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Five MMOs > WoW?
Jimmy_Scythe
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So I just found this article over at Massively and was wondering what the forum dwellers over here think about it.
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I think that article is really just trying to point out there are different strokes for different folks. It basically says if you want raiding, you should be in EQ, if you want lore- go to LOTRO- if you want fun- go to Dream of mirror online.
And they mentioned all as an opinion... they do not say that they are right or anything.. I know for me... as good as WoW is, I just can't get into it for very long. LOTRO is the one for me... I love story and it presents a good story to me. And that's my opinion and that's the game I like. Not everyone does and not everyone will.
See for me I once vowed never to play WoW - again...that was until my friend who plays it let me play the new Burning Crusade expansion when I recently visited her on my trip to DC this last week. I really liked what I saw and am...yes...I...Kristi...a person who swore she'd never play WoW again...ever started playing again and I am actually enjoying it. Go figure.
I thought it was crap. I mean they consider Dream of Mirror better than WoW in casual gaming and art style. Better in casual gaming because you can buy items in the cash shop and better art style because it looks like anime.
Too bad it was the last game listed. I would've stopped reading right there and then.
This article is from someomes opinion at what they think is better. It lists games they think are better in one filed.
God I can name things fifa does better than Pro evo, but over all pro evo is a better game imo. Its all about opinions. I can name things streetfighter does better than Soul calibur, and the other way around. I can name things wow does better than Daco and the other way around. Its about opinions.
LoL DREAM MIRROR ONLINE. Dont make me laugh.
I agree with lore and community. I've not played Everquest and I doubt it's better than WoW now, it maybe was when it was released but now? On PvP I don't have any opinion either and more casual; some free game? I doubt it. And where is Guild Wars? However in the end what makes WoW so good is the combination of that pretty much everything in the game is fairly good, instead of just having on great feature.
so dream of mirror suppose to be better than WoW, GW and EQ2 since gw and eq2 weren't on the list.
If I were to describe the article in one word, it would be the word: Failure
It's downright silly to point to a game and then claim "That's a better game because it has better pvp" or "That's a better game because it has better raiding". DAOC may have better pvp, but WoW destroys it in every other area. Same with Everquest, it may have done raiding well (which I completely disagree with) but WoW kicks its butt in every other area.
MMORPG's aren't about doing one thing only. The key to a good mmorpg is to make an overall good experience.
the whole arguement that Lord of the rings online is better then WoW because of its lore is just so absurd I can barely begin to describe. Lore does not make a good game.
and I'm sorry, DOMO? I noticed something just went out of the window, and that thing is credibility.
those games might be better then WoW in those areas, but i'd rather play WoW then all of those 5 mmos at once.
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I think the author of the article was just trying to point out that there are alternatives to WoW in the market today, albeit they may have approached it in a way that every connoisseur of the WoW type of genre may have been insulted by the article, as evidenced in this thread, but the point is that there are alternative MMO's. Hence the reason for this website!!!!! The key is to try those other games until you find a niche, and then don't lock yourself in thinking you will spend the rest of your life with that game.
But as far as your point.............ya, ya, ya................we get it, WoW is absolutely the most outrightly best most polished wonderful awesome totally bitching rocking game that is on the market, and it RoXXers so much nothing will ever replace it.
I think the author of the article was just trying to point out that there are alternatives to WoW in the market today, albeit they may have approached it in a way that every connoisseur of the WoW type of genre may have been insulted by the article, as evidenced in this thread, but the point is that there are alternative MMO's. Hence the reason for this website!!!!! The key is to try those other games until you find a niche, and then don't lock yourself in thinking you will spend the rest of your life with that game.
But as far as your point.............ya, ya, ya................we get it, WoW is absolutely the most outrightly best most polished wonderful awesome totally bitching rocking game that is on the market, and it RoXXers so much nothing will ever replace it.
Not really.I quote directly:
"Here then, are five MMOs better than WoW"
The correct sentence would be: "Here are five alternatives to WoW"
I hardly find myself agreeing with Gameloading, but this time I can't but do so. Not because of a shared taste concerning games (I really dislike the games he seems to enjoy, hehe, but to each their own fun), but this article is very subjective, and fails to back up it's point of view. Instead it builds on flawed statemets, biased comparisons and hints at lack of thorough research. Very bad journalism if you ask me.
Well if you consider that WoW has the most subscriptions, and can be considered the market leader, of course the author is going to use WoW as a focus.
And for the sake of argument let me quote myself "I THINK the author of the article was just trying to point out that there are alternatives to WoW in the market today" which by using the word THINK I made it my opinion. But my post was in reply of your post, which we know was substantial, based on facts, and was not biased in the slightest.
Once again, may we all bow down to the market leader Blizzard for providing us the best most righteous koolist awesome game that is monkie friendly.
Well if you consider that WoW has the most subscriptions, and can be considered the market leader, of course the author is going to use WoW as a focus.
And for the sake of argument let me quote myself "I THINK the author of the article was just trying to point out that there are alternatives to WoW in the market today" which by using the word THINK I made it my opinion. But my post was in reply of your post, which we know was substantial, based on facts, and was not biased in the slightest.
Once again, may we all bow down to the market leader Blizzard for providing us the best most righteous koolist awesome game that is monkie friendly.
My point isn't the fact it uses WoW, my point is that the article claims those MMO's are better then WoW for only one reason.
I'd agree with the article on the points it made regarding the particular strengths of the MMO's it mentioned, however I would dispute the argument that they were "better" than WoW.
If I was to choose an MMO on the basis of 10 individual aspects, I wouldn't go for the MMO that scored super-high in 1-2 of them and medium-low in the rest; I'd go for the MMO that just scored consistently "high" in more or less every aspect..
I've always held the opinion that WoW doesn't do anything earth-shatteringly well; it's just a very polished jack-of-all-trades and as such has the widest appeal of any MMO on the market.
Well if you consider that WoW has the most subscriptions, and can be considered the market leader, of course the author is going to use WoW as a focus.
And for the sake of argument let me quote myself "I THINK the author of the article was just trying to point out that there are alternatives to WoW in the market today" which by using the word THINK I made it my opinion. But my post was in reply of your post, which we know was substantial, based on facts, and was not biased in the slightest.
Once again, may we all bow down to the market leader Blizzard for providing us the best most righteous koolist awesome game that is monkie friendly.
My point isn't the fact it uses WoW, my point is that the article claims those MMO's are better then WoW for only one reason.
No it doesn't say those MMO's are better then WoW overall. It says 5 games better then WoW and then lists them in categories which means they are better then WoW in those categories. He is using a writing style to capture people's attention in the title by being vague and then ties it into his article by clarifying what he means. The tone of the article comes across that the Author probably thinks that WoW is the best overall (since he picks it as the one to beat) and even probably thinks they are the next best game in eachof those categories.
I am not sure about that last choice of DOMO but some of his choices are spot on. For instance if you wantd to play a game based solely on which game has the greatest lore and handles that lore the best then LOTRO would be your best choice, with WoW or EQ2 probably next. If you wanted to play a game solely based on the best PVE Raiding then yes Everquest has the best raids of any MMO made. They were the most epic and they have the most raiding content. If you wanted to play the best game based solely on PVP then Dark Age of Camelot is the best bet.
See what you are assuming is they mean all around those games are better but that isn't what the writer stated at all. And I quote:
"Find out what MMO we think does raiding better than WoW ==>>"
See that they state right there that they mean does raiding better and then talk about EQ1.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Well if you consider that WoW has the most subscriptions, and can be considered the market leader, of course the author is going to use WoW as a focus.
And for the sake of argument let me quote myself "I THINK the author of the article was just trying to point out that there are alternatives to WoW in the market today" which by using the word THINK I made it my opinion. But my post was in reply of your post, which we know was substantial, based on facts, and was not biased in the slightest.
Once again, may we all bow down to the market leader Blizzard for providing us the best most righteous koolist awesome game that is monkie friendly.
My point isn't the fact it uses WoW, my point is that the article claims those MMO's are better then WoW for only one reason.
No it doesn't say those MMO's are better then WoW overall. It says 5 games better then WoW and then lists them in categories which means they are better then WoW in those categories. He is using a writing style to capture people's attention in the title by being vague and then ties it into his article by clarifying what he means. The tone of the article comes across that the Author probably thinks that WoW is the best overall (since he picks it as the one to beat) and even probably thinks they are the next best game in eachof those categories.
I am not sure about that last choice of DOMO but some of his choices are spot on. For instance if you wantd to play a game based solely on which game has the greatest lore and handles that lore the best then LOTRO would be your best choice, with WoW or EQ2 probably next. If you wanted to play a game solely based on the best PVE Raiding then yes Everquest has the best raids of any MMO made. They were the most epic and they have the most raiding content. If you wanted to play the best game based solely on PVP then Dark Age of Camelot is the best bet.
See what you are assuming is they mean all around those games are better but that isn't what the writer stated at all. And I quote:
"Find out what MMO we think does raiding better than WoW ==>>"
See that they state right there that they mean does raiding better and then talk about EQ1.
Not really. If they were trying to argue that those games are better then WoW in just one aspects, the correct sentence would be: "Here then, are five MMOs better than WoW in certain aspects", Not just "Here then, are five MMOs better than WoW"
But aside from that point, I find it hard to take the article seriously. "the maximum size for new raids is an incredible 54 people". That is hardly impressive when you consider that Lineage 2 has 150+ man raids.
There is no correct title. Maybe sensationalist journalism is different in Europe but here in America Journalists always use Titles to get your attention. In many instances the title may only be slightly related to the actual article.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
wow is simply just boring :P
Ok so I went to the article and I will have to agree with them.
These 5 games are the best at what they do.
EQ1 is the best raiding game on planet earth.
DAoC has the best PvP ever produced.
LotRO has much better Lore
EvE has a massive community
and DoMo seems to be a very fun casual friendly game.
I would have to say these guys are 100% correct.
For those here who critiscize the title, or the fact that each of those games is only better in one aspect, you forget to look at the article from the eyes of someone who IS looking for something BETTER than WoW.
You've played WoW, you have seen that yeah it is good, but it misses that one thing YOU desire most: PvP/Cuteness/Lore/Raiding...
There just isn't ENOUGH of that one thing you want.
Picture (or google) a Pentagon Graph where the five characteristics are the five corners of the graph:
PvP, Raiding, Lore, Community, Casual-Fun-Stylish-Gameplay (That last one looks like cheating -.-)
WoW has all 5 characteristics filled evenly, yet not filling any of them (possibly contrary to popular belief), creating an enjoyable experience for nearly everyone out there. It is the food that can be enjoyed by all.
Now, each one those other games completely fills one aspect of that pentagon chart, while reducing the quality of those other 4 areas.
This article is for those who played WoW and go:
I want MORE PvP.
I want MORE Lore.
I want MORE Raiding.
I want MORE Community.
I want MORE Casual-Fun-Stylish-Gameplay. (<- Still cheating -.-)
Yeah, WoW is good, but for those people who enjoy EvE, Everquest, DAoC, LotRO, or Dream of Mirror Online... it isn't better than those.
Those people value something else, and WoW does not meet their standards.
(Edit! Apologies left out DAoC and EQ!)
Awww you left out DAoC, I prefer to PvP so I play DAoC.
Don't pull the "it's a cultural thing" card. Journalism is no difference in that regard. I'm not even referring to the title, I'm referring to the words used in the actual article.
Don't pull the "it's a cultural thing" card. Journalism is no difference in that regard. I'm not even referring to the title, I'm referring to the words used in the actual article.
You are taking it out of the context of the article. I can't tell if you are doing it on purpose or truely do not understand the flow of the article so here I will explain it.
Here then, are five MMOs better than WoW – and why. Each takes some aspect of World of Warcraft and blows it away. Some of the games are old, some new, but all are excellent games -- and perhaps you will think so, too.
Here are the sentances where the author conveys that these games are better then WoW. Sure if you stop at the part in red then you might think the same way that Gameloading is, but if you follow up that statement with the part is green then you can see that the author clearly conveys that the MMOs are only better in certain aspects of World of warcraft. That statement in green pretty much shoots your arguement down Gameloading.
Edit *** And that wasn't a "cultural thing card" that was an honest statement. I don't know how journalism is handled there because while I did live in Europe for 3 years I lived in a country where I couldn't read any of their news at all. (Icelandic is way too hard of a language lol)
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Well if you consider that WoW has the most subscriptions, and can be considered the market leader, of course the author is going to use WoW as a focus.
And for the sake of argument let me quote myself "I THINK the author of the article was just trying to point out that there are alternatives to WoW in the market today" which by using the word THINK I made it my opinion. But my post was in reply of your post, which we know was substantial, based on facts, and was not biased in the slightest.
Once again, may we all bow down to the market leader Blizzard for providing us the best most righteous koolist awesome game that is monkie friendly.
My point isn't the fact it uses WoW, my point is that the article claims those MMO's are better then WoW for only one reason.
And my point was to make a point about your point being the point about WoW was only one point of the equation of many other MMO's that could be the point of the point.
Was that a joke? I've raided extensively in both and while EQ was good for the community and camping/griefing of bosses, from a technical standpoint WoW beats it in every way. Only reason the article says it's better is because of it's raid size, well in that case shouldn't L2 be the best raiding game?