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New Jedi system is Pathetic
admriker444
Member Posts: 1,526
What a joke, they replaced the old system of hologrinding with a new system of xp grinding. Also they added a timer,meaning every 9 weeks the village shifts (dont understand all the details). Apparently that means jedi isnt possible until 27 weeks (3 shifts) so we get to wait another 6 months. And thats if you dont miss a shift, like finish grinding whatever is required before shift occurs. Apparently, SOE thinks this is content. Actually, no they dont. They arent that dumb. This is a blatant attempt at keeping us playing for a while longer. "Oh by the way, please buy our precious JTL while you're still here." I understand its a company's job to keep me playing. However, SOE makes me feel like I slept with a skanky whore and need to go wash up before I puke from the smell. Where's my kiss, where's my flowers ? At least buy me dinner before you grope me SOE.
Oh, by the way I got banned today from posting on swg forums. No explanation, just flat out banned. I suppose it had to do with my post titled "new jedi system stinks"
/account cancelled for last time
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Well i think the problem lies in the fact SoE have no idea what to do without causing a flood of jedis.
If you make it quest based with no timer guaranteed there will still be a flood simply because people will do it no matter how hard it is.Trust an old hand on this.
As far as i am concerned the game was fine without player jedis.But they are here to stay.
What SoE fails to realise is that the pandora's box is open and it can not be closed.No one will rest until they have jedi and the subscription base thats left all want jedi.
So really doing anything that will take time or cut back on the numbers will just annoy the subscribers.
I said it a long time ago before i quit on the forum and think many like my idea(not the usual flaming got 90% positive response).
I said " give everyone a force sensitive slot".
Now for those that say(and honestly very few are left) we are not intrested in been a jedi.They will simply not develop it.
Those that are determined to be one.Here you go.
To say it kills the rest of the game and variety is totally wrong because.
1)ppl will grind,wait,hack,steal till they get one(if thats the main reason they come to SWG).So instead of having angry customers you have satisfied ones doing what they want.
2)he who does not want can continue been a weaponsmith or whatever.
3)variety and the rest of the game became secondary right after the first broadcast from vader saying"there is a disturbance in the force".AKA when the first slot opened.
Herc don't even bother bro. I've only been on this site a little while and I've learned to ignore this guys posts. For the month I've been here he's been saying he's cancelling his account. In his eyes Sony can do nothing right. He was here b!tching about the holo grind now he's here b!tiching about the new system. That's all he can do. He can't offer anything constructive has no ideas of his own on how to make things better, all he knows is how to whine and complain. Don't let him drag you down. Just wave and hope he finally does cancel his account.
Hmm, I remember that post (give everyone FS). I agree 100% it would have saved the game. No hologrind, no bitter player base, no more blindly grinding professions, no more afk dancers, etc.
The system being in the shape that its in, they should have just left it alone. What bothers me, and many others is they allegedly revamped it. That means a change for the better. Guess what, its not better its the same dam thing. Why am I upset ? Because if SOE took those wasted man hours and used them to fix combat and the bugs in-game we'd have a pretty decent game to play. Instead they choose to "revamp" to keep the player base around for a few more months till JTL comes out.
This is just another sickening ploy by SOE to keep us paying. They have no intention of fixing the game, thats not cost effective. They'll simply add more dumb pointless things like podracing (in typical SOE fashion, no pods or racing other players) and dress a few things up to make it look like works getting done. And the lapdog player base will say "thank you sir, may I have another." So grateful that they appreciate any gesture fro SOE.
This is so true
I can see people hating this game. BUt Admriker has some sort of fixation on it. Unfortunately, I no longer can take anything he has to say seriously.
First of all its scarey for someone to hate this game so much yet still plays it.
Secondly, this guy is mad bent on Hell's fury to do utterly nothing in his mmorpg.com life other than talk about the woes of SOE.
It got old back in June
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
before u knock what hes saying go to test center 2 and try out new system and see how "wonderful it is"
and even with bugs and all it will be pushed through to live there are tons of steal killing, almost impossible to do patrolls, or missions the major compliants on testing board is bugs
from crystal to dissappearing in data pad to others steal killing to impossbile, lag, and population explosion
i was there last night the progression was near impossible unless some measures are implemented
frankly unless u saw the curent stuff, bugs, warts ,and all you truely have no clue whats fixing to be fal rest of population
Ahh but isn't finding and fixing bugs what the test center is all about? It's supposed to be hard to get your FS, that's the whole point.
oh, Im not "disagreeing with some of his statements". I merely kinda tired at the way he presents them. I know there are a lot of bugs in SWG and this needs to be address if they wish to keep their game going. Also, its rather good to have these stronger bugs hitting the TC so they can remotley or try to get them fixed.
IMO, SWG is riddled with so many bugs, I don't understand how they could "approve" such faulty programming.
On the other hand, 1334 of my posts aren't about bashing the SOE company or SWG. That was what I was a little tired of seeing.
But I do agree with you
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
thank you endgama for qlarification;
remember many folks test on regular test center and was asked to play on test center 2 for a while before the popluation explosion
we have diligintly reported bugs that continusly knowningly went live the test center folks are tired of not being heard as well
what we saw was a sure disgrace we have seen things pushed through that had no business of being pushed through and that is what many feared and gave up the no voice of folks that were doing the testing and proud to help
i have no trouble with it being "hard" but what we saw any tkm /fencer /swordsman can complete almost everything soloing
except when interfered continualy with by other players Not the bugs
without completing missions you cannot go forward in your quests period so with continual steal killing which was rampet and no "ownership of crystal mission mobs you will see this pushed live and either be a part of it or chose to just shake your head and say yea we reported the problems but once again we were ignored ......................
the new system is just another long grind but since FR3 is getting nerfed to all hell no one will wantto be a jedi anymore, anyways.... so i dont care...
plus jedi get owned by melee fighters so why even be one? you get no armor, and 80% of the time you fight you're running away
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Can I have your stuff?
Seriously, it's about playing the game while you become jedi, not playing the game to become jedi. One of the devs posted that idea and I like it. Playing to become jedi is lame, becoming jedi while you play is awesome. It's much more role-play like.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
A bit of topic but holo grind did make me a lot of credits and actually added spice to my choosen profession- weaponsmith.
Before this i was getting totally bored of making 3 weapons- FWG5,scatters and flamethrowers.
Rest were gathering dust on my vendor .So eventually i was forced to produce only this 3 weapons with the ocassion laser rifle and carbine.
But then came hologrind and wow what fun.I could actually make fencer weapons and everything in the book lol.
Had a good 7 months in SWG i must say.
Yeah its off topic but memory thing you know
wise words.... I have unlocked 2 accounts already (way to much time on my hands), and what keeps on happening is i unlock, mess around with the jedi for a couple weeks, then decide to fill out my "permanent" template on my main... soon after that i get bored and decide to visit ebay.... you see... ive played this game so long doing nothing but grinding out professions that ive never really played the game...
So now im on my 4th account... no more grinding. if i decided i want a jedi again, ill be gated by the time delayed quest system. this means ill actually have to start really playing the game, or move on.... and i know there is stuff to do, plenty of content has been added since launch. (ive played since beta on and off through 4 accounts, and have not once been to one of the "dungeons" they added). plus the space expansion is on its way, been looking forward to that since beta.
I dont even want a jedi anymore... to play that is. been there, done that. the only reason Ill be unlocking for a third time is to make my account more valuable for the next time i sell...:)
Yeah, I think they did that so they can keep more members on. I think thats stupid too.
Actually if thats the real reason why you got banned, you should'nt have got banned. You have a right to speak your mind about a feature in a game (if you did explain somthing like this in your topic). They must have banned you cuz they don't what the newbies to know about it . . .or users to quit.
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Yeah, I think they did that so they can keep more members on. I think thats stupid too.
Actually if thats the real reason why you got banned, you should'nt have got banned. You have a right to speak your mind about a feature in a game (if you did explain somthing like this in your topic). They must have banned you cuz they don't what the newbies to know about it . . .or users to quit.
The game already has plenty of people that go bonkers if ANYTHING changes, and go bonkers if NOTHING changes. So no matter what the dev teams does, they can't win.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
I'm one of those long time members of SWG, who didn't really have the time, nor the urge to grind for professions that I would never want to be, just to get to jedi. Of course, if the 4th holocron would have told us which job the last one would be, then maybe I'd have been ready to swallow the bitter pill. It's bad enough having to grind 4 professions, that you probably would never play at all, just because you aren't interested in them. But since the 4th did not tell you what you needed to do, people were bound to play almost every profession. If they got lucky, they got it right away, doing the right choice in grinding. Good start, bad concept. The Publish 10 concept in general isn't all that bad, if only SOE would have brought that up right from the beginning instead of a year after release. Now, I agree with the people that say that it is nothing but moneymaking of SOE. I mean, isn't it kind of odd that "officially" the quest phases are on a 2-3 week basis instead of a 1 month one? You will never have the chance to cancel your account in the right time. Instead, you will be charged over and over again, even if you're just interested in completing the FS quests. Why not have 2 phases in one month?
Also I'd like to reffer to all the players who have been on the game for longer than a half year. We should just get the FS slot for playing the game for this long, and for shoveling money down SOE's throat.
When I logged on to the game, I got a damn picture of a Dunespeeder...Thanks, so that's my reward for paying you over a year? A picture that gives me nothing, but takes more space away from my house? Okay, all in all, these are the things I have been thinking about for the past few days, banging my head on my desk trying to get a clear mind, hearing all the rumors about the new jedi system. Now that it's all official, I'm at least giving SOE "a nother" chance, to see how everything turns out. If nothing changes, then I'd guess that SOE has shoveled their own grave on the SWG part.
End of transmission...teehee
Happy flaming.
Tsuwamono
It seems like you have misunderstood what I was trying to say. After a year of playing, you have seen pretty much everything, but the new jedi system won't really keep players motivated to stay. After this long, people like me tend to get tired of persuing the path of jedi, when it's always being changed and now turns out to take even more time. If you miss the phases, you're pretty much down to nothing, till the phases start over. Secretly, we all want to be jedi or at least try being one, right? And about the money thing: If you enjoy the game as it is, then stay till you get sick of it. It was my goal to become a jedi from day 1, but I accepted the fact that it was a random kind of thing at first, so I just forgot about it and played along. The holos lit a new fire, but it would still not get me where I wanted to be, since there was the "4th cube problem". Now, there is a more or less one-lined way to get there, but that would bind me to sit there and wait after finishing the first FS quest until I can do the next phase. If you have lots of time to play, go right ahead. I can't, because real life can be a curse sometimes
. Paying for something you enjoy is one thing but paying for something that demotivates you more and more is just wrong. (I will ignore replies like:"why don't you just quit then?" because I want to stay to the subject, which is about the jedi system)
Tsuwamono
Caught this on the official boards:
You unlock a skill branch with the quests and it remains for sure unlocked after a phase switch.
All you have to do is to wait if you need to unlock 2 skills in one phase because you can only do 1 quest in a phase. That means it will take at least 18 weeks to unlock all 6 skill branchs needed.
Damn them if that's how it will be on live.. 18 weeks, pathetic.
It's too late to mention now, but I still think The Old Republic would have been a much better setting (force sensitive people everywhere). That's the jedi system many people seem to want. (For the current setting, I'd have no player Jedi to try to stick with the story somewhat.)
Some things that people don't understand about the star wars universe.
1. Just because some things aren't mentioned in the movies.. doesn't mean they don't exsist in the star wars universe. It's been written in star wars books that there is still a jedi population in the "a new hope" time period. even tho a small one. the jedi are far from extinct. now sure a population of 5000 jedi would probaly not fit.. but so far in the game i've only seen a total of five player jedi. there may be more.. but i don't know that, and neither did the common population in the star wars universe.
2. You don't just wake up one day a jedi with a lightsaber in hand. becoming a jedi is a long path. under normal circumstances training starts in early childhood and can last well into a padawans 20's. in the games case you are on a very accelerated path.
3. Boba fett didn't die in the sarlacc in ROTJ
oh.. and my only one beef with the game isnt the new jedi revamp, or making brawler classes uber.. it's the cities on correlia being so damn small
. to me thats the one thing that makes me feel that i'm not in the star wars universe. traversing corenet by foot should take days.. if not weeks. tatooine is the only starter planet that actually looks star warsey.
It didn't seem to take Luke Skywalker very long. He meets this old guy in the desert, who GIVES him a lightsabre which he can use with a bit of skill a few days later on board the Millennium Falcon. I always thought any attempt to use a Lightsabre without long and extensive training usually ended up with you losing parts of your body.
Also, how long is it between the end of 'A New Hope' and the battle for Hoth in 'Empire'? Luke is already a fairly decent Jedi by the start of 'Empire' even before Yoda trains him. So all in all i reckon the game doesn't really show how easy it is to be a jedi and makes it a lot harder than in the films.
Matt