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Lol Another WoW?!? lmfao
onlinenow225
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Well if you want to call a RvR game that is putting everything together and improving it another WoW game then yes it is. It is doing what WoW did to raiding. WoW made raiding and mmos a "causual" thing.
What do i mean by its doing the same thing? Well its putting all the good ideas into one game, and improving them. Is this not what made WoW so great? (to some not I) So to all that says LoL OMFGBBQ another WoW clone, ill be happy if this is yet a "WoW" clone because then it should be another 10mil subscriber hit.
Yet... The only true cloning going on is that its an mmo with class' with levels' skills' orcs and what not and the fact that they are taking their time and putting all the good about RvR and some good about PvE into one game. And thats all WoW ever did.
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Yeah dude this game will be awesome, I mean who wouldn't love World of Warcraft battlegrounds, all the time, with none of the other World of Warcraft content, in one nice warhammer titled game?
HEH
AoC got me really excited recently... as... well its new and different. Combat is different, different pvp system, real property in game to fight over so conflict has an incentive.
WAR will be popular among those that like wow and wow type gameplay... but for folks who loved DAOC... WAR isnt really what they are expecting sadly. Granted there are many months for them to tweak and change, but thats a pretty big design change from what I have seen.
I love the hypcrosisy of AoC fans..they cry for new new new..yet their playing AoC which only offers better graphics, spellweaving and an arrow combat system....all its Game Play Mechanis come from EQ1, WoW, ShadowBane, & SWG pre NGE....funny it took all the mechanics that made those games unpopular & some popular features and updated them with a tiny bit of spit letting their fanbois claim 'new'. Whats even funnier is they get pissed off when WAR fans point this out on their boards, the general boards, or even these boards but seem to have no problem coming here to obvious noob to MMORPG.com threads and posting BS.
You know atleast deeply research parts of WAR before speaking...I'm not saying its so uber new elite awsome but it has alot of features that make it stand out and away from WoW. The few things it took from WoW are the standard things that exist between all MMOs that have PvE.
Things it didn't take that make it vastly different....Living Cities, Living Guilds (the Banner System most definitly awsome), PQ system, an End Game that isn't based on horrible grindy PvE Kaplanesqe Raids (if you dont know what that means you should read up on Kaplan from EQ1..he invented the hell that is raids..left and went to WoW and gave them raids too). Hidden Boss Mobs, Hidden public Dungeons (Lairs), ...should I go on?
If you only scratch the surface then every single MMO is a clone.
WAR is NOT WoW ..its not a WoW clone...The clone Term is just a pissed off elistist term invented by people from EQ1 who were pissed off when WoW came out and called WoW an EQ1 clone. Its completely retarded to let this term continue.
You like AoC awsome..go play AoC...you like WAR awsome go play it..but don't ruin it for other people it just makes you look like a complete douche when you speak nonsense.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I just wanted people to read what i had to say by the topic statement being "WoW clone" cuz everyone flocks to that.
im sure anyone in their right mind could post a list of all the things that make WAR..not a WOW clone
they could but if you ask AoC people about their game...and I was geniunely interested in the game the first few times I asked a long time ago in a galaxy far far away..I got yelled at and told "graphics and combat' ... honestly thats not enough to get me to play a game for more than 30 days.
op I was replying to Pyro...and honestly I had no clue what you were babbling about...the fact you bothered to make this thread actually kinda peeves me off because its Pointless and there's already like X billion threads on this subject and they all result in flame wars since the AoC fans can't resist flocking to this stupid topic and acting superior.
I really hope AoC turns out great for those people...so that they'll leave us in peace to discuss our game.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Unlike all you fools that have loyalty to two games that arent even released yet, I will enjoy both WAR and AoC.
Okay if its another wow? And?
Okay AoC is just gonna be a key masher? And?
Both look great to me in their art style/visuals and both are gonna offer new ideas.
Im not 100% up on either although I am in the Conan beta, but the main thing that stood out in war to me was the community quests, where people actually you know work together and the rewards are spread to many people.
I believe both games also are gonna have avatars take up actual space (no going through people) which opens up new tactical strategies.
Darkfall for now.
Quit bashing games YOU don't like! Including WoW, you know you liked it before you got burned out.
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It looked more like a shiney new DAoC to me nothing like WoW lucky I want a shiney new DAoC
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my bigg selling point on AoC at first was the combat system it looked good but the more i saw and read about it the more it turned me off...sure its not the norm..but come on you will still end up using the certain moves over and over again to do the most damage or get the best heals i mean all and all its the same thing but in a different way
the OP ..i think.. was taking about what WARs RVR is doing for PVP ,and its equal to , what WOWs Raiding system did to PVE i undertand what he is trying to say but i really cant undertand why you would bother to make that connection.. WOWs raiding was anyhting but causal at least not for the later ones trying getting a PUG for BT...and see how long they last....
and yeah Battlegrounds were cool only to the fact that THEY WERE WOWs PVP and after they took out the honor system it had nothing cool left....
The PVP/RVR system in WAR will be much stronger and give you a purpose to PVP not just because you are tired of grinding
Raiding is a great PvE end game for 1 type of player...it should of never ever been the ONLY end game to a PvE game that attracted dozens of different types of PvE players.
RvR though is doing somethign good for PvP thats for sure..Raiding never did anything good for anyone but Raiders.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Needalife hence why i put "casual" because its aimed at the casuals but it anything but casual.
An updated DAoC in the Warhammer world. I really don't see all of this WoW clone stuff either. Yeah it is hot key combat, I don't know of an MMO that not to some degree except for maybe Planetside.
ok my bad sorry getting late and i just read through the post not looking for sarcasm.
Stop feeding the
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Just like AoC your precious WAR is yet another mindless clone of EQ1/2, WoW, etc. There is absolutely nothing that is "living" about this or any other MMO to date. Objectives, quests, end-game content, etc all just resets on a timer like every other game ever made.
When a game actually evolves and changes based on the actions of players, then it will be close to "living".
When a game comes out that is not an infinite lives FPS with the delusion of benefits, then there will be something "new".
When a game comes out that has something that vaguely resembles a thought out responses to the psychotic murderers known as PCs, that can react to the actions of PCs, that doesn't have canned repeatable quests and grinds, then there will be a game that does not clone the mindless console monkey mentality that is called an MMORPG.
Calling todays MMOs RPGs is in the same realm of thought and reasoning and callen a paint ball game World War II.
Agrueing about the merits of one MMO as better than another is about as worthwhile as agruing over the geo-political impact of said paintball game.
Mythic should've stuck with what worked and made DAoC 2.
Silly Mythic.
Should we compare shall we.
Warhammer came out about.. 25years ago.
Warcraft came out in the late 90's (what i recall atleast. Could be wrong)
Blizzard have obviously gotten inspiration from games workshop's warhammer world for their characters. Even though they seem somewhat more ugglier and etc.
Bash and troll and like both games as you desire. I do not care. Warhammer is warhammer and wow is still wow. Even though they are "the same"
The speed of the mole and the power of steel is my weapon
It's really not so much about what was first, but the impression you get when you actually play WAR...
I fully understand that Blizzard has heavily borrowed from the Warhammer Universe and artwork, but there is always more then one solution to any given task (such as translating Warhammer into an MMO), and Mythic - I am sorry to say - has followed WoW all to closely in that respect. People are hoping for DaoC2...but its going to be WoW-goes-RvR. Whether that is a good or a bad thing is a matter of personal preference, no doubt about that.
Whether WAR will however be able to also match WoW in sub numbers - we will see, wont we. They still have a couple of months to go to get the game on the right track.
Why does everyone say, warhammer is a wow clone? Who was first and who "really copieyd who?
Dark age of camelot was out before wow, and warhammer looks more like daoc in the most things, just some new graphic and movement. And what about skills and class/race.. Warhammer have never copied wow in any of that.. Table top game? Heard of that? Wow failed when the expantion got out, all the raids was gone, ad world pvp was out of question, THAT MAKES WARHAMMER A GREATER GAME THAN WOW!
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I just wanted people to read what i had to say by the topic statement being "WoW clone" cuz everyone flocks to that.
Im in the WAR beta... most of you arent... yet Im ignorant?
Am I the only one detecting the not-so-subtle irony in the OP?
Oh come off it people.. There is no "real" originality in art (pardon me, entertainment) nor there ever was. It's all the same done in a different manner. Shakespeare's Hamlet was a "ripoff" from a dozen Hamlets before and so was Goethe's Faust.
All Tolkien did was rehashing the old english+nordic mythology and combine it with his knowledge of greek myth structure. It could be argued that the only really original creation of his were the hobbits and well... how imaginative do you have to be create a fantasy race that is a caricature of the english rural class he condescendingly patronized from his Oxford ivory tower. And now people say he "invented" fantasy. Meh, read critics from the time LoTR was published - they're mostly unanimous: "Who needs more of the same old..."
Get real people. This "cloning" thing is getting ridiculous and the OP is pointing this out. If the thing works no one is going to care if it borrowed features, gfx, UI or whatnot from games before. These things evolve and true revolutions in art (pardon me, entertainment) are very rare if they exist at all.
You are spot on...I call it the "WoWfeel" but the similarities stops here.I wish Mythic had taken another route with this game but they'll stay close to what made the success of WoW and DAoC,add some innovations of their own like the Tome of Knowledge.I still have hope as the main focus of the game is RvR which will always keep the war alive, thing that Blizzard was unable to do.They still have 5 months to do it right and make sure to have a smooth launch.
As for the warhammer/Warcraft controversy,Blizzard art dept copied a lot from GW.I choose the word copied and not inspired because they had to change lot of designs and names which were proof of plagiarism.
But Blizzard do have credit to have pulled World of warcraft MMO first,simplified and easy to learn by Mr & Mrs everybody who has no top end PC and above all never played an mmo and they opened the market to millions.Like it or not Blizzard has done more good to the market than bad.
EvE Online is the proof that other games can be successful as long as they know what playerbase they are targeting.If we are looking for innovation we will have to wait for"The Secret World" "World of Darkness" Stargate Worlds which is no High fantasy and may be the secret MMO from 38 Studios with RA Salvatore and McFarlane.
I will play WAR simply because I like the Warhammer universe,it's all about entertainement guys.
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In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
People like you are the dullest ever. Sure there is originallity in art. The artists personal touch? You can't say that everything is made before someone. Because, how do you know? Does your intellect and reasoning tell you this? Because i smell bullshit. Everything a person does, atleast in litterature and art that has meant something for the world. Wasn't just the paint and pages. It was the persons touch and thoughts.
So you honestly believe there was another Davinci, Goethe, michellangelo, gogh etc? That's just sad you know..
The speed of the mole and the power of steel is my weapon
The VERY FIRST pictures of WAR had green dorky cartoon looking orks.... the graphics on the orks looked similar to WoW's OrCs. (thats because wow's orcs are based on war orks not the other way around)
But since then warhammer has undergone about 3 skin changes and looks NOTHING like warhammer online.
also note... these are level 50 wow toons and only Tier 2 Warhammer toons.
2 elven females and 2 human males in yellow plate. the graphics are not even CLOSE and the art is lightyears apart. so if the graphics are not the same... the colors are not the same.... the art is not the same and the effects are not the same... what looks similar? I just want to know that.