    Originally posted by Thunderous


     
    There is two sides of the coin when looking at past issues and comparing them to issues today.  All in all until the drama plays out a absolute comparison can not be made.

    Well you have to remember back in 1929 the world had a lot of dynamic events taking place. 
    As there are many dynamic events happening today, pollution, global warming (no longer a myth), China's production and entrance into the global economy, U.S. military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc.
    Europe was still recovering from the heavy financial burdens of WW1, Germany was in economic ruin. 
    U.S. had barely recovered reckless spending of the 80's and then the entrance of a new political free for all of spending, coupled with 9/11 and the need to build security, two wars on different fronts, and spending the makes the Reagan years look like nickle and dime stuff.
    The US stock market had very little regulation in place to prevent a recession from falling into a depression. 
    Maybe there is more regulation today but U.S. corporations are allowed to run wild with the strengthening of the judicial system to have a more "conservative" (actually corporate) view.  Enron anyone?
    The Dust Bowl hit the SW of the United States and forced millions out of their agricultural lives...
    Global warming and drought hitting areas of the world as never before.  Rising oceans threaten coastal economies and water supplies.
    A LOT was going on back then that triggered the Great Depression. 
    As there is a lot that is triggering events in today's world that can get ugly very fast.
    Right now the war in Iraq, the ridiculous home loans people all over the USA have been taking out, etc, are contributing heavily to the recession. 
    Agreed but are indicative of a greater underlying set of issues in the economy.
    There are systems in place to minimize the damage but it will be tough for a few years, if not longer.
    But when the dam breaks can they really hold the waters of economic disaster back, I hope so, but I think a lot more needs to be done.  Hold my thumb on the leak hoping the dike doesn't break may be all the is required, but it may not.  Are we sure it is not better to play it safe and actually work on the systems more?
    I doubt we will see the Great Depression but it will likely be worse than the late 80's.
    I for one hope you are right, but no one saw the Great Depression coming either.

     

  • Originally posted by sookster54


     

    Originally posted by smg77


    Originally posted by Sam123jo0123
     
    I am sure they would shut it down if they were not making a profit.
    Then again what do i know about business.

    You know where a bunch of their profit is coming from? Screwing players over by charging them $50 bucks to transfer *one* character to another server. It's such a racket.



    Precisely, $50 is alot to many of us, sure I could pay $50 but I have better things to spend that much on like food while being head high with bills, mortgage and gas price hikes then $50 becomes sparse ontop of $15/mo.

     



    Personally I'm hesitant of paying even $15/mo for any game right now while saving up for my summer vacation. The US economy is slowly dwiddling down and it's affecting us in Canada as well and will affect everyone else around the globe and I hope we don't go into another depression like 1929.

    The looming recession, plus a glut of already released and soon to come slate of WOW clones definitely indicates bad times ahead for the industry.

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527

    Each of the recent chapters that have been released of late have had slight increases in population and Ive known people that had played in Pre-Cu and CU and played into the NGE they pay their subs but dont play and thats the case with a lot of the older players come back for these new Chapters try the content get the shinys or get bored and leave again till the next chapter comes out to try the content. So really people can say vets come back or people come into the game but its these people I described are what they are seeing then disapearing again.

    Population SOE wont merge servers for the simple fact of alienating their customers the stubborn ones that refuse to leave the server even if they were offered free transfer or during merge with everything they owned could go thru. The reasons being their communities and their cities so I ask this question why hold on to a ghost town or a dead community ?? Why hold onto a city with no citizens? If the offer given to transfer was free and most up and left that server what makes those stubborn few think that $OE would keep those servers running for the sake of your city less servers equal saved $$$$ and knowing $OE and the way they like money isnt going to keep that server open they would just shut it down forcing those people somewhere else or they would just quit. Its not worth holding on to its really not...

    When Chapter 10 rolls around and the new grouping tool is released it will finally prove how many people are on each server and end the recent debate also how abysmal the population really is.

    I can think of a wild card KAZ I get  a feeling down the road will be making some changes to a lot of SOE's games could be good or bad if what they say about abandoning the PC gamers to a more direct console MMO industry then you can bet these games will be canceled finally but until that is seen this will be a lingering topic.


  • MickeyMannMickeyMann Member Posts: 66
    Originally posted by DragonOak

    Originally posted by Thunderous


     
    There is two sides of the coin when looking at past issues and comparing them to issues today.  All in all until the drama plays out a absolute comparison can not be made.

    Well you have to remember back in 1929 the world had a lot of dynamic events taking place. 
    As there are many dynamic events happening today, pollution, global warming (no longer a myth), China's production and entrance into the global economy, U.S. military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc.
    Europe was still recovering from the heavy financial burdens of WW1, Germany was in economic ruin. 
    U.S. had barely recovered reckless spending of the 80's and then the entrance of a new political free for all of spending, coupled with 9/11 and the need to build security, two wars on different fronts, and spending the makes the Reagan years look like nickle and dime stuff.
    The US stock market had very little regulation in place to prevent a recession from falling into a depression. 
    Maybe there is more regulation today but U.S. corporations are allowed to run wild with the strengthening of the judicial system to have a more "conservative" (actually corporate) view.  Enron anyone?
    The Dust Bowl hit the SW of the United States and forced millions out of their agricultural lives...
    Global warming and drought hitting areas of the world as never before.  Rising oceans threaten coastal economies and water supplies.
    A LOT was going on back then that triggered the Great Depression. 
    As there is a lot that is triggering events in today's world that can get ugly very fast.
    Right now the war in Iraq, the ridiculous home loans people all over the USA have been taking out, etc, are contributing heavily to the recession. 
    Agreed but are indicative of a greater underlying set of issues in the economy.
    There are systems in place to minimize the damage but it will be tough for a few years, if not longer.
    But when the dam breaks can they really hold the waters of economic disaster back, I hope so, but I think a lot more needs to be done.  Hold my thumb on the leak hoping the dike doesn't break may be all the is required, but it may not.  Are we sure it is not better to play it safe and actually work on the systems more?
    I doubt we will see the Great Depression but it will likely be worse than the late 80's.
    I for one hope you are right, but no one saw the Great Depression coming either.

     

          I love to see correlations drawn between the Great Depression and today's economy but aside from the new trend of MMOs replacing other more costly forms of entertainment, the only correlation I noticed in this situation is the recession of players from SOE's MMOs, in this case SWG and the great depression it has caused to its exited player base.

  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,794

    I only bothered to read the first and last pages of this thread so bare with me if what I have to say has been addressed.

    First, SWG pre-CU and post-NGE had other problems far beyond what I have seen posted here. The prominent one being that SWG was a mere shell of what the Star Wars universe was all about. Now, I do not claim to be an expert of Star Wars "lore" and do not plan to dive into a lore vs game debate. However, I will point out this one glaring fact SWG was only a game dressed up to look like Star Wars. One example that always bothered me and finally opened my eyes was the whole Rebel/Imperial are neutral myth of SWG. If I had a character and he was out blowing the heck out of Imperial bases... killing Stormtroopers and doing what Rebels in the Star Wars universe would do, there were no repercusions. One day I could be a part of a group destroying bases while that same day I could walk down the street of Imperial held Coronet and not worry about the Stormtroopers trying to stop me. Even if they did, they were such low level that it wouldn't be a threat. I could go on as to the basically toothless Space game  that was Jump to Lightspeed. Or, could ramble about the smugglerless Smugglers (although they added a lame smuggling of "illicit" items sub game).....but I won't ramble.

    Second, while I am not  a preacher of the "NO JEDI in SWG" crowd, I must say that Jedi walking openly and without menace just did not feel right. In fact, it was little things like that that just made SWG not feel like I was a part of the Star Wars universe of which most have seen or read about.

    Finally, since everyone else went a little off-topic, I must make a couple of observations. 1)  Gobal Warming in not a fact regardless what Al Gore says (follow the money).   2)  Those predicting a "Great Depression" have no clue as to the workings economics.  3)  The recessioin in the 80's was not the "late 80's but rather the early 80's (this can be fact checked) .  4)  The Iraq and Afgan incursions are not seperate fronts in seperate wars but battlefronts in the same war (a little reading of Sun Tzu might be of help).  5)  The U.S. is not in a recession as it takes two quarters of downward growth (U.S. has not had but one quarter of negative growth as the quarter preceding the last one was actually an upward growth quarter. Additionally, pressures for such a recession are mainly politically motivated by politicans wishing to exploit such to their own ends).

    Let's party like it is 1863!

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562


    Originally posted by Gruug
    I only bothered to read the first and last pages of this thread so bare with me if what I have to say has been addressed.
    First, SWG pre-CU and post-NGE had other problems far beyond what I have seen posted here. The prominent one being that SWG was a mere shell of what the Star Wars universe was all about. Now, I do not claim to be an expert of Star Wars "lore" and do not plan to dive into a lore vs game debate. However, I will point out this one glaring fact SWG was only a game dressed up to look like Star Wars. One example that always bothered me and finally opened my eyes was the whole Rebel/Imperial are neutral myth of SWG. If I had a character and he was out blowing the heck out of Imperial bases... killing Stormtroopers and doing what Rebels in the Star Wars universe would do, there were no repercusions. One day I could be a part of a group destroying bases while that same day I could walk down the street of Imperial held Coronet and not worry about the Stormtroopers trying to stop me. Even if they did, they were such low level that it wouldn't be a threat. I could go on as to the basically toothless Space game  that was Jump to Lightspeed. Or, could ramble about the smugglerless Smugglers (although they added a lame smuggling of "illicit" items sub game).....but I won't ramble.
    Second, while I am not  a preacher of the "NO JEDI in SWG" crowd, I must say that Jedi walking openly and without menace just did not feel right. In fact, it was little things like that that just made SWG not feel like I was a part of the Star Wars universe of which most have seen or read about.
    Finally, since everyone else went a little off-topic, I must make a couple of observations. 1)  Gobal Warming in not a fact regardless what Al Gore says (follow the money).   2)  Those predicting a "Great Depression" have no clue as to the workings economics.  3)  The recessioin in the 80's was not the "late 80's but rather the early 80's (this can be fact checked) .  4)  The Iraq and Afgan incursions are not seperate fronts in seperate wars but battlefronts in the same war (a little reading of Sun Tzu might be of help).  5)  The U.S. is not in a recession as it takes two quarters of downward growth (U.S. has not had but one quarter of negative growth as the quarter preceding the last one was actually an upward growth quarter. Additionally, pressures for such a recession are mainly politically motivated by politicans wishing to exploit such to their own ends).

    Nice historical/economic analysis, old friend/adversary. In addition to reading Sun Tzu, they should perhaps actually just look at a map to see the broad strategy that no one is talking about ;)

  • MikeMBMikeMB Member Posts: 272

    Originally posted by salvaje


     
    Originally posted by sookster54


     

    Originally posted by smg77


    Originally posted by Sam123jo0123
     
    I am sure they would shut it down if they were not making a profit.
    Then again what do i know about business.

    You know where a bunch of their profit is coming from? Screwing players over by charging them $50 bucks to transfer *one* character to another server. It's such a racket.



    Precisely, $50 is alot to many of us, sure I could pay $50 but I have better things to spend that much on like food while being head high with bills, mortgage and gas price hikes then $50 becomes sparse ontop of $15/mo.

     



    Personally I'm hesitant of paying even $15/mo for any game right now while saving up for my summer vacation. The US economy is slowly dwiddling down and it's affecting us in Canada as well and will affect everyone else around the globe and I hope we don't go into another depression like 1929.

     

    The looming recession, plus a glut of already released and soon to come slate of WOW clones definitely indicates bad times ahead for the industry.

    Well something to look at.

    Right now Video Games are booming, infact more and more of my real life friends are getting into gaming, this begs the question how come? Well lets look at my Girlfriend and a friend of mine...

    My girlfriend go's to School part time and is a Mother the rest of the time. After gas and food prices she just doesn't have the money or time to go out all the time. However she does own a Xbox 360 that she plays a great deal, and she's also getting a new PC very soon. Her main plan with the PC is to start MMO Gaming, $15 a month isn't too bad for her and it's a small price to pay to keep her entertained.

    On the other end of the coin we have a friend of mine who works as a Bartender. First things first, people hitting the bars is somewhat slowing down. It comes down to gas prices along with saving money, night on the town can cost a good amount. I should note that he himself is a Gamer as well, and is very happy playing on Xbox Live and as of late has people who used to hit the Bar now on Live with him.

    So no bad times are not ahead. Infact if you look back when we did have the recession Entertainment was booming. Be it Movies or back in the 80's Nintendo becoming a big seller.

  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156


    Originally posted by MikeMB
    Well something to look at.
    Right now Video Games are booming, infact more and more of my real life friends are getting into gaming, this begs the question how come? Well lets look at my Girlfriend and a friend of mine...
    My girlfriend go's to School part time and is a Mother the rest of the time. After gas and food prices she just doesn't have the money or time to go out all the time. However she does own a Xbox 360 that she plays a great deal, and she's also getting a new PC very soon. Her main plan with the PC is to start MMO Gaming, $15 a month isn't too bad for her and it's a small price to pay to keep her entertained.
    On the other end of the coin we have a friend of mine who works as a Bartender. First things first, people hitting the bars is somewhat slowing down. It comes down to gas prices along with saving money, night on the town can cost a good amount. I should note that he himself is a Gamer as well, and is very happy playing on Xbox Live and as of late has people who used to hit the Bar now on Live with him.
    So no bad times are not ahead. Infact if you look back when we did have the recession Entertainment was booming. Be it Movies or back in the 80's Nintendo becoming a big seller.

    25 years ago, kids were outside on the streets every day after school and weekends and summer vacation, nowadays the streets are dead quiet except for the occasional screaming 2 year olds you hear in their backyards. I grew up in a townhouse (40 residents), and if you have seen movies like Boyz In Da Hood or Training Day where you go through a neighborhood and see people on sidewalks all over- my townhouse was like that EVERYDAY, but these days nobody dares step afoot outside anymore and games are their form of entertainment and communication these days.


    Console games are growing faster than PC games, it's being discussed on other forums like Call of Duty forums and such that the future for PC games isn't looking good compared to console and that MMOs might become big on consoles soon.


    As you said MikeMB, you know people that are picking up on games, well I was the ONLY person that ever played games until a couple years ago that my old school friend (elementary and high) picked up an X360 and she enjoys it moreso than going out to bars because it's cheaper on money.

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  • cabal001cabal001 Member Posts: 166

    ok when this game actually does shut down we need a .gif of the end of return of the jedi. you know the celebration witht the ewoks. spam it everywhere!

    arguing with a corporate fanboi is like teaching special education.
    even if you teach him something...at the end of the day he's still retarded.

  • spankybusspankybus Member UncommonPosts: 1,367

    Any minute now.....

    DOOM!!!!!

     

    (Three years later)

     

    Any Minute Now....

     

    DOOM!!!!!!

     

    (20 Years, $100,000 in theraphy, and Zero games played later)

     

     

    Any Minute Now....

    DOOM!!!!!!

     

     

    Yes, NGE Sucks. Seriously I've never seen so much concern for a game that the people complaining, aren't playing. It's just weird. But, as long as you're having A good time.

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  • DessanoDessano Member Posts: 76

    SWG will not be shutdowned for the few years atleast.

    It will still be the only StarWars MMO on the market for a few more years. Like MXO like Planetside and other SOE games.

    The new upcoming SW Game is not a truly MMO its different. Its not a killer for SWG, its totaly different game. I am not talking about force unleashed.

  • airstrikeairstrike Member UncommonPosts: 373

     SWG wont die,as long as people are willing to pay money for crap and plus SWG is a niche game SOE will keep it around no matter what for their station package subscription (or what's it called)

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