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PvP in Eve?
Sipherdiaz
Member Posts: 5
in EVE Online
So im really looking for a better PvP game (ive been playing WoW) and Eve in general looks like a really fun game, I gave it a try for a week a long while back but didnt really enjoy it, I remember I got a corp and got out to 0.0 space and they decided to go PvPing. The PvP consisted of 5-10 of us sitting at a gate for 15mins - an hour and waiting for someone to warp through, then blasting the crap out of him.
This didnt really seem fun, or challenging so I shelfed the game and went back to WoW.
Anyway so im wondering did I just get a bad view of the game? Or is that really the PvP? If not what is the PvP in Eve all about?
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That was gate camping. I don't really see it as PvP, just defending territory. There are also fleet battles, which I don't really like myself (200+ ships vs 200+ other team ships! YEAH!). But seriously, if you like that, then props to you, I couldn't find myself to like fleet battles.
My personal favorites, are pirate encounters, or tournaments. For the pirate part, me and a group of friends go around (usually 3-8 of us in all), and look for pirates in 0.4-0.1. And then we kill em. Well, the jackasses at least. And the tournaments usually are corp/alliance dependent. I like doing all t1 (That's right, no t2, no faction stuff) frigates or cruiser tournaments. Maybe a bc once in a while. Oop, forgot to say, most of the tournaments I go to are usually FFA, 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 fights.
That is my idea of pvp in eve, and like that part. Others will probably say otherwise.
Same here! Though I've never thought about doing some kind of tournament, good idea.
I also like to jump into 0.0 with some friends, normally around places that have low secs. leading to 0.0... always pirates around to kill.
-iCeh
hrm thinking of giving it another shot, been watching some vids on youtube its alot different then what my experience was.
JW after some of these fleet battles they collect the loot the other ships "dropped" do they usually keep it for themselves or give it back to the corp? JW
Bashing another fleet and strengthening your own corp with the salvage seems like a neat concept
I've been in a few corps and alliances. And it's corp/alliance dependent. Some say to drop em all in cans in an area and trader ships come out and collect em, or some just say loot and keep goin.
Awesome man, thanks for the feedback so far.
Also, in WoW its possible to start as classes very gimped for PvP, or be a spec that no one wants to play with. I also had trouble grouping with my friends because our classes didnt have good "synergy". Is it this way in Eve? or can I pretty much go out with anyone and PvP? Is there a certain path I need to take to be useful?
So, in a way, you need good synergy to pvp well, but you can't really synergy wrong. You can just use your synergy against an opponent less effected by it than others.
This little story portrays to pve, but it's sorta the same concept. My friend was gallente, I was amarr, I had an armageddon, and wanted to do level 4 missions, but I couldn't tank well enough on some of them (Although, armageddon really isn't a tank <_<), but we found a way around it. I'd warp in first, catch aggro, then he'd warp in, and use the cruiser/bc that had bonuses to armor repairs, and so, he repaired me to help me tank the mobs and I could concentrate more on damage to kill them with.
But in pvp it's different, you kinda need to know a good some about it before you do it. Try and find a good newbie friendly corp/alliance to join, and ask around for help. Don't worry, I still remember my days of feeling like a noob asking those questions =p.
Or you could try the Red Vs. Blue war raging in Empire space. It's free to join, free to leave anytime. Dig around in the EVE-O forums, you'll find the threads.
One other thing: You'll want to really study ship fittings and how they work if you want to be effective in PVP. Your corpmates can help with that if they're smart and/or experienced, but there's a whole lot of info on fittings in guides etc. you can find on EVE-O and these forums. Just look through the sticky posts.
EVE is very much about PVP, I think you'll have a grand time once you get the hang of small unit tactics.
Well anyone can buy any type of ship and go out there and fight, but its the skills that a person has that dictates their style of play. And from my week or so experience of the game, skills take a LOOOONG time to level.
Well anyone can buy any type of ship and go out there and fight, but its the skills that a person has that dictates their style of play. And from my week or so experience of the game, skills take a LOOOONG time to level.
From my two years of playing. It doesn't take that long to start. To be an expert in an area, yea, that takes time. But most low level skills don't take that long to train...
Skills don't take a long time. They really Don't and this is coming from someone whose a capital ship pilot. The reason for this is that your not doing anything to level the skills so you just don't worry about them. Capitals are generally regarded as the pain in the ass skill training (6 months+ for the cap use only skills). The 7 month it took me to learn the skills I didn't have to stop doing what I was enjoying to do so the skills just kept plugging away in the background. You shouldn't be going after the things that take a long time till you have a solid base of skills to allow you to do what you enjoy in the first place.
Also check out Agony Unleashed. They run PVP classes that teach you everything from basic stuff like aligning your next destination all the way up to EWAR training.
You can get an idea of what classes they offer here.
I spent four months training good skills for PvP. Do NOT fool yourself into thinking that decent PvP skills don't spend a great deal of time to train. That's how long it took me to train each of my three characters (I had three accounts) to use three well-fit PvP ships. I got the setups from Eon magazine and bought the ships and mods by legally selling game time cards. Then I practiced ad nauseum, and set forth looking for pirates on an AWESOME computer and connection. The result? Took me about thirty seconds to die. All three of them. After that experience I set back and took a look, and realized a couple things. First, if you aren't a DIE HARD player, Eve pretty much runs out of things to interest you. I mean, have you guys done some missioning? I mean, REALLY done some missions? Talk about GRIND. Even with awesome social skills. So then you need to PvP but . . . you know, all it takes is to get warp jammed by a group more powerful than you, and then there just isn't anything you can do. Bye-bye expensive ship. That leaves the casual gamer out in the cold. And that's a cold hard fact, no matter how strongly you feel about this game. The content for casual gamers is badly lacking. Missions are BORING. PvP is INTENSE and COSTLY, both in terms of time and ISK.
And you made the greatest and simplest mistake you can. You thought Isk and XP could win battles. EVE is more than skills and isk, you need relationships and teamwork. The skills and isk come with time required to build the relationships and teamwork. Hence skill train just fine because you want to learn how to fight effectively cheaply before you start throwing isk at a problem.
And you made the greatest and simplest mistake you can. You thought Isk and XP could win battles. EVE is more than skills and isk, you need relationships and teamwork. The skills and isk come with time required to build the relationships and teamwork. Hence skill train just fine because you want to learn how to fight effectively cheaply before you start throwing isk at a problem.
No, I didn't think ISK and XP can win battles. But I did think that 18 month old characters with 4 months of specific training and expensive mods and ships should be able to survive more than thirty seconds.
I'm sure we won't agree on that. But here's something I think you should agree with - the missions are DULL. A real grind in the worst sense. I agree, teamwork is important. But it isn't something that the casual gamer can really do well. I'm just never able to join in with gangs that usually last for hours. So again, what is there in Eve for the person like me who can't devote more than, say, ten hours per week MAX, usually much less, to playing the game? Answer - not much. Like I said, I think you will agree with me that the missions are the worst sort of grind.
It saddens me to leave Eve - I did it once before with the cheating thing, decided quickly to come back. But the truth is that I haven't been having fun playing Eve for many weeks. Mining, missions, trading . . . those things are pretty dull. I wish I had more time to play Eve, because the PvP stuff is AWESOME if, like you said, you have the time to gang with other like-minded people for lenghthy cooperative sessions. I don't. And let me tell you, I know from experience that other players get TICKED when you leave a gang "early."
Edit: so to end it on a positive note, I say CCP should add better PvE content. Again, I think we can agree on some points, one of which is that PvE content isn't very good.
Well, sounds like you ran into superior firepower... That, and running three clients at once and trying to fight effectively, is going to mean you died. For more analysis, describe the fight, and we'll tell you what really happened. 30 seconds is awfully fast to die, if you had anything going for you.
Truth be told, EVE PVP starts from the moment you undock. Information control, tactics and maneuver all play a part. If you run headlong into a pirate den or an alliances territory, looking for 'pew pew fun', you'll find yourself hunted down by a much bigger force quite quickly, and almost any corp can bring up resources to take down just about any solo player unless he's got a mothership. Going out alone is just asking to get killed.
I prefer solo/duo roaming ,now that's were the fun is,expecialy when you get several enemys and you take them down solo,ofcourse im talking about low sec.Solo roaming in 0.0 is tricky unless you know what to go after and are lucky,plus it takes awhile to find targets.
You can also check the event forum ,people host pvp tournaments with prizes and such and they are very fun,I love destroyer tournaments in particular.I suggest you start in low sec,use a ship you are confortable with and start either pirating or hunting pirates to get a feel of pvp.I rarely loose a ship to pvp cause I know how to watch local and I know what I can destroy/what I can destroy or what I can escape from with my current ship,soo I wont go trying to kill a BS of a 12 month old player in my rifter.
PVP in eve is for patient and smart people,if you jump in with your "omigod I solo lvl 4 missions with my faction fitted CNR" in low sec/0.0 without any info cause you think you can solo 2 command ships and then come and complain how your +1bil ship got blown up by 2 ships worth 500mil in total.(not pointing the comment at you,but quite afew people think like that).
Well the gate camping is jsut one part of it. Not the most fun part but its important sometimes. Personaly If you dont see what the importance of your job is in EVE you wont enjoy it.
Basicly If you see gate camping as just sitting at a gate for hours waiting for a guy to come through to shoot you probably wot enjoy it very much....But If you see it for what it really is then you may enjoy it alot more. You could be sitting at that gate defending a system while anouther fleet is near by destroying a POS (allience owned base) and its up to you and the fellow gate campers to hold everyone out. If you fail it could mean a horrible lose for your allience witch may consist of 500+ people.
Or... You could be running aorund in circles keeping an enemy fleet busy until back up arrive or until an ally fleet is doing something important.
EVE pvp to me atleast Inst fun if you think of it as siting at a gate killing stuff. You needto understand that your helping a larger cause that will effect the entire game or 200k+ subed people.
my fleet engagements haven`t been as big (something like 120 ships in total biggest) as in this video, every little dot is a player or a drone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-HeZOM6CWM
but damn that looks like an epic fight, thats something like 400 to 600 pilots, even if it would lag, just...
its true about the gate camps tho, they can get boring, but thats what you need to do to defend your turf.
To be honest i haven`t had such a rush from pvp since ultima online times way back in the 90`s. In eve dying hurts and thats why i love it