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will you go back to warcraft if warhammer(or conan) delivers ?
yayitsandy
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to people i ve spoken to in warcraft there is a feeling that a lot of players will leave for warhammer but return to warcraft after the release of the lich king . personally i m not sure this ll happen if warhammer ends up being a popular game . personally i proberbly will go back at some point after the lich kings out to level up to 80 . but i m not sure i ll rush back . whats the point . the game will be cheaper 6-9 months after its release and also blizzard make everything easier to obtain after a few months .so if i m enjoying warhammer (or conan) it may be quite a while before i return . variety is the spice of life after all . i dont think there will be a wow killer for a long time but i do think they are about to see a sharp decline in thier user base although i still think wow will remain a very succesful game .
what do you think ?
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Tbh, i'm not planning on returning to WoW ever, they need to add new things to it instead of the same things over and over again. A new raid dugeon isn't a new thing, it's just more of the same that's already in the game.
In case WAR doesn't deliver "it" for me, i'm going to try out AoC, and if that doesn't stick either i'm just going to keep at it with my CoX game, my one true love so far.
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i'm planning on moving on to war or AOC and never coming back because seriosuly i've played wow since launch and i'm starting to think that i should move on but if both of those games suck then i'm gonna buy lich king and come back and wait for the next newline of games
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I think you forget by the time the next expantion comes for wow there could be at least 4 if not 5 AAA+ titles out,You only mention WAR and AoC but you fail to mention AION and TCoS not to mention Stargate.
Do I think any of these are a "wow killer" lol no I dont,though it is a simple fact if a couple of these release as they should then they will do very well,dont forget mmo games were around for along time before wow,but wow did bring aloand I do mean ALOT of new mmo players to the table.
You dont need,what is it now 10 millon subs to make a good mmo like wow has,I good 300k is a nice result but today maybe a very good mmo will get 1million and how much hand rubbing will the devs and publisher do with that?
Dont be fooled by WOW's numbers,that wont happen again,or at least I think not.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
The way i see it, WoW has become the CS 1.6 of the MMO-world. Alot of people will continue to play it for a long time, but there is still room for other games on the market. People have not stopped playing other FPS' but it is still CS 1.6 that dominates that market.
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Before World of Warcraft please remember companies like Microsoft blew opportunities to advertise games that could have boomed the market like Ashteron's Call.
Fact of the matter is Blizzard simply capitalized on the opportunity and in return reaped the benefits. Is Microsoft hurting because they chose a different route? Absolutely not.
If a company develops an MMO with an edge following the principles of Role-Playing as people grew up on but make the systems more user friendly and unique then they very well could do the same thing. People who play WoW play WoW because they LIKE WOW. People will pay to play a game THEY LIKE.
People should stop supporting rehashing and the MMO's nowadays that have become a hamster-on-a-wheel.
Hit them where it hurts. Their pockets.
Hell no I won't ever return if WAR or AoC delivers. I'm just getting way burned out on it and like someone else said nothing really new ever gets added to WoW. Just more of the same. Hell only reason I play now is to PvP and do arena with my brother and friends.
I think that the WoW players that like PvP will migrate to WAR because the RvR in WAR will be a hell of a lot better than any PvP that WoW has to offer. The players that like PvE however will most likely stay with WoW for the most part. Will WAR be a WoW killer? no but it will take a big bite from Blizzards pie.
I play WoW for about 1-2 months a year, which gives me enough time to burn through the minimal content Blizzard adds that appeals to me (Raids and Arena are duds to me).
I'll likely try AoC and Warhammer, and if either can hold my attention for an extended time, I'll definitely leave WoW on the shelf. WotLK looks like a snoozefest to me, with nothing really new or exciting to offer (a new alt class! Woo-freakin-hoo!). I can't imagine WotLK making me reactivate WoW for more than 1 month, and if other games (MMOs or otherwise) have my attention when WoW expands, I can easily see myself passing on more of the same from Warcraft...
I think that the WoW players that like PvP will migrate to WAR because the RvR in WAR will be a hell of a lot better than any PvP that WoW has to offer. The players that like PvE however will most likely stay with WoW for the most part. Will WAR be a WoW killer? no but it will take a big bite from Blizzards pie.
Oh God no lol. I was referring to WoW itself ;-)
"...rehashing...": same old sh*t just higher levels and nothing refreshing new.
"...hamster-on-a-wheel...": Go on, ten more levels more gear to grind. Yay. New raid dungeon more gear to grind. More factions...for gear. More battlegrounds...for gear.
I think that the WoW players that like PvP will migrate to WAR because the RvR in WAR will be a hell of a lot better than any PvP that WoW has to offer. The players that like PvE however will most likely stay with WoW for the most part. Will WAR be a WoW killer? no but it will take a big bite from Blizzards pie.
Oh God no lol. I was referring to WoW itself ;-)
hehe you have my heartfelt apologies
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The more important question for me is if/when i will try these other games in the first place. I am wary of both games in this case after seeing what Funcom did to AO (4 of my family played and now none do) and of course WAR has the heavy stone of EA around it's neck now which means if it doesn't perform to their expectations they will just pull the plug.
I will be sticking with WoW until one of these or the other batch of games prove what they have to the market. Yes i know that it is hard for games to prove themselves if people don't subscribe in the first place, but believe me that it will be even harder for them if they get a mad rush but half the subs leave after a month because they don't deliver what was expected.
We are in a good position now as players that there are a number of decent games already at market so we don't have to rush into new games and put up with all that entails.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
most fans that I have spoken too.....
the "pvpers" wont be back and will play war even if it bombs. I know myself I will play warhammer online even if it launched with the beta it has today. Warcraft is something I will only play so I can cover news on it. balanced player vs player combat is what I like. time to move on to better and newer things.
Keeping in mind that Mythic is famous (notorious?) for not balancing individual classes all that well, but tend to look at things from a broader group based perspective. Between two individual characters of differing classes there may exist huge imbalances, and they won't mind that, as long as somewhere out there another class is a strong counterbalance to it.
I won't be going back to WOW regardless how any of the new games fair this year (not sure why folks totally disregard AION and COS as possible successes) as I'll just stick with EVE.
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I agree with some of the posters above that WAR and AoC both look at this point to be a better fit for me as a PvP enthusiast. Even with all its flaws early on I had a blast playing DAoC and have more faith in Mythic than I do in most game developers. I'm affraid that both will be left shelved if Darkfall can ever release and deliver but I have little hope for that at this point, I think it is more likely that it will end up Dark and Light part 2. To answer the original question, no I am on my last couple months of WoW no matter what happens with any other game.
Stop whining and login so I can kill you!
I dont think any game will be a WoW killer soon. Even if WAR might have the potential to be as successful as LotoRO recently, or even better. AoC, on the other hand, seems to be a bad joke from all I've heard about it, in almost every respect. The only "advantage" it has seems to be its being extremely bloody.To answer the original question. I won't go back to WoW now, then or ever. I am really hoping one of these coming mmo's delivers.
Lets say 500,000 people leave WoW to go play AoC and another 500,000 leave WoW to go play WAR. That is saying a lot right there, 1,000,000 folks leaving to go play other games. WoW says, NO PROBLEM! They've still got 9,000,000 people playing WoW with more joining their game every day.
It is a win-win-win situation for everyone. People who leave to go play WAR or AoC were gonna leave anyway. I'm willing to be that at least 1/2 of those will crawl back to WoW within the first year. It isn't a knock against WAR or AoC, it is just the natural course of events around WoW. People leave and go back later all the time.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
There will always be something better, but it occurs in the midst of the various "flops".
UO, for example, was the game of its time.
WOW was the game of its time. Perhaps it still is...
But it won't last indefinately. The point is to enjoy what's available.
And lastly, the MMORPG models and sandboxes out there will evolve. Many are duplicating the WOW model right now....
I agree that WAR won't kill WoW, WoW has a very large devoted fan-base.
However, I despise people who just say that Warhammer sucks without doing a bit of looking into it. And if you saw a negative review of it and came to the immediate conclusion that it will suck, I can guarantee you that it is in the minority of reviews. Most reviews so far are very positive, and the game is still in beta with lots of bugs to work out (and on the lowest graphics settings).
Furthermore, as some others have pointed out, Warhammer is not yet out, and so, you can't really judge how it will be.
If someone has done REAL research into WAR and still thinks they prefer WoW, then that is your preference, and you are entitled to it.
However, just because Warhammer concentrates of RvR (PvP), and attracts PVPers, does not mean that PvE will suck and that anyone who likes PvE will only play WoW. On the contrary, WAR has a very, very detailed lore, and public quests allow for immediate group questing from level one forward. Public Quests are designed in stages, each stage having a different objective, eventually ending with a boss fight and distribution of loot based on contribution and rolls. WAR will have around 300 public quests. What I consider to be the best innovation of public quests is that they allow for anyone to contribute and work together to beat it, without having to be in a group (or have to spend hours spamming chat or w/e to find a group). WAR also has more features that are great for PvE, such as the Tome of Knowledge, which basically keeps track of everything, general quest area tracking, lairs, "christmas quests," (rewards+quests for exploring off the beaten path) , dungeons also, elimination of % drop quests, rewarding for kill count quests if you've already done them (thanks to the Tome of Knowledge), quest map tracking, etc.
Also, Warhammer will easily have more than 100k people switching from WoW. Over 600,000 (much more than any previous MMO btw) people are signed up for the beta alone, and since WoW has about 62% of current MMO subscribers, it only makes sense statistically that at least half of those 600,000 are coming from WoW. How many of them will be going back to WoW w/ WOTLK, depends on how good the game is. It also follows that that will also affect how many people beyond the beta applicants will switch from WoW to WAR.
Personally, I like the look of the greenskins in WAR, i think they look badass, and much prefer it over the more cartoony look of WoW. Just because you think they look bad doesn't mean everyone does, and that the greenskin population will be low, and in fact, on the forums greenskins are just as popular as any other race.
Also, WoW may have just as many people quitting as a result of WOTLK as coming back/joining. I'm betting that once people see the pure number of people that will be running around as (most likely OP) death knights, they will get annoyed and quit.
Although, one thing I would say that is positive about WoW is that the balance is not as bad as many people say. I have seem people of every class owning PvP at different times if they're geared and skilled enough, but mostly gear.
However, beyond that, WAR will easily destroy WoW in everything PvP. Besides having balanced classes, WAR will have everything you do (including PvE) go towards the victory points which will go towards zone control, and eventually city sieges (where you can capture and destroy an enemy city, fighting enemy race bosses/leaders, etc, for the best gear in the game). In WAR you can get EXPERIENCE and LOOT from killing ENEMY PLAYERS (looting works like looting a mob, you're not taking the player's items). Keep sieges and siege weaponry will truly overshadow WoW's attempts to add in similar, but in the end, lacking systems as a counterattack. With collision detection and LOS blocking by players, tanks in WAR will actually be able to use tanking mechanics to protect allies (besides physically blocking enemies and their LOS, they can also knockback, taunt to reduce enemy damage to all but themselves, etc).
Tons of character customization in WAR with 24 unique classes (all fitting 4 archetypes/roles), customizable tactics (which are basically switchable passive increases, which can be switched in between battles), morale abilities (which are powerful abilities that become available the longer you're in combat), career mastery, which = talents only more in-depth, armor dying and trophy slots on characters to customize look beyond the initial look customization options.
Great post, however I disagree with your premise WAR will have balanced classes. You watch, people will be screaming. (but of course, they always do)
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
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Battlekruse that is perhaps the most awsome post I have read in a while. Right on Man...
To be honest WoW will always be what it is...and thats why I'd never come back, I've been happily WoW free for a year and a half. Even if WAR flopped harder than a boulder off a cliff I wouldn't come back. Does this mean WoW suxs? no...it just means I personally dislike their handling of all things that they do. I haven't personally been happy with it since the brought the Raid Dev's over from EQ1...and their attitude to the community at the time.
WAR for the win in my opinion...maybe it won't destroy wow like so many people keep trying to assume they're trying to do..maybe it'll knock it down a notch who knows...as long as its good...I'm there. I don't need 10 million people playing the same game as me to know that its a good game.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Hm.. im currently playing wow.. well not really, since my account was hacked 3 days ago, but continuing:
I like WoW.. since i started to play it, i discovered all there is to discover in PRE-TBC, and pretty much Owning content in TBC.
However, as much i liked the initial concept of WoW, truth being, IM FULL OF IT, i can't play it mroe than a couple of minutes without getting sick of the game (only in raids i have some fun).
I dont even explore new zones anymore , cause the content is all the same, with different looks.
No i wont buy WOTLK, and yes i will jump to AION: Tower of Eternity, with me, shall go about 10-20 wow PLayers, will it be a good move? i dont know but i surely hope so.
Even if Aion doesnt deliver, coming back to wow is a bit out of the equation.. i think WoW lifespan has ended, the new Subribers they have are in Asia, where the game launcher later.
Amen ! They Pulled The plug on Earth an Beyond thats why im scared to get any hopes this game will last till i see 3 years into it!
I belive that Earth and Beyond lasted 2 years and i put 6 months into it to watch it die... Today i still belive they sold the servers to World Of Warcraft.. 2002 was the end of E @ ; B so thats just my feeling..
www.earthandbeyond.ca/
Im just sick of World of Warcraft ! Same old stuff, i have to say if they pull some of the players money out there walets and give players what there looking for they still have me and others like myself stay and prase them... But no they dont care about Change, its all the same next 10 levels !
War and AOC is working hard to not become that same old WOW Grind Mill ! From what i can see..