Originally posted by iwantmyswg i will stick to eve thxs. if i want fanbois running around telling me how good the game is i'll go look up the 3 non credit spamers on swg.
just go to any thread at all the past 3 years and wait 10 minutes for one of the 5 eve fanbois
I think the newer player's use WoW as a benchmark as far as subs go,They seem to think a game needs 1mil+ to be a good game,WoW was,How can I say it a "fluke" it wont happen again,If you have a game doing 200k subs then you have done a great job,Trust me there is no "wow killer" comming.
Few here will listen to your logic, sir. Most MMOs released haven't gotten to 200k and never will and most MMOs to be released in the future won't, and will never, garner 200k subs. Most seem to think that 200k is pitiful when in fact, it's very successful.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
I think the newer player's use WoW as a benchmark as far as subs go,They seem to think a game needs 1mil+ to be a good game,WoW was,How can I say it a "fluke" it wont happen again,If you have a game doing 200k subs then you have done a great job,Trust me there is no "wow killer" comming.
Few here will listen to your logic, sir. Most MMOs released haven't gotten to 200k and never will and most MMOs to be released in the future won't, and will never, garner 200k subs. Most seem to think that 200k is pitiful when in fact, it's very successful.
200k subs being a lot depends on a number of things, how big is the world, how many cities are there, where do players gather, how many servers are there
anyone can name a few things that can determine whether or not you even Notice 200k subs, or whether it seems overrun with 200k subs
I am under the impression that AoC is a big world, has lots of cities, there will be a couple places players gather, and im guessing 15-20 north american servers on release date, if thats the case, the only places you'll see a lot of people if they have 200k subs, will be the newbie areas, but once people start to spread out, it will thin and could become quiet
this is my opinion, lol i guess
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
the fact that these features you list (with the moronic mantra of "done before") are consolidated into one game, streamlined, enhanced, and polished is unique in itself. What are you going to do, play 15 other games to experience those features, or a game that has them all. Maybe a lot of AoCs features were done in other games, but have been improved upon in this game. Besides the point, I am rather happy about the fact that they've taken the grind out of crafting, for example. The game is full of little innovative touches that individually aren't significant enough to make a features list, but collectively enhance the unique qualities as a whole. If you want to know more about them, as I said, go do some reading.
Why do you think WoW is so popular. Everyone says it's a "clone" of previous games (EQ, blah blah blah...), when all it did is combined features from predecesors and made them streamlined and polished (ok, it took a while, didn't happen right at launch). And now look at these forums. 95% vets who played WoW and are sick of it. Am I saying AoC will end up this way in 3-4 years? Not necessarily, but I do believe people will NOT remember any of this hype in 3-4 years and they will want something new. Like always.
Also, you're talking about the little things that Funcom's putting in the game, WAR's doing it too, if you took the time to notice.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
the only thing that can kill this game for me would be my comp. I dont think my comp can handle the game and i dont have $1,400 to buy one that can run the game smoothly.
(this is a comp that i used to run EQ, EQ2, SWG, WoW, and DAoC on at the same time and didnt have lag on any of them. sad isnt it)
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Pre-Ordered, obviously :P
However, AoC is a spin on the norm, it comes across as familar yet new for me. The combat is really different.
Real time is the key here, real time combat with active blocking.
Mounted combat in real time etc etc - its done differently than any other mmorpg has done in the past.
Siege warfare, been there done that yep, again its done differently here. Dont have to wake up and your guild city has been wiped out.
A.I. yep seen it done well before, but yet again the A.I done here seems to be more comprehensive for an mmorpg. See Dev Diary # 5.
List goes on a bit more, nevertheless, all of the trolls that post shit here were deeply hurt by the overwhelming positive response from the PvP weekend. Isn't that just great!!
Like I have been saying the game will stand on its own for what it is for all to see come release. Judge it on the final version.
War is not WoW 2.0 though. There is alot in AoC they you will have seen before in some shape or form, of course! But for me its the way its done differently.
People ask for the same haircut at multiple hairdressers / barbers each one does it a bit different. Same with War and AoC.
I'm not offended by good fair reviews that dont' GLOSS Over or Ignore glaring problems (people deserve to know what the issues are so they don't have expectations that get Destroyed and cause them to hate a game) nor am I a troll I just think its ludacris to Crap on a game and call it WoW 2.0 and make it seem as if everything AoC is doing is brand new and not some evolved from from many other games which is EXACTLY what WoW did.
WoW took alot of things from other games melded it evolved it made it better in some cases (killed it in others). There's nothing wrong with that...its all part of evolution but the claims that WAR is a WoW clone because its doing a few things here and there and that AoC is not doing this is hypocritical .
I want AoC to do well (and I've been saying this for a rather long time so assumptions im offended or a troll is completely ignorant of my stance that we need lots of good games of different types to rid of the stagnation thats been going on for a while) everyone deserves a game that caters to their style but claiming all games are clones but AoC is ludacris and you can't Deny that Avery I know your smarter than that.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
200k subs being a lot depends on a number of things, how big is the world, how many cities are there, where do players gather, how many servers are there
anyone can name a few things that can determine whether or not you even Notice 200k subs, or whether it seems overrun with 200k subs I am under the impression that AoC is a big world, has lots of cities, there will be a couple places players gather, and im guessing 15-20 north american servers on release date, if thats the case, the only places you'll see a lot of people if they have 200k subs, will be the newbie areas, but once people start to spread out, it will thin and could become quiet this is my opinion, lol i guess
I would suggest checking out the industry. 200K would be a decent amount of people no matter what size world the game has. Most MMO servers do not support over 5K players at any one time. Most peak hours for successful games are less then 50K accounts connected.
I don't plan on playing AoC, but I am sure Funcom will be satisfied with 200K subscriptions. The question is if the game is good enough to maintain that kind of population for several years. Only time will tell on that score.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work.
this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....
what about another option: only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work. this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....
It's not up to Funcom if the open beta should cost or not.. more or less anyways. Fileplanet says, "hey we give you $$$ if we can host the openbeta."
Ofc Funcom agrees to the best offer and takes it. Wouldn't you?
Of course it will not, it is like comparing apples to oranges to peaches. Which is the best fruit?
Besides, even if I will move on to one of the others later on, I expect AoC to amuse me for a while, and I am sure that it will do just that. I do not intend to marry a computer game (be it AoC and otherwise), you are free to try other games on the market and move on if something better comes along - I really do not get that 'you are either with us or against us' mentality many mmo players sport now days.
Pre-Ordered, obviously :P However, AoC is a spin on the norm, it comes across as familar yet new for me. The combat is really different. Real time is the key here, real time combat with active blocking. Mounted combat in real time etc etc - its done differently than any other mmorpg has done in the past. Siege warfare, been there done that yep, again its done differently here. Dont have to wake up and your guild city has been wiped out. A.I. yep seen it done well before, but yet again the A.I done here seems to be more comprehensive for an mmorpg. See Dev Diary # 5. List goes on a bit more, nevertheless, all of the trolls that post shit here were deeply hurt by the overwhelming positive response from the PvP weekend. Isn't that just great!! Like I have been saying the game will stand on its own for what it is for all to see come release. Judge it on the final version.
War is not WoW 2.0 though. There is alot in AoC they you will have seen before in some shape or form, of course! But for me its the way its done differently. People ask for the same haircut at multiple hairdressers / barbers each one does it a bit different. Same with War and AoC.
QFT! LOL!
I'll never understand the mentality of people who "hate" a video game or pray for it's demise? What the heck is up with that?
But, on every forum imaginable, the haters come to spew their venom. Why? What's the point?
There are so many good MMO's out there to choose from, each with it's strengths and weaknesses. Everyone has their own tastes, and they are entitled to their opinions, but, to hate a game and endlessly bash it on the forums, is not only immature, but moronic.
the Public Quests in WAR are not the "same crap" and something that ALL MMOS could benefit from and lack in
both WAR and AOC offer new ideas
hahahah? Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?
You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name? You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards? Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.
What new ideas does aoc have? You think the comabt is new? The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again. It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.
the Public Quests in WAR are not the "same crap" and something that ALL MMOS could benefit from and lack in
both WAR and AOC offer new ideas
hahahah? Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?
You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name? You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards? Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.
What new ideas does aoc have? You think the comabt is new? The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again. It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.
You "aim" in combat, atleast for melee chars. Thats new... but we can keep this on forever.
what about another option: only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work. this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....
Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.
How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?
Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.
Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.
Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.
I am playing Tabula Rasa now, I have AoC preordered and I am still following Warhammer. I am also keeping an eye on Chronicles of the Spellborn, Jumpgate Evolution and Bloodymare. I was planning on reactivating my WoW account once the new expansion came out but I recently reactivated to say hi to some old homies and found the game so boring that I couldn't get myself to play.
What game I actually stick with will depend on the developers. High fun factor + player skill required = here is my money.
Anyway, I am excited though, so many top notch games coming through the pipe! I just hope that each of those listed games gets enough customers to keep it alive.
I see AoC as being the first game of it's type on the PC.
Consoles had the "high punch, low punch, middle punch" button mashing already, but they took that and seemed to have adapted it for a PC audience.... or just made sure it worked on XBOX and decided to port it to PC. Whatever their reasons it will be interesting to see if it works out. It will also affect future MMO releases on control schemes.
Problems I see: Beta works, but I don't think that has an bearing on what thousands of clients, (All running Windows Vista to get DX10) will do in sieges, quests, and bar brawls. What happens if the problem isn't the client, but Windows Vista itself? Doubtful, but there are plenty of times when Nvidia pointed at Windows and stated: It isn't our driver, it's the OS - and Windows pointed at Nvidia and said: It isn't the OS, it's the driver.
In the end it was the customer that suffered until the problem was smoothed out.
It is the first MMO to do this, and so I hope for the best so that others can learn from them, fix what they do wrong, and improve.
Much of it is just so untested and unproven I will have to wait a few weeks to try it out and see how things go.
I am glad it is releasing in May though, it gives WAR the ability to watch their launch and tweak their own. Let's people try AoC to see if they like it, and prevents the two games from having a huge conflict with acquiring subs.
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just go to any thread at all the past 3 years and wait 10 minutes for one of the 5 eve fanbois
I am playing it for the Conan world and the combat. Also all the violence helps me get immersed into battle.
omg nvm wat i said earlier i gonna preorder colectors edition! it looks freaking awesome!
Few here will listen to your logic, sir. Most MMOs released haven't gotten to 200k and never will and most MMOs to be released in the future won't, and will never, garner 200k subs. Most seem to think that 200k is pitiful when in fact, it's very successful.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Why do these forums always turn into a "this game is better than that one" ?
Everyone likes different things, and the argument is just really dumb.
It's like saying vanilla is better than chocolate! I mean come on...
everyone knows chocolate is better
Few here will listen to your logic, sir. Most MMOs released haven't gotten to 200k and never will and most MMOs to be released in the future won't, and will never, garner 200k subs. Most seem to think that 200k is pitiful when in fact, it's very successful.
200k subs being a lot depends on a number of things, how big is the world, how many cities are there, where do players gather, how many servers are there
anyone can name a few things that can determine whether or not you even Notice 200k subs, or whether it seems overrun with 200k subs
I am under the impression that AoC is a big world, has lots of cities, there will be a couple places players gather, and im guessing 15-20 north american servers on release date, if thats the case, the only places you'll see a lot of people if they have 200k subs, will be the newbie areas, but once people start to spread out, it will thin and could become quiet
this is my opinion, lol i guess
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Also, you're talking about the little things that Funcom's putting in the game, WAR's doing it too, if you took the time to notice.
--------------------------------------
A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
AoC forum is a rather biased place to hold the poll since people not intending to play are not likly to see the poll in the first place.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
the only thing that can kill this game for me would be my comp. I dont think my comp can handle the game and i dont have $1,400 to buy one that can run the game smoothly.
(this is a comp that i used to run EQ, EQ2, SWG, WoW, and DAoC on at the same time and didnt have lag on any of them. sad isnt it)
Pre-Ordered, obviously :P
However, AoC is a spin on the norm, it comes across as familar yet new for me. The combat is really different.
Real time is the key here, real time combat with active blocking.
Mounted combat in real time etc etc - its done differently than any other mmorpg has done in the past.
Siege warfare, been there done that yep, again its done differently here. Dont have to wake up and your guild city has been wiped out.
A.I. yep seen it done well before, but yet again the A.I done here seems to be more comprehensive for an mmorpg. See Dev Diary # 5.
List goes on a bit more, nevertheless, all of the trolls that post shit here were deeply hurt by the overwhelming positive response from the PvP weekend. Isn't that just great!!
Like I have been saying the game will stand on its own for what it is for all to see come release. Judge it on the final version.
War is not WoW 2.0 though. There is alot in AoC they you will have seen before in some shape or form, of course! But for me its the way its done differently.
People ask for the same haircut at multiple hairdressers / barbers each one does it a bit different. Same with War and AoC.
I'm not offended by good fair reviews that dont' GLOSS Over or Ignore glaring problems (people deserve to know what the issues are so they don't have expectations that get Destroyed and cause them to hate a game) nor am I a troll I just think its ludacris to Crap on a game and call it WoW 2.0 and make it seem as if everything AoC is doing is brand new and not some evolved from from many other games which is EXACTLY what WoW did.
WoW took alot of things from other games melded it evolved it made it better in some cases (killed it in others). There's nothing wrong with that...its all part of evolution but the claims that WAR is a WoW clone because its doing a few things here and there and that AoC is not doing this is hypocritical .
I want AoC to do well (and I've been saying this for a rather long time so assumptions im offended or a troll is completely ignorant of my stance that we need lots of good games of different types to rid of the stagnation thats been going on for a while) everyone deserves a game that caters to their style but claiming all games are clones but AoC is ludacris and you can't Deny that Avery I know your smarter than that.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I don't plan on playing AoC, but I am sure Funcom will be satisfied with 200K subscriptions. The question is if the game is good enough to maintain that kind of population for several years. Only time will tell on that score.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
what about another option:
only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work.
this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....
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Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
It's not up to Funcom if the open beta should cost or not.. more or less anyways. Fileplanet says, "hey we give you $$$ if we can host the openbeta."
Ofc Funcom agrees to the best offer and takes it. Wouldn't you?
Besides, even if I will move on to one of the others later on, I expect AoC to amuse me for a while, and I am sure that it will do just that. I do not intend to marry a computer game (be it AoC and otherwise), you are free to try other games on the market and move on if something better comes along - I really do not get that 'you are either with us or against us' mentality many mmo players sport now days.
@OP
I have preordered so I voted option 1.
PS. Sorry for feeding the troll.
PIff. That's just stupid. It's of course peaches
New coat of paint? War looks pretty damn close to WoW. Exact same graphics style...
@Linuxxx: It's not changing anything. it's still not an open beta for me and i wont buy anything i dont know.
your reply was kinda unnecessary, except you're working for funcom....
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Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Call it what you want, if you want in, you can get in. Sounds kinda open to me.
I'll never understand the mentality of people who "hate" a video game or pray for it's demise? What the heck is up with that?
But, on every forum imaginable, the haters come to spew their venom. Why? What's the point?
There are so many good MMO's out there to choose from, each with it's strengths and weaknesses. Everyone has their own tastes, and they are entitled to their opinions, but, to hate a game and endlessly bash it on the forums, is not only immature, but moronic.
hahahah? Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?
You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name? You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards? Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.
What new ideas does aoc have? You think the comabt is new? The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again. It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.
hahahah? Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?
You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name? You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards? Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.
What new ideas does aoc have? You think the comabt is new? The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again. It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.
You "aim" in combat, atleast for melee chars. Thats new... but we can keep this on forever.
"Aoc has combat!"
"So does all other games duh! it's not new" -_-
i dont see why people just cant try the trial and see if they like it or not. it does not hurt to try anything.
Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.
How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?
Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.
Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.
Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.
I am playing Tabula Rasa now, I have AoC preordered and I am still following Warhammer. I am also keeping an eye on Chronicles of the Spellborn, Jumpgate Evolution and Bloodymare. I was planning on reactivating my WoW account once the new expansion came out but I recently reactivated to say hi to some old homies and found the game so boring that I couldn't get myself to play.
What game I actually stick with will depend on the developers. High fun factor + player skill required = here is my money.
Anyway, I am excited though, so many top notch games coming through the pipe!
I just hope that each of those listed games gets enough customers to keep it alive.
I see AoC as being the first game of it's type on the PC.
Consoles had the "high punch, low punch, middle punch" button mashing already, but they took that and seemed to have adapted it for a PC audience.... or just made sure it worked on XBOX and decided to port it to PC. Whatever their reasons it will be interesting to see if it works out. It will also affect future MMO releases on control schemes.
Problems I see: Beta works, but I don't think that has an bearing on what thousands of clients, (All running Windows Vista to get DX10) will do in sieges, quests, and bar brawls. What happens if the problem isn't the client, but Windows Vista itself? Doubtful, but there are plenty of times when Nvidia pointed at Windows and stated: It isn't our driver, it's the OS - and Windows pointed at Nvidia and said: It isn't the OS, it's the driver.
In the end it was the customer that suffered until the problem was smoothed out.
It is the first MMO to do this, and so I hope for the best so that others can learn from them, fix what they do wrong, and improve.
Much of it is just so untested and unproven I will have to wait a few weeks to try it out and see how things go.
I am glad it is releasing in May though, it gives WAR the ability to watch their launch and tweak their own. Let's people try AoC to see if they like it, and prevents the two games from having a huge conflict with acquiring subs.