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  • ShinokateShinokate Member Posts: 19

    Funny enough

    Those are the 10 reasons WHY I pre-orderd!

  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977

    I might have taken this slightly seriously if I didn't know Pirrg was an NGE fanbois.

    Resons to play,

    1. NGE fanbois says it's crap.

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • KereboKerebo Member Posts: 131

    fanbois are fun, the irony is that they dont know they are it themselfs

  • ParkCarsHereParkCarsHere Member Posts: 666
    Originally posted by Thillian


    I don't think 10 reasons is adequate. It should be 100 reasons why not to play AoC.

    I don't even get out of bed each morning unless I have 100 reasons to.

  • pirrgpirrg Member Posts: 1,443

     

    Originally posted by singsofdeath


     
    Originally posted by pirrg


     
    Originally posted by Mordria


     
    Originally posted by pirrg


     
    Originally posted by thexrated


    [quote]They have already said the NDA will be lifted sometime after open beta starts. It doesn't matter when they lift it, as long as they do.[/quote]
     
    They release NDA for open beta. Not for closed beta tests.
     

     

    I felt i had to quote this for emphasis as many dont seem know about this. The above post is indeed true, funcom are NOT releasing NDA for close beta testers, only for open beta testers. That means all you level 13 newbies running around in your singleplayer tutorial can post about how amazing the game is.

    In either case, ill be here on release, pointing and laughing, just like i did on Vanguard and Dark and Light. It seems some people never learn.

    You can think what you want ...but a company doesn't spend 3 years in development, work directly with microsoft, nvidia, and advertise in reputable magazines just to release a pile of crap.

     

    I think everyone will be satisfied with the game even if there are minor bugs to work out.

    Ugh.. unfortunately for you, i know better...

     

    Whats so horrible about waiting a month or two after release rather then funding devs for half-finished games? How many sponorship deals didnt vanguard have? I mean really, when will you learn?

     

    Unfortunately, everyone assumes they know better. So this statement does not really help anything because no one will believe it. The times I've read that someone knows better on these forums is not even funny anymore.

     

     

    For example, for the longest time, people -KNEW- that Spellweaving would not be in at launch and wasn't even going to be revealed.

     

    Funny how that turned out, no?

     

    Lets just say my "knowledge level" is 77 and yours is 0, shall we? When i say i know, it means i KNOW. Im not speculating here like most people. The fact that they arent fully releasing NDA should speak volumes but i suppose people are too desperate for a good mmo to waste their lives on to see the truth. Human nature wins again, what sheep you are.

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  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812

    Originally posted by pirrg


     
     
    Lets just say my "knowledge level" is 77 and yours is 0, shall we? When i say i know, it means i KNOW. Im not speculating here like most people. The fact that they arent fully releasing NDA should speak volumes but i suppose people are too desperate for a good mmo to waste their lives on to see the truth. Human nature wins again, what sheep you are.
    Your knowledge-level (how cute), proves about....wait...lemme see....it's coming...ZIP.

     

    Because all those other Doomsayers had the same kind of funny ways of saying they are in Beta and knowing more than us poor uneducated people. And by the way, what makes you "think" that I don't have my own sources? Any particular insight?

     

    Guess not.

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  • neilh73neilh73 Member Posts: 239

    Everyone, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

     

    Pirrg, is a little troll who used to get his jollies on the SWG forum.  He did nothing but troll there and it looks like he has finally found something else to troll about, grats Pirrg.

    I could refute all his points, but it would go against NDA and anyway, who cares! 

    Leave Pirrg to his attention seeking ways and again - DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

     

     

     

    MMORPG History:
    Playing - EVE Online.
    Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion.
    Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
    Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.

  • JakeadunkJakeadunk Member Posts: 142

    I remember when WoW was released, well just before maybe a month before. I seriously didn't hear any real gripes or whines before it was launch like i do with this game. All i heard was how cool WoW was going to be and what kind of character you were going to play.  Basically people couldnt wait for WoW to be released so they could start playing it. But with this game it seems to be surrounded with controversy on what it will be when it is released. I say companies that don't have a strong reputation when making a MMO seem to never  really live up to people expectations of what they feel the game should be.  i think personally this game (AoC) will be some what like Star Wars Galaxies it seem like it will be a good game at first but then once released will only keep the true fans or fanboys playing it.  I feel strongly it will be a mess at launch but in time may smooth out, but this is based on the reputation of the company, as for the most part MMo's these days seem to release with alot of issues, unless they come from a well known company that has a pretty good rep in the gaming world. All i can say i think the rule of thumb with MMO's is wait about 6 months to a year and then see if the game is any good and if the company has lived up too their promises of making the game truly better.

    i Beta tested these games

    final fanasty XI, nmatrix online, DDO, LOTR online.

    Played these games, WoW, Asherons call, Everquest 1 and 2, final fanasty XI, star wars galaxies (4 years)

    lineage 2, asherons call 2 (ashamed to say that i did), Guild Wars (even tho  aint a real MMO but close).

    Smarter than the average bear? That is assuming bears are smart.

  • pirrgpirrg Member Posts: 1,443

    Originally posted by singsofdeath


     
    Originally posted by pirrg


     
     
    Lets just say my "knowledge level" is 77 and yours is 0, shall we? When i say i know, it means i KNOW. Im not speculating here like most people. The fact that they arent fully releasing NDA should speak volumes but i suppose people are too desperate for a good mmo to waste their lives on to see the truth. Human nature wins again, what sheep you are.
    Your knowledge-level (how cute), proves about....wait...lemme see....it's coming...ZIP.

     

     

    Because all those other Doomsayers had the same kind of funny ways of saying they are in Beta and knowing more than us poor uneducated people. And by the way, what makes you "think" that I don't have my own sources? Any particular insight?

     

    Guess not.

    .... a bit slow on the uptake arent you? heh..

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  • ArawonArawon Member Posts: 1,108

    I haven't preordered because real gameplay information is not available. I won't throw my money out there and hope.

  • A.BlacklochA.Blackloch Member UncommonPosts: 842
    Originally posted by Arawon

    I haven't preordered because real gameplay information isn't available, and i won't thrown my money out there again and hope.

    What kind of gameplay information are you lacking?
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    I played a game called the Witcher ( off line RPG ), It has has the most intense graphics to date. It also has a unique combat system. But most people can't get it to run on there computers. It has load screens for everything you do, the unique combat system gets very very old in less than a day. And tons of cut scenes that you have to view, I think the deves think people like being stopped dead in their tracks to view them. 95% of people playing it don't like it or can't get it to play.  5% will defend this game at all cost.

    I built a super computer just for AoC, including a Geforce 8800GTX card with Vista to be DX10 ready. But I will not be playing AoC as it sounds like the Witcher in every way. I'll tell you why 1- 20 is solo. It is to trick more people by allowing any honest review to be prolonged an extra week. Funcom marketing knows that the first week of sales are the most important .

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812

    Originally posted by page


    I played a game called the Witcher ( off line RPG ), It has has the most intense graphics to date. It also has a unique combat system. But most people can't get it to run on there computers. It has load screens for everything you do, the unique combat system gets very very old in less than a day. And tons of cut scenes that you have to view, I think the deves think people like being stopped dead in their tracks to view them. 95% of people playing it don't like it or can't get it to play.  5% will defend this game at all cost.
    I built a super computer just for AoC, including a Geforce 8800GTX card with Vista to be DX10 ready. But I will not be playing AoC as it sounds like the Witcher in every way. I'll tell you why 1- 20 is solo. It is to trick more people by allowing any honest review to be prolonged an extra week. Funcom marketing knows that the first week of sales are the most important .
    Ugh....how often do people have to say that the portion highlighted in red is a blatant lie?

     

    1-20 is NOT solo. You have a solo-quest running, your so called Destiny Quest, which, yes, you have to do on your own. But apart from that, once you enter Tortage, and stay in "Day" Mode, you are just as much in a MMO as in -any- other game.

     

    I will not talk about th erest of the things you mention, since that's as much personal preference as anything else. But this one assumption of 1-20 being solo just keeps creeping up like a bad habit.

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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    Sorry, Funcom's motives for 1 20 is to stop an honest review's for a week to boost sales, they just sugar coat it !     And the beta is just to lv. 13

  • ArawonArawon Member Posts: 1,108

    I think we have been given a VERY GUIDED tour of the game.I and many others want real..unfiltered information.Not constrained by levels.The real game doesn't start till level 20.Who has been able to speak about un monitoured play at levels over 20 without the thought police ready to clamp down.If I have a winner...you don't hide it when you want to get subscribers.

  • Volgore2Volgore2 Member Posts: 40

    7. Its funcom.

     

    That's actually a good one and i can relate to it. The game may be this or that, but i cancelled my preorder times ago when in the beta i saw how poor Funcom handled so many things both in general and particular.

    Until today, following the way how Funcom handled some other cases, i see i was right about them and i expect the future to proof this further on down the road.

    This my personal experience along with how AO went off at it's time, i don't count Funcom as a reliable company to trust with their doins.

  • greymanngreymann Member Posts: 757

    Originally posted by pirrg


    Nothing in the below post breaks the NDA in any shape or form, having said that, here are 10 reasons why you should cancel your pre-order ASAP.
     
     
    1. The so called "open beta" is infact a fileplanet subscriber exclusive.
    2. The open beta only allows you to get to level 13, which means you wont even get to the MMO part of the game. Might aswell be a singleplayer demo in that aspect.
    3. With less then a month left to release the NDA is STILL in effect.
    4. Online gaming sites have only been allowed to play under supervision and for a very limited amount of time, which effectively limits their reporting to whatever funcom wants them to report.
    5. Countless beta leaks on various forums (of which many are consistent with other leaks) stating a plethora of issues with the game and that it is not ready for release.
    6. Where are the ACTUAL siege movies? So far all weve seen are video demonstrations and not fraps recordings of two real beta guilds sieging it out. Not even a screenshot!
    7. Its funcom. Remember Anarchy Online? Dubbed by many to be the worst launch in MMO history(possibly rivaled by dark and light).
    8. Lucrative yet expensive pre-order deals (read: siege mounts) usually means the devs are out to make a quick buck before the shi* hits the storm (a'la dark and light).
    9. The amount of information released on one of the game's biggest selling points is vague at best, looking more like a showcase of its potential then what is actually implemented right now. Yes im talking about sieging.
    10. And last but not least, its fanboys. Ive noticed a trend in games that fail soon after release and that is; the crappier the game, the more rabid the fanboy. We saw this trend in Vanguard, Dark and Light, Pirates of The Burning Sea and DDO. All of whom can be considered rather huge failures in terms of hype pre-release versus success post-release.
    All these games had huge followings of rabid fanboys that would burn alive any critic of the game no matter how sounds their arguments were. This trend has become painfully apparent in AoC and unfortunately, its due to these fanboys that would rather flame and troll then question the developers motives of not releasing a full scale NDA-free beta that will ultimately doom this game.
     
     
     

    As excited as I am about this game and as much as I hope you're wrong, thank you.  I would never preorder and I encourage other people not too be hype-driven maniacs.  If we really can't test the mmo part of the game in open beta then I'll be waiting a week before purchasing.  It's really not that hard.

  • JammaslamJammaslam Member Posts: 265

    I dont think I will pre-order at all actually, I will wait, the biggest reason Im interested is the Necro class looks fun to me and perhaps the demonologist, since I enjoy pet classes.   But I didnt play EQ2 until 2 years after release, I am glad I waited for that as well.

  • Psiho246Psiho246 Member Posts: 482

    You are right.

    If you are insecure about a product don't preorder.

    But please don't judge a game by how developers are handling the beta or by beta at all. After all it is beta and a stress test.

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  • mk11232mk11232 Member Posts: 217

    I'll stick with my preorder until after trying the game and getting into the open beta (starting tomorrow) .

    I'm a very casual player so I don't care if its not completley polished at launch, it took me months to get to lvl 30 in eq2. 

    OP seems to be solely interested in seige warfare.  Why would you want to rush all the lower levels simply to siege warefare.  If that's what your interesetd in, buy yourself Midevil Total War 2 (great game!).

    I'm not hardcore, take my time, and enjoy my experience.

    /currently playing EVE

  • MitnalMitnal Member Posts: 99
    Originally posted by pirrg


    Nothing in the below post breaks the NDA in any shape or form, having said that, here are 10 reasons why you should cancel your pre-order ASAP.
     
     
    1. The so called "open beta" is infact a fileplanet subscriber exclusive.
    get a job, then maybe you could pay it, if you dont like it dont cry about it.
    2. The open beta only allows you to get to level 13, which means you wont even get to the MMO part of the game. Might aswell be a singleplayer demo in that aspect.
    theres a general beta, those ppl are seeing the whole game, stop QQing.
    3. With less then a month left to release the NDA is STILL in effect.
    Why are you so uptight about the NDA, ppl have seen and played the game, its coming along well. What you dont like surprises? i do, and i like to play a game where i dont know whats gonna happen next, between levels 20-80, if NDA was lifted you would have fools spewing spoilers all over these boards.
    4. Online gaming sites have only been allowed to play under supervision and for a very limited amount of time, which effectively limits their reporting to whatever funcom wants them to report.
    and? whats your point.  Maybe they are trying to keep some content so we can figure it out or see it for ourselves before someone sees it and tells everyone and their momma
    5. Countless beta leaks on various forums (of which many are consistent with other leaks) stating a plethora of issues with the game and that it is not ready for release.
    LOL, betaleaks.com and many other sites have  as much credibility as the gum under my shoe
    6. Where are the ACTUAL siege movies? So far all weve seen are video demonstrations and not fraps recordings of two real beta guilds sieging it out. Not even a screenshot!
    like i said, why ruin the surprise? its like going out with that one friend, everyone has this friend, that ruins movies because he saw it the day before. He starts telling you whats gonna happen next in the middle of the movie, i dunno about you but i get mad when someone tells me the ending to a movie when im only 5 mins away from actually seeing it.
    7. Its funcom. Remember Anarchy Online? Dubbed by many to be the worst launch in MMO history(possibly rivaled by dark and light).
    AO was pretty bad i will admit, but from what it looks like , and if you knew, they are way passed that stage. Go do some research and look at how far AO was at this point before launch and look at AoC.
    8. Lucrative yet expensive pre-order deals (read: siege mounts) usually means the devs are out to make a quick buck before the shi* hits the storm (a'la dark and light).
    pretty sure the regular pre order gives you the mount. You dont have to pay extra, unless you want to dl it early and play earlier. If you dont have the money and ur QQing about it, then get a job, if you have one and its still not enough, go to college, major in something simple for your puny brain and get a real job with that degree. (borrow money from your parents for college or get a loan since your already broke, since college is a tad bit expensive now.)
    9. The amount of information released on one of the game's biggest selling points is vague at best, looking more like a showcase of its potential then what is actually implemented right now. Yes im talking about sieging.
    same as the answer for question # 6
    10. And last but not least, its fanboys. Ive noticed a trend in games that fail soon after release and that is; the crappier the game, the more rabid the fanboy. We saw this trend in Vanguard, Dark and Light, Pirates of The Burning Sea and DDO. All of whom can be considered rather huge failures in terms of hype pre-release versus success post-release.
    every game has fan's , such as every sports team has fans. But dont let some of these dummies pull you away from a good game, if you dont want to pre-order it then just wait after so you can speculate if its the game for you. Thats why our countries fight big wars, for the right of "Freedom of choice", you dont have to play it, but if you choose to then play it and dont let these idiots pull you away.
     
    See you in AoC.
    All these games had huge followings of rabid fanboys that would burn alive any critic of the game no matter how sounds their arguments were. This trend has become painfully apparent in AoC and unfortunately, its due to these fanboys that would rather flame and troll then question the developers motives of not releasing a full scale NDA-free beta that will ultimately doom this game.
     
    PS. ^ again wrong.
     
     
     

     

  • Dr.RockDr.Rock Member Posts: 603

    Too much reliance on other peoples opinion of what is good, and what isn't in the MMO world. It seems to be forgotten there is no right or wrong, just personal taste, big is seldom a measure of quality, although a lot of people need the comfort of it.

    Will I pre-order, nope, not because I am not interested, I just don't have enough free time for another MMO at the moment, when I do I will try it and make up my own mind. Plus the boxes will be a lot cheaper in a few months time and the floating masses will have moved on.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by pirrg


    Nothing in the below post breaks the NDA in any shape or form, having said that, here are 10 reasons why you should cancel your pre-order ASAP.
     
     
    1. The so called "open beta" is infact a fileplanet subscriber exclusive.
    2. The open beta only allows you to get to level 13, which means you wont even get to the MMO part of the game. Might aswell be a singleplayer demo in that aspect.
    3. With less then a month left to release the NDA is STILL in effect.
    4. Online gaming sites have only been allowed to play under supervision and for a very limited amount of time, which effectively limits their reporting to whatever funcom wants them to report.
    5. Countless beta leaks on various forums (of which many are consistent with other leaks) stating a plethora of issues with the game and that it is not ready for release.
    6. Where are the ACTUAL siege movies? So far all weve seen are video demonstrations and not fraps recordings of two real beta guilds sieging it out. Not even a screenshot!
    7. Its funcom. Remember Anarchy Online? Dubbed by many to be the worst launch in MMO history(possibly rivaled by dark and light).
    8. Lucrative yet expensive pre-order deals (read: siege mounts) usually means the devs are out to make a quick buck before the shi* hits the storm (a'la dark and light).
    9. The amount of information released on one of the game's biggest selling points is vague at best, looking more like a showcase of its potential then what is actually implemented right now. Yes im talking about sieging.
    10. And last but not least, its fanboys. Ive noticed a trend in games that fail soon after release and that is; the crappier the game, the more rabid the fanboy. We saw this trend in Vanguard, Dark and Light, Pirates of The Burning Sea and DDO. All of whom can be considered rather huge failures in terms of hype pre-release versus success post-release.
    All these games had huge followings of rabid fanboys that would burn alive any critic of the game no matter how sounds their arguments were. This trend has become painfully apparent in AoC and unfortunately, its due to these fanboys that would rather flame and troll then question the developers motives of not releasing a full scale NDA-free beta that will ultimately doom this game.
     
     
     

    That one line I highlighted just blew your post all to hell. You have no idea what you're talking about.

  • jopyjopy Member Posts: 24

    I agree with the OP, all media material that been released so far is carefully selected and hyped. I suspect the closed-beta testers see significant problems in the game post-20 but are restricted by the NDA.

    It doesn't take a genius to pick up the leaks here and there by disgruntled testers highlighting the lack of siege or endgame content.

    And my personal opinion: PvP minigames = retarded.

    Enjoy the 1-13 open beta, lmao

  • AselliaAsellia Member UncommonPosts: 174
    Originally posted by pirrg


    Nothing in the below post breaks the NDA in any shape or form, having said that, here are 10 reasons why you should cancel your pre-order ASAP.
     
     
    1. The so called "open beta" is infact a fileplanet subscriber exclusive.
    2. The open beta only allows you to get to level 13, which means you wont even get to the MMO part of the game. Might aswell be a singleplayer demo in that aspect.
    3. With less then a month left to release the NDA is STILL in effect.
    4. Online gaming sites have only been allowed to play under supervision and for a very limited amount of time, which effectively limits their reporting to whatever funcom wants them to report.
    5. Countless beta leaks on various forums (of which many are consistent with other leaks) stating a plethora of issues with the game and that it is not ready for release.
    6. Where are the ACTUAL siege movies? So far all weve seen are video demonstrations and not fraps recordings of two real beta guilds sieging it out. Not even a screenshot!
    7. Its funcom. Remember Anarchy Online? Dubbed by many to be the worst launch in MMO history(possibly rivaled by dark and light).
    8. Lucrative yet expensive pre-order deals (read: siege mounts) usually means the devs are out to make a quick buck before the shi* hits the storm (a'la dark and light).
    9. The amount of information released on one of the game's biggest selling points is vague at best, looking more like a showcase of its potential then what is actually implemented right now. Yes im talking about sieging.
    10. And last but not least, its fanboys. Ive noticed a trend in games that fail soon after release and that is; the crappier the game, the more rabid the fanboy. We saw this trend in Vanguard, Dark and Light, Pirates of The Burning Sea and DDO. All of whom can be considered rather huge failures in terms of hype pre-release versus success post-release.
    All these games had huge followings of rabid fanboys that would burn alive any critic of the game no matter how sounds their arguments were. This trend has become painfully apparent in AoC and unfortunately, its due to these fanboys that would rather flame and troll then question the developers motives of not releasing a full scale NDA-free beta that will ultimately doom this game.
     
     
     First and foremost, they are limiting the content due to the Storyline being so good they didn't want to give it all away at once (Least this was what they said.). Level 13 is more then enough to Sample the games gameplay (That's right, an MMO with gameplay! You don't click and watch!).  The NDA is in effect for that exact reason too, to avoid spoilers before the Game is released.
     
    And rewards for pre-orders have ALWAYS been part of MMOs, not just this so I honestly don't know what you're getting at here. And before you go calling me a "Fanboy" yes, I like the game. Woopdeefuckingdoo, honestly if you're going to classify us at least take into mind that you're no better then us. If you're not preaching for this, i'm sure you will/have been preaching for another in the past.
    Got to keep in mind that they have said on many occasions that they have "Nothing to hide" and they truly don't. I'm sure this game will be successful and a lot of fun (Heheh).

     

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