Another quality Darkfall post, this one certainly delivers in the sh*t’s and giggles department like so many others, I’d like to thank especially Kairarr and weg886 (don’t you guys ever change for nobody).
OP after 8 years of people attempting to highlight the bleeding obvious it certainly does seems futile to continue to do so but never the less keep up the good work, still many months till the end of the year.
The most complicated and ambitious MMO with the largest feature list in the history of the industry is apparently only going to require a public beta test of a few weeks duration?
I certainly find that extremely difficult to believe, nevertheless whether this game is the greatest MMO ever released or the greatest MMO failure I’m guaranteed priceless entertainment either way.
Yep, Razorwax (4) moved to Greece and JOINED Aventurine (20+). How many thay are today, we dont know. I would guess around 50 developers+ pro testers. That isnt bad for a first MMO : ) Maybe they will have 300 developers in the future to?
The main problem here is that Aventurin's market is :Aerospace, Space, Defence, Aviation.
Second problem I have with darkfall development is what is the game made in java will we get something like dofus ( flash). Their requirements for programmer are:
Overview:
Aventurine S.A. is looking for a senior game logic programmer for our highly anticipated MMORPG Darkfall Online.(www.darkfallonline.com)
The position requires you to implement gameplay features and system features in Java.
I dont know since 2006 I became very skeptic about everything regarding darkfall as in almost 8 years i belive we should see something more then few screenshots and rendered gameplay.
Well, if they dont get a relatively large number of players testing this game 6mos+ before release, I figure it will have plenty of holes in it - especially when it comes to balance, exploits, and those really nasty bugs. /shrug
This quote from their Dev journal #25 has me wondering and still questioning the future:
"Something that Darkfall has that other games may lack during testing is help from the AI. In Darkfall the game doesn't really distinguish between a player and the AI. The AI are bots actually living their life and skilling up within the game. The AI has been helping us test a large part of the game almost as if players were in it."
a LARGE part he says....hmmm makes me wonder how many players are actually testing the game...or if there are testers at all. it almost seems as if the AI is acting as the "testers" which could explain a large number of things ive been questioning over the last couple years.
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
hmm this is probably one of the best fanboi posts I ever saw.
Keep up the good work.
Keep in mind AoC have those so called pro testers aka QA team and close beta is running since April 2007, compared to dark fall they have maybe 20% of features and I dont see that beta running "almost perfect"
Just on the side note: Funcom 300 employees, DF = 4 guys moved from Norway to Greece.
p.s. Dont get me wrong Iam DF fan and I really wish the game is released but man posting such nonsense is not good for anyone ( except trolls )
IK this is a troll taking the proverbial.... Or a poor attempt at sarcasm
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
hmm this is probably one of the best fanboi posts I ever saw.
Keep up the good work.
Keep in mind AoC have those so called pro testers aka QA team and close beta is running since April 2007, compared to dark fall they have maybe 20% of features and I dont see that beta running "almost perfect"
Just on the side note: Funcom 300 employees, DF = 4 guys moved from Norway to Greece.
p.s. Dont get me wrong Iam DF fan and I really wish the game is released but man posting such nonsense is not good for anyone ( except trolls )
IK this is a troll taking the proverbial.... Or a poor attempt at sarcasm
yep there making bull.. claims because they run out of things to say heh its actully pretty lame
no you have to be stupid to not believe them there is no point in lieing to us. Let me get this straight, I’m stupid if I don’t believe a developer who’s constantly failed to meet expectations or promises, multiple beta and release dates and has failed to provided any substantial evidence to back up the majority of there claims for over 7 years? But not only that I also have to be incapable of appreciating that there may of been a point to their lies in the past and that they might have a point to lie to us now and that there might be a point to any possible lies in the future. Finally I feel I am becoming able to understand the psyche of the Darkfall supporter.
it would ruin them. I think you’ll find that it already has ruined them in the eyes of the majority, lets hope this time they have not cried wolf one to many times.
esspiccly with no money spent before you try it Yeah, because as long as we don’t spend any money the developers should not be held accountable for there actions nor are we entitled to express are concerns or criticisms of there potentially dubious behavior, even thought we still don’t know anything specific at all about the financial preparations concerning this games launch. I mean its not like the developers have said one thing and then done another at any time over the years is it?
no you have to be stupid to not believe them there is no point in lieing to us. Let me get this straight, I’m stupid if I don’t believe a developer who’s constantly failed to meet expectations or promises, multiple beta and release dates and has failed to provided any substantial evidence to back up the majority of there claims for over 7 years? please provide the link with official announced date of delivery. But not only that I also have to be incapable of appreciating that there may of been a point to their lies in the past and that they might have a point to lie to us now and that there might be a point to any possible lies in the future. what lies ? please provide link to example of such a"lie" you talking about. Finally I feel I am becoming able to understand the psyche of the Darkfall supporter. can you explain further what you think about the "psyche of DarkFall supporter" ?
it would ruin them. I think you’ll find that it already has ruined them in the eyes of the majority, lets hope this time they have not cried wolf one to many times. People nowadays are voyeuristic and support paparazzi behavior when it comes to satisfy their needs about news, pictures ,videos , betas and have no patience. As a small company it is difficult to satisfy needs of masses.Tho i give you some credit that information delivery and community could be handled in some smarter way.
esspiccly with no money spent before you try it Yeah, because as long as we don’t spend any money the developers should not be held accountable for there actions nor are we entitled to express are concerns or criticisms of there potentially dubious behavior, even thought we still don’t know anything specific at all about the financial preparations concerning this games launch. concerns , criticism yes. Lies, insults no. Repeatedly threads with missleading and unfair subjects every other hour would be considered mobbing and stalking in real life. This is not addressed to you personally, i mean other "readers" of this site. You can check their forum handle if you just go through first pages and read thread topics and check poster names. And because no one spend money the "degree of hate" here is not justified. I mean its not like the developers have said one thing and then done another at any time over the years is it?
If this developer behavior was persistant then you can easily provide a link to to where "developers said one thing and then done another"
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no you have to be stupid to not believe them there is no point in lieing to us. Let me get this straight, I’m stupid if I don’t believe a developer who’s constantly failed to meet expectations or promises, multiple beta and release dates and has failed to provided any substantial evidence to back up the majority of there claims for over 7 years? please provide the link with official announced date of delivery. So many times have they said "oh, we're getting closer and closer. Saying that they were going for release each and every year. Yet, each year, there fails to be a beta, fails to even show some videos of how amazing they say this game is. They fail to show any evidence after 7 years, and they are being taken less serious by more people. Adventurine has "overstayed their welcome" if you will. But not only that I also have to be incapable of appreciating that there may of been a point to their lies in the past and that they might have a point to lie to us now and that there might be a point to any possible lies in the future.
what lies ? please provide link to example of such a"lie" you talking about. Read above. Finally I feel I am becoming able to understand the psyche of the Darkfall supporter. can you explain further what you think about the "psyche of DarkFall supporter" ? yes.
it would ruin them. I think you’ll find that it already has ruined them in the eyes of the majority, lets hope this time they have not cried wolf one to many times. People nowadays are voyeuristic and support paparazzi behavior when it comes to satisfy their needs about news, pictures ,videos , betas and have no patience. As a small company it is difficult to satisfy needs of masses.Tho i give you some credit that information delivery and community could be handled in some smarter way. Once again, patience is one thing, but when you falsely lead people each year into thinking that it will release, it is just not right. People know that it is hard as a small developing team, but it does not take away from that they are all talk and no walk. That they say all these great things after 7 YEARS and still are unable to rpove any of it.
esspiccly with no money spent before you try it Yeah, because as long as we don’t spend any money the developers should not be held accountable for there actions nor are we entitled to express are concerns or criticisms of there potentially dubious behavior, even thought we still don’t know anything specific at all about the financial preparations concerning this games launch. concerns , criticism yes. Lies, insults no. Repeatedly threads with missleading and unfair subjects every other hour would be considered mobbing and stalking in real life. This is not addressed to you personally, i mean other "readers" of this site. You can check their forum handle if you just go through first pages and read thread topics and check poster names. And because no one spend money the "degree of hate" here is not justified. But it is. When you lead on a community like they have, people have a right to be mad. We are the subscribers, and wether they like it or not, we will be the ones paying food on their table, so we have a right to vent our hate. I mean its not like the developers have said one thing and then done another at any time over the years is it?
If this developer behavior was persistant then you can easily provide a link to to where "developers said one thing and then done another" They are handing this terribly. They are all talk and no walk.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
no you have to be stupid to not believe them there is no point in lieing to us. Let me get this straight, I’m stupid if I don’t believe a developer who’s constantly failed to meet expectations or promises, multiple beta and release dates and has failed to provided any substantial evidence to back up the majority of there claims for over 7 years? please provide the link with official announced date of delivery. So many times have they said "oh, we're getting closer and closer. Saying that they were going for release each and every year. Yet, each year, there fails to be a beta, fails to even show some videos of how amazing they say this game is. They fail to show any evidence after 7 years, and they are being taken less serious by more people. They do 2 weekly journals, they release video and Q&A 's, so what you satisfy as evidence ? a published game ? well it requires time to develop and publish the game. mentioning 7 years is unfair considering 5 years ago, management and company changed. Where is the link to official announced date of delivery ? Adventurine has "overstayed their welcome" if you will. Well you still here "welcoming" then and missed to move on.. But not only that I also have to be incapable of appreciating that there may of been a point to their lies in the past and that they might have a point to lie to us now and that there might be a point to any possible lies in the future.
what lies ? please provide link to example of such a"lie" you talking about. Read above. I know what a lie is and as swg vet i can give you at every given time a list of lies $OE thrown towards the playerbase. i just request one lie. Finally I feel I am becoming able to understand the psyche of the Darkfall supporter. can you explain further what you think about the "psyche of DarkFall supporter" ? yes. go on please..explain...
it would ruin them. I think you’ll find that it already has ruined them in the eyes of the majority, lets hope this time they have not cried wolf one to many times. People nowadays are voyeuristic and support paparazzi behavior when it comes to satisfy their needs about news, pictures ,videos , betas and have no patience. As a small company it is difficult to satisfy needs of masses.Tho i give you some credit that information delivery and community could be handled in some smarter way. Once again, patience is one thing, but when you falsely lead people each year into thinking that it will release, it is just not right. Again no official date of delivery just possible delivery. People know that it is hard as a small developing team, but it does not take away from that they are all talk and no walk. That they say all these great things after 7 YEARS and still are unable to rpove any of it. Well published pictures and videos shows progress. Frequency and tone of journals going more specific. In the 5! (not 7) years i personally notice progress ..
esspiccly with no money spent before you try it Yeah, because as long as we don’t spend any money the developers should not be held accountable for there actions nor are we entitled to express are concerns or criticisms of there potentially dubious behavior, even thought we still don’t know anything specific at all about the financial preparations concerning this games launch. concerns , criticism yes. Lies, insults no. Repeatedly threads with missleading and unfair subjects every other hour would be considered mobbing and stalking in real life. This is not addressed to you personally, i mean other "readers" of this site. You can check their forum handle if you just go through first pages and read thread topics and check poster names. And because no one spend money the "degree of hate" here is not justified. But it is. When you lead on a community like they have, people have a right to be mad. We are the subscribers, and wether they like it or not, we will be the ones paying food on their table, so we have a right to vent our hate. Like i said Aventurine may have handled information delivery and community not very well but they have not lied, insulted or took someones money till now. I mean its not like the developers have said one thing and then done another at any time over the years is it?
If this developer behavior was persistant then you can easily provide a link to to where "developers said one thing and then done another" They are handing this terribly. They are all talk and no walk. Can notice progress been done. Who does not wish this progress could be done way more faster.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Let me get this straight, I’m stupid if I don’t believe a developer who’s constantly failed to meet expectations or promises, multiple beta and release dates and has failed to provided any substantial evidence to back up the majority of there claims for over 7 years?
please provide the link with official announced date of delivery.
So many times have they said "oh, we're getting closer and closer. Saying that they were going for release each and every year. Yet, each year, there fails to be a beta, fails to even show some videos of how amazing they say this game is. They fail to show any evidence after 7 years, and they are being taken less serious by more people.
They do 2 weekly journals, they release video and Q&A 's, so what you satisfy as evidence ? a published game ? well it requires time to develop and publish the game. mentioning 7 years is unfair considering 5 years ago, management and company changed.
Where is the link to official announced date of delivery ?
You are extremely closed minded, aren't you? The fact is that they just keep saying they are getting closer and closer, yet no evidence has been shown whatsoever.
As for evidence/.... Have you seen any videos showing this great PVP? no. Anything showing the oversea battles? The list just goes on and on. Hell, we have only seen one video with actual combat.
Also, you seriously think that the dev journals mean a lot? They are extremely bland, and each week goes by where they fail to show this "truely amazing" game.
Adventurine has "overstayed their welcome" if you will.
Well you still here "welcoming" then and missed to move on..
But not only that I also have to be incapable of appreciating that there may of been a point to their lies in the past and that they might have a point to lie to us now and that there might be a point to any possible lies in the future.
what lies ? please provide link to example of such a"lie" you talking about.
Read above.
I know what a lie is and as swg vet i can give you at every given time a list of lies $OE thrown towards the playerbase. i just request one lie.
Just read. can't you see how they lead people on to think that it will release this year, yet each year comes out with nothing.
Finally I feel I am becoming able to understand the psyche of the Darkfall supporter.
can you explain further what you think about the "psyche of DarkFall supporter" ?
yes.
go on please..explain...
That somehow after all these years people still take what these guys say seriously.
it would ruin them.
I think you’ll find that it already has ruined them in the eyes of the majority, lets hope this time they have not cried wolf one to many times.
People nowadays are voyeuristic and support paparazzi behavior when it comes to satisfy their needs about news, pictures ,videos , betas and have no patience. As a small company it is difficult to satisfy needs of masses.Tho i give you some credit that information delivery and community could be handled in some smarter way.
Once again, patience is one thing, but when you falsely lead people each year into thinking that it will release, it is just not right.
Again no official date of delivery just possible delivery.
Again, read above.
People know that it is hard as a small developing team, but it does not take away from that they are all talk and no walk. That they say all these great things after 7 YEARS and still are unable to rpove any of it.
Well published pictures and videos shows progress. Frequency and tone of journals going more specific. In the 5! (not 7) years i personally notice progress ..
Really? Becuase all I have seen is words, mostly coming from Tasos' ass. Actually, all of them are coming from there....interesting..
esspiccly with no money spent before you try it
Yeah, because as long as we don’t spend any money the developers should not be held accountable for there actions nor are we entitled to express are concerns or criticisms of there potentially dubious behavior, even thought we still don’t know anything specific at all about the financial preparations concerning this games launch.
concerns , criticism yes. Lies, insults no. Repeatedly threads with missleading and unfair subjects every other hour would be considered mobbing and stalking in real life. This is not addressed to you personally, i mean other "readers" of this site. You can check their forum handle if you just go through first pages and read thread topics and check poster names.
And because no one spend money the "degree of hate" here is not justified.
But it is. When you lead on a community like they have, people have a right to be mad. We are the subscribers, and wether they like it or not, we will be the ones paying food on their table, so we have a right to vent our hate.
Like i said Aventurine may have handled information delivery and community not very well but they have not lied, insulted or took someones money till now.
Read above..
I mean its not like the developers have said one thing and then done another at any time over the years is it?
If this developer behavior was persistant then you can easily provide a link to to where "developers said one thing and then done another"
They are handing this terribly. They are all talk and no walk.
Can notice progress been done. Who does not wish this progress could be done way more faster.
We really have no way to know that progress is being done. We have no proof. If they were in early development, that would be one thing. But they are not. Thney are nearing release.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
Bahaha, dude I'm sorry if you believe that but that is a load of bull.
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
- - "What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?" - -
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
Don't think that many of the poster here are willing to help DF. Really i have this impression that majority here hates DF. According to the amount of people who even don't believe DF is current in development there aren't many people here really who want to even play the game or wishing to be the "future customer".
You maybe have a better chance of your opinions being heard over at official forums.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
Or maybe just a vast improvemnt on the norm. The game is feature complete if you believe what they say they are relativley happy with the stability. Two weeks for stress tests to back up the work they have done and away they go...
They don't need your'e input here over at the main forumns maybe where it is a lot more constructive but not here.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
Don't think that many of the poster here are willing to help DF. Really i have this impression that majority here hates DF. According to the amount of people who even don't believe DF is current in development there aren't many people here really who want to even play the game or wishing to be the "future customer".
You maybe have a better chance of your opinions being heard over at official forums.
We are not the majority of the community. The people at the Darkfall forums are.. I highly doubt they are listened to as well.
Developer interaction with the community extremely important, especially for a game in development.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
They don't need your opinion at all. Feature complete baring a few tweaks they will die or succeed by their vision.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Yep, Razorwax (4) moved to Greece and JOINED Aventurine (20+). How many thay are today, we dont know. I would guess around 50 developers+ pro testers. That isnt bad for a first MMO : ) Maybe they will have 300 developers in the future to?
The main problem here is that Aventurin's market is :Aerospace, Space, Defence, Aviation.
Second problem I have with darkfall development is what is the game made in java will we get something like dofus ( flash). Their requirements for programmer are:
Overview:
Aventurine S.A. is looking for a senior game logic programmer for our highly anticipated MMORPG Darkfall Online.(www.darkfallonline.com)
The position requires you to implement gameplay features and system features in Java.
I dont know since 2006 I became very skeptic about everything regarding darkfall as in almost 8 years i belive we should see something more then few screenshots and rendered gameplay.
p.s. I wish Iam wrong.
It's easy to tell you aren't a programmer, or you would not of made such a statement. They built the Darkfall engine from scratch. I'd say for the most part the engine was made using C++, They are just using java as a gamescript. Both java, and C++ are Object oriented languages. Dofus being made with java has little to do with the resulting gameplay mechanics of Dofus, and certainly has nothing to do with Darkfall. Java is a language you can use to tell the computer how to arrange the game content, and there are way more languages other than Java that can do the same job.
Second problem I have with darkfall development is what is the game made in java will we get something like dofus ( flash). Their requirements for programmer are:
Overview:
Aventurine S.A. is looking for a senior game logic programmer for our highly anticipated MMORPG Darkfall Online.(www.darkfallonline.com)
The position requires you to implement gameplay features and system features in Java.
I dont know since 2006 I became very skeptic about everything regarding darkfall as in almost 8 years i belive we should see something more then few screenshots and rendered gameplay.
p.s. I wish Iam wrong.
It's easy to tell you aren't a programmer, or you would not of made such a statement. They built the Darkfall engine from scratch. I'd say for the most part the engine was made using C++, They are just using java as a gamescript. Both java, and C++ are Object oriented languages. Dofus being made with java has little to do with the resulting gameplay mechanics of Dofus, and certainly has nothing to do with Darkfall. Java is a language you can use to tell the computer how to arrange the game content, and there are way more languages other than Java that can do the same job.
There is a difference to where java is being used too in terms of client or server side.
DArkfall is not like your average game; World of Warcraft, Warhammer or Age of Conan. They are actually using pro testers to beta test the game, and Tasos is a pro devs, his team are the best of the world, game is so good they dont need our opinion.
I'm a programmer. I do business/accounting stuff - nothing too hard. I'm also a supervisor, and I see newbie programmers make the same mistake over and over again (until they learn better). The mistake is: they think they can design something, test it for a little bit, and throw it out to production. Inevitably, the program will blow up due to something the programmer didn't foresee. Programs must be extensively tested under varied conditions before the programmer can feel confident.
I couldn't help but think of this when I saw Darkfall would be in beta for just "a few weeks" before release....
Discuss.
Again lame and inaccurate. Game has been in closed beta for years... if the game is complete and tested two weeks of stress testing may be all they think they need. It is their game and investment. They have no need to take advice from a troll on an unoficial forum.
Research.
For any fans who have an interest in Darkfall and not just the troll post have a look at the link below.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
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Another quality Darkfall post, this one certainly delivers in the sh*t’s and giggles department like so many others, I’d like to thank especially Kairarr and weg886 (don’t you guys ever change for nobody).
OP after 8 years of people attempting to highlight the bleeding obvious it certainly does seems futile to continue to do so but never the less keep up the good work, still many months till the end of the year.
The most complicated and ambitious MMO with the largest feature list in the history of the industry is apparently only going to require a public beta test of a few weeks duration?
I certainly find that extremely difficult to believe, nevertheless whether this game is the greatest MMO ever released or the greatest MMO failure I’m guaranteed priceless entertainment either way.
The main problem here is that Aventurin's market is :Aerospace, Space, Defence, Aviation.
Source: http://www.asdsource.com/source_detail_small/2882/Aventurine_SA.htm
As well they are still active there: http://www.defendoryinternational.gr/2006_list.htm
Second problem I have with darkfall development is what is the game made in java will we get something like dofus ( flash). Their requirements for programmer are:
Overview:
Aventurine S.A. is looking for a senior game logic programmer for our highly anticipated MMORPG Darkfall Online.(www.darkfallonline.com)
The position requires you to implement gameplay features and system features in Java.
Source: http://www.aventurine.gr/jobs.html
I dont know since 2006 I became very skeptic about everything regarding darkfall as in almost 8 years i belive we should see something more then few screenshots and rendered gameplay.
p.s. I wish Iam wrong.
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Well, if they dont get a relatively large number of players testing this game 6mos+ before release, I figure it will have plenty of holes in it - especially when it comes to balance, exploits, and those really nasty bugs. /shrug
This quote from their Dev journal #25 has me wondering and still questioning the future:
"Something that Darkfall has that other games may lack during testing is help from the AI. In Darkfall the game doesn't really distinguish between a player and the AI. The AI are bots actually living their life and skilling up within the game. The AI has been helping us test a large part of the game almost as if players were in it."
a LARGE part he says....hmmm makes me wonder how many players are actually testing the game...or if there are testers at all. it almost seems as if the AI is acting as the "testers" which could explain a large number of things ive been questioning over the last couple years.
hmm this is probably one of the best fanboi posts I ever saw.
Keep up the good work.
Keep in mind AoC have those so called pro testers aka QA team and close beta is running since April 2007, compared to dark fall they have maybe 20% of features and I dont see that beta running "almost perfect"
Just on the side note: Funcom 300 employees, DF = 4 guys moved from Norway to Greece.
p.s. Dont get me wrong Iam DF fan and I really wish the game is released but man posting such nonsense is not good for anyone ( except trolls
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IK this is a troll taking the proverbial.... Or a poor attempt at sarcasm
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hmm this is probably one of the best fanboi posts I ever saw.
Keep up the good work.
Keep in mind AoC have those so called pro testers aka QA team and close beta is running since April 2007, compared to dark fall they have maybe 20% of features and I dont see that beta running "almost perfect"
Just on the side note: Funcom 300 employees, DF = 4 guys moved from Norway to Greece.
p.s. Dont get me wrong Iam DF fan and I really wish the game is released but man posting such nonsense is not good for anyone ( except trolls
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IK this is a troll taking the proverbial.... Or a poor attempt at sarcasm
yep there making bull.. claims because they run out of things to say heh its actully pretty lame
If your talking about the developer updates then I'm sure many people would certainly agree with you.
no you have to be stupid to not believe them there is no point in lieing to us. it would ruin them. esspiccly with no money spent before you try it
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Let me get this straight, I’m stupid if I don’t believe a developer who’s constantly failed to meet expectations or promises, multiple beta and release dates and has failed to provided any substantial evidence to back up the majority of there claims for over 7 years?
please provide the link with official announced date of delivery.
So many times have they said "oh, we're getting closer and closer. Saying that they were going for release each and every year. Yet, each year, there fails to be a beta, fails to even show some videos of how amazing they say this game is. They fail to show any evidence after 7 years, and they are being taken less serious by more people.
They do 2 weekly journals, they release video and Q&A 's, so what you satisfy as evidence ? a published game ? well it requires time to develop and publish the game. mentioning 7 years is unfair considering 5 years ago, management and company changed.
Where is the link to official announced date of delivery ?
You are extremely closed minded, aren't you? The fact is that they just keep saying they are getting closer and closer, yet no evidence has been shown whatsoever.
As for evidence/.... Have you seen any videos showing this great PVP? no. Anything showing the oversea battles? The list just goes on and on. Hell, we have only seen one video with actual combat.
Also, you seriously think that the dev journals mean a lot? They are extremely bland, and each week goes by where they fail to show this "truely amazing" game.
Adventurine has "overstayed their welcome" if you will.
Well you still here "welcoming" then and missed to move on..
But not only that I also have to be incapable of appreciating that there may of been a point to their lies in the past and that they might have a point to lie to us now and that there might be a point to any possible lies in the future.
what lies ? please provide link to example of such a"lie" you talking about.
Read above.
I know what a lie is and as swg vet i can give you at every given time a list of lies $OE thrown towards the playerbase. i just request one lie.
Just read. can't you see how they lead people on to think that it will release this year, yet each year comes out with nothing.
Finally I feel I am becoming able to understand the psyche of the Darkfall supporter.
can you explain further what you think about the "psyche of DarkFall supporter" ?
yes.
go on please..explain...
That somehow after all these years people still take what these guys say seriously.
it would ruin them.
I think you’ll find that it already has ruined them in the eyes of the majority, lets hope this time they have not cried wolf one to many times.
People nowadays are voyeuristic and support paparazzi behavior when it comes to satisfy their needs about news, pictures ,videos , betas and have no patience. As a small company it is difficult to satisfy needs of masses.Tho i give you some credit that information delivery and community could be handled in some smarter way.
Once again, patience is one thing, but when you falsely lead people each year into thinking that it will release, it is just not right.
Again no official date of delivery just possible delivery.
Again, read above.
People know that it is hard as a small developing team, but it does not take away from that they are all talk and no walk. That they say all these great things after 7 YEARS and still are unable to rpove any of it.
Well published pictures and videos shows progress. Frequency and tone of journals going more specific. In the 5! (not 7) years i personally notice progress ..
Really? Becuase all I have seen is words, mostly coming from Tasos' ass. Actually, all of them are coming from there....interesting..
esspiccly with no money spent before you try it
Yeah, because as long as we don’t spend any money the developers should not be held accountable for there actions nor are we entitled to express are concerns or criticisms of there potentially dubious behavior, even thought we still don’t know anything specific at all about the financial preparations concerning this games launch.
concerns , criticism yes. Lies, insults no. Repeatedly threads with missleading and unfair subjects every other hour would be considered mobbing and stalking in real life. This is not addressed to you personally, i mean other "readers" of this site. You can check their forum handle if you just go through first pages and read thread topics and check poster names.
And because no one spend money the "degree of hate" here is not justified.
But it is. When you lead on a community like they have, people have a right to be mad. We are the subscribers, and wether they like it or not, we will be the ones paying food on their table, so we have a right to vent our hate.
Like i said Aventurine may have handled information delivery and community not very well but they have not lied, insulted or took someones money till now.
Read above..
I mean its not like the developers have said one thing and then done another at any time over the years is it?
If this developer behavior was persistant then you can easily provide a link to to where "developers said one thing and then done another"
They are handing this terribly. They are all talk and no walk.
Can notice progress been done. Who does not wish this progress could be done way more faster.
We really have no way to know that progress is being done. We have no proof. If they were in early development, that would be one thing. But they are not. Thney are nearing release.
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Bahaha, dude I'm sorry if you believe that but that is a load of bull.
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Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
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Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
Don't think that many of the poster here are willing to help DF. Really i have this impression that majority here hates DF. According to the amount of people who even don't believe DF is current in development there aren't many people here really who want to even play the game or wishing to be the "future customer".
You maybe have a better chance of your opinions being heard over at official forums.
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
Or maybe just a vast improvemnt on the norm. The game is feature complete if you believe what they say they are relativley happy with the stability. Two weeks for stress tests to back up the work they have done and away they go...They don't need your'e input here over at the main forumns maybe where it is a lot more constructive but not here.
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Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
Don't think that many of the poster here are willing to help DF. Really i have this impression that majority here hates DF. According to the amount of people who even don't believe DF is current in development there aren't many people here really who want to even play the game or wishing to be the "future customer".
You maybe have a better chance of your opinions being heard over at official forums.
We are not the majority of the community. The people at the Darkfall forums are.. I highly doubt they are listened to as well.
Developer interaction with the community extremely important, especially for a game in development.
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Actually they really do need our opinions and input. We're going to be the people playing the game after all.
Besides, it would take a limited number of "pro testers" a lifetime to test all the aspects a game that is as vast as an MMO. Thats something that takes a large amount of people to do. And even with a large amount of people you still need quite a bit of time.
I'm sure if they don't have a nice lengthy public beta or even just an invitation only beta, then you can bet there will be a huge amount of holes in the game. Not to mention poor performance on many machines. I really hope they don't think they can release an MMO without the help of the people who will be playing it. That could end in disaster.
They don't need your opinion at all. Feature complete baring a few tweaks they will die or succeed by their vision.
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The main problem here is that Aventurin's market is :Aerospace, Space, Defence, Aviation.
Source: http://www.asdsource.com/source_detail_small/2882/Aventurine_SA.htm
As well they are still active there: http://www.defendoryinternational.gr/2006_list.htm
Second problem I have with darkfall development is what is the game made in java will we get something like dofus ( flash). Their requirements for programmer are:
Overview:
Aventurine S.A. is looking for a senior game logic programmer for our highly anticipated MMORPG Darkfall Online.(www.darkfallonline.com)
The position requires you to implement gameplay features and system features in Java.
Source: http://www.aventurine.gr/jobs.html
I dont know since 2006 I became very skeptic about everything regarding darkfall as in almost 8 years i belive we should see something more then few screenshots and rendered gameplay.
p.s. I wish Iam wrong.
It's easy to tell you aren't a programmer, or you would not of made such a statement. They built the Darkfall engine from scratch. I'd say for the most part the engine was made using C++, They are just using java as a gamescript. Both java, and C++ are Object oriented languages. Dofus being made with java has little to do with the resulting gameplay mechanics of Dofus, and certainly has nothing to do with Darkfall. Java is a language you can use to tell the computer how to arrange the game content, and there are way more languages other than Java that can do the same job.
It's easy to tell you aren't a programmer, or you would not of made such a statement. They built the Darkfall engine from scratch. I'd say for the most part the engine was made using C++, They are just using java as a gamescript. Both java, and C++ are Object oriented languages. Dofus being made with java has little to do with the resulting gameplay mechanics of Dofus, and certainly has nothing to do with Darkfall. Java is a language you can use to tell the computer how to arrange the game content, and there are way more languages other than Java that can do the same job.
There is a difference to where java is being used too in terms of client or server side.
hahaha good one.
Research.
For any fans who have an interest in Darkfall and not just the troll post have a look at the link below.
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