I'm pretty sure most of us realize this. No game that is going to come out in the next two years will have the potential to kill WoW. I predict WoW will kill itself at this point or sooner (they've been doing so with their expansions) but if not then that would be the time to take the throne of the God of MMORPGs. WoW has been holding that title for a very long time and will keep that title simply because of how well the company has been managing it. What will cause WoW to die is by killing itself or by Blizzard making a new MMO, or if it exists in two years, maybe somebody can take it by then. But by now there's no chance of anything taking away WoW subscribers... well there is, just very small. I believe there's always a possibility for anything to happen but it's better to hope realistically.
10 million subs doesn't mean Godly. Good gameplay makes a good game, Not the amount of 10 year olds and gold sellers who play it.
In case you missed this in the other thread about the EXACT same thing :
Do I think this game will kill WoW ? By itself is highly doubtful but maybe in time it will rival the numbers. Indirectly YES it will definitely contribute to the final death of WoW's reign on the industry (which they are well, well, above the next closet in the industry atm).
Why so? Because it is a new leaf being turned over in the industry, and the combination of AoC, WAR, Aion, TCoS, etc etc .. brings finally competition to such a dominated market all at the same time. Games like Aion will get less subs that AoC and those will get AT LEAST 200k. People want new fresh stuff, they are simply bored. I would bet we could do a poll and you would end up with at least 10 different big titles people are waiting on that have predicted release dates in the near future.
The market is going to get split up a bit and you know what..? WoW will be the one to ultimately suffer and it will eventually die...why do you think blizzard has plans on making their big new MMO?
The domination is gonna die look around AoC is friggn huge atm , if you think bliz ain't scared you are crazy.... I have logged into my server a few times this week in WoW and my guild said there are tons of big raiding guilds breaking up/looking for more, so i assume it is having a big impact already and just from this game.
This is what the guys down in the head office at blizz have been doing for the last 2 months
and it will only get worse as the time ticks and all the games release....
WoW is a great game by most peoples' standards and will continue to be after AoC's release. That being said, I have left WoW already and preordered AoC.
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first of all aoc is NOT a wow killer because wow will NEVER DIE!!! wow will loose players to aoc... because is't getting old (almost 4 years) BUT wow will stay for manny manny years. So in the next few years you will probably see server merging in wow.. but that's just normal There will always be people who come back or leave wow but you'll see in 10 years wow will still have servers running ( UO is also still online..) I will not say aoc won't break wow's records. The game is getting so popular that is't perfectly possible it will easely hit 10 miljion players
so will wow die because of aoc? the answer is:
NO!!!!
and also a little poll :
Yeah, so here is my detailed answer to your rediculous post, who the hell cares?
As long as the 10 year olds stay on wow, i honestly dont care if aoc beats them out. Just dont come on my server and crack chuck norris jokes.
As to hopes for 2M subs, I doubt it simply because atm there isn't that many gamers with the hardware to run this game well, especially once we get into the large scale fights.
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I dont like WoW, but pure, perfect sand box game will be WoW killer, soooo theres no WoW killer at least for some time.
No, just no.
WoW hit 10 million because it's fucking dumbed down crap that anyone from 5-105 years old can pick up and play. Sandbox mmo's will never appeal to an audience wide enough to threaten WoW's numbers. I prefer sandbox by far but expecting one to surpass WoW anytime soon is crazy.
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Like I really give two craps what "kills" WoW I can explain it like this:
The ONLY thing that will end WoW's reign is time. Look at what gives it staying power:
1) It runs on almost any machine. Working class people don't have to spend money on a bigger and badder rig. Kiddies don't have to beg mommy and daddy for a new computer.
2) It's far enough ahead it can dictate the market like it has been doing. ie: cut deals on box sets, expansion upgrades, monthly subscription fees, etc etc
3) They come out with expansions in a timely order. Just around the time the bulk of the people playing are growing weary on the treadmill or have reached the "carrot" they put the prize a little further away.
4) Marketing. Marketing. Marketing.
These are a few (but not all) and I'm fairly sure everyone who is familiar with this discussion gets my point.
I think AoC will do well in a niche market like SWG and LOTRO and other well known IP driven MMO. There is a dedicated following and it sound like the game is well made. I haven't tried it because Conan just isn't my thing( though if and when I upgrade my rig I might give it a go). But as far as being a WOW-killer, I think it's unlikly. WOW is a sucess because it appeals to the masses where as AoC and other more recognizable IP's cater more to it's fanbase.
Even though I'm not playing WoW anymore but are going to play AoC, i can tell you for sure that AoC won't kill WoW, nor anything will in the upcoming year(s).
WoW is a great game just get over yourselves..... We all had our fun in there so respect it for when you loved playing that game, whether it was simplistic means or for others, it was well polished and did a great job on trying to pretty much give everyone a nice piece of the cake.
Anyway this is getting old and stupid.
Hate WoW for all you want, it ain't going anywhere but up it seems. Even though that you, I, and many others will be playing AoC very soon, WoW will still grow and will still be the king of the hill. That's just how it goes and why bother with it anyway?
WoW hit 10 million because it's fucking dumbed down crap that anyone from 5-105 years old can pick up and play. Sandbox mmo's will never appeal to an audience wide enough to threaten WoW's numbers. I prefer sandbox by far but expecting one to surpass WoW anytime soon is crazy.
Perhaps, just perhaps could it be that it has a very good game design?
These millions PAY to play for years on end.
I know the reason of this Wow succes BTW
Since TB, Wow is the ONLY MMORPG on the market where the PLAYER decides HOW he plays the end game AND still gets rewarded.
He can be 20 minutes on line or 20 hours but there is always tons of DIFFERENT stuff to do. He does NOT have to do raids or dungeons or quests or battlegrounds or Arena or level professions.
Instead HE can choose HOW he plays the game and still gets rewards to advance his avatar.
Arena is even becoming an e-sport for some.
Wow is so much more than your stand off the shelf doing PVE stuff series of quests these days.
The player has in fact a choice now.
WoW is successful because it runs on almost any pc that someone may have lying around, it's bug free, it's got tons of content and it's solo friendly (mostly), it's easily accessible and it's got some longevity. It's that simple. Simple, pretty much sums up WoW and most of it's playerbase lol
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nothing will "kill" wow. As the OP stated, UO is still online, and being played. So is EQ1, DAOC, AO, and most of the classics. AoC will steal a good amount of players from all games. Some will not like the active combat mechanics, some will not like the fact that they need a real PC to play it. Most will fall in love with it though, and stay. I think we'll have a couple million playing in a few months, and will probably stay around there. It's an amazing game, and I'm sure people around here consider me a "fanboi", but realistically I doubt more than a couple million people will meet the AoC target audience criteria.
Couple million ? You sir have very high expectations, Don't hold your breath waiting for the first million to show up.
I have high expectations because I've been playing the game, and I know those expectations are realistic.
Lol, prepare to be disappointed. It doesnt have enough to keep people interested. For some reason Funcom have some idea that nudity and gratuitous violence will keep people around. Even the little rubber people who will no doubt be dry humping their monitors for the first month won't be around for long.
The steep system requirements and yet another crumby launch on the part of Funcom will also help to lower the initial sub numbers. My guess is about 500K at launch and at the 3 month mark 250 - 300K. I dont forsee this game ever breaking the 1 million mark tbh.
Well guess what, Wow is now at 10.7 million (end of first quarter 2008) subscribers. They added 700 K active (paid) subscriptions in 3 months time. That 3 months gain alone is more than TRIPLE the complete current subscription numbers of LOTRO. Makes you think don't you. Those of us who play Wow as of patch 2.3 know exactly why gamers just keep paying to play. Those that don't play Wow just have no clue why. I have to laugh at players posting here that didn't even play the end game. Lvl 66 etc...LOL It just shows they don't know the game. Couldn't care less because I am convinced with the launch of the Lich King even 12 million is in reach.
Zorn with all due respect, and I say this as a current WoW player, I don't think you realize how many players there are that still play WoW simply because... well there's really not a whole lot else out there at the moment that appeals to us. Sure there are games like LOTRO, FF11, EVE, EQ 2... but WoW, at least for me, is the lesser of the evils. (and I say this having played those games , and enjoyed them for what they were.) While I can't speak for everyone, and i'm sure in fact it's more that I speak for a minority, there are those who will jump all over the next game that offers them a good polished NEW game that, frankly isn't WoW. Yes you are correct that WoWs current numbers are impressive, however I don't think it's 10.7 million completely mindless fanbois completely in love with WoW, more like 7 million teenagers, and a few million players just waiting for the next big thing to hit the market.
For those of you saying without a doubt AoC won't achieve such and such numbers, when WoW released did you think it would have 10 million subscriptions worldwide ever? I seriously doubt it.
Also for those that claim AoC will only have a niche market because of the IP, I supposed none of you had ever heard of the Warcraft franchise before Wow /sarcasm off
I'd say given the fact that WoW has pulled so many people into the genre, anything is possible as far as subscription numbers go.
For those of you saying without a doubt AoC won't achieve such and such numbers, when WoW released did you think it would have 10 million subscriptions worldwide ever? I seriously doubt it. Also for those that claim AoC will only have a niche market because of the IP, I supposed none of you had ever heard of the Warcraft franchise before Wow /sarcasm off I'd say given the fact that WoW has pulled so many people into the genre, anything is possible as far as subscription numbers go.
Will AoC run on pretty much ANY system?
Is AoC friendly to children or parents who play MMOs with their children as a family unit?
In case you are in ANY doubt, the answer to both these questions is a resounding NO and those are two of the biggest reasons that WoW is such a huge success subscriber wise.
AoC will not beat wow numbers for a simple reason. The M rating. There are alot of full families playing wow togehter. Now the parents may go and try AoC but the parents will not bring their kids over because of the blood and gore.
Think of it this way. WoW is geared toward botht the young and old while AoC is geared to mature players. That right there limits the market.
Now is it possiable that AoC can catch WoW? Sure anythings possiable but its very unlikly we will ever see another a game reach WoW like numbers.
WoW just hit the market at the perfect time with the perfect format for new and old players to jump in and play with little or no experence in gaming. As much as people (including me) bash WoW, WoW is a good game build around a user friendly Interface and user friendly game play.
There are more reasons why AoC will not kill WoW but I will not go into them.
For those of you saying without a doubt AoC won't achieve such and such numbers, when WoW released did you think it would have 10 million subscriptions worldwide ever? I seriously doubt it. Also for those that claim AoC will only have a niche market because of the IP, I supposed none of you had ever heard of the Warcraft franchise before Wow /sarcasm off I'd say given the fact that WoW has pulled so many people into the genre, anything is possible as far as subscription numbers go.
Will AoC run on pretty much ANY system?
Yes, just maybe not at high settings.
Is AoC friendly to children or parents who play MMOs with their children as a family unit?
I know what your getting at, but let me ask you a question to answer this. How many copies of GTA4 have already been sold? Rating means nothing nowadays.
In case you are in ANY doubt, the answer to both these questions is a resounding NO and those are two of the biggest reasons that WoW is such a huge success subscriber wise.
They are only a resounding NO in your eyes, because you don't want to see anything else.
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I never said, AoC would kill WoW or surpass it's numbers. I simply commented on some of the arguments that people are using to claim AoC will have poor numbers or lower than expected.
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Why should people even want it to be a WoW killer...as long as the servers you play on are populated then won't you be happy?
Becouse players want more mmorpg games that have pretty much same quality as WoW. No need be slaved to play 1 same game 3-8 year.
More games=more fun.
Who cares.. As far as I'm concerned "WoW Killer" means that it'll get me to stop playing WoW. I could care less about you.
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In case you missed this in the other thread about the EXACT same thing :
Do I think this game will kill WoW ? By itself is highly doubtful but maybe in time it will rival the numbers. Indirectly YES it will definitely contribute to the final death of WoW's reign on the industry (which they are well, well, above the next closet in the industry atm).
Why so? Because it is a new leaf being turned over in the industry, and the combination of AoC, WAR, Aion, TCoS, etc etc .. brings finally competition to such a dominated market all at the same time. Games like Aion will get less subs that AoC and those will get AT LEAST 200k. People want new fresh stuff, they are simply bored. I would bet we could do a poll and you would end up with at least 10 different big titles people are waiting on that have predicted release dates in the near future.
The market is going to get split up a bit and you know what..? WoW will be the one to ultimately suffer and it will eventually die...why do you think blizzard has plans on making their big new MMO?
The domination is gonna die look around AoC is friggn huge atm , if you think bliz ain't scared you are crazy.... I have logged into my server a few times this week in WoW and my guild said there are tons of big raiding guilds breaking up/looking for more, so i assume it is having a big impact already and just from this game.
This is what the guys down in the head office at blizz have been doing for the last 2 months
and it will only get worse as the time ticks and all the games release....
I play a lot of games...
Got to love all these electronic elitists...
WoW is a great game by most peoples' standards and will continue to be after AoC's release. That being said, I have left WoW already and preordered AoC.
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who really cares man....grow up
As long as the 10 year olds stay on wow, i honestly dont care if aoc beats them out. Just dont come on my server and crack chuck norris jokes.
+1 to you good sir
. I couldn't agree more.
another lame@ $ $ post. why do i come here?
To make lame replies?
As to hopes for 2M subs, I doubt it simply because atm there isn't that many gamers with the hardware to run this game well, especially once we get into the large scale fights.
Maybe in a year or so.....
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I dont like WoW, but pure, perfect sand box game will be WoW killer, soooo theres no WoW killer at least for some time.
SitH happens
WoW hit 10 million because it's fucking dumbed down crap that anyone from 5-105 years old can pick up and play. Sandbox mmo's will never appeal to an audience wide enough to threaten WoW's numbers. I prefer sandbox by far but expecting one to surpass WoW anytime soon is crazy.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
Like I really give two craps what "kills" WoW I can explain it like this:
The ONLY thing that will end WoW's reign is time. Look at what gives it staying power:
1) It runs on almost any machine. Working class people don't have to spend money on a bigger and badder rig. Kiddies don't have to beg mommy and daddy for a new computer.
2) It's far enough ahead it can dictate the market like it has been doing. ie: cut deals on box sets, expansion upgrades, monthly subscription fees, etc etc
3) They come out with expansions in a timely order. Just around the time the bulk of the people playing are growing weary on the treadmill or have reached the "carrot" they put the prize a little further away.
4) Marketing. Marketing. Marketing.
These are a few (but not all) and I'm fairly sure everyone who is familiar with this discussion gets my point.
I think AoC will do well in a niche market like SWG and LOTRO and other well known IP driven MMO. There is a dedicated following and it sound like the game is well made. I haven't tried it because Conan just isn't my thing( though if and when I upgrade my rig I might give it a go). But as far as being a WOW-killer, I think it's unlikly. WOW is a sucess because it appeals to the masses where as AoC and other more recognizable IP's cater more to it's fanbase.
Even though I'm not playing WoW anymore but are going to play AoC, i can tell you for sure that AoC won't kill WoW, nor anything will in the upcoming year(s).
WoW is a great game just get over yourselves..... We all had our fun in there so respect it for when you loved playing that game, whether it was simplistic means or for others, it was well polished and did a great job on trying to pretty much give everyone a nice piece of the cake.
Anyway this is getting old and stupid.
Hate WoW for all you want, it ain't going anywhere but up it seems. Even though that you, I, and many others will be playing AoC very soon, WoW will still grow and will still be the king of the hill. That's just how it goes and why bother with it anyway?
Enjoy whatever game you like, i know i do.
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Perhaps, just perhaps could it be that it has a very good game design?
These millions PAY to play for years on end.
I know the reason of this Wow succes BTW
Since TB, Wow is the ONLY MMORPG on the market where the PLAYER decides HOW he plays the end game AND still gets rewarded.
He can be 20 minutes on line or 20 hours but there is always tons of DIFFERENT stuff to do. He does NOT have to do raids or dungeons or quests or battlegrounds or Arena or level professions.
Instead HE can choose HOW he plays the game and still gets rewards to advance his avatar.
Arena is even becoming an e-sport for some.
Wow is so much more than your stand off the shelf doing PVE stuff series of quests these days.
The player has in fact a choice now.
WoW is successful because it runs on almost any pc that someone may have lying around, it's bug free, it's got tons of content and it's solo friendly (mostly), it's easily accessible and it's got some longevity. It's that simple. Simple, pretty much sums up WoW and most of it's playerbase lol
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
Couple million ? You sir have very high expectations, Don't hold your breath waiting for the first million to show up.
I have high expectations because I've been playing the game, and I know those expectations are realistic.
Lol, prepare to be disappointed. It doesnt have enough to keep people interested. For some reason Funcom have some idea that nudity and gratuitous violence will keep people around. Even the little rubber people who will no doubt be dry humping their monitors for the first month won't be around for long.
The steep system requirements and yet another crumby launch on the part of Funcom will also help to lower the initial sub numbers. My guess is about 500K at launch and at the 3 month mark 250 - 300K. I dont forsee this game ever breaking the 1 million mark tbh.
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Seriously guys, a WOW killer?
I'm sure WoW will be around for a long time.
I've never played it because it just doesn't interest me.
Anyway why are people wanting it to go away? I'm sure allot of people enjoy it. Especially if they're playing an mmo for the first time.
Like any game, or any thing for that matter... new people will play a game and people that have been playing for years will eventually move on.
Well, that's my 2 cents so
if you don't agree with me 
For those of you saying without a doubt AoC won't achieve such and such numbers, when WoW released did you think it would have 10 million subscriptions worldwide ever? I seriously doubt it.
Also for those that claim AoC will only have a niche market because of the IP, I supposed none of you had ever heard of the Warcraft franchise before Wow /sarcasm off
I'd say given the fact that WoW has pulled so many people into the genre, anything is possible as far as subscription numbers go.
Will AoC run on pretty much ANY system?
Is AoC friendly to children or parents who play MMOs with their children as a family unit?
In case you are in ANY doubt, the answer to both these questions is a resounding NO and those are two of the biggest reasons that WoW is such a huge success subscriber wise.
S
AoC will not beat wow numbers for a simple reason. The M rating. There are alot of full families playing wow togehter. Now the parents may go and try AoC but the parents will not bring their kids over because of the blood and gore.
Think of it this way. WoW is geared toward botht the young and old while AoC is geared to mature players. That right there limits the market.
Now is it possiable that AoC can catch WoW? Sure anythings possiable but its very unlikly we will ever see another a game reach WoW like numbers.
WoW just hit the market at the perfect time with the perfect format for new and old players to jump in and play with little or no experence in gaming. As much as people (including me) bash WoW, WoW is a good game build around a user friendly Interface and user friendly game play.
There are more reasons why AoC will not kill WoW but I will not go into them.
Sooner or Later
Will AoC run on pretty much ANY system?
Yes, just maybe not at high settings.
Is AoC friendly to children or parents who play MMOs with their children as a family unit?
I know what your getting at, but let me ask you a question to answer this. How many copies of GTA4 have already been sold? Rating means nothing nowadays.
In case you are in ANY doubt, the answer to both these questions is a resounding NO and those are two of the biggest reasons that WoW is such a huge success subscriber wise.
They are only a resounding NO in your eyes, because you don't want to see anything else.
S
I never said, AoC would kill WoW or surpass it's numbers. I simply commented on some of the arguments that people are using to claim AoC will have poor numbers or lower than expected.