what about another option: only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work. this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....
Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.
How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?
Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.
Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.
Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.
That's why open betas and trial periodes exist. It's not only to stress test the game server (in case of OB) but also a chance for me to test the game itself.
Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted*
and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide."
That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....
After playing the beta weekend I've decided to pass on this one. I didn't find the combat as enjoyable or actiony as I thought it would be. Other than that I've been spending so little time in MMOs these last few years that I've lost interest.
what about another option: only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work. this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....
Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive. How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out? Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing. Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free. Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.
That's why open betas and trial periodes exist. It's not only to stress test the game server (in case of OB) but also a chance for me to test the game itself. Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted* and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide." That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....
Sorry...But both you and the poster you are quoting, he himself refered to these examples as poor or plain bad examples..
Because that is what they are, you can't compare game software with buying a house or a new car...These are very expensive items and the buyer will even get some sort of guarantee for certain things..If the purchase doesn't contain or fullfill what it sais in it's description the purchase goes back, this is even in the law(In Sweden atleast)
These guarantee's doesn't exist in the entertainment industri as a whole, It's on a "I like this game or movie, but I do NOT like it" basis..
To explain further, I bet you have either bought or rented a bad film, even thou you saw the TRAILER, this film was the worst you have ever seen both in the story and quality.
And..A MMO..It's the same deal really..The game isnt more expensive than a ordinary PC game and you will even get your first MONTH game time included, you have a whole month to deicide if this game is worth your subscription or not, and PC games has never had any "Try this whole game for a couple of weeks first then make up your mind deals, ever"..It just happened with all the betas for MMO's lately..
Sure, there is gaming developers that has bad and good reputation, even those with almost flawless reputation...But games is always games
Either you will like AoC or you will hate it or you may end up in the middle. time will tell...
Personally I think WoW is one of the worst MMO experiences i have ever had even thou the product in itself is rather good..But even thou milllions are playing it and even thou Blizzard owns a flawless rep, I do not like WoW and think it's a crappy game..
What's that have to do with the price of eggs in England?
I love how games won't compare to games that aren't even out yet. I'm looking forward to playing AOC AND WAR AND GW2, when they arrive on the scene. Maybe not all three at the same time, but I will definately play them all.
So, what's your point anyway? AOC is coming out first. If you're NOT interested in AOC, then it doesn't matter, and you should not have even responded to this post.
And btw... There is very little information, if any, on the details regarding Guild Wars 2. Did you even know that? So based on ZERO information, you already decided that GW2 will be the second coming of our lord.
Aren't you getting sick of the same crap? WAR and it's like are just the same crap...with a new coat of paint.
AoC takes the genre forward. Let's get off this damn treadmill and make some progress!
So whats so super new? Sieges..no...Player built Cities..no...Player Siegable Cities...no...PvP no...PvP Battlegrounds nope...Teired Raiding system ? Not really.... Ooh PvP Levels...not really..
Its graphics and combat system are the only two things that stand out as 'different' than the rest. Its still a class based level based non sandbox game..which is most people's chief complaint with other MMOs.
Please Enlightment me with what makes AoC so much 1000 better than everything else...WAR atleast has some innovate & unique gameplay features.
You're just going to have to wait until release, unless you want to do some reading and educate yourself.
Let me just state that besides the unique game mechanics that you completely missed in your little rant, the game as an entirety is an innovation.
What is WAR? Another game with orcs and elves, using the same tired mechanics as all the games that come before it.
It's WoW 2.0, nothing more.
Hmm so basically you have no proof just claims is there..I've read plenty and none of it other than the two things I listed are anything remotely new. Thank you come again..btw that wasn't a rant..simply a question for you to back up your claims.
Its combat system is the only thing remotely new and honestly thats not enough for the type of Gameplay I enjoy.
btw to another poster I played FFXI Online and their Besieged quests are NOT anything like the PQ system from WAR.
I also think 200k Subs is a perfectly acceptable number will AoC get them? I dont know..Maybe..there are 400K people signed up for its beta.
I've no problem with AoC I do how ever take issue with people hyping the game as this super awsome New game doing such new things when really they aren't. They changed a mechanic that most people will just sort of forget about after the first year..its Content which actually keep people in game are nothing new to gush super hyperactive style.
Wow. You are extremely opinionated.
Actually, you don't seem to enjoy anything. I'd be curious to know what MMO you actually play that meets your definative criteria.
And please stop this, "every game needs to be revolutionary and break all molds" nonsense. If we all waited solely for games to fit that criteria, none of us would ever play anything. LOL!
I admit, it would be nice, but let's be realistic. Over time, games will evolve with technology and bring us new features. Until then, enjoy what's available.
the Public Quests in WAR are not the "same crap" and something that ALL MMOS could benefit from and lack in
both WAR and AOC offer new ideas
hahahah? Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?
You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name? You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards? Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.
What new ideas does aoc have? You think the comabt is new? The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again. It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.
OMG!
A game is coming out that at least tries a "new" twist on combat mechanisms, and you're complaining about that also?
So... Enlighten us... Please tell us exactly the way you percieve combat should be performed in an online game. Then, at least we'll have an idea and a reference point to debate, if indeed a debate should be deemed necessary.
I can't wait to read your thesis on combat mechanisms in a video game requiring NO button involvement of any kind. DDO had excellent combat, but you probably didn't like that game either.
I mean... I hear the constant whining, crying, moaning, tantrum throwing... Well, you get the message. And, I'm always left wondering this.
what about another option: only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work. this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....
Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.
How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?
Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.
Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.
Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.
That's why open betas and trial periodes exist. It's not only to stress test the game server (in case of OB) but also a chance for me to test the game itself.
Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted*
and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide."
That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....
I don't disagree with you, and I used the "silly" examples to "emphasize" a point.
But come on... We all play MMO's here. Very few of us are rookies. There's NO guarantees for anyone purchasing a video game, that he or she will find the game to be a mirror of their specific desires.
I pre-ordered AOC. I have never played it, tested it nor was I interested in the PVP weekend. I've read up enough on the game to, at least, make a decision that it would suit my tastes. I've been wrong before. Thought the same way about POTBS. Played that title for about 3 weeks and didn't care for it. Like I said, no guarantees.
Point is. If you're an experienced gamer, you will get a good "feel" for a title before you actually get a chance to play it. Trust your instincts, or wait until a free trial period opens up.
There are NO perfect MMO's. They don't exist, nor will they ever.
I canceled my collector edition preorder. The game doesn't make the genre go further, it makes it go backwards, just like WAR but on a way bigger scale.
As some have said already, only the combat melee system is new (and fun at times I must admit). All the other things are copied from other theme park MMOs, and some are even badly copied! The design is not well thought enough.
It guess it can be nice for PvE WoWers, while waiting for WotLK, thanks to the PvE content AoC will provide. But that's it.
The game doesn't make the genre go further, it makes it go backwards, just like WAR but on a way bigger scale. As some have said already, only the combat melee system is new (and fun at times I must admit). All the other things are copied from other theme park MMOs, and some are even badly copied! It guess it can be nice for PvE WoWers, while waiting for WotLK, thanks to the PvE content AoC will provide. But that's it. It's time the real MMO next-gen (sandbox) comes.
unfortunately, I don't see a sandbox in the future.
A sandbox with world-pvp, skill based, with a great crafting system and player driven economy, with the option to play on a perma-death server, would get my subscription in a split second.
Well... to the above poster. EDIT: too late... the poster above him.
*IF* AoC had everything it promised, would it fit your MMO standards?
((I know thats a big if but work with me here))
What type of sandbox do you want? Do you want to singlehandedly craft an empire, manage the resources, the war, the buildings, the crafting, the R&D, the training, and on top of that go questing, hunting, and rampaging? Think of the things you're asking from developers, and then ask which games hit closest to the mark.
Right now I'm willing to buy AoC to see how close it hits to my mark. The combat is a hell of a lot of fun and the character progression, community interaction, RP, and PvP domains all show promise.
The ultimate solution to every problem: more space marines.
Well hot dam I just read the first couple pages of this post and I have to say...
Why does ANYBODY argue that MMO's need to find the things that are NEW and INVENTIVE.
Thats a load of horse-puckey. I will submit for review a theorem:
JSTEINER'S THEOREM OF MMO INHERIT-ABILITY: No MMO deserves absolute credit for the development of its characteristics. All such traits deemed 'unique' and 'inventive' are, in fact, 'innovative' and an amalgamation of game-play features seen before.
Its a theorem because it's impossible to proove... but all the gameplay elements in games have been showcased in MMOs and single-player games before their time. ((Can anyone name the first game considered a sand-box RPG? I guarantee you it was not OU))
On a similar note... MMO's get better by finding the balance between these gameplay features, possibly innovating and improving them with the aid of a new generation of technology.
In conclusion. No. AoC is not new. Neither is WAR. Neither is WoW. Period. There will come a time when red-trolls and blue-trolls (this side and that side... I stop differentiated after a while) will not be able to trace the geneology of MMO traits back to their ancestors and people will argue that Lineage 14 invented the user interface.
The ultimate solution to every problem: more space marines.
I put maybe in a few months, but I do this for all MMORPG. In fact not be insulting but I think anyone who preorders almost any MMORPG is kinda being foolish.
Originally posted by Jsteiner Well... to the above poster. EDIT: too late... the poster above him.*IF* AoC had everything it promised, would it fit your MMO standards?((I know thats a big if but work with me here))
It would not have fit my MMO standards, no. But I would have played it since there's currently no MMO that fits my "not-so-recently updated" expectations and AoC would have been the better possibility (if Funcom'd respected their promises).
Originally posted by Jsteiner What type of sandbox do you want? Do you want to singlehandedly craft an empire, manage the resources, the war, the buildings, the crafting, the R&D, the training, and on top of that go questing, hunting, and rampaging? Think of the things you're asking from developers, and then ask which games hit closest to the mark.Right now I'm willing to buy AoC to see how close it hits to my mark. The combat is a hell of a lot of fun and the character progression, community interaction, RP, and PvP domains all show promise.
Except about the melee combat system, I have to disagree with you. Character progression is not promising at all. And PvP is killed by the huge quantity of instances and zoning in the game (at least to my expectations).
It is possible to implement a very sandbox-oriented game. Proof : early UO, early SWG, Eve Online. And at least 3 companies are implementing a sandbox game right now.
Unfortunately there is no recent or upcoming-soon game that "hits closest to the mark" (quoting you). None have an ounce of sandbox in them, they all are as far as the sandbox concept as you can be. It's all "theme park attractions".
I see AoC as being the first game of it's type on the PC. Consoles had the "high punch, low punch, middle punch" button mashing already, but they took that and seemed to have adapted it for a PC audience.... or just made sure it worked on XBOX and decided to port it to PC. Whatever their reasons it will be interesting to see if it works out. It will also affect future MMO releases on control schemes. Problems I see: Beta works, but I don't think that has an bearing on what thousands of clients, (All running Windows Vista to get DX10) will do in sieges, quests, and bar brawls. What happens if the problem isn't the client, but Windows Vista itself? Doubtful, but there are plenty of times when Nvidia pointed at Windows and stated: It isn't our driver, it's the OS - and Windows pointed at Nvidia and said: It isn't the OS, it's the driver.
In the end it was the customer that suffered until the problem was smoothed out. It is the first MMO to do this, and so I hope for the best so that others can learn from them, fix what they do wrong, and improve. Much of it is just so untested and unproven I will have to wait a few weeks to try it out and see how things go. I am glad it is releasing in May though, it gives WAR the ability to watch their launch and tweak their own. Let's people try AoC to see if they like it, and prevents the two games from having a huge conflict with acquiring subs.
High punch, middle punch, low punch only on consoles and first time on PC MMO? Didn't AC do that and had a separate block command? You could even alter the amount of speed you put into something that inturn regulated the power of your attack. Very fast-little power, very slow-big power
Tuskers loved to bash you in the head when you didn't wear a helm if I remember correctly...*sigh*....so long ago.
Anyway, I am sure AoC has a much more elaborate system than AC ever did. Would love something like that old sega gensis game.....what was that fighting game with the different characters and they all did a different fighting style like wrestling, kung fu, karate, and stuff....
VIrtual Fighter! 1 and 2! Ha Ha now THAT will be exciting one day to have those responses online. My son and I had many good times playing that......he always killed me using the ninja guy!
even the people who are die hard fans of AoC could tell graphics apart ... i mean unless you are blind
look at WAR then look at WOW and tell me they look the same
(i was a follower of AoC for a long time but WAR has pulled me away ) (The Acolytes will rule Hyboria)
I m so sick of WOW 2.0 etc, it s so not the case. I ve tested WAR and i can say anyone that thinks this is more misinformed then they think they are. I won t get into details because well you know why, but it s so far from the truth it s not even funny. Now i will more then likely play AOC because i can see some good in it, but why whenever i mention WAR as my game of choice and i ll drop AOC for it when it releases or play both more then likely WAR more, i get the whole WOW 2.0 crap. I know someone will come on here and say because they know they ve tested it like i did. Wel good for you but i won t believe it for a second because i m right there with you:) Lets just all enjoy our games or both if thats what you ll be doing and leave it at that. Now d/l your OB and shush:)
I see AoC as being the first game of it's type on the PC. Consoles had the "high punch, low punch, middle punch" button mashing already, but they took that and seemed to have adapted it for a PC audience.... or just made sure it worked on XBOX and decided to port it to PC. Whatever their reasons it will be interesting to see if it works out. It will also affect future MMO releases on control schemes. Problems I see: Beta works, but I don't think that has an bearing on what thousands of clients, (All running Windows Vista to get DX10) will do in sieges, quests, and bar brawls. What happens if the problem isn't the client, but Windows Vista itself? Doubtful, but there are plenty of times when Nvidia pointed at Windows and stated: It isn't our driver, it's the OS - and Windows pointed at Nvidia and said: It isn't the OS, it's the driver.
In the end it was the customer that suffered until the problem was smoothed out. It is the first MMO to do this, and so I hope for the best so that others can learn from them, fix what they do wrong, and improve. Much of it is just so untested and unproven I will have to wait a few weeks to try it out and see how things go. I am glad it is releasing in May though, it gives WAR the ability to watch their launch and tweak their own. Let's people try AoC to see if they like it, and prevents the two games from having a huge conflict with acquiring subs.
High punch, middle punch, low punch only on consoles and first time on PC MMO? Didn't AC do that and had a separate block command? You could even alter the amount of speed you put into something that inturn regulated the power of your attack. Very fast-little power, very slow-big power
Tuskers loved to bash you in the head when you didn't wear a helm if I remember correctly...*sigh*....so long ago.
Anyway, I am sure AoC has a much more elaborate system than AC ever did. Would love something like that old sega gensis game.....what was that fighting game with the different characters and they all did a different fighting style like wrestling, kung fu, karate, and stuff....
VIrtual Fighter! 1 and 2! Ha Ha now THAT will be exciting one day to have those responses online. My son and I had many good times playing that......he always killed me using the ninja guy!
Chinwakneeho, you are very right, from what I have read here the OP hasn't played a truely innovative MMO before. Your right and I know from experiance again, just went back to AC, that if you didn't wear a piece of armor lets say your hands, an Olthoi had a chance to hit you in the hand and do MASSIVE damages. Also AC had the protection system where if you had a shield equiped and you kept the second mob off to your shield side he wouldn't hit you as hard because he has this big shield to hit around. Then there was the combat, although it was an auto attack where you "select target" and go you had other choices, and they were, "High, Med, Low" and power rating of attack. If you had a sword you could put it on max power or anything over about 1/8th power and you would take big slow swings at your target and expend a tremendous amount of Stamina. However if you put the power below the 1/8th mark you would pierce your target with the tip of your sword causing pierce damages.
AOC will be a great game I think but it is not the first game to have alot of the things talked about by the OP. Back in the day AC had I think it was a maximum of 3000 people per server and the server was full, but if you wanted you could have almost all of them show up somewhere and the game was still playable. It just goes to show that if they program somethign right it will work, not like a game like Anarchy online, *shudders at release day*.
Also Chinwakneeho, I just went back to AC, and So far it is such a retro thing now that I love it...LOL.
Chinwakneeho, you are very right, from what I have read here the OP hasn't played a truely innovative MMO before. Your right and I know from experiance again, just went back to AC, that if you didn't wear a piece of armor lets say your hands, an Olthoi had a chance to hit you in the hand and do MASSIVE damages. Also AC had the protection system where if you had a shield equiped and you kept the second mob off to your shield side he wouldn't hit you as hard because he has this big shield to hit around. Then there was the combat, although it was an auto attack where you "select target" and go you had other choices, and they were, "High, Med, Low" and power rating of attack. If you had a sword you could put it on max power or anything over about 1/8th power and you would take big slow swings at your target and expend a tremendous amount of Stamina. However if you put the power below the 1/8th mark you would pierce your target with the tip of your sword causing pierce damages. AOC will be a great game I think but it is not the first game to have alot of the things talked about by the OP. Back in the day AC had I think it was a maximum of 3000 people per server and the server was full, but if you wanted you could have almost all of them show up somewhere and the game was still playable. It just goes to show that if they program somethign right it will work, not like a game like Anarchy online, *shudders at release day*. Also Chinwakneeho, I just went back to AC, and So far it is such a retro thing now that I love it...LOL.
Thought I remembered to always use my old "tinked up" fire sword on the tuskers toes. What server did you go to?
Anyway.......not to derail this thread by mentioning one of the most creative games designed, YES I will try AoC.
Why would you not try it if you already enjoy the genre? It is also trying to bring for the first time a new seedy adult environment. It is certainly worth the price of a couple of movie tickets for a much longer "new" experience.
I will not be playing it on release. It would require a new PC and summer is comming to worry about investing in a PC now. Maybe next fall.
Aren't you getting sick of the same crap? WAR and it's like are just the same crap...with a new coat of paint. AoC takes the genre forward. Let's get off this damn treadmill and make some progress!
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Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.
How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?
Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.
Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.
Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.
That's why open betas and trial periodes exist. It's not only to stress test the game server (in case of OB) but also a chance for me to test the game itself.Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted*
and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide."
That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....
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After playing the beta weekend I've decided to pass on this one. I didn't find the combat as enjoyable or actiony as I thought it would be. Other than that I've been spending so little time in MMOs these last few years that I've lost interest.
Sorry...But both you and the poster you are quoting, he himself refered to these examples as poor or plain bad examples..
Because that is what they are, you can't compare game software with buying a house or a new car...These are very expensive items and the buyer will even get some sort of guarantee for certain things..If the purchase doesn't contain or fullfill what it sais in it's description the purchase goes back, this is even in the law(In Sweden atleast)
These guarantee's doesn't exist in the entertainment industri as a whole, It's on a "I like this game or movie, but I do NOT like it" basis..
To explain further, I bet you have either bought or rented a bad film, even thou you saw the TRAILER, this film was the worst you have ever seen both in the story and quality.
And..A MMO..It's the same deal really..The game isnt more expensive than a ordinary PC game and you will even get your first MONTH game time included, you have a whole month to deicide if this game is worth your subscription or not, and PC games has never had any "Try this whole game for a couple of weeks first then make up your mind deals, ever"..It just happened with all the betas for MMO's lately..
Sure, there is gaming developers that has bad and good reputation, even those with almost flawless reputation...But games is always games
Either you will like AoC or you will hate it or you may end up in the middle. time will tell...
Personally I think WoW is one of the worst MMO experiences i have ever had even thou the product in itself is rather good..But even thou milllions are playing it and even thou Blizzard owns a flawless rep, I do not like WoW and think it's a crappy game..
This may or may not happen with AoC aswell..
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What's that have to do with the price of eggs in England?
I love how games won't compare to games that aren't even out yet. I'm looking forward to playing AOC AND WAR AND GW2, when they arrive on the scene. Maybe not all three at the same time, but I will definately play them all.
So, what's your point anyway? AOC is coming out first. If you're NOT interested in AOC, then it doesn't matter, and you should not have even responded to this post.
And btw... There is very little information, if any, on the details regarding Guild Wars 2. Did you even know that? So based on ZERO information, you already decided that GW2 will be the second coming of our lord.
Pure genius, I say!
Aren't you getting sick of the same crap? WAR and it's like are just the same crap...with a new coat of paint.
AoC takes the genre forward. Let's get off this damn treadmill and make some progress!
So whats so super new? Sieges..no...Player built Cities..no...Player Siegable Cities...no...PvP no...PvP Battlegrounds nope...Teired Raiding system ? Not really.... Ooh PvP Levels...not really..
Its graphics and combat system are the only two things that stand out as 'different' than the rest. Its still a class based level based non sandbox game..which is most people's chief complaint with other MMOs.
Please Enlightment me with what makes AoC so much 1000 better than everything else...WAR atleast has some innovate & unique gameplay features.
You're just going to have to wait until release, unless you want to do some reading and educate yourself.Let me just state that besides the unique game mechanics that you completely missed in your little rant, the game as an entirety is an innovation.
What is WAR? Another game with orcs and elves, using the same tired mechanics as all the games that come before it.
It's WoW 2.0, nothing more.
Hmm so basically you have no proof just claims is there..I've read plenty and none of it other than the two things I listed are anything remotely new. Thank you come again..btw that wasn't a rant..simply a question for you to back up your claims.
Its combat system is the only thing remotely new and honestly thats not enough for the type of Gameplay I enjoy.
btw to another poster I played FFXI Online and their Besieged quests are NOT anything like the PQ system from WAR.
I also think 200k Subs is a perfectly acceptable number will AoC get them? I dont know..Maybe..there are 400K people signed up for its beta.
I've no problem with AoC I do how ever take issue with people hyping the game as this super awsome New game doing such new things when really they aren't. They changed a mechanic that most people will just sort of forget about after the first year..its Content which actually keep people in game are nothing new to gush super hyperactive style.
Wow. You are extremely opinionated.
Actually, you don't seem to enjoy anything. I'd be curious to know what MMO you actually play that meets your definative criteria.
And please stop this, "every game needs to be revolutionary and break all molds" nonsense. If we all waited solely for games to fit that criteria, none of us would ever play anything. LOL!
I admit, it would be nice, but let's be realistic. Over time, games will evolve with technology and bring us new features. Until then, enjoy what's available.
hahahah? Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?
You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name? You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards? Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.
What new ideas does aoc have? You think the comabt is new? The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again. It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.
OMG!
A game is coming out that at least tries a "new" twist on combat mechanisms, and you're complaining about that also?
So... Enlighten us... Please tell us exactly the way you percieve combat should be performed in an online game. Then, at least we'll have an idea and a reference point to debate, if indeed a debate should be deemed necessary.
I can't wait to read your thesis on combat mechanisms in a video game requiring NO button involvement of any kind. DDO had excellent combat, but you probably didn't like that game either.
I mean... I hear the constant whining, crying, moaning, tantrum throwing... Well, you get the message. And, I'm always left wondering this.
What the heck do you guys want?
Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.
How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?
Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.
Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.
Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.
That's why open betas and trial periodes exist. It's not only to stress test the game server (in case of OB) but also a chance for me to test the game itself.Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted*
and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide."
That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....
I don't disagree with you, and I used the "silly" examples to "emphasize" a point.
But come on... We all play MMO's here. Very few of us are rookies. There's NO guarantees for anyone purchasing a video game, that he or she will find the game to be a mirror of their specific desires.
I pre-ordered AOC. I have never played it, tested it nor was I interested in the PVP weekend. I've read up enough on the game to, at least, make a decision that it would suit my tastes. I've been wrong before. Thought the same way about POTBS. Played that title for about 3 weeks and didn't care for it. Like I said, no guarantees.
Point is. If you're an experienced gamer, you will get a good "feel" for a title before you actually get a chance to play it. Trust your instincts, or wait until a free trial period opens up.
There are NO perfect MMO's. They don't exist, nor will they ever.
I spend $40 a week in gas. So $50 bucks really doesn't seem like much anymore.
Even if it sucks, it's not like I'm out much.
I canceled my collector edition preorder.
The game doesn't make the genre go further, it makes it go backwards, just like WAR but on a way bigger scale.
As some have said already, only the combat melee system is new (and fun at times I must admit). All the other things are copied from other theme park MMOs, and some are even badly copied!
The design is not well thought enough.
It guess it can be nice for PvE WoWers, while waiting for WotLK, thanks to the PvE content AoC will provide. But that's it.
It's time the real MMO next-gen (sandbox) comes.
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Waiting for: GW2
*thumbs up*: GW, Eve(, WoW)
*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
A sandbox with world-pvp, skill based, with a great crafting system and player driven economy, with the option to play on a perma-death server, would get my subscription in a split second.
Until then, theres AoC.
Well... to the above poster. EDIT: too late... the poster above him.
*IF* AoC had everything it promised, would it fit your MMO standards?
((I know thats a big if but work with me here))
What type of sandbox do you want? Do you want to singlehandedly craft an empire, manage the resources, the war, the buildings, the crafting, the R&D, the training, and on top of that go questing, hunting, and rampaging? Think of the things you're asking from developers, and then ask which games hit closest to the mark.
Right now I'm willing to buy AoC to see how close it hits to my mark. The combat is a hell of a lot of fun and the character progression, community interaction, RP, and PvP domains all show promise.
The ultimate solution to every problem: more space marines.
Well hot dam I just read the first couple pages of this post and I have to say...
Why does ANYBODY argue that MMO's need to find the things that are NEW and INVENTIVE.
Thats a load of horse-puckey. I will submit for review a theorem:
JSTEINER'S THEOREM OF MMO INHERIT-ABILITY:
No MMO deserves absolute credit for the development of its characteristics. All such traits deemed 'unique' and 'inventive' are, in fact, 'innovative' and an amalgamation of game-play features seen before.
Its a theorem because it's impossible to proove... but all the gameplay elements in games have been showcased in MMOs and single-player games before their time. ((Can anyone name the first game considered a sand-box RPG? I guarantee you it was not OU))
On a similar note... MMO's get better by finding the balance between these gameplay features, possibly innovating and improving them with the aid of a new generation of technology.
In conclusion. No. AoC is not new. Neither is WAR. Neither is WoW. Period. There will come a time when red-trolls and blue-trolls (this side and that side... I stop differentiated after a while) will not be able to trace the geneology of MMO traits back to their ancestors and people will argue that Lineage 14 invented the user interface.
The ultimate solution to every problem: more space marines.
I put maybe in a few months, but I do this for all MMORPG. In fact not be insulting but I think anyone who preorders almost any MMORPG is kinda being foolish.
Except about the melee combat system, I have to disagree with you. Character progression is not promising at all. And PvP is killed by the huge quantity of instances and zoning in the game (at least to my expectations).It is possible to implement a very sandbox-oriented game. Proof : early UO, early SWG, Eve Online. And at least 3 companies are implementing a sandbox game right now.
Unfortunately there is no recent or upcoming-soon game that "hits closest to the mark" (quoting you). None have an ounce of sandbox in them, they all are as far as the sandbox concept as you can be. It's all "theme park attractions".
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Waiting for: GW2
*thumbs up*: GW, Eve(, WoW)
*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
High punch, middle punch, low punch only on consoles and first time on PC MMO? Didn't AC do that and had a separate block command? You could even alter the amount of speed you put into something that inturn regulated the power of your attack. Very fast-little power, very slow-big power
Tuskers loved to bash you in the head when you didn't wear a helm if I remember correctly...*sigh*....so long ago.
Anyway, I am sure AoC has a much more elaborate system than AC ever did. Would love something like that old sega gensis game.....what was that fighting game with the different characters and they all did a different fighting style like wrestling, kung fu, karate, and stuff....
VIrtual Fighter! 1 and 2! Ha Ha now THAT will be exciting one day to have those responses online. My son and I had many good times playing that......he always killed me using the ninja guy!
WAR and WOW having the same graphics...
only a fool would make that statement ...
even the people who are die hard fans of AoC could tell graphics apart ... i mean unless you are blind
look at WAR then look at WOW and tell me they look the same
(i was a follower of AoC for a long time but WAR has pulled me away )
(The Acolytes will rule Hyboria)
I m so sick of WOW 2.0 etc, it s so not the case. I ve tested WAR and i can say anyone that thinks this is more misinformed then they think they are. I won t get into details because well you know why, but it s so far from the truth it s not even funny. Now i will more then likely play AOC because i can see some good in it, but why whenever i mention WAR as my game of choice and i ll drop AOC for it when it releases or play both more then likely WAR more, i get the whole WOW 2.0 crap. I know someone will come on here and say because they know they ve tested it like i did. Wel good for you but i won t believe it for a second because i m right there with you:) Lets just all enjoy our games or both if thats what you ll be doing and leave it at that. Now d/l your OB and shush:)
High punch, middle punch, low punch only on consoles and first time on PC MMO? Didn't AC do that and had a separate block command? You could even alter the amount of speed you put into something that inturn regulated the power of your attack. Very fast-little power, very slow-big power
Tuskers loved to bash you in the head when you didn't wear a helm if I remember correctly...*sigh*....so long ago.
Anyway, I am sure AoC has a much more elaborate system than AC ever did. Would love something like that old sega gensis game.....what was that fighting game with the different characters and they all did a different fighting style like wrestling, kung fu, karate, and stuff....
VIrtual Fighter! 1 and 2! Ha Ha now THAT will be exciting one day to have those responses online. My son and I had many good times playing that......he always killed me using the ninja guy!
Chinwakneeho, you are very right, from what I have read here the OP hasn't played a truely innovative MMO before. Your right and I know from experiance again, just went back to AC, that if you didn't wear a piece of armor lets say your hands, an Olthoi had a chance to hit you in the hand and do MASSIVE damages. Also AC had the protection system where if you had a shield equiped and you kept the second mob off to your shield side he wouldn't hit you as hard because he has this big shield to hit around. Then there was the combat, although it was an auto attack where you "select target" and go you had other choices, and they were, "High, Med, Low" and power rating of attack. If you had a sword you could put it on max power or anything over about 1/8th power and you would take big slow swings at your target and expend a tremendous amount of Stamina. However if you put the power below the 1/8th mark you would pierce your target with the tip of your sword causing pierce damages.
AOC will be a great game I think but it is not the first game to have alot of the things talked about by the OP. Back in the day AC had I think it was a maximum of 3000 people per server and the server was full, but if you wanted you could have almost all of them show up somewhere and the game was still playable. It just goes to show that if they program somethign right it will work, not like a game like Anarchy online, *shudders at release day*.
Also Chinwakneeho, I just went back to AC, and So far it is such a retro thing now that I love it...LOL.
Thought I remembered to always use my old "tinked up" fire sword on the tuskers toes.
What server did you go to?
Anyway.......not to derail this thread by mentioning one of the most creative games designed, YES I will try AoC.
Why would you not try it if you already enjoy the genre? It is also trying to bring for the first time a new seedy adult environment. It is certainly worth the price of a couple of movie tickets for a much longer "new" experience.
I will not be playing it on release. It would require a new PC and summer is comming to worry about investing in a PC now. Maybe next fall.
/agree