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Dark and Light game developer NPCube dismissed and convicted by French Court

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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Cholayna


    hmmm, that made me think.....  wonder if the new "chinese version" will come with a promised GINSU KNIFE!?!?!  "Buy NOW and you will recieve, not 1, not 2 but FOUR authentic GINSU KNIVES if you order in the next ten minutes..oh! and a MAP!!!"
     

    Hey, don't knock Ginsu Knives. I used one to cut down and steal a Christmas tree once ( long story ).

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    nah, not knockin them and I believe it cut down a dang tree! those suckerz cut!

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

     

    Originally posted by Cholayna


    nah, not knockin them and I believe it cut down a dang tree! those suckerz cut!

    Heheh.

     

    Picture, if you will, a 16 year old Zorvan. Now this 16 year old Zorvan lives with his grandmother at the time, and times are tough. Young Zorvan works at the local Wendy's, but it's basically enough to supplement what his grandmother gets from social security to pay for necessities.

    So, it's Christmas time, and Zorvans' grandmother really wants a tree but can't afford it. They have decorations from years past, so that's not a problem. A tree to hang them on is.

    Now, young Zorvan only has a little moped that he uses to go to work ( having taken the High School Equivalency Test to graduate early from school ), hardly fit for carrying a tree. Also very noisy when not wanting attention. So, our 16 year old Zorvan walks 3 blocks at 2 a.m. on a cold morning a few days before Christmas to a little commercial tree farm, armed with a Ginsu knife ( the big long one with the prongs on the end and the big serrations on the blade ).

    He goes into the middle of the lot where he can't be seen by any passing motorist ( mainly worried about police ), and chooses a nice 5 foot  pine tree. He cuts as fast as possible through the trunk, taking about 10-15 minutes. He then heads home, walking down the sidewalk at around 2:30 a.m., placing the tree on the grass strip on the edge of the sidewalk and squatting behind it whenever he sees headlights coming.

    At around 3 a.m., our young Zorvan carries the tree into their house, and smiles when he sees his grandmothers' face light up brighter than that tree ever would.

  • sorezsorez Member Posts: 39

    I want my map dammit

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

     

    April 2, 2008- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    The Court denies summary judgment against NPCube in the case brought by VWORLD for counterfeiting of its video sequences:

    - it rules that there is indeed an unlawful use of VWORLD's video sequences, sequences with the VWorldTerrain logo on and sequences from which it has been removed, with the goal of presenting and promoting the Dark and Light MMORPG through a TV report made by the Games TV channel, a report which has been broadcasted on other Internet websites

    -  it rules that the evidence brought forward by VWORLD is insufficient for summary judgment to be granted against NPCube

    - it rules that three companies have a vested interest in the promotion of the Dark and Light MMORPG: the French company NPCube, developer of Dark and Light, the Chinese company SnailGame, its partner , and the Mauritian company Farlan Entertainment, publisher of Dark and Light.



    Consequently the decision on this pirating of video sequences will be taken upon examination of the substance of the case brought by VWORLD before the Paris Court against NPCube, Farlan and M. César Jacquet for software counterfeit, non-respect of the right to credit and paternity, and finally unfair competition and parasitism: the date of final hearing being scheduled on October 2nd, 2008.

    ( source )

    In brief, the Judge has ruled that VWORLD's video sequences were used illegally (copyright infringement) to serve the promotion of DnL,  granted. 

    BUT that the motion for summary judgment is rejected as it has not been made totally undeniable that NPCube is liable for this pirating. So *somebody* pirated 2005 images from VWORLD in order to promote Dark and Light in 2006 and 2007 but it is not clear that it is NPCube's doing. 

    The magic power of partnerships (Who's got the Baby, anyone? ).  

     

     

        

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

    So now Farlan/NPcube are trying to let Snailgames take the heat, huh? I bet SG just loves their deal more and more.

  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396

    Originally posted by Zorvan


     
    Originally posted by Cholayna


    nah, not knockin them and I believe it cut down a dang tree! those suckerz cut!

    Heheh.

     

    Picture, if you will, a 16 year old Zorvan. Now this 16 year old Zorvan lives with his grandmother at the time, and times are tough. Young Zorvan works at the local Wendy's, but it's basically enough to supplement what his grandmother gets from social security to pay for necessities.

    So, it's Christmas time, and Zorvans' grandmother really wants a tree but can't afford it. They have decorations from years past, so that's not a problem. A tree to hang them on is.

    Now, young Zorvan only has a little moped that he uses to go to work ( having taken the High School Equivalency Test to graduate early from school ), hardly fit for carrying a tree. Also very noisy when not wanting attention. So, our 16 year old Zorvan walks 3 blocks at 2 a.m. on a cold morning a few days before Christmas to a little commercial tree farm, armed with a Ginsu knife ( the big long one with the prongs on the end and the big serrations on the blade ).

    He goes into the middle of the lot where he can't be seen by any passing motorist ( mainly worried about police ), and chooses a nice 5 foot  pine tree. He cuts as fast as possible through the trunk, taking about 10-15 minutes. He then heads home, walking down the sidewalk at around 2:30 a.m., placing the tree on the grass strip on the edge of the sidewalk and squatting behind it whenever he sees headlights coming.

    At around 3 a.m., our young Zorvan carries the tree into their house, and smiles when he sees his grandmothers' face light up brighter than that tree ever would.

    Geez, that story beats the hell out of the Grinch lol

    ..i cried when no one was looking

    ..oops

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  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Originally posted by Zorvan


    So now Farlan/NPcube are trying to let Snailgames take the heat, huh? I bet SG just loves their deal more and more.

    Aye, and a little note passed off to the corporate headquarters of Voyage Century might be making its way into their offices very shortly. The EURO affiliates should be getting their news shortly thereafter. Snailgames may have alot of explaining to do. May be fine in China , but in US/EURO, stolen property is a HUGE misstep.

  • BadTBadT Member Posts: 84

    So they have officially ensnared Snailgames in the fray in the legal courts.

    WTG .

  • Originally posted by BadT


    So they have officially ensnared Snailgames in the fray in the legal courts.
    WTG .
    heh. Just like they blamed Alchemic Dreams, Pix, other dismissed employees, their owns FANS, Pix, Click and Buy, Pix, Hatebois, Pix.

    Patterns dude!!

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

     

    Originally posted by LilBoPeep


     


    heh. Just like they blamed Alchemic Dreams, Pix, other dismissed employees, their owns FANS, Pix, Click and Buy, Pix, Hatebois, Pix.
     
    Patterns dude!!



    Hey, it's a lot more complicated pattern!

     

    You forgot: the mosquito, Pix, Farlan (The Investors), Pix , and first and foremost: BigWorld, Pix,  of course. So now I am waiting for SnailGame, Pix.  

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Originally posted by _Pix_


     
    Originally posted by LilBoPeep


     


    heh. Just like they blamed Alchemic Dreams, Pix, other dismissed employees, their owns FANS, Pix, Click and Buy, Pix, Hatebois, Pix.
     
    Patterns dude!!



    Hey, it's a lot more complicated pattern!

     

    You forgot: the mosquito, Pix, Farlan (The Investors), Pix , and first and foremost: BigWorld, Pix,  of course. So now I am waiting for SnailGame, Pix.  

    doh! Thats right! Sooo many excuses and scapegoats, so little time.........

  • AlienovrlordAlienovrlord Member Posts: 1,525

     

    Just out of curiosity, who is the guy with the HUGE mono-eyebrow?    I've seen him a couple of times in videos but I never understood what he was saying.

     

    Originally posted by charlizd


    You know im not a fanboy of this game but i do play it and i just don't understand why every 1 else has such a hate for it? i can understand the people who are going through the whole court crap thing but why does it seriously bother some of you what happens? i'm not trying to start a fight but why does it seriously concern some of you?

     

    In playing this game you are on the side of shady developers who have ripped-off customers with unauthorized credit card charges and are now in court for copyright infrigement.   

    The MMORPG community has ONE way to truly make their voices heard - by deciding which games they play.    Forums, articles and emails can be ignored by developers,  raw player numbers on servers cannot.     Farlan needs to be shown that the MMORPG community will not stand for their type of behavior.  

    The excuse of 'Well, I just like the game, who cares about the devs' is what allowed this kind of fiasco in the MMORPG industry.  As long as there are people who ignore the way developers behave, they will continue to think they can get away with anything.   

    The hate directed at Farlan is deserved, anyone who would want to see the MMORPG genre  turn into something better would want to see Farlan buried and swept away as an example to other new MMORPG companies.

    Oh yes, let's not forget that they also released a buggy piece of  garbage game after ridiculously hyping it as the next huge thing in the MMORPG genre.    While that's not a crime, it's also something that shouldn't be supported by giving them players.  

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Latest update on the Paris Court :

    April 11, 2008- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    The defense of NPCube, Farlan and Mr César Jacquet does not appear at the hearing set on April 11th, 2008. The defense asks for another postponment of hearing, putting forward a procedural error, and therefore does not bring any rebuttal. The Court states however that the date of final speeches will remain unchanged: October 2nd, 2008.

    In addition to this, since it cannot decently now been held that C. Jacquet has every intention to publish the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand decision, it is now avalaible publicly on the new version of pourieux.com.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by _Pix_


    Latest update on the Paris Court :
    April 11, 2008- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    The defense of NPCube, Farlan and Mr César Jacquet does not appear at the hearing set on April 11th, 2008. The defense asks for another postponment of hearing, putting forward a procedural error, and therefore does not bring any rebuttal. The Court states however that the date of final speeches will remain unchanged: October 2nd, 2008.

    In addition to this, since it cannot decently now been held that C. Jacquet has every intention to publish the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand decision, it is now avalaible publicly on the new version of pourieux.com.

    Told you. Once the court seen the antics of Farlan/NPcube in regards to the other suit, the possibility of obtaining further indulgences from the court in the matter at hand would be next to impossible. Courts hate to be played with. Looks like Farlan/NPcube are finding that out now.

  • njdevi66njdevi66 Member UncommonPosts: 216

    Ahh this is all music to my ears. I use to be one of the pioneers and got burned for it. I am so happy they are burying themselves, i hope they go down and go down hard. Best of luck to you Pix.

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  • CharlizdCharlizd Member UncommonPosts: 923

    Originally posted by Alienovrlord


     
    Just out of curiosity, who is the guy with the HUGE mono-eyebrow?    I've seen him a couple of times in videos but I never understood what he was saying.
     
    Originally posted by charlizd


    You know im not a fanboy of this game but i do play it and i just don't understand why every 1 else has such a hate for it? i can understand the people who are going through the whole court crap thing but why does it seriously bother some of you what happens? i'm not trying to start a fight but why does it seriously concern some of you?

     

    In playing this game you are on the side of shady developers who have ripped-off customers with unauthorized credit card charges and are now in court for copyright infrigement.   

    The MMORPG community has ONE way to truly make their voices heard - by deciding which games they play.    Forums, articles and emails can be ignored by developers,  raw player numbers on servers cannot.     Farlan needs to be shown that the MMORPG community will not stand for their type of behavior.  

    The excuse of 'Well, I just like the game, who cares about the devs' is what allowed this kind of fiasco in the MMORPG industry.  As long as there are people who ignore the way developers behave, they will continue to think they can get away with anything.   

    The hate directed at Farlan is deserved, anyone who would want to see the MMORPG genre  turn into something better would want to see Farlan buried and swept away as an example to other new MMORPG companies.

    Oh yes, let's not forget that they also released a buggy piece of  garbage game after ridiculously hyping it as the next huge thing in the MMORPG genre.    While that's not a crime, it's also something that shouldn't be supported by giving them players.  

    Well i have not played it since i posted my reply above but not because of what is happening in the background but because of other commitments and just because i was playing does not mean i was on the so called shady developers side i was unaware of the whole story and thought that the whole court case was based on some people being charged for the game after  they had canceled subs not that they had stolen some guys game engine or whatever it is that this is all about and im not going to pretend to care or know what is happening as it has nothing to do with me it is very unfortunate that this is happening and i do wish the best of luck to those that have been burnt in this process but i guess it just goes to show  what i guess some people in the world are like.

    I play it because i feel like playing it not because i am on anybody's side but merely for my own enjoyment and that's how i have always been if i like something i do it if not then i move on and im sure soon enough i will have no choice but to move on but until then i will dable in this game if i have the chance and time.

    Andrew "Charlizd" Phippen | Lead World Builder | The Saga of Lucimia MMORPG
  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by _Pix_


    Latest update on the Paris Court :
    April 11, 2008- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    The defense of NPCube, Farlan and Mr César Jacquet does not appear at the hearing set on April 11th, 2008. The defense asks for another postponment of hearing, putting forward a procedural error, and therefore does not bring any rebuttal. The Court states however that the date of final speeches will remain unchanged: October 2nd, 2008.

    In addition to this, since it cannot decently now been held that C. Jacquet has every intention to publish the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand decision, it is now avalaible publicly on the new version of pourieux.com.

    Told you. Once the court seen the antics of Farlan/NPcube in regards to the other suit, the possibility of obtaining further indulgences from the court in the matter at hand would be next to impossible. Courts hate to be played with. Looks like Farlan/NPcube are finding that out now.


    Aye. I really dont understand just what it is they think this is all about? They can lie, scam, steal, cheat, blame, and lie again and think it's all just gonna go away because they dont want to be bothered????

    Yep, they angered the courts for sure, but any idiot could of seen that coming with their antics. What kills me is the attorney on their side. Isnt he worried about his rep with the courts too? I mean grabbing money from people stupid enough to throw it at you, knowing your client aint got a shot in hell is one thing, but I'm just not too sure I would've wanted to show my face in front of the judge....just in case there is a REAL case that my own integrity would play a part in. It would appear that French attorneys are very much like some our own American lawyers lol.

    I would imagine the US/EURO is starting thier own research into this by now or at least have it planned. Would be funny as hell to see them slam this all back at Farland just when Farlan thinks they have done what they needed to lolol

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

    Originally posted by Cholayna


     
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by _Pix_


    Latest update on the Paris Court :
    April 11, 2008- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    The defense of NPCube, Farlan and Mr César Jacquet does not appear at the hearing set on April 11th, 2008. The defense asks for another postponment of hearing, putting forward a procedural error, and therefore does not bring any rebuttal. The Court states however that the date of final speeches will remain unchanged: October 2nd, 2008.

    In addition to this, since it cannot decently now been held that C. Jacquet has every intention to publish the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand decision, it is now avalaible publicly on the new version of pourieux.com.

    Told you. Once the court seen the antics of Farlan/NPcube in regards to the other suit, the possibility of obtaining further indulgences from the court in the matter at hand would be next to impossible. Courts hate to be played with. Looks like Farlan/NPcube are finding that out now.


    Aye. I really dont understand just what it is they think this is all about? They can lie, scam, steal, cheat, blame, and lie again and think it's all just gonna go away because they dont want to be bothered????

     

    Yep, they angered the courts for sure, but any idiot could of seen that coming with their antics. What kills me is the attorney on their side. Isnt he worried about his rep with the courts too? I mean grabbing money from people stupid enough to throw it at you, knowing your client aint got a shot in hell is one thing, but I'm just not too sure I would've wanted to show my face in front of the judge....just in case there is a REAL case that my own integrity would play a part in. It would appear that French attorneys are very much like some our own American lawyers lol.

    I would imagine the US/EURO is starting thier own research into this by now or at least have it planned. Would be funny as hell to see them slam this all back at Farland just when Farlan thinks they have done what they needed to lolol

    Oh, farlan isn't worried. Haven't you heard? They're making DnL 2.0!!

    HAAHAAAAAAAaaaaaaaahhAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

    I tell ya, Cho. Some of the posts in this section nowadays make me question the validity of natural selection.

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

     

    Originally posted by Zorvan


     
    Oh, farlan isn't worried. Haven't you heard? They're making DnL 2.0!!
     
    HAAHAAAAAAAaaaaaaaahhAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
    I tell ya, Cho. Some of the posts in this section nowadays make me question the validity of natural selection.

     

    Yea, I got to agree with that brilliant analysis, DnL 2 supporters nowadays seem to reduce to ashes the Darwinian theory!!! This is quite revolutionary!

    First, they made Mafate 1 /  DnL (using VWorldTerrain but entirely homebaked, remember?), and then made Mafate 2 / DnL (not using VWorldTerrain they said, entirely rebaked, remember?).

    Proof-in-point images, on your right: VWorldTerrain 2005, on your left : the one they don't use in Mafate 2 (which is true, look: they removed the VWorldTerrain logo, so it's quite obvious they don't use it anymore, OK?):

    Now, I guess they plan to develop Mafate 3 / DnL 2, still not using VWorldTerrain, of course!!!

    Quite an achievement.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Originally posted by _Pix_


     
    Originally posted by Zorvan


     
    Oh, farlan isn't worried. Haven't you heard? They're making DnL 2.0!!
     
    HAAHAAAAAAAaaaaaaaahhAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
    I tell ya, Cho. Some of the posts in this section nowadays make me question the validity of natural selection.

     

    Yea, I got to agree with that brilliant analysis, DnL 2 supporters nowadays seem to reduce to ashes the Darwinian theory!!! This is quite revolutionary!

    First, they made Mafate 1 /  DnL (using VWorldTerrain but entirely homebaked, remember?), and then made Mafate 2 / DnL (not using VWorldTerrain they said, entirely rebaked, remember?).

    Proof-in-point images, on your right: VWorldTerrain 2005, on your left : the one they don't use in Mafate 2 (which is true, look: they removed the VWorldTerrain logo, so it's quite obvious they don't use it anymore, OK?):

    Now, I guess they plan to develop Mafate 3 / DnL 2, still not using VWorldTerrain, of course!!!

    Quite an achievement.

    LMAO I hear ya Pix! Problem is, even with DNL 2 (cough, ahem, cough) unless you are a resident of China, who the heck cares about it?!?!? It will never hit the states nor euro in any important fashion.

    The idea is grand, the execution is impossible but Farlan will continue to brand a Flight Simulation game as the next wonder of the mmo world. All the while, the gamebox, gameboy, XBox, PSP and PS1,2,3 all have basically a much better and playable Flight Simulation, Snowboarding and even parachuting games that you can play by yourself already.  Nothing new, nothing different there.

    Either way you look at it, with the court problems Farlan is facing and the futile legal defense they are mired in, and have already been proven in a legal setting to have been found guilty, the icing on the Farlan cake is in October. If they come out with a DNL 2 (cough, ahem, cough) by then, the game and the company will STILL be mired in legal actions.

    Grandstanding an old-hat simulation game in which stolen tech and deceitful devs started it all, along with playable in only one country that only they can play (and btw, has world wide attention now on the crapazz products they are releasing worldwide) is NOT something to sing about.

    Wait, maybe it is.......I am sure the mmo industry can come up with a little ditty about Farlan and this hilarious scene they have managed to show off to the world. Maybe something along the lines of The Three Stooges Onstage, or perhaps The Keystone Cops take Madison Square Garden Center Stage......

  • BadTBadT Member Posts: 84

     

    this just gets more nuts every day

     

  • Originally posted by BadT


     

    this just gets more nuts every day
     



    no kidding man. Farlan has got to be the most ignorant band of people. I would never have believed this whole story if I had not been here since almost day one.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Popcorn? Soda? Goobers anyone?

  • BadTBadT Member Posts: 84

    Here comes the latest round of "gee! This game is realllly great!"..........

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