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Libs gone Wild! CA. Liberal proposes 1,500% increase on da booze
unconformed
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the stanky, communist foot got in the door with the tobacco tax increase...so logically booze should follow.
of course we all know how bad butter is for you...
"Mom, please flush it all away"
chips, dips chains & whips.
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I'm only posting here because you made yet another Tool reference in one of your posts...good job.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I'm still waiting for that gigantic earthquake where CA sinks into the ocean.
Edit: Just FYI, I made this post completely unaware of unconformed's post in another thread mentioning commifornia floating away.
Now with 57.3% more flames!
The other half of me has been to those beaches and quite a sight if your a man that is.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
This will go nowhere.
TORT REFORM: I am in favor of "settlement panels". Easy for the judge to look at a "best practice" settlement per offense. Who needs litigation when we can save time and money by cutting out the middle man through "comparative effectiveness"?
Way to use spin! It's a 15 times increase on the tax, not the entire bottle of booze. Furthermore, it started at 2 cents. Sure, this is a huge multiplier, but 28 cents just doesn't seem as dramatic.
But it wont stop at 28 cents will it? Cigarettes started with small taxes. Here in michigan now- There's 2 dollars in taxes on every pack. 4th highest in the nation.
I started rolling my own smokes to save money and I do so while out at MY Coney Island... with all the tip money I throw around in there, it might as well be considered rent. Last night this big fat guy came in, saw me rolling smokes and waddled over scowling at me. He started shaking his head and turned around muttering something about me to his friend.
I called out full blast: "Oh- and like you're the perfect picture of health! Mind your own god damn business!"
There was laughter and applause and the fat guy was humiliated into a full retreat. He stayed about 15 minutes, complained about the service, stiffed the waitress and left.
A little off topic but I had to share. The point is people don't like being pushed around and told what to do, espeically by people no better than they are.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Aegis must be a liberal/commie/leftist/greenie or whatever those people call themselves these days. It's no big deal, just a few extra cents here and there until you wake up standing in a govt soup line.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
It's probably no big deal for me since I don't smoke or drink. If they instituted a $5 tax on video games then I'd probably be upset.
Sounds okay to me to tax vice, given that I don't smoke or drink. I would make it a federal tax though. If you choose to not take care of your body then you should have to pay more social security tax for your future medical bills. Then people can drink or whatever they want, but then at least they have to be responsible.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Studies have established that people who are fat/smoke/drink/die earlier cost the government less money in medicare than their longer living healthier counterparts. Why? Because it's cheaper to care for a less healthy person for 3 years than it is to care for a healthy person for 15 years.
Now with 57.3% more flames!
Studies have established that people who are fat/smoke/drink/die earlier cost the government less money in medicare than their longer living healthier counterparts. Why? Because it's cheaper to care for a less healthy person for 3 years than it is to care for a healthy person for 15 years.
I can only find one, which doesn't really provide a consensus.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Studies have established that people who are fat/smoke/drink/die earlier cost the government less money in medicare than their longer living healthier counterparts. Why? Because it's cheaper to care for a less healthy person for 3 years than it is to care for a healthy person for 15 years.
Smoke,Drink,fat,Ugly,Die sooner,FACT
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Reminds me of years ago when our town mayor said the new tennis courts would only cost as much as a pack of cigerettes a day. That is spin. I don't smoke nor did I want the tennis courts. Let the poeple who are going to use them, fund them!
grab your ankles.
chips, dips chains & whips.
If u think this is bold wait tell the Dems get 60 seat majority in the Senate this November,which will give them closure vote..which means they shut down debate at will,stop all judges vote,basically do WTF they want.Its going to interesting to see how Mc cain deals with it.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
I know the government makes a killing off these but here's another logical arguement.
If social security is going to fall apart in X amount of years, do we really want all these people who would have otherwise drank and smoked themselves to death around??????
We could decrease people applying by porobable 15 to 20 %
whereas if alcholol and tobacco have a tax of 1000% or more less people will die.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
I'm allowing myself to comment because I live in the "Tri-State" Area. The most industrialized area of all of America. (NY, NJ, PA officially. Unofficially.... they add CT, VT, NH, to the mix.)
I might be wrong, but NY has the highest cig tax in the country. It's almost the entire cost of the pack!!!
NYC drug dealers have even resorted to buying up cartons, then re-selling them in NYC for a huge profit. The lowest end drug dealers make the 5 min cross into certain towns in NJ, and are still able to make a nice profit. The better drug dealers go further south and buy up cartons. The profits they make are insane!! Yes, as unbelieveable as it is, drug dealers are now selling cigs LOL!!! They are all over lower Manhattan, standing outside Subway stations during the morning rush hours.
I agree it's insane how far the persecution of some laws have gone! It's now being pushed to ban cigs in Casinos in NJ!!!
But I will tell everyone here something -
It's not the fault of liberals, pinkies, commies, pinkos, greens, tree huggers, etc...
It's the full fault of me, you, everyone who does not get fully involved. If the people on one side of an issue get fully involved, but the people on the other side of an issue don't get fully involved... guess which side will win no matter what? No matter how crazy or insane or lopsided their side is?
In NJ bar owners, casino owners, even Howard Stern, tried to get people riled up. It worked for a while, they even had strippers standing along roads with signs with info on who to write to, and where to protest, etc... It got the attention of newspapers, and TV.
But the pro-freedom people, the people on the side of freedom of choice, never stuck it out. Their involvement waned after a few months. And finally the ultra-strict laws got passed. Smoking is banned in bars (now that's wierd!). Smoking is being banned inside casinos! (even more wierd!).
People claim they are patriotic, pro-American, pro-freedom. Then get fully involved, and stay fully involved!
Find out what politicians to write, and write to them. Hand out flyers with information to people who agree with you. Post signs on your car, on your lawn, carry them. Protest in front of the buildings where those politicians work. Protest in front of TV and newspaper buildings to force the press to cover it. Always explain your side of the issue in a calm, mannerable way.
Drool at the thought of only 2 dollars in tax. We pay $10 dollars in tax on each pack of 20.
I think its a good idea. We will be making alot of money in the state from out of state tourists. Finally Kentucky can contribute to our expanding prison system. But when you think about the increase, it may help curb the serious crashes we encounter in the state. I work graveyard and have seen an entoxicated driver atleast one time a night. When you think about the fact there is a serious wreck in my city every 2 hours...
Also only if they can legalize weed, to charge alot for users.
I know you may love drinking gallons of cheap Booze. But in the end this is a good way of saving lives and saving money.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Well, if you gave up smoking you would live longer and save a boat-load of money even before a tax hike. So you want to grumble while you kill yourself (and anyone foolish enough to sit by you as you roll your cigs and smoke them
) and end up poor? And since the majority of people in this country don't smoke, should care why? I would also speculate that there is a no smoking in public places law where you were. Seems to me you're not so much interested in preventing other from "pushing us around" as you are with indulging in your bad habits at the risk of others.
There is nothing more evil, nothing quite so malign as a do gooder.
rofl...this is funny to read. People saying that these taxes and laws are a good thing because it DOESN'T EFFECT THEM.
Let me tell you something....you turn the other cheek as your brother's rights are taken away, and he'll do the same when it comes to you, ok?
That's right. When they start charging luxury taxes for SUVs, gym memberships, fast food...where will it stop?
It won't. You let them get away with one thing (tobacco, for example) and it will start a chain reaction.
And let's take a look at the long term impacts of these kinds of things. Over the last two years in Colorado, cigarette taxes have been increased dramatically, and smoking bans in ALL public places (including casinos and bars) have been put into effect. If you don't smoke, you may not think it bothers you...but it does.
Bars and casinos began to close because people started drinking at home, or gambling out of state. This resulted in lost jobs, and lost revenue for the state, who of course has to pick up the slack elsewhere by taxing something else. I was personally effected, since I at the time managed a tobacco store. Not only was my store closed down, but the owners closed down every store they owned in the state, resulting in lost jobs for every single employee.
Don't forget also that music venues suffered as well. Less turn out for concerts and shows as a result of a smoking ban means that performers make less money, meaning they pass over those locations in their tour. This has the effect of increasing the cost of music media, to make up for the difference in income from the live performances.
And this is from tobacco alone. So when they start raising taxes on alcohol, fast food, etc...businesses are going to suffer, jobs are going to be lost, and this effects YOU.
Especially with the price of gas going up, and up, and up....
How will this chain reaction manifest itself?
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How will this chain reaction manifest itself?
think about it logically for a moment. If people let this runaway truck we call a government take away one freedom without a fight, and next thing you know they take another...and another...and another.And...how about this....think of the money generated by tobacco taxes. What happens when everyone quits? Do you think they will be content losing all that tax money? Where will they pick up the slack?
And here's a scary thought...in Colorado Springs, the smoking ban wasn't voted in...it was simply put into action. We had NO say in it at all. The ban effects the little town of Manitou Springs, where I live, since it's part of greater CoSP. This is a town that depends on tourist traffic, and it's also the "gateway" to the city of Cripple Creek, where our casinos are.
People find out they can't smoke in our bars and casinos, and suddenly we make a LOT less money. The entire local economy suffers.