Complainers and whiners are a vocal minority

fervor · May 2008

It only takes one whiner to create a long heated thread. Just a handful of whiners can practically overtake an entire forum with their trolling.

Most of the whining is often entirely incorrect or statements/predictions based on opinion and sketchy evidence.

It's entirely possible that some of them are paid or unpaid shills that are trying to create negative publicity during the crucial launch period.

Don't make any decisions based on what you read in forums from completely anonymous people. Try to make informed decisions based on sources you have found reliable in the past.

Douhk · May 2008

shill appears to be a popular word among these forums...

these posts are really just as bad. Trying to say nobody is aloud to have a certain outlook on the game is kind of ridiculous and not something to worry yourself with. If you enjoy the game, play it. Most knowledgeable people are ignoring the biased answers from both sides of this nonsense. Yeah, people really shouldn't be taking much "advice" from these forums. But that goes for both sides of the argument.

Ascension08 · May 2008

Originally posted by fervor

It only takes one whiner to create a long heated thread. Just a handful of whiners can practically overtake an entire forum with their trolling.
Most of the whining is often entirely incorrect or statements/predictions based on opinion and sketchy evidence.
It's entirely possible that some of them are paid or unpaid shills that are trying to create negative publicity during the crucial launch period.
Don't make any decisions based on what you read in forums from completely anonymous people. Try to make informed decisions based on sources you have found reliable in the past.

First, if you don't like them don't fuel them. IGNORE THEM.

Second, don't flame the reasonable people who actually dislike the game for their own reasons, labeling them as trolls. If they want to share their opinion, you can agree or disagree, but when you start insulting them then it gets out of hand. If they aren't 100% educated, correct them in a logical, well-mannered way. Not "read before you post stupid troll!".

Third, your last sentence is right. But assuming they're paid to stir up bad hype before the launch? Lol, I s'pose it's possible, but really. Come on.

miagisan · May 2008

really? wow....when's my paycheck supposed to get here?

Devalon · May 2008

You got to also keep in mind that there people who didnt complain on the foums but took action.

TurnX · May 2008

Originally posted by fervor

It only takes one whiner to create a long heated thread. Just a handful of whiners can practically overtake an entire forum with their trolling.
Most of the whining is often entirely incorrect or statements/predictions based on opinion and sketchy evidence.
It's entirely possible that some of them are paid or unpaid shills that are trying to create negative publicity during the crucial launch period.
Don't make any decisions based on what you read in forums from completely anonymous people. Try to make informed decisions based on sources you have found reliable in the past.

Its funny how you label people complainers/whiners when thats exactly what your doing. There will always be people who dislike a game and complain openly about, and there are those who dislike a game and say nothing and just don't buy it. Thats also true about people who like a game. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about a game, and your opinion is no more right than theres.

On a seperate note, a lot of the "complainers/whiners" on this forum actually make valid points, and generally its the fanbois, such as yourself, who turn it into a "flame" war.

khartman2005 · May 2008

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Well, I understand what he is saying. These same few individuals post nothing but lies. Total opposites from what I have read officially and played in beta.
If you look at the past posts that these few individuals make, they are ALL about AoC. Like as if they spend their day writing threads to bash the game.They are all fans of other games or pissed because their computer sucks. That's it. Nothing more.
No matter what they try to say or "warn others" about, they can't deny the fact that the early access passes are SOLD OUT and that has to mean something at least. They can't stop this train from coming. There is going to be a very large playerbase.
The "haters" (liars) are fans of:
WAR
WOW
DF
LotR
I don't know about anyone else but I don't expect AoC to "steal" subs from their game enough to make it a gamebreaking issue for them. I am perfectly happy with a normal 200K subs like every game that has came out in the past, except WoW of course. 200K subs is a successful number, always has been.
Are they worried everyone will leave their game?
Are they ashamed of the game they are fans of?
We could easily turn the tables on them. I mean look at that list.
Is it EXACTLY the game that I want? No. However, I have a lot of fun in beta. I didn't lie to myself and pretend that my computer was good enough either. I prepared.
I swear when they make threads its about a totally different game than what I played.

I am in LotRO (founder lifetime account actually, I WILL be buying AoC and playing it alongside LotRO. I find them both to be great games in their own rights.

fervor · May 2008

I don't see how my original post was a complaint or a whine. Look up the definition of complain or whine before using it.

I just wanted to inject a small voice of reason in the mass of senseless negative threads filling this forum.

It's a game. It's supposed to be entertainment. Some people need to calm down and remember that there are more important things in the world to be angry about.

Khalev · May 2008

Originally posted by TurnX

Originally posted by fervor

It only takes one whiner to create a long heated thread. Just a handful of whiners can practically overtake an entire forum with their trolling.
Most of the whining is often entirely incorrect or statements/predictions based on opinion and sketchy evidence.
It's entirely possible that some of them are paid or unpaid shills that are trying to create negative publicity during the crucial launch period.
Don't make any decisions based on what you read in forums from completely anonymous people. Try to make informed decisions based on sources you have found reliable in the past.

Its funny how you label people complainers/whiners when thats exactly what your doing. There will always be people who dislike a game and complain openly about, and there are those who dislike a game and say nothing and just don't buy it. Thats also true about people who like a game. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about a game, and your opinion is no more right than theres.

On a seperate note, a lot of the "complainers/whiners" on this forum actually make valid points, and generally its the fanbois, such as yourself, who turn it into a "flame" war.

Jerriescids · May 2008

I don't like to start flaming threads, I like to take little stabs here and there.. Honestly though the only reason I ever make comments on this forums is when I'm trying to help.. I'm not going to sit here and tell you how horrible my game experience was, if you want to throw down for a copy.. I understand.. I feel like a fish out of water right now.. (No water = No MMORPG).. I'm flapping around jumping into every cup and wet napkin (vanguard/etc) that comes my way.. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you I told you so.. Thats not why I'm here.. I'm here because I want a quality MMORPG experience..

Stuka1000 · May 2008

Actually I find the fanbois for AoC a lot worse than the haters. Even if someone genuinely posts a valid concern or complaint they are instantly jumped upon by the AoC is god crowd. The official forums are worse. The level of immaturity over there is appaling for what is supposed to be an M rated game. I just hope that it doesn't continue on into the in-game community.

Blurr · May 2008

So if I'm not whining or complaining, but I still think the game is garbage, what does that make me?

gamedever · May 2008

A man with a valid opinion.

Delanor · May 2008

Originally posted by fervor

I just wanted to inject a small voice of reason in the mass of senseless negative threads filling this forum.

Fair, but I think it failed.

Azure77 · May 2008

when you give away anything for free , or offer it to the public , you get a voical majority of people who complain or dislike the service, item or whatever. Most companies , grow and learn from the experience its why they had the free give away to begin with.

Bad companies take the complaints , dislikes and etc , personal , react or in some cases over~react and cause a PR nightmare.

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The problem in Funcom's Conan , the whining / complaints / bad PR is coming from thier target source young teens. The young teen crowd doesnt exactly channel thier rage into constructive or even rational post. The entire problem is Funcom is dealing with 12 to 18 years , expecting them to react like rational human beings, which isnt going to happen. Instead of finding a way to turn this problem into solutation Funcom is over~reacting , and cause more of a problem.

Its the same thing that happen to Disney a while back , they targeted teens , then had backlash when they pointed out parents or guardians should be reading the fine print. They also used "slight of hand" with the Fileplanet Open Beta and the pre order, while most adults knew to read the fine print or get more information, the teens and younger folks didnt , they bought or had someone buy them a pre order / fileplanet slot only to find it wasnt worth the download.

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Dont even begin to tell me , Conan's marketing wasnt gear to teens. No adult , expect maybe Pedos , are interested in nipples and nudity , blood and gore. They ve gone out thier way to make the M content attract teens and young adults.

Your appeal isnt going to change anything , the people mmorpgs are targeted at sheep , they follow hype and public opines , like Clinton chases ugly fat women. Funcom has nobody but themselves to blame for the PR mess , and are handling it very badly.

Even worst is the blind devotion from the boards over at Funcom , its why we keep getting Vanguard type releases.

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And to close with reliable sources , are often thier friends or guild members. Funcom has effective poisoned the word of mouth with thier handling on this whole thing. I wouldnt be too surprised to see it suffer a big backlash next month.

ethion · May 2008

It's kinda scary the level of agressiveness fanbois for this game have. I mean I've seen people express and opinion that was somewhat negative only to be shouted down, called uninformed, unintelligent, lacking a valid experience to say anything negative about the game, etc.

I like seeing opinions on both sides because it gives you a better picture of the reality but people here are so diamatrically opposed and vocally viscious it's hard to get much of any valid info.

I think AoC has some great features, graphics, animations, quest dialogs.

But I think AoC has a lot of bugs, a gimicy combat system, and a lot of missing features.

Thats my opinion and it's a fact :P For other people reading it you can take it as one persons view. Someone that isn't a hater, I have a preorder, and someone that isn't a fanboi .

Will AoC succeed? I'd say thats still up in the air. Based on the number of bugs and game issues I've seen I think there is a possibility that the game will flop. A lot depends on how things work under load. In my experience things that don't work well in beta tend to not improve much at release and releases bring a number of unplanned and unexpected new problems.

I'm hoping it all works out but I'd never tell someone it's in the bag of that AoC is going to be a great game. I'd rather say it has some issues and it might be a good game if they can work the issues out before release.

People that a blind fans are just as bad as haters that want to drag the game down. neither of them are really credible.

khartman2005 · May 2008

Originally posted by Azure77

   when you give away anything for free , or offer it to the public , you get a voical majority of people who complain or dislike the service, item or whatever. Most companies , grow and learn from the experience its why they had the free give away to begin with.
     Bad companies take the complaints , dislikes and etc , personal , react or in some cases over~react and cause a PR nightmare.

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    The problem in Funcom's Conan , the whining / complaints / bad PR is coming from thier target source young teens. The young teen crowd doesnt exactly channel thier rage into constructive or even rational post. The entire problem is Funcom is dealing with 12 to 18 years , expecting them to react like rational human beings, which isnt going to happen. Instead of finding a way to turn this problem into solutation Funcom is over~reacting , and cause more of a problem.
        Its the same thing that happen to Disney a while back , they targeted teens , then had backlash when they pointed out parents or guardians should be reading the fine print. They also used "slight of hand" with the Fileplanet Open Beta and the pre order, while most adults knew to read the fine print or get more information, the teens and younger folks didnt , they bought or had someone buy them a pre order / fileplanet slot only to find it wasnt worth the download.

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      Dont even begin to tell me , Conan's marketing wasnt gear to teens. No adult , expect maybe Pedos , are interested in nipples and nudity , blood and gore. They ve gone out thier way to make the M content attract teens and young adults.
    Your appeal isnt going to change anything , the people mmorpgs are targeted at sheep , they follow hype and public opines , like Clinton chases ugly fat women. Funcom has nobody but themselves to blame for the PR mess , and are handling it very badly.
      Even worst is the blind devotion from the boards over at Funcom , its why we keep getting Vanguard type releases.
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       And to close with reliable sources , are often thier friends or guild members. Funcom has effective poisoned the word of mouth with thier handling on this whole thing. I wouldnt be too surprised to see it suffer a big backlash next month.

LOL, their target audience is NOT 12 to 18 year old. The game is rated MATURE which is 18+ in most definitions.

boodis · May 2008

[MOD EDIT]

On topic: Usually I consider haters to be rather stupid as many simply hates a game 'cause it's in fashion to do so (like how this whole site loathes WoW just because it's WoW). However in AoC's case I really think the fainbois are a lot worse than "h8ters". As mentioned before anyone with a concern has been attacked, flamed, name called and just dismissed as a minor/having a bad computer/noob/all former.

To me it seems many people are so fed up with the lack of any quality in the MMO market, and since they cannot play That Other Game due to their own made up policies or because they're actually burned out on it, they really put all their eggs in the basket for AoC. Like certain individuals around here who've devoted their whole being to AoC long before they even played tested the game, I understand how you have to justify that devotion to yourself.

Tastywheat1 · May 2008

Originally posted by fervor

It only takes one whiner to create a long heated thread. Just a handful of whiners can practically overtake an entire forum with their trolling.
Most of the whining is often entirely incorrect or statements/predictions based on opinion and sketchy evidence.
It's entirely possible that some of them are paid or unpaid shills that are trying to create negative publicity during the crucial launch period.
Don't make any decisions based on what you read in forums from completely anonymous people. Try to make informed decisions based on sources you have found reliable in the past.

I hear what your saying but it seems if your passionate about your views or even try to encourage peeps to have true dialog about a subject then they will just say your a troll to. Its sad how forums have changed in such a short period of time. Used to be able to enjoy some great discussions. Guess those days are gone. Peace and Happiness.

Azure77 · May 2008

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Azure77

   when you give away anything for free , or offer it to the public , you get a voical majority of people who complain or dislike the service, item or whatever. Most companies , grow and learn from the experience its why they had the free give away to begin with.
     Bad companies take the complaints , dislikes and etc , personal , react or in some cases over~react and cause a PR nightmare.

-------------------------
    The problem in Funcom's Conan , the whining / complaints / bad PR is coming from thier target source young teens. The young teen crowd doesnt exactly channel thier rage into constructive or even rational post. The entire problem is Funcom is dealing with 12 to 18 years , expecting them to react like rational human beings, which isnt going to happen. Instead of finding a way to turn this problem into solutation Funcom is over~reacting , and cause more of a problem.
        Its the same thing that happen to Disney a while back , they targeted teens , then had backlash when they pointed out parents or guardians should be reading the fine print. They also used "slight of hand" with the Fileplanet Open Beta and the pre order, while most adults knew to read the fine print or get more information, the teens and younger folks didnt , they bought or had someone buy them a pre order / fileplanet slot only to find it wasnt worth the download.

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      Dont even begin to tell me , Conan's marketing wasnt gear to teens. No adult , expect maybe Pedos , are interested in nipples and nudity , blood and gore. They ve gone out thier way to make the M content attract teens and young adults.
    Your appeal isnt going to change anything , the people mmorpgs are targeted at sheep , they follow hype and public opines , like Clinton chases ugly fat women. Funcom has nobody but themselves to blame for the PR mess , and are handling it very badly.
      Even worst is the blind devotion from the boards over at Funcom , its why we keep getting Vanguard type releases.
----------------------------
       And to close with reliable sources , are often thier friends or guild members. Funcom has effective poisoned the word of mouth with thier handling on this whole thing. I wouldnt be too surprised to see it suffer a big backlash next month.

LOL, their target audience is NOT 12 to 18 year old. The game is rated MATURE which is 18+ in most definitions.

audience is 18 then why is there no protection on the website? Why is there no protection on the fileplanet download. The mature label does not make the game adult , much like GTA , M attracts kids 12 to 16. There is no enforcement of the M , or 17+, its gimmick to sale the game.

The develop blogs have focus on nipples , breast , and nudity. What mature gamer is interested in sex buffs , pee (ing) animation and nudity?

Agricola1 · May 2008

Originally posted by Azure77


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    The problem in Funcom's Conan , the whining / complaints / bad PR is coming from thier target source young teens. The young teen crowd doesnt exactly channel thier rage into constructive or even rational post. The entire problem is Funcom is dealing with 12 to 18 years , expecting them to react like rational human beings, which isnt going to happen. Instead of finding a way to turn this problem into solutation Funcom is over~reacting , and cause more of a problem.
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Even as a sad fanbois I must agree with this logic, they may not have targeted teens officialy as their customers as having a mature rating and doing so openly would be immoral. However you'd have to be a village idiot not to think this is going to appeal to teenage males just as much as anyone else.

When dealing with teenage boys that don't get their way, for the most part they go crying to their mummies and get very emotional about it. Funcom will just have to suck it up, unlike the teenage children (because all teens are still children) that have a temper tantrum whenever they don't get their way.

wizyy · May 2008

What I can't understand is why some people keep bashing on the game they haven't even tried.

They form opinions based on rumors, and even ENCOURAGE (yes, quoted) people to CANCEL THEIR PREORDERS?

They even dare to call us Closed Beta testers LIARS.

I never formed an opinion in my life on something I haven't experienced, and I believe that's also the case with the vast majority of SANE PEOPLE.

Vrika · May 2008

And it takes only a few fans lieing about the game to get people believe into it. Remember when there were huge discussions about open beta technical problems? There were dozens of fans, or at least it felt so, telling that closed beta had none of those technical issues. I was one of those who wanted to believe them. I want to get a new game to play, so I'm more eager to believe into Age of Conan being a good game than a bad game.

Then remember when fans announced that closed beta had a huge patch wich solved most of the bad technical issues? We had dozens of fans telling us how the performance that was bad previously had now miraculous improvement. Those same fans who were telling that closed beta didn't have any performance issues. They changed their story and admitted that there were performance issues in closed beta before that patch, because otherwise they couldn't have preached us about a new miracle patch on closed beta.

We were directly lied by the fans back then. We're most likely directly lied by the fans even now on many of the things. There is even a screenshot of AoC manual posted on these forums stating that maxium siege size in AoC is 96 people (48 on each side). And there are fans on the forums who are speculating that there might be printing error on the manual, and fans who were speculation that only the efforts of 48 from each side would be counted to final score but more would be allowed to the actual raids.

Fans don't want to believe anything bad about their game, nor admit anything bad about their game. They use any explanation they can find to explain how everything in the game is good and will turn into even better, and every problem is either downplayed or most likely we get told that it's a problem only with the beta.

And when the fans can't deny the problems any more, they often attack those who raise conserns of the game. They beging to form own group of fans where they can conveniently live in their illusion, and demand for everyone who has diffirent opinions about the game to be removed from their forums. That happened when Vanguard was in beta (maybe not on these forums, but on many of the fansites and as far as I know also in official beta program), if you remember.

wizyy · May 2008

Originally posted by Vrika

And it takes only a few fans lieing about the game to get people believe into it. Remember when there were huge discussions about open beta technical problems? There were dozens of fans, or at least it felt so, telling that closed beta had none of those technical issues. I was one of those who wanted to believe. I want to get a new game to play, so I'm more eager to believe into Age of Conan being a good game than a bad game.

Then remember when fans announced that closed beta had a huge patch wich solved most of the bad technical issues? We had dozens of fans telling us how the performance that was bad previously had now miraculous improvement. Those same fans who were telling that open beta didn't have any performance issues before.

We were directly lied by the fans back then. We're most likely directly lied by the fans even now on many of the things. There is even a screenshot of Funcom manual posted on here stating that maxium siege size in AoC is 96 people (48 on each side). And there are fans on the forums who are speculating that there might be printing error on the manual, and fans who were speculation that only the efforts of 48 from each side would be counted to final score but more would be allowed to the actual raids.

Fans don't want to believe anything bad about their game, nor admit anything bad about their game. They use any explanation they can find to explain how everything in the game is good and will turn into even better, and every problem is either downplayed or most likely we get told that it's a problem only with the beta.

And when the fans can't deny the problems any more, they often attack those who raise conserns of the game. They being to form own group of fans where they can conveniently live in their illusion, and demand for everyone who has diffirent opinions about the game to be removed from their forums. That happened when Vanguard was in beta, if you remember.

*Sigh*...

HELLO AGAIN, calling me a LIAR? Mate, there were technical issues in open beta AND in closed beta, to the point of me not wanting to log in, but TO ME they VANISHED in the "miracle" patch. Still, I can't say that ALL problems are gone for EVERY USER.

There are many configurations, great many video cards, shader and OLD DRIVER problems, problems with people experimenting with different driver settings even though they have no clue what they do, and so on... Some people will ALWAYS HAVE PROBLEMS IN ANY FREAKING PC GAME just because they have no clue what they are doing.

I don't have any problems with closed beta at the moment, enjoying every moment of it (currently at work so I cannot ) even though I know some people HAVE THEM. So don't generalize everything and call every person a LIAR. Sheesh.

fantaros · May 2008

Originally posted by fervor

It only takes one whiner to create a long heated thread. Just a handful of whiners can practically overtake an entire forum with their trolling.
Most of the whining is often entirely incorrect or statements/predictions based on opinion and sketchy evidence.
It's entirely possible that some of them are paid or unpaid shills that are trying to create negative publicity during the crucial launch period.
Don't make any decisions based on what you read in forums from completely anonymous people. Try to make informed decisions based on sources you have found reliable in the past.

I guess u did some market research. Can we see the result charts? how many people were in the survey? please post some results. I mean this forum has been crying for FACTS and u sir apparently have none. U are no better than those whiners and complainers u are talking about.

Can i start a thread saying that satisfied customers are a vocal minority paid from funcom? I ll just replace the word whiner with fanboi in your original post....

Slampig · May 2008

My big question...do any of you beta TEST the game? All of the beta test's I have ever been a part of, I was invited to find bugs and such, to try and make the game better for launch.

When did the beta test become what it is now, at least on these forums. I don't see anyone actually testing, just seems like all these clowns are in the beta thinking it is a free preview of the game to be release.

Anyway...

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