Hmmm... I've never played the game... just wanted to chime in and say that I was impressed by what you are all saying. I may try this game out. It sounds like fun. I don't play games with grinding, but I miss the camraderie of MMO's.
While you can, stay away from this game. It is very addictive.
It's the only game I have played regularely since 2002. And what is worst, lots of other games most people enjoy can't I fully enjoy since my expectations and demands is rather high now days. I blame CRS and WWIIOL for that.
well said sparre, i too have been addicted to Battleground Europe since july of 2001. i have tried a few other sims,like locon and far cry, but like you said,expectations are too high. the only games i can play now are offline games like Rome Total War and Oblivion.
My squad, the 23rd armor, is fielding 40+ players at all times, at peak we're pushing 70. Our goal is 100 on a squad night. We fly, drive tanks, use Anti-tank and Anti-Air guns, ships and infantry.
Last nights battles were massive. 30+ tanks in one column alone. The attacks on Wellin and St. Truiden were very large, with equally as large air battles over each town.
We were seeing 20+ aircraft in large dogfights ... and not just once but over each town and, over the Forward Bases over a period of 4+ hours.
This map the axis are pushing very hard. The German High Command (High Command = very experienced players) are doing a much better job than last map.
Equipment has good balance.
French tanks have better guns and armour but poor situtational awareness. Axis tanks have poor guns, decent armour but goos SA. British tanks have poor armour, decent guns and good SA.
Brit and French fighter planes have good maneuverability but limited climb and BB's for guns. (.30 calibre). Axis planes have armour, very good guns but poor maneuverabilty.
Brit (Havoc) and french (DB7) bombers are fast but carry a relatively light bomb load. (french has better bombs). The axis bombs are bigger and better but the He111 is slower. the Stuka is slow, very maneuverable, armoured but still vulnerable. The allies don't have a dive bomber but the DB7/Havoc can glide bomb very well.
Ships are basically the same for all navies.
Infantry is closely modelled. With minor changes per side.
Axis LMG is a precision weapon, Brit is close second, French good but definitely 3rd. SMG's, Axis MP40 best, Brit Tommy gun 2nd and the French SMG is just a POS. Rifles all good, all slightly different, and alll sides have comparable mortars.
Rifle grenadiers are comparable between the French and Axis. The brit grenadier is a HEAT grenade that will kill any axis tank if you get close enough.
Paratroops are much the same over all 3 armies. (and are a BLAST to use)
Performance upgrades have been huge in the past short while. There are still some issues that need to be addressed but it's all a work-in-progress. Every 2-3 months we almost have a new game with the upgrades, additions etc.
The last one was TOE. Tactical Order of Equipment. Previous to TOE's the equipment was associated with each town. Each town had it's own spawnlist, it's set amount of equipment.
Now the towns have zero equipment. The equipment is associated with Brigades, which are attached to Divisions. The Brigades and Divisions can be moved around the map by the High Command. Now the game is more strategic and the goal is to destroy the enemies supply list. You beat them out of one town, you pursue them. Now they don't get a brand new set of equipment but have to fight with what they have. Destroy enough equipment and you can create a breakthrough to their undefended towns.
Last map was stalemated with huge battles until the allies managed a breakout. Then the map ended in 4 days.
Come try it. It's immersive. Your heart rate will go up the first time you are in a 30+ tank column attacking a town.
Dogbertx
ps. join a squad. It's a much faster learning curve and is much more fun
It stinks going by yourself in the game...I get waxed and have no idea from where or how...at least if you have a squad around they could react off of it.
It depends on what time of day you play and what side.
My squad is allied ONLY and usually play Euro and US Prime time. We have a presence 24/7 but our best numbers are US Prime time. We run armor, fly planes and generally do it all.
We're 23rdarmor. www.23rdarmor.org
Login allied, and send a general text message asking for any 23rd online. Usually F5 will get you the allied channel. When you get an answer, ask to be recruited. You will then get a message in game to accept.
Type .accept and that's it. You're in.
Go to the forums www.23rdarmor.org and register. They will get you into teamspeak which is a HUGE help.
We'll help you kill grey things the 23rd way. Our guys will help you with all questions, tactics, towing, MSP's etc.
The squad has many High Command in the squad (I'm a Div CO in the French AF) that will give you insight into the larger picture and we have a lot of guys that will show you how it's done in the dirt. LOL
Lots of joking around, lots of good times and all good people who have fun in game. Our forums are very helpful, the guys will go out of their way to make the game experience, fun and much simpler.
You are simply wrong. If you walked at lot, it is because you dion't know how to play the game, didnt join a squad and my guess is that you have not played at all in 6 years and simply want to post unfounded opinions. Check the new thread with a montage of a 4 hour battle..one battle..and there are more than one
I find a fight every night. You did use the new teamspeak for the GHC and AHC? Just surprised you didn't find fights. Since you ddn't find a decent fight I would suspose that the player base would seem lower. Others find fights.
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Probably the best mmorpg game i've played
BUMP!
How busy is the server during EU prime time?
Judging by the numbers of Attack Objectives would I say it is equally busy during Europa and Americas prime time.
Hmmm... I've never played the game... just wanted to chime in and say that I was impressed by what you are all saying. I may try this game out. It sounds like fun. I don't play games with grinding, but I miss the camraderie of MMO's.
While you can, stay away from this game. It is very addictive.
It's the only game I have played regularely since 2002. And what is worst, lots of other games most people enjoy can't I fully enjoy since my expectations and demands is rather high now days. I blame CRS and WWIIOL for that.
well said sparre, i too have been addicted to Battleground Europe since july of 2001. i have tried a few other sims,like locon and far cry, but like you said,expectations are too high. the only games i can play now are offline games like Rome Total War and Oblivion.
Glad you are having fun Scarfull:-) and you are right about joining a squad it helps take the curve out of the learning curve.
Be carefull of what you say, tommorow or today, for the words that you now speak, may be the poison your enemies later seek; Truth
My squad, the 23rd armor, is fielding 40+ players at all times, at peak we're pushing 70. Our goal is 100 on a squad night. We fly, drive tanks, use Anti-tank and Anti-Air guns, ships and infantry.
Last nights battles were massive. 30+ tanks in one column alone. The attacks on Wellin and St. Truiden were very large, with equally as large air battles over each town.
We were seeing 20+ aircraft in large dogfights ... and not just once but over each town and, over the Forward Bases over a period of 4+ hours.
This map the axis are pushing very hard. The German High Command (High Command = very experienced players) are doing a much better job than last map.
Equipment has good balance.
French tanks have better guns and armour but poor situtational awareness. Axis tanks have poor guns, decent armour but goos SA. British tanks have poor armour, decent guns and good SA.
Brit and French fighter planes have good maneuverability but limited climb and BB's for guns. (.30 calibre). Axis planes have armour, very good guns but poor maneuverabilty.
Brit (Havoc) and french (DB7) bombers are fast but carry a relatively light bomb load. (french has better bombs). The axis bombs are bigger and better but the He111 is slower. the Stuka is slow, very maneuverable, armoured but still vulnerable. The allies don't have a dive bomber but the DB7/Havoc can glide bomb very well.
Ships are basically the same for all navies.
Infantry is closely modelled. With minor changes per side.
Axis LMG is a precision weapon, Brit is close second, French good but definitely 3rd. SMG's, Axis MP40 best, Brit Tommy gun 2nd and the French SMG is just a POS. Rifles all good, all slightly different, and alll sides have comparable mortars.
Rifle grenadiers are comparable between the French and Axis. The brit grenadier is a HEAT grenade that will kill any axis tank if you get close enough.
Paratroops are much the same over all 3 armies. (and are a BLAST to use)
Performance upgrades have been huge in the past short while. There are still some issues that need to be addressed but it's all a work-in-progress. Every 2-3 months we almost have a new game with the upgrades, additions etc.
The last one was TOE. Tactical Order of Equipment. Previous to TOE's the equipment was associated with each town. Each town had it's own spawnlist, it's set amount of equipment.
Now the towns have zero equipment. The equipment is associated with Brigades, which are attached to Divisions. The Brigades and Divisions can be moved around the map by the High Command. Now the game is more strategic and the goal is to destroy the enemies supply list. You beat them out of one town, you pursue them. Now they don't get a brand new set of equipment but have to fight with what they have. Destroy enough equipment and you can create a breakthrough to their undefended towns.
Last map was stalemated with huge battles until the allies managed a breakout. Then the map ended in 4 days.
Come try it. It's immersive. Your heart rate will go up the first time you are in a 30+ tank column attacking a town.
Dogbertx
ps. join a squad. It's a much faster learning curve and is much more fun
Cry Havoc and let loose the Dogbertx's of War
Dogbertx,
Any squads in particular?
It stinks going by yourself in the game...I get waxed and have no idea from where or how...at least if you have a squad around they could react off of it.
Still waiting for my first kill.
It depends on what time of day you play and what side.
My squad is allied ONLY and usually play Euro and US Prime time. We have a presence 24/7 but our best numbers are US Prime time. We run armor, fly planes and generally do it all.
We're 23rdarmor. www.23rdarmor.org
Login allied, and send a general text message asking for any 23rd online. Usually F5 will get you the allied channel. When you get an answer, ask to be recruited. You will then get a message in game to accept.
Type .accept and that's it. You're in.
Go to the forums www.23rdarmor.org and register. They will get you into teamspeak which is a HUGE help.
We'll help you kill grey things the 23rd way. Our guys will help you with all questions, tactics, towing, MSP's etc.
The squad has many High Command in the squad (I'm a Div CO in the French AF) that will give you insight into the larger picture and we have a lot of guys that will show you how it's done in the dirt. LOL
Lots of joking around, lots of good times and all good people who have fun in game. Our forums are very helpful, the guys will go out of their way to make the game experience, fun and much simpler.
Dbx
Cry Havoc and let loose the Dogbertx's of War
This game is a walking simulator. It's walk here, get shot from no where.. start walking again.. blah.
The graphics are absolutely terrible, the manaquins manning machine guns is just too much.
I just canceled my sub again, I hoped after 6 years something would have changed.. nope.
You are simply wrong. If you walked at lot, it is because you dion't know how to play the game, didnt join a squad and my guess is that you have not played at all in 6 years and simply want to post unfounded opinions. Check the new thread with a montage of a 4 hour battle..one battle..and there are more than one
I find a fight every night. You did use the new teamspeak for the GHC and AHC? Just surprised you didn't find fights. Since you ddn't find a decent fight I would suspose that the player base would seem lower. Others find fights.
K ive made an account, what side to join?