Hi, i am new to this forum. By reading all this thread, i found how much immature is peope writing here, starting from _Pix_.
You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest. You are using this forum to damage reputation of a company, Mr _Pix_, and this is something i do not tolerate. I think that speaking publicly about you enemy during a trial you are involved on, BEFORE AND AFTER the final judjement of a court is morally incorrect, immature, and wrong. Because the next time you are involved in a lawsuit, you may be in the OTHER side and lose.
The trial is carried on inside the rooms of the french tribunals, NOT in a gaming forum. I see many people in this forum which openly HOPES for Farlan to lose the legal battle. Well, maybe this people have never been involved in a real-world trial. Maybe you have never lost a trial, and i hope it will never happen in your life, because it's a very bad thing (especially if you are innocent - it happens more often than what you think).
I have played dark and light for many time, and i have the RIGHT to say it is a good game. I don't have to explain why i like it, i like it - full stop. I do not understand WHY many people here hopes for the game to quit: what is your interest? what do YOU earn if DnL quits? Will you receive money from VWORLD? Of course, _Pix_ will be very happy (and will earn tons of money), but we players will not earn a cent. Those that play DnL will lose their free game. And the other players will lose a "free bad game", and will not earn a "new good game". Well, i am on the side of the players, not of _Pix_, neither of Farlan. REPEAT: i am on the side of MMORPG players.
You see, Mr _Pix_, you have found some free citizen, a free indipendent European which is not on your side. Will you issue a writ against me? Will you say that i am a psycopathic? i can give you my real address if you want.
Dwerk, you say you are on the side of the mmorpg player.
I am a mmorgp player. I am also still have an account on DNL.
Again, you say you are on the side of the player. It is the PLAYERS that forced the issue of the illegal acts of Farlan/DNL on this board. Mr. _Pix_ brought out the truth --- for the most part forced to by the lies and the attempted discrediting of his own work and words. It was NOT Mr. _Pix_ that started it here --- IT WAS THE DNL PLAYERS! Mr. _Pix_ DEFENDED HIMSELF against the horrible lies that Farlan PROMOTED and ENCOURAGED (there is proof of that here in these boards)
It is the PLAYERS who were ripped off, lied to, deceived and played for fools by Farlan.
As a PLAYER, Farlan has hurt the MMORPG community the most! Lies, deceit, trickery, theft (those that were charged 2 and 3x) -as well as - those that were charged FULL PRICE for a game, *premium price*, and given only 10% of game!!
As a PLAYER, watching the horrible way in which Farlan treated us PLAYERS is inexcusable.
As a PLAYER, seeing the BLAME Farlan placed on the PLAYERS for the state of the game ( proof is in this forum --- placed here by PLAYERS who not only copied it word for word from the DNL boards but also provided a direct link to show the source).
As a PLAYER, when the BLAME on the PLAYERS p.o.'d a ton of people and didnt set so well with the mmo community, they turned around and BLAMED others, most notably, Mr. _Pix_.
As a PLAYER, the background and scenery is the BEST THING about DNL.
As a PLAYER, watching Farlan attempt to steal the tech AND claim OWNERSHIP of the BEST THING about DNL is sickening.
As a PLAYER, watching the lies and deceit Farlan produced being caught out continuously, shamelessly and with no remorse by Farlan, is inexcusable.
As a PLAYER, the actions of Farlan that continue in the mmo industry is disgusting.
As a PLAYER, NOT standing out AGAINST companies that wish to lie, deceive, blame, and RIP OFF the mmo player on a CONTINOUS basis is immoral, deceitful, and top of the line sleaze.
As a PLAYER, what Farlan has done to the mmo industry -- allowing the trust and expectations of the mmo player to be trampled upon, chewed up and spit back out like phlegm -- set this industry back 10 years. No longer is the average player allowing the belief in what a developer says, no longer is the "pre-order" quite the same as it was before DNL.
As a PLAYER, the small developer companies now have an even harder trek up the mountain of success of online gaming due to the explosive and destructive actions of Farlan, REGARDLESS of Mr._Pix)
IF you read the thread --- then you would have seen that a COURT OF LAW determined that VWORLD had NOT damaged the rep of Farlan.
Farlan has done that alllll by themselves.
Farlan has its place in the history books of the mmo industry -- the more they continue, the worse it gets. No amount of casting blame on others (Players, Click&Buy, _Pix_, hell, even the weather, sickness, transportation problems, you name it! Farlan has used it!) will shift the damage Farlan has done. No amount will shift the blame.
As a PLAYER, allowing for a company that has begun and continue to reside in the lowest of the low in their actions towards the gaming community, you should be fighting for decent playable games, the truth about the state of the game when marketing, the truth about the state of the game in the actual execution of the game (miracle patches?), honest and truthful developers who actually care about their players and fans.
If DNL did ONE thing for the community -- it was to make the average player EXPECT a playable game, EXPECT the truth in dealing with its fans, EXPECT the Dev to care about its players.
DNL and its continuing actions toward the player base, the mmo community is the REAL wolf here. Not Mr. _Pix_ ---- its the continuing LIE Farlan keeps trying but has ALREADY BEEN LAWFULLY CONVICTED for the things it attempted to BLAME OTHERS for.
Mr. _Pix_ has EVERY RIGHT to defend himself and his company against these sleazebags. It was them that started it, it will be Mr. _Pix_ that ends it.
As a PLAYER, you should be standing up for the mmo community as a whole and NOT support Devs and any other company that attempts what Farlan did and is doing to take hold of the mmo player and the gaming industry. Defending the outrageous, deceitful actions of Farlan only shows the ignorance that is still prevalent out there and Farlans singleminded quest to find those ignorant enough to buy into them.
Hi, i am new to this forum. By reading all this thread, i found how much immature is peope writing here, starting from _Pix_. You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest. You are using this forum to damage reputation of a company, Mr _Pix_, and this is something i do not tolerate. I think that speaking publicly about you enemy during a trial you are involved on, BEFORE AND AFTER the final judjement of a court is morally incorrect, immature, and wrong. Because the next time you are involved in a lawsuit, you may be in the OTHER side and lose. The trial is carried on inside the rooms of the french tribunals, NOT in a gaming forum. I see many people in this forum which openly HOPES for Farlan to lose the legal battle. Well, maybe this people have never been involved in a real-world trial. Maybe you have never lost a trial, and i hope it will never happen in your life, because it's a very bad thing (especially if you are innocent - it happens more often than what you think). I have played dark and light for many time, and i have the RIGHT to say it is a good game. I don't have to explain why i like it, i like it - full stop. I do not understand WHY many people here hopes for the game to quit: what is your interest? what do YOU earn if DnL quits? Will you receive money from VWORLD? Of course, _Pix_ will be very happy (and will earn tons of money), but we players will not earn a cent. Those that play DnL will lose their free game. And the other players will lose a "free bad game", and will not earn a "new good game". Well, i am on the side of the players, not of _Pix_, neither of Farlan. REPEAT: i am on the side of MMORPG players. You see, Mr _Pix_, you have found some free citizen, a free indipendent European which is not on your side. Will you issue a writ against me? Will you say that i am a psycopathic? i can give you my real address if you want. I hope the best of luck to you AND to dark&light.
First of all, FLAMING someone outright is morally incorrect, immature and wrong especially when you add ignorant statements behind it.
Public opinion does not hinder, hamper, encourage nor influence a court of law in this case. Public opinion in this case comes directly from the actions of Farlan. And the crapazz game they produced and still continue to try to convince people its a good game.
You are all for feeling sorry for Farlan, and that they have already been punished. What about Pix? Farlan has gone overboard in their relentless pursuit to damage Pix and his reputation. They drew first blood, not Pix. They did and still are attempting to lay claim of HIS technology. They promoted the game with the words "the biggest mmo you have ever seen"....thats Pix's technology, not theirs.
Farlan has already made lots of money in the money they STOLE from the players. Promising a game and giving only 10% of what they paid for. THOUSANDS of people refunded and Farlan even attempted to block their refunds! Before the people even received the game, Farlan attempted to block their money back! That didnt work either. When they tried to overbill , they blamed Click and Buy -- which instructions CAME FROM FARLAN!
Farlan is continuing to attempt to make money with Pix's technology ...and what of Pix? Is he not entitled to be paid for something he created and owns? Why shouldnt Pix be compensated for the damage Farlan attempted and was found GUILTY of doing themselves?
You play in the illegal sandbox, you are gonna get hurt. It shouldnt be the guy who is responsible for what the Devs use as a marketing tool and claim ownership illegally, even going so far as bringing it to a country where the laws supposedly wont touch them? Why didnt Farlan go to Europe? the US? or any other country that respects the creation and ownership of rights? -- One reason ---- to get away with they attempted to do. Simple.
And as far as speaking publicly about a trial you are involved in? What of the remarks and posts that Farlan themselves made??? What of the dastardly actions Farlan has done towards Pix? You arent looking at the whole picture -- in fact, you are doing exactly what Farlan wants.
The many who have ill feelings toward Farlan, especially the ones that do and continue to speak out against Farlan have in fact, EVERY RIGHT to. They are former TRUE LOYAL FANS, from YEARS BACK, that were lied to, decieved, manipulated, ripped off and insulted by Farlan. They more than ANYONE have the RIGHT to speak out and the OBLIGATION towards the gaming players to do so. You on the other hand, are doing just what you are flaming about.
Your soapbox preaching smacks of ignorance of this entire, yes, YEARS long episode of which you are obviously NOT an original player. Many of these people who continue here were BETA PLAYERS. Some still are active account holders. They saw the promises, they saw everything from DAY ONE and experienced it. YOu havent! You have NO RIGHT to speak AGAINST that which you so obvioulsy dont know the REAL STORY.
I agree with BadT. Feel sorry for Farlan. And make your smartazz remarks -- it only shows your ignorance.
Whoa Dudes! Let it go man. This is obviously someone who has posted here before and is just trying the old and tired ploy of blaming Pix for allllllll of Farlans troubles.
Let it go. Ignore posts like this. Trollers, posers and flamers is all they are.
yada yada yada yada don't voice your opinion dude as you can see if you have a negative point to anything here you seem to inherit the title of TROLL,FLAMER e.t.c amazing how one sided things are, best thing to do would be to just walk away and go read something of some intelligence.
Whoa Dudes! Let it go man. This is obviously someone who has posted here before and is just trying the old and tired ploy of blaming Pix for allllllll of Farlans troubles. Let it go. Ignore posts like this. Trollers, posers and flamers is all they are.
It is curiously quite like yet another DNL diehard that has been posting isnt it?
If anything comes out of this, it will be that posters like this do in fact ADD to the ill feelings Farlan has generated. And again, it shows utter stupidity in a business sense. Can't believe these guys are rich businessmen. Whatever business they have that has made them this money it has GOT to be one in which the consumer is ill regarded.
Whoa Dudes! Let it go man. This is obviously someone who has posted here before and is just trying the old and tired ploy of blaming Pix for allllllll of Farlans troubles. Let it go. Ignore posts like this. Trollers, posers and flamers is all they are.
I think the above post prefectly represents the mentality of certain people writing here. Those that do not defend "Holy _Pix_" are ignorant, flamers, trollers, and many other bad things. This american-style mentality is typical of mono-eyed persons, while i think you should be more balanced and fair. And respect other's opinions.
BadT, don't you think you are a bit exaggerating? dont' you think your statements ("as a player....") are some excessive? you are describing Farlan as the Son Of The Devil, the cause of every problem of the MMORPGs market: they damaged the market, they created psycologyc traumas among the players, they damaged other companies with blames, they damaged the poor and honest _Pix_, their game is so buggy that players are offended, they lied su much they should burn on the stake. Maybe you should try to relax on the sofa, ask yourself "if I would be in the part of Farlan, what would i think?".
I have played Dark&Light SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE BETATEST (read it again, if neccessary). I am one of those that followed DnL since the beginning, and like many others i felt angry when the promises do not became reality, and the bugs never fixed, and so on. But i DO NOT HATE THEM. A lawsuit is not a football match, it's real life. They are humans (homo sapiens), and humans can do mistakes, and if they made mistakes they MUST pay. But paying for their mistakes does not mean being exposed to the public pillory. The middle ages are over. And i will NEVER throw the first stone.
You are accusing Farlan to have BLAMED everyone, the players and the other companies. But in these posts, YOU are blaming Farlan extensively. Read all the thread from start: you are writing all the worst about Farlan, you are doing the same mistake, you are putting yourself on the same side of Farlan (except for Charlizd, which is balanced and reasonable).
I am sorry men, but i am NOT on your side. First, my idea of justice is more mature than yours. Second, if Farlan loses (and they MUST lose, if they stole something) we will lose a free game, and i cannot see how this could be an advantage. Finally, with regard to _Pix_ i think that going around forums chit-chatting about your oppositor in a trial you are involved on is very immature and ignorant, (this is true for BOTH SIDES, obviously), and an intelligent person cannot have such a behavior.
It is not ignorant, nor morally wrong, nor any of the things you profess to be a character flaw to back a winner!
Farlan threw the first stone.
Farlan grabbed forum threads with BLAME on Pix for their lousy game, AFTER Farlan PUBLICLY blamed the players themselves.
Pix has every RIGHT to PUBLICLY defend himself. Period.
The problem you all have is that Farlans dirty laundry has now become PUBLIC --- but only due to their own actions, not others.
An arrogant and deceitful attitude towards all of this is what started all of this. Pix is simply defending himself and his work , as he should.
The fact that we believe him is not morally wrong, nor immature.
It takes a sense of logic, a bit of intelligence and experience, as well alot of common sense to understand the entire situation. You obviously cannot and will not see what is proof in front of you.
If you truly are one of the few remaining BETA TESTERS, tell your BETA name here. The others here will recognize the name.
I for one, do not believe a word you said about your experience from day one. If you truly were, you would be the ONLY BETA PLAYER who HAS NOT COMPREHENDED what has been and is continuing by the Farlan gang.
Starting flame wars on a forum, and in a thread in which you "will not tolerate" is wrong and immature.
If it is so intolerable for you, there is one thing to truly do......dont read it. Period.
This information is given out to the mmo players and the mmo community. Period. This has nothing to do with "public opinion regarding a court of law".
Twisting the truth, twisting the situation is the expertise of Farlan. You are failing quite rapidly at it.
You cannot twist a court of law's opinion when the opinion has already been handed down.
Farlan stole this mans work. Farlan is claiming ownership. Farlan accused Pix of ruining their reputation. A court of law has so far found Farlan quilty of harassing this man with a frivolous lawsuit and determined that Pix is NOT responsible for their own bad rap. Farlan spoke out first about it being Pix's fault (after the abysmal accusation of their own players being at fault) for the problems with the game. Farlan has, in many, many, many posts accused Pix of ruining their game. Farlan has in many many many different avenues claimed ownership of something they do not nor never had ownership of. Farlan has even attemtped to keep it out of the courts by going to China with it. All of Farlans tricks have been brought to light in toooo toooo many instances to count, yet they continue with their arrogant, self-serving actions.
Do I hate them? As time goes by, yes I guess I do but only because in their own downfall, they are attempting to take an decent man down with them. A knee-jerk, juvenile reaction to their own problems brought about by no other than they themselves.
Is Pix responsible for the rotten game? No
Is Pix responsible for the instructions to the Click and Buy people? No
Is Pix responsible for the lies Farlan told, in writing and interviews the web over? No
Is Pix responsible for the mess they are in? No
Pix is responsible for the beautiful and awe-inspiring background and environment in their game. Period. Farlan attempted to steal that from him.
Yes, I back Pix all the way. Call any of us who do ignorant, immature and all the other names you can try to come up with. It doesnt change the hard cold facts that you seem to ignore and disregard, which is your own mistake.
yada yada yada yada don't voice your opinion dude as you can see if you have a negative point to anything here you seem to inherit the title of TROLL,FLAMER e.t.c amazing how one sided things are, best thing to do would be to just walk away and go read something of some intelligence.
There is a difference between negative points and flat out twisted bs that makes no sense if the person posting had any reasonable comprehension of what's truly happening.
Otherwise, its a flame war attempt. AGAIN! by the DNL fans.
You wont get rid of us. We will voice our opinions and keep the mmo community abreast of all that happens.
***On a side note -- you DO know doncha that there is yet another thread keeping tabs on this, the original poster is in fact one of the staff here at mmorpg.com , on the NEWS FORUMS right? I would LOVE To see you try that statement on that very thread also.
Over 100k U.S. dollars, and not even at the real rewards when the main case is decided.
_Pix_, I think we're gonna let you throw the party.
Just because a court awarded someone money doesn't mean they're ever going to see it. All Farlan has to do is file for bankruptcy and pix will never see a red cent.
This is not a criminal trial. Farlan cannot be punished by jail time for not paying. They will never pay him a penny. The most that could be done is the siezure of Farlan assets worth 100k but even that is a long drawn out process and they probably don't even have anything under the company worth anything anymore.
On a side note though -- Why is Dark and Light still listed here? I mean how much proof do you need that these guys a crooks... They rebilled cancelled accounts so many times that they probably doubled what they made off the original orders just through rebilling peoples cancelled memberships lol
Just a brief answer, i have not very long time tonight.
First, i do not started a flame war. Flame war against Farlan was started with the thread and was feeded by Pix and others. I want to estabilish a more banlanced and fair judjement, which is the opposite of what was going on here ("a public trial in the marketplace").
Second, i play since the firsts phases of the beta (after the close beta, of course) with the name Dwerk. In order to avoid confusion, i use the name Dwerk in EVERY MMORPG, so that anyone knows that's always me. My real name is hidden, but at least they know that Dwerk is always the same person. In the beta, in particular, i was very critical against the bugs. After the beta i subscribed and played (= flyed around...) for some months as vice-leader in guild Aurelia, (70+ members), when it became free.
Third, i must admit i were not a big poster on the forums, i must admit. I occasionally read it, but not frequently. I was never rebilled 2 times. I never received blames from Farlan (except in 1 case, from the Italian moderator). I have never seen someone of the Staff attacking VWORLD in the forums.
Fourth, i liked DnL very much, and feel very sorry for the fate of the game. If Farlan was incorrect, then it shall be judjed by a (hopely free) court and punished. But it have been already punished by the history of the events, and the chinese future seems pitch black. Giving Farlan the "coup de grace" is something useless, it would damage players and programmers (they lose the job), and i don't see where is the point in doing this. It sounds like REVENGE, which is always worse than the original crime. And flaming against a game company that is going to lose the legal battle is useless revenge, too.
And again, I challenge you to state that to the editorial staff here at mmorpg.com as well as to two magazines that I know of that have made reference to the abysmal game debut of DNL as well as reference to the crooked and deceitful ploys Farlan has done.
It isnt this thread, nor even just this website alone ---- Farlan showed the WORLD just how sleazy they are.
The site is left up for the interests of the gaming community.
Farlan/NPC made their own garden of lies, deceit and fertilized it with sleaze. The fact that it is now in its final rotting stages has nothing to do with the general public's outrage and disillusionment brought out in public, but Farlans own ill-conceived web they wove, continued to defend their own lies, continue to twist and distort the truths and continue to attempt to fool the mmo community.
You used the word "if" in your post. The FACT is, there is no "if" === it has already been PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW.
**as another note -- When Pix was so ruthlessly stolen from and did what ANY person would have done had their work been hijacked, FARLAN threw in frivolous lawsuits against him in an attempt to cloud the issues. FARLANS scheme failed and continues to fail. It is THESE ACTIONS that anger the mmo community, it is these actions that bring about their own hand in their own destruction.
Dwerk -- I do believe, and you can see it both on this thread as well as on the DNL Boards that Farlan/NPC's very own C.Jacquet or whatever his name is, PROMISED TO PUBLICIZE THE OUTCOME OF THE LATEST COURT HEARING himself!!
He wrote how he would personally post it -- defending his "truth".......... the sleazebag LOST! And omfg! Wouldnt you know it? The arrogant azz hasnt got the bulls to do as he PROMISED yet again! LOL You are all just p.o.'d that the TRUTH Came Out and the TRUTH is against EVERYTHING C.Jacquet stated both in forums AND in print interviews. He is an arrogant liar, a cheat and simply a bad, bad man.
I can also tell you that Farlan/NPC (and also involved ALchemic Dreams) also first wrote about a non-existent law suit won against Pix -- it never happened --neither the lawsuit nor a court date nor anything else -- it was Farlans LIES. Thats what prompted the PUBLIC airing --- not Pix's actions and "immorality" as you state it --- but in fact FARLANS immoral, deceitful and twisted lies that started this.
This is NEWS to the mmo community. A lawsuit involving one of the biggest losers in mmo history is simply newsworthy. People have a right to know whats going on. People WANT to know whats going on.
You dont like it? Complain to the staff here as they have their own thread about this very same subject in the NEWS FORUM. As do several other sites. Call the staff here at mmorpg "immoral, immature and intolerable". No need for insulting others who have opinions either, nor insulting the man you have no idea of the whole story (although its all laid out if you would care to enlighten yourself -- cant be bothered? Then you have NO RIGHT to ping others who DO know and who have taken the time to educate themselves.
Thats a definition of ignorance btw -- unlearned. Would do you well to learn the whole story. If you cant tolerate it, then you have no right to flame Pix nor any of the posters here.
If anyone who had been a beta tester , and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims they never saw the accusation from Farlan blaming the players for the state of a game is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims they have never seen Farlan themselves making accusations against Pix is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan blame other companies for the state of the game is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan attempt to deny the thousands of requested refunds even before the game was delivered is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan tell its fans to manipulate its ratings by whatever means, including making several accounts and voting, is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan ouright lie, in print , about the state of the game is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan state, in print, that Pix's technology is their own and they claim ownership of it is a liar.
I will not answer to Cholayna anymore, since my words would be useless: if you say something that he does not agree, you are a liar. Those that think like him, instead, are honest citizens. A typical example of "open-minded" man.
I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!).
In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation.
I will not answer to Cholayna anymore, since my words would be useless: if you say something that he does not agree, you are a liar. Those that think like him, instead, are honest citizens. A typical example of "open-minded" man. Cho is a she. And although she can be exhuberant in her responses, does not make her incorrect. But since you don't feel like responding to her anymore, try me. I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!). In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation. Of course he's going to show where his engine has been used. Regardless of the piece of shit DnL is and the fact that Farlan stole the tech, the only worthwhile tech in DnL is the VWorld engine, which _Pix_ created and owns. And he has every right to showcase it at the same time he defends it from Farlan. Are you going to sit there and tell me if you built a new type of technology and somebody appropriated it without your permission, that you would not say "Hey, look. I built that!" when people were trying to give credit to the wrong person? A coherent behavior indeed... Yes it is coherent behaviour. If you don't know that, you have bigger things to worry about than this.
I will not answer to Cholayna anymore, since my words would be useless: if you say something that he does not agree, you are a liar. Those that think like him, instead, are honest citizens. A typical example of "open-minded" man. I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!). In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation. A coherent behavior indeed...
Its not a question of whether you agree with me or not, it IS a question of being honest.
As a BETA PLAYER, you were privy to information that others were not. As a BETA PLAYER you had more interest in the game than most. And since you have been with DNL since the beginning, you would have known and well remembered the HUGE stink that was caused by FARLAN when they stated in a written interview that is was the FANS that caused the game to be debuted with only 10% complete.
This information was not only on this website but I remember at least 5 other websites - word for word - as well as in the DNL boards and DNL IRC Chat. You would remember that for months, the PLAYERS themselves were talking about it INSIDE THE GAME, while playing the game -- it became some nicknames of some of the items in the game. This went on for months.
For someone who claims to have been there from the beginning, you would have known, seen and/or read AND heard about the THOUSANDS that Farlan attempted to rip off with the refunds. You would have known about the non-existent map, you would have known that Farlan attempted to state that SOG was NOT DNL. As a player, it would have been through osmosis, there was no way to avoid the knowledge. This went on for months and still today, you can ocassionally still see a comment or a reference to it IN GAME.
For someone who claims to have been there from the beginning, you would have known, seen and/or read and HEARD about the claim Farlan used against Pix and Farlan claiming it was Pix's fault the game is only 10% complete, cannot run, and alllllll the other problems wrong with it. You would have learned this too even against your will! as it was a constant subject and yes, Pix became a nickname for one of the mobs also. This continues to this day both in the game as well as on several boards.
For someone who claims to have been there from the beginning, you would have known, seen and/or read and HEARD about Farlan telling the players to come here to this site and vote -- and vote more than once with multiple accounts in order to "defend the game". I do believe the message used the word "attack" in it. (it is still listed here in this forum--not hard to do a search for it. It is quoted direct from Vuuar and has a link to the source). To this day, there is still a word out to come here and attempt to "get rid" of the posters as well as "show them the truth" --- one of the "truths" is Farlans own claim, in their own words, of promising to "publicize the outcome" of their frivilous lawsuit against Pix. As you can well see, they lost --- and C. Jacquet has yet to cover yet another "promise". (This also is a statement in writing made by Farlan on their OWN WEBSITE -- accusations against Pix. Yes, it has and continues to happen)
So you see, anyone who claims to have been there from day one and denies knowing about any of the slimebag actions, arrogant and sleazy manipulations on the part of C. Jacquet, Vuuar, as wells as the team of Alchemic Dreams (soooo totally enmeshed in this by Farlan - info given to them by Farlan) -- is a flat out liar. Period. There can be no claim of "I never knew of it" simply because all of this was a daily topic in the game chat itself as well as on the DNL boards, and across the www.
Claiming ignorance and innocence of any of the past actions of Farlan is incredible. Even if you weren't the least bit interested in the drama, it would have affected you and you would have at least known about it. (even one of the miracle patches claimed to be "fixing" what "Pix" had done)
Unless, of course, you bury your head in the sand in game chat, boards, other websites , during gameplay, etc etc. If you do, then you have no right to even post anything on this subject as you continue to bury your head in the sand and have ignorance of the subject.
So you see? Anyone can disagree with me, everyone has their opinion, I have mine. When you mix the "opinion" with lies, misrepresentations and misleading bs, its THEN I have a problem with it and I attempt to correct the facts that are attemtped to be laid down. * I * do NOT tolerate misrepresentations, deliberate misleading information nor flat out lies. The FACTS back up my statements.
***btw -- there are at least 5 others who have debunked your postings in this thread also. Answer the other guys too. I am not the only one "explaining" the real truth behind this curtain of misleading bs.
I will not answer to Cholayna anymore, since my words would be useless: if you say something that he does not agree, you are a liar. Those that think like him, instead, are honest citizens. A typical example of "open-minded" man. Cho is a she. And although she can be exhuberant in her responses, does not make her incorrect. But since you don't feel like responding to her anymore, try me. I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!). In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation. Of course he's going to show where his engine has been used. Regardless of the piece of shit DnL is and the fact that Farlan stole the tech, the only worthwhile tech in DnL is the VWorld engine, which _Pix_ created and owns. And he has every right to showcase it at the same time he defends it from Farlan. Are you going to sit there and tell me if you built a new type of technology and somebody appropriated it without your permission, that you would not say "Hey, look. I built that!" when people were trying to give credit to the wrong person? A coherent behavior indeed... Yes it is coherent behaviour. If you don't know that, you have bigger things to worry about than this.
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LMAO! Okay now we are really getting deep.
OF COURSE! The man is going to advertise that HIS tech was used in a mmo (if you can actually call it that). Its HIS work!!!
Man, people are really starting to dig deep in this. Almost sounds as though they are jealous as hell that Pix was proven RIGHT , that he gets to keep HIS OWN WORK and that he gets compensated for the attempted damage that others have done to him. This is absolutely mind-boggling!!!
The man needed to hire his own attorneys to be able to keep his work and his OWN interest in his OWN work ---- of course the evildoers will pay the man for expense of defending himself in which he is the winner!
I will not answer to Cholayna anymore, since my words would be useless: if you say something that he does not agree, you are a liar. Those that think like him, instead, are honest citizens. A typical example of "open-minded" man. I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!). In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation. A coherent behavior indeed...
You really just dont have a clue do you? IMO you sound like someone who works for Farlen, give it a rest man, you lost and i am glad to see Farlan be destroyed... by their own hands
I will not answer to Cholayna anymore, since my words would be useless: if you say something that he does not agree, you are a liar. Those that think like him, instead, are honest citizens. A typical example of "open-minded" man. I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!). In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation. A coherent behavior indeed...
You really just dont have a clue do you? IMO you sound like someone who works for Farlen, give it a rest man, you lost and i am glad to see Farlan be destroyed... by their own hands
Those were my thoughts too. Or sounds like someone on their 3rd or 4th account here.
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They're testing the waters, hoping we've disappeared by now.
They're testing the waters, hoping we've disappeared by now.
LOL! What? Leave now??!!?? We are just gettin to the good part!
Hi, i am new to this forum. By reading all this thread, i found how much immature is peope writing here, starting from _Pix_.
You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest. You are using this forum to damage reputation of a company, Mr _Pix_, and this is something i do not tolerate. I think that speaking publicly about you enemy during a trial you are involved on, BEFORE AND AFTER the final judjement of a court is morally incorrect, immature, and wrong. Because the next time you are involved in a lawsuit, you may be in the OTHER side and lose.
The trial is carried on inside the rooms of the french tribunals, NOT in a gaming forum. I see many people in this forum which openly HOPES for Farlan to lose the legal battle. Well, maybe this people have never been involved in a real-world trial. Maybe you have never lost a trial, and i hope it will never happen in your life, because it's a very bad thing (especially if you are innocent - it happens more often than what you think).
I have played dark and light for many time, and i have the RIGHT to say it is a good game. I don't have to explain why i like it, i like it - full stop. I do not understand WHY many people here hopes for the game to quit: what is your interest? what do YOU earn if DnL quits? Will you receive money from VWORLD? Of course, _Pix_ will be very happy (and will earn tons of money), but we players will not earn a cent. Those that play DnL will lose their free game. And the other players will lose a "free bad game", and will not earn a "new good game". Well, i am on the side of the players, not of _Pix_, neither of Farlan. REPEAT: i am on the side of MMORPG players.
You see, Mr _Pix_, you have found some free citizen, a free indipendent European which is not on your side. Will you issue a writ against me? Will you say that i am a psycopathic? i can give you my real address if you want.
I hope the best of luck to you AND to dark&light.
-- Ruling the world
Dwerk, you say you are on the side of the mmorpg player.
I am a mmorgp player. I am also still have an account on DNL.
Again, you say you are on the side of the player. It is the PLAYERS that forced the issue of the illegal acts of Farlan/DNL on this board. Mr. _Pix_ brought out the truth --- for the most part forced to by the lies and the attempted discrediting of his own work and words. It was NOT Mr. _Pix_ that started it here --- IT WAS THE DNL PLAYERS! Mr. _Pix_ DEFENDED HIMSELF against the horrible lies that Farlan PROMOTED and ENCOURAGED (there is proof of that here in these boards)
It is the PLAYERS who were ripped off, lied to, deceived and played for fools by Farlan.
As a PLAYER, Farlan has hurt the MMORPG community the most! Lies, deceit, trickery, theft (those that were charged 2 and 3x) -as well as - those that were charged FULL PRICE for a game, *premium price*, and given only 10% of game!!
As a PLAYER, watching the horrible way in which Farlan treated us PLAYERS is inexcusable.
As a PLAYER, seeing the BLAME Farlan placed on the PLAYERS for the state of the game ( proof is in this forum --- placed here by PLAYERS who not only copied it word for word from the DNL boards but also provided a direct link to show the source).
As a PLAYER, when the BLAME on the PLAYERS p.o.'d a ton of people and didnt set so well with the mmo community, they turned around and BLAMED others, most notably, Mr. _Pix_.
As a PLAYER, the background and scenery is the BEST THING about DNL.
As a PLAYER, watching Farlan attempt to steal the tech AND claim OWNERSHIP of the BEST THING about DNL is sickening.
As a PLAYER, watching the lies and deceit Farlan produced being caught out continuously, shamelessly and with no remorse by Farlan, is inexcusable.
As a PLAYER, the actions of Farlan that continue in the mmo industry is disgusting.
As a PLAYER, NOT standing out AGAINST companies that wish to lie, deceive, blame, and RIP OFF the mmo player on a CONTINOUS basis is immoral, deceitful, and top of the line sleaze.
As a PLAYER, what Farlan has done to the mmo industry -- allowing the trust and expectations of the mmo player to be trampled upon, chewed up and spit back out like phlegm -- set this industry back 10 years. No longer is the average player allowing the belief in what a developer says, no longer is the "pre-order" quite the same as it was before DNL.
As a PLAYER, the small developer companies now have an even harder trek up the mountain of success of online gaming due to the explosive and destructive actions of Farlan, REGARDLESS of Mr._Pix)
IF you read the thread --- then you would have seen that a COURT OF LAW determined that VWORLD had NOT damaged the rep of Farlan.
Farlan has done that alllll by themselves.
Farlan has its place in the history books of the mmo industry -- the more they continue, the worse it gets. No amount of casting blame on others (Players, Click&Buy, _Pix_, hell, even the weather, sickness, transportation problems, you name it! Farlan has used it!) will shift the damage Farlan has done. No amount will shift the blame.
As a PLAYER, allowing for a company that has begun and continue to reside in the lowest of the low in their actions towards the gaming community, you should be fighting for decent playable games, the truth about the state of the game when marketing, the truth about the state of the game in the actual execution of the game (miracle patches?), honest and truthful developers who actually care about their players and fans.
If DNL did ONE thing for the community -- it was to make the average player EXPECT a playable game, EXPECT the truth in dealing with its fans, EXPECT the Dev to care about its players.
DNL and its continuing actions toward the player base, the mmo community is the REAL wolf here. Not Mr. _Pix_ ---- its the continuing LIE Farlan keeps trying but has ALREADY BEEN LAWFULLY CONVICTED for the things it attempted to BLAME OTHERS for.
Mr. _Pix_ has EVERY RIGHT to defend himself and his company against these sleazebags. It was them that started it, it will be Mr. _Pix_ that ends it.
As a PLAYER, you should be standing up for the mmo community as a whole and NOT support Devs and any other company that attempts what Farlan did and is doing to take hold of the mmo player and the gaming industry. Defending the outrageous, deceitful actions of Farlan only shows the ignorance that is still prevalent out there and Farlans singleminded quest to find those ignorant enough to buy into them.
First of all, FLAMING someone outright is morally incorrect, immature and wrong especially when you add ignorant statements behind it.
Public opinion does not hinder, hamper, encourage nor influence a court of law in this case. Public opinion in this case comes directly from the actions of Farlan. And the crapazz game they produced and still continue to try to convince people its a good game.
You are all for feeling sorry for Farlan, and that they have already been punished. What about Pix? Farlan has gone overboard in their relentless pursuit to damage Pix and his reputation. They drew first blood, not Pix. They did and still are attempting to lay claim of HIS technology. They promoted the game with the words "the biggest mmo you have ever seen"....thats Pix's technology, not theirs.
Farlan has already made lots of money in the money they STOLE from the players. Promising a game and giving only 10% of what they paid for. THOUSANDS of people refunded and Farlan even attempted to block their refunds! Before the people even received the game, Farlan attempted to block their money back! That didnt work either. When they tried to overbill , they blamed Click and Buy -- which instructions CAME FROM FARLAN!
Farlan is continuing to attempt to make money with Pix's technology ...and what of Pix? Is he not entitled to be paid for something he created and owns? Why shouldnt Pix be compensated for the damage Farlan attempted and was found GUILTY of doing themselves?
You play in the illegal sandbox, you are gonna get hurt. It shouldnt be the guy who is responsible for what the Devs use as a marketing tool and claim ownership illegally, even going so far as bringing it to a country where the laws supposedly wont touch them? Why didnt Farlan go to Europe? the US? or any other country that respects the creation and ownership of rights? -- One reason ---- to get away with they attempted to do. Simple.
And as far as speaking publicly about a trial you are involved in? What of the remarks and posts that Farlan themselves made??? What of the dastardly actions Farlan has done towards Pix? You arent looking at the whole picture -- in fact, you are doing exactly what Farlan wants.
The many who have ill feelings toward Farlan, especially the ones that do and continue to speak out against Farlan have in fact, EVERY RIGHT to. They are former TRUE LOYAL FANS, from YEARS BACK, that were lied to, decieved, manipulated, ripped off and insulted by Farlan. They more than ANYONE have the RIGHT to speak out and the OBLIGATION towards the gaming players to do so. You on the other hand, are doing just what you are flaming about.
Your soapbox preaching smacks of ignorance of this entire, yes, YEARS long episode of which you are obviously NOT an original player. Many of these people who continue here were BETA PLAYERS. Some still are active account holders. They saw the promises, they saw everything from DAY ONE and experienced it. YOu havent! You have NO RIGHT to speak AGAINST that which you so obvioulsy dont know the REAL STORY.
I agree with BadT. Feel sorry for Farlan. And make your smartazz remarks -- it only shows your ignorance.
Whoa Dudes! Let it go man. This is obviously someone who has posted here before and is just trying the old and tired ploy of blaming Pix for allllllll of Farlans troubles.
Let it go. Ignore posts like this. Trollers, posers and flamers is all they are.
yada yada yada yada don't voice your opinion dude as you can see if you have a negative point to anything here you seem to inherit the title of TROLL,FLAMER e.t.c amazing how one sided things are, best thing to do would be to just walk away and go read something of some intelligence.
If anything comes out of this, it will be that posters like this do in fact ADD to the ill feelings Farlan has generated. And again, it shows utter stupidity in a business sense. Can't believe these guys are rich businessmen. Whatever business they have that has made them this money it has GOT to be one in which the consumer is ill regarded.
I think the above post prefectly represents the mentality of certain people writing here. Those that do not defend "Holy _Pix_" are ignorant, flamers, trollers, and many other bad things. This american-style mentality is typical of mono-eyed persons, while i think you should be more balanced and fair. And respect other's opinions.
BadT, don't you think you are a bit exaggerating? dont' you think your statements ("as a player....") are some excessive? you are describing Farlan as the Son Of The Devil, the cause of every problem of the MMORPGs market: they damaged the market, they created psycologyc traumas among the players, they damaged other companies with blames, they damaged the poor and honest _Pix_, their game is so buggy that players are offended, they lied su much they should burn on the stake. Maybe you should try to relax on the sofa, ask yourself "if I would be in the part of Farlan, what would i think?".
I have played Dark&Light SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE BETATEST (read it again, if neccessary). I am one of those that followed DnL since the beginning, and like many others i felt angry when the promises do not became reality, and the bugs never fixed, and so on. But i DO NOT HATE THEM. A lawsuit is not a football match, it's real life. They are humans (homo sapiens), and humans can do mistakes, and if they made mistakes they MUST pay. But paying for their mistakes does not mean being exposed to the public pillory. The middle ages are over. And i will NEVER throw the first stone.
You are accusing Farlan to have BLAMED everyone, the players and the other companies. But in these posts, YOU are blaming Farlan extensively. Read all the thread from start: you are writing all the worst about Farlan, you are doing the same mistake, you are putting yourself on the same side of Farlan (except for Charlizd, which is balanced and reasonable).
I am sorry men, but i am NOT on your side. First, my idea of justice is more mature than yours. Second, if Farlan loses (and they MUST lose, if they stole something) we will lose a free game, and i cannot see how this could be an advantage. Finally, with regard to _Pix_ i think that going around forums chit-chatting about your oppositor in a trial you are involved on is very immature and ignorant, (this is true for BOTH SIDES, obviously), and an intelligent person cannot have such a behavior.
-- Ruling the world
It is not ignorant, nor morally wrong, nor any of the things you profess to be a character flaw to back a winner!
Farlan threw the first stone.
Farlan grabbed forum threads with BLAME on Pix for their lousy game, AFTER Farlan PUBLICLY blamed the players themselves.
Pix has every RIGHT to PUBLICLY defend himself. Period.
The problem you all have is that Farlans dirty laundry has now become PUBLIC --- but only due to their own actions, not others.
An arrogant and deceitful attitude towards all of this is what started all of this. Pix is simply defending himself and his work , as he should.
The fact that we believe him is not morally wrong, nor immature.
It takes a sense of logic, a bit of intelligence and experience, as well alot of common sense to understand the entire situation. You obviously cannot and will not see what is proof in front of you.
If you truly are one of the few remaining BETA TESTERS, tell your BETA name here. The others here will recognize the name.
I for one, do not believe a word you said about your experience from day one. If you truly were, you would be the ONLY BETA PLAYER who HAS NOT COMPREHENDED what has been and is continuing by the Farlan gang.
Starting flame wars on a forum, and in a thread in which you "will not tolerate" is wrong and immature.
If it is so intolerable for you, there is one thing to truly do......dont read it. Period.
This information is given out to the mmo players and the mmo community. Period. This has nothing to do with "public opinion regarding a court of law".
Twisting the truth, twisting the situation is the expertise of Farlan. You are failing quite rapidly at it.
You cannot twist a court of law's opinion when the opinion has already been handed down.
Farlan stole this mans work. Farlan is claiming ownership. Farlan accused Pix of ruining their reputation. A court of law has so far found Farlan quilty of harassing this man with a frivolous lawsuit and determined that Pix is NOT responsible for their own bad rap. Farlan spoke out first about it being Pix's fault (after the abysmal accusation of their own players being at fault) for the problems with the game. Farlan has, in many, many, many posts accused Pix of ruining their game. Farlan has in many many many different avenues claimed ownership of something they do not nor never had ownership of. Farlan has even attemtped to keep it out of the courts by going to China with it. All of Farlans tricks have been brought to light in toooo toooo many instances to count, yet they continue with their arrogant, self-serving actions.
Do I hate them? As time goes by, yes I guess I do but only because in their own downfall, they are attempting to take an decent man down with them. A knee-jerk, juvenile reaction to their own problems brought about by no other than they themselves.
Is Pix responsible for the rotten game? No
Is Pix responsible for the instructions to the Click and Buy people? No
Is Pix responsible for the lies Farlan told, in writing and interviews the web over? No
Is Pix responsible for the mess they are in? No
Pix is responsible for the beautiful and awe-inspiring background and environment in their game. Period. Farlan attempted to steal that from him.
Yes, I back Pix all the way. Call any of us who do ignorant, immature and all the other names you can try to come up with. It doesnt change the hard cold facts that you seem to ignore and disregard, which is your own mistake.
Otherwise, its a flame war attempt. AGAIN! by the DNL fans.
You wont get rid of us. We will voice our opinions and keep the mmo community abreast of all that happens.
***On a side note -- you DO know doncha that there is yet another thread keeping tabs on this, the original poster is in fact one of the staff here at mmorpg.com , on the NEWS FORUMS right? I would LOVE To see you try that statement on that very thread also.
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Over 100k U.S. dollars, and not even at the real rewards when the main case is decided.
_Pix_, I think we're gonna let you throw the party.
Just because a court awarded someone money doesn't mean they're ever going to see it. All Farlan has to do is file for bankruptcy and pix will never see a red cent.
This is not a criminal trial. Farlan cannot be punished by jail time for not paying. They will never pay him a penny. The most that could be done is the siezure of Farlan assets worth 100k but even that is a long drawn out process and they probably don't even have anything under the company worth anything anymore.
On a side note though -- Why is Dark and Light still listed here? I mean how much proof do you need that these guys a crooks... They rebilled cancelled accounts so many times that they probably doubled what they made off the original orders just through rebilling peoples cancelled memberships lol
Just a brief answer, i have not very long time tonight.
First, i do not started a flame war. Flame war against Farlan was started with the thread and was feeded by Pix and others. I want to estabilish a more banlanced and fair judjement, which is the opposite of what was going on here ("a public trial in the marketplace").
Second, i play since the firsts phases of the beta (after the close beta, of course) with the name Dwerk. In order to avoid confusion, i use the name Dwerk in EVERY MMORPG, so that anyone knows that's always me. My real name is hidden, but at least they know that Dwerk is always the same person. In the beta, in particular, i was very critical against the bugs. After the beta i subscribed and played (= flyed around...) for some months as vice-leader in guild Aurelia, (70+ members), when it became free.
Third, i must admit i were not a big poster on the forums, i must admit. I occasionally read it, but not frequently. I was never rebilled 2 times. I never received blames from Farlan (except in 1 case, from the Italian moderator). I have never seen someone of the Staff attacking VWORLD in the forums.
Fourth, i liked DnL very much, and feel very sorry for the fate of the game. If Farlan was incorrect, then it shall be judjed by a (hopely free) court and punished. But it have been already punished by the history of the events, and the chinese future seems pitch black. Giving Farlan the "coup de grace" is something useless, it would damage players and programmers (they lose the job), and i don't see where is the point in doing this. It sounds like REVENGE, which is always worse than the original crime. And flaming against a game company that is going to lose the legal battle is useless revenge, too.
-- Ruling the world
And again, I challenge you to state that to the editorial staff here at mmorpg.com as well as to two magazines that I know of that have made reference to the abysmal game debut of DNL as well as reference to the crooked and deceitful ploys Farlan has done.
It isnt this thread, nor even just this website alone ---- Farlan showed the WORLD just how sleazy they are.
The site is left up for the interests of the gaming community.
Farlan/NPC made their own garden of lies, deceit and fertilized it with sleaze. The fact that it is now in its final rotting stages has nothing to do with the general public's outrage and disillusionment brought out in public, but Farlans own ill-conceived web they wove, continued to defend their own lies, continue to twist and distort the truths and continue to attempt to fool the mmo community.
You used the word "if" in your post. The FACT is, there is no "if" === it has already been PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW.
**as another note -- When Pix was so ruthlessly stolen from and did what ANY person would have done had their work been hijacked, FARLAN threw in frivolous lawsuits against him in an attempt to cloud the issues. FARLANS scheme failed and continues to fail. It is THESE ACTIONS that anger the mmo community, it is these actions that bring about their own hand in their own destruction.
Dwerk -- I do believe, and you can see it both on this thread as well as on the DNL Boards that Farlan/NPC's very own C.Jacquet or whatever his name is, PROMISED TO PUBLICIZE THE OUTCOME OF THE LATEST COURT HEARING himself!!
He wrote how he would personally post it -- defending his "truth".......... the sleazebag LOST! And omfg! Wouldnt you know it? The arrogant azz hasnt got the bulls to do as he PROMISED yet again! LOL You are all just p.o.'d that the TRUTH Came Out and the TRUTH is against EVERYTHING C.Jacquet stated both in forums AND in print interviews. He is an arrogant liar, a cheat and simply a bad, bad man.
I can also tell you that Farlan/NPC (and also involved ALchemic Dreams) also first wrote about a non-existent law suit won against Pix -- it never happened --neither the lawsuit nor a court date nor anything else -- it was Farlans LIES. Thats what prompted the PUBLIC airing --- not Pix's actions and "immorality" as you state it --- but in fact FARLANS immoral, deceitful and twisted lies that started this.
This is NEWS to the mmo community. A lawsuit involving one of the biggest losers in mmo history is simply newsworthy. People have a right to know whats going on. People WANT to know whats going on.
You dont like it? Complain to the staff here as they have their own thread about this very same subject in the NEWS FORUM. As do several other sites. Call the staff here at mmorpg "immoral, immature and intolerable". No need for insulting others who have opinions either, nor insulting the man you have no idea of the whole story (although its all laid out if you would care to enlighten yourself -- cant be bothered? Then you have NO RIGHT to ping others who DO know and who have taken the time to educate themselves.
Thats a definition of ignorance btw -- unlearned. Would do you well to learn the whole story. If you cant tolerate it, then you have no right to flame Pix nor any of the posters here.
If anyone who had been a beta tester , and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims they never saw the accusation from Farlan blaming the players for the state of a game is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims they have never seen Farlan themselves making accusations against Pix is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan blame other companies for the state of the game is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan attempt to deny the thousands of requested refunds even before the game was delivered is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan tell its fans to manipulate its ratings by whatever means, including making several accounts and voting, is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan ouright lie, in print , about the state of the game is a liar.
If anyone who had been a beta tester, and especially one whom stayed with DNL since then, claims to have never seen Farlan state, in print, that Pix's technology is their own and they claim ownership of it is a liar.
DNL's own front page of their website states "The biggest MMO you have ever seen".
That's V. Pourieoux (_Pix_) VWORLD tech.
I will not answer to Cholayna anymore, since my words would be useless: if you say something that he does not agree, you are a liar. Those that think like him, instead, are honest citizens. A typical example of "open-minded" man.
I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!).
In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation.
A coherent behavior indeed...
-- Ruling the world
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Its not a question of whether you agree with me or not, it IS a question of being honest.
As a BETA PLAYER, you were privy to information that others were not. As a BETA PLAYER you had more interest in the game than most. And since you have been with DNL since the beginning, you would have known and well remembered the HUGE stink that was caused by FARLAN when they stated in a written interview that is was the FANS that caused the game to be debuted with only 10% complete.
This information was not only on this website but I remember at least 5 other websites - word for word - as well as in the DNL boards and DNL IRC Chat. You would remember that for months, the PLAYERS themselves were talking about it INSIDE THE GAME, while playing the game -- it became some nicknames of some of the items in the game. This went on for months.
For someone who claims to have been there from the beginning, you would have known, seen and/or read AND heard about the THOUSANDS that Farlan attempted to rip off with the refunds. You would have known about the non-existent map, you would have known that Farlan attempted to state that SOG was NOT DNL. As a player, it would have been through osmosis, there was no way to avoid the knowledge. This went on for months and still today, you can ocassionally still see a comment or a reference to it IN GAME.
For someone who claims to have been there from the beginning, you would have known, seen and/or read and HEARD about the claim Farlan used against Pix and Farlan claiming it was Pix's fault the game is only 10% complete, cannot run, and alllllll the other problems wrong with it. You would have learned this too even against your will! as it was a constant subject and yes, Pix became a nickname for one of the mobs also. This continues to this day both in the game as well as on several boards.
For someone who claims to have been there from the beginning, you would have known, seen and/or read and HEARD about Farlan telling the players to come here to this site and vote -- and vote more than once with multiple accounts in order to "defend the game". I do believe the message used the word "attack" in it. (it is still listed here in this forum--not hard to do a search for it. It is quoted direct from Vuuar and has a link to the source). To this day, there is still a word out to come here and attempt to "get rid" of the posters as well as "show them the truth" --- one of the "truths" is Farlans own claim, in their own words, of promising to "publicize the outcome" of their frivilous lawsuit against Pix. As you can well see, they lost --- and C. Jacquet has yet to cover yet another "promise". (This also is a statement in writing made by Farlan on their OWN WEBSITE -- accusations against Pix. Yes, it has and continues to happen)
So you see, anyone who claims to have been there from day one and denies knowing about any of the slimebag actions, arrogant and sleazy manipulations on the part of C. Jacquet, Vuuar, as wells as the team of Alchemic Dreams (soooo totally enmeshed in this by Farlan - info given to them by Farlan) -- is a flat out liar. Period. There can be no claim of "I never knew of it" simply because all of this was a daily topic in the game chat itself as well as on the DNL boards, and across the www.
Claiming ignorance and innocence of any of the past actions of Farlan is incredible. Even if you weren't the least bit interested in the drama, it would have affected you and you would have at least known about it. (even one of the miracle patches claimed to be "fixing" what "Pix" had done)
Unless, of course, you bury your head in the sand in game chat, boards, other websites , during gameplay, etc etc. If you do, then you have no right to even post anything on this subject as you continue to bury your head in the sand and have ignorance of the subject.
So you see? Anyone can disagree with me, everyone has their opinion, I have mine. When you mix the "opinion" with lies, misrepresentations and misleading bs, its THEN I have a problem with it and I attempt to correct the facts that are attemtped to be laid down. * I * do NOT tolerate misrepresentations, deliberate misleading information nor flat out lies. The FACTS back up my statements.
***btw -- there are at least 5 others who have debunked your postings in this thread also. Answer the other guys too. I am not the only one "explaining" the real truth behind this curtain of misleading bs.
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LMAO! Okay now we are really getting deep.
OF COURSE! The man is going to advertise that HIS tech was used in a mmo (if you can actually call it that). Its HIS work!!!
Man, people are really starting to dig deep in this. Almost sounds as though they are jealous as hell that Pix was proven RIGHT , that he gets to keep HIS OWN WORK and that he gets compensated for the attempted damage that others have done to him. This is absolutely mind-boggling!!!
The man needed to hire his own attorneys to be able to keep his work and his OWN interest in his OWN work ---- of course the evildoers will pay the man for expense of defending himself in which he is the winner!
Think man THINK!
You really just dont have a clue do you? IMO you sound like someone who works for Farlen, give it a rest man, you lost and i am glad to see Farlan be destroyed... by their own hands
You really just dont have a clue do you? IMO you sound like someone who works for Farlen, give it a rest man, you lost and i am glad to see Farlan be destroyed... by their own hands
Those were my thoughts too. Or sounds like someone on their 3rd or 4th account here.
LoL no kiddin' BadT. Ah welll, no biggie to me. These guys make it tooo tooo easy.