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if your a pc gamer...then you should have a good pc. /moved

HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460

im tiered of seeing people complaining about games havening to high system requirements...if your a serious pc gamer then you will keep your computer updated...to run games.

also...keeping a pc updates is not that expensive...sure the initial cost is pretty expensive ... but for the next couple years you really will not spend that mush on updates(if any)...(unless your a pc enthusiast)

also pc games give you tweaking options...for those with lower end rigs...


its like a console gamers will keep updated with the latest consoles...i don't see people with ps2 complaining at the lack of new games for it...

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  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    I disagree, respectfully.

     

     

    In fact, it surprises me the importance developers place on graphics (please see WoW if you're a developer reading this and still don't get it).

     

     

    If anything, more better graphics = less customers.  Content, world feel, gameplay, customization, opportunities to impact the game, and so forth are so much more important than graphics.

  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by declaredemer
    I disagree, respectfully.


    In fact, it surprises me the importance developers place on graphics (please see WoW if you're a developer reading this and still don't get it).


    If anything, more better graphics = less customers. Content, world feel, gameplay, customization, opportunities to impact the game, and so forth are so much more important than graphics.

    wow is 4 years old...graphics where fine at the time...

  • Shadow786Shadow786 Member UncommonPosts: 210

     

    If every company decided to keep the visual requirements the same, it will slow down the production and the  research and developments in providing faster processers/powerful graphic cards. There wont be no point in upgrading/ home users wont buy hardware for no increase in performance so the technological companies will have no reason or funding to continue

     

    Edit: damn it lol

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,087

    Originally posted by Housam


     

    Originally posted by declaredemer

    I disagree, respectfully.





    In fact, it surprises me the importance developers place on graphics (please see WoW if you're a developer reading this and still don't get it).





    If anything, more better graphics = less customers. Content, world feel, gameplay, customization, opportunities to impact the game, and so forth are so much more important than graphics.

     

    wow is 4 years old...graphics where fine at the time...

    The graphics are still fine actually, its the gameplay that could use an overhaul.

    Yeah, I agree, as a PC gamer for over 20 years it has been a constant struggle to upgrade/purchase new hardware to support my gaming hobby.  Console gamers have it easy, a new box every 3 years, and they cost between 250-750 bucks.  Gee, perhaps thats why they outsell PC games by about a 10 to 1 factor eh?

    PC game developers could take a few lessons from the console folks when designing their games.  Oh wait, Blizzard already did.

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  • FrutiFruti Member UncommonPosts: 32

    only if you have no other responsibilities other than keeping your self satisfied, once there are more than yourself to satisfy, everything changes

  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Housam

    Originally posted by declaredemer
    I disagree, respectfully.
    In fact, it surprises me the importance developers place on graphics (please see WoW if you're a developer reading this and still don't get it).
    If anything, more better graphics = less customers. Content, world feel, gameplay, customization, opportunities to impact the game, and so forth are so much more important than graphics.

    wow is 4 years old...graphics where fine at the time...


    The graphics are still fine actually, its the gameplay that could use an overhaul.
    Yeah, I agree, as a PC gamer for over 20 years it has been a constant struggle to upgrade/purchase new hardware to support my gaming hobby. Console gamers have it easy, a new box every 3 years, and they cost between 250-750 bucks. Gee, perhaps thats why they outsell PC games by about a 10 to 1 factor eh?
    PC game developers could take a few lessons from the console folks when designing their games. Oh wait, Blizzard already did.


    you could easily update you rig every 2-3 years fir 250-750 bucks...people just lack the knowledge

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    Originally posted by Kyleran


     
    PC game developers could take a few lessons from the console folks when designing their games.  Oh wait, Blizzard already did.

    You have to tip your hat to Blizzard, they do learn and create great games (Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft, and, yes, even WoW is great).

     

    Graphics are so overrated that they could even be a factor for a game's failure - Vanguard, e.g.

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    Originally posted by Housam


     
     


    you could easily update you rig every 2-3 years fir 250-750 bucks...people just lack the knowledge
    Enlighten us, 20 year old gamer.

     

    Some of us have to buy suits, tailor, car insurance, mortgages, etc. 

     



    We do not want to spend even more money on PC parts.  But, if you have a solution, enlighten us!

  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by Fruti
    only if you have no other responsibilities other than keeping your self satisfied, once there are more than yourself to satisfy, everything changes

    actually all i make all my money myself...and i also have to pay £10000 a year as i live out for uni

  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by declaredemer
    Originally posted by Housam
    you could easily update you rig every 2-3 years fir 250-750 bucks...people just lack the knowledge
    Enlighten us, 20 year old gamer.

    Some of us have to buy suits, tailor, car insurance, mortgages, etc.

    We do not want to spend even more money on PC parts. But, if you have a solution, enlighten us!


    actually i make all my money myself...and i also have to pay £10000 a year as i live out for uni

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by RiftScorn


    Rubbish.  After i have paid mortgage, tax, food, fuel, travel expense, utility bills, kids stuff, kids school stuff, clothes for my back - THEN i worry about keeping my PC to date.  All of  sudden PC updates do become a lot more expensive.
    Come back when you've grown up kiddo.
     

    No offense but if you can't afford to keep an up to date computer then you can't complain about the requirements being too high.  The whole gaming scene can't stop moving ahead because some people don't update their computers to play the latest and greatest.

    It's a Jeep thing. . .
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  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by Locklain
    Originally posted by RiftScorn Rubbish. After i have paid mortgage, tax, food, fuel, travel expense, utility bills, kids stuff, kids school stuff, clothes for my back - THEN i worry about keeping my PC to date. All of sudden PC updates do become a lot more expensive.
    Come back when you've grown up kiddo.

    No offense but if you can't afford to keep an up to date computer then you can't complain about the requirements being too high. The whole gaming scene can't stop moving ahead because some people don't update their computers to play the latest and greatest.

    thank you

    :)

  • altairzqaltairzq Member Posts: 3,811

    Nonsense. I'm a serious PC gamer and I refuse to spend 500-1000€ every year to update it.

  • Jerid13Jerid13 Member Posts: 465

     

    Originally posted by altairzq


    Nonsense. I'm a serious PC gamer and I refuse to spend 500-1000€ every year to update it.

     

     

     thats like saying if your a musician you MUST have a mint condition instrument or your not really a musician. Or saying only people who drive mustangs are car owners.

    Or only people who have million dollar homes are allowed to say they're home owners.

    ETC.

     

  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540

    It can get expensive if you order a ''gaming pc'' from a brand name company and the dicks add all priority parts in it and you are stuck buying there overpriced upgrades, I hate that, but i guess they gotta make money somehow.

    playing eq2 and two worlds

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,087

    Originally posted by Housam


     
     


    you could easily update you rig every 2-3 years fir 250-750 bucks...people just lack the knowledge

    Easily is such a relative term. You are correct, I lack the knowledge these days to re-build PC's these days and I have no interest  or time in doing so.  When it came time to get a PC ready for AOC this weekend for my son, I went to Best Buy and spent about 1800 in total for a new box, monitor and 3 year warranty. (plus tax.

    It should be good for about 2 years, but then we'll have to think about upgrading some components.

    Your figures are low.  The latest video card always costs 300-400 by itself, and that never accounts for fact you frequently have to buy new ram, new power supplies, new mother boards etc etc.

    And then..after all that, the homebuilt PC's tend to have tons of weird compatibility problems (I base this from the countless questions posted on forums like this one from just those sorts of folks) and its just not worth my trouble to mess with it. 

    Someday you'll understand, free time is the most precious commodity most working adults have, and its worth really can't be measured in dollars.

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  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by altairzq
    Nonsense. I'm a serious PC gamer and I refuse to spend 500-1000€ every year to update it.

    whi said you need to pay that a year...

    thats more like every 3 years...

  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Housam
    you could easily update you rig every 2-3 years fir 250-750 bucks...people just lack the knowledge
    Easily is such a relative term. You are correct, I lack the knowledge these days to re-build PC's these days and I have no interest or time in doing so. When it came time to get a PC ready for AOC this weekend for my son, I went to Best Buy and spent about 1800 in total for a new box, monitor and 3 year warranty. (plus tax.
    It should be good for about 2 years, but then we'll have to think about upgrading some components.
    Your figures are low. The latest video card always costs 300-400 by itself, and that never accounts for fact you frequently have to buy new ram, new power supplies, new mother boards etc etc.
    And then..after all that, the homebuilt PC's tend to have tons of weird compatibility problems (I base this from the countless questions posted on forums like this one from just those sorts of folks) and its just not worth my trouble to mess with it.
    Someday you'll understand, free time is the most precious commodity most working adults have, and its worth really can't be measured in dollars.

    buying the latest video card is only for enthusiasts...if you have a 8800 card you will be good to go till dx11 comes out...

  • HelliconiaHelliconia Member Posts: 11

    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by RiftScorn


    Rubbish.  After i have paid mortgage, tax, food, fuel, travel expense, utility bills, kids stuff, kids school stuff, clothes for my back - THEN i worry about keeping my PC to date.  All of  sudden PC updates do become a lot more expensive.
    Come back when you've grown up kiddo.
     

    No offense but if you can't afford to keep an up to date computer then you can't complain about the requirements being too high.  The whole gaming scene can't stop moving ahead because some people don't update their computers to play the latest and greatest.



    And if people like yourself didnt equate 'the gaming scene moving ahead' with better graphics, higher requirements etc, then we wouldnt need to update our pcs so often.
  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by Helliconia
    Originally posted by Locklain
    Originally posted by RiftScorn Rubbish. After i have paid mortgage, tax, food, fuel, travel expense, utility bills, kids stuff, kids school stuff, clothes for my back - THEN i worry about keeping my PC to date. All of sudden PC updates do become a lot more expensive.
    Come back when you've grown up kiddo.

    No offense but if you can't afford to keep an up to date computer then you can't complain about the requirements being too high. The whole gaming scene can't stop moving ahead because some people don't update their computers to play the latest and greatest.


    And if people like yourself didnt equate 'the gaming scene moving ahead' with better graphics, higher requirements etc, then we wouldnt need to update our pcs so often.

    WHAT...why shouldent we get some eye candy...if pc games didn't update there graphics then it will fall far behind the consoled and die...

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154

    Motherboard - $339.99

    Hard Drive - $89.99

    Power Supply - $139.99

    Processor - $184.99

    Video Card - $259.99

    Case - $21.99

    Ram - $124.00 (x2 $248.00)

    Total - $1,160.94 ($1,284.94)

    $1,284.94 / 24 months = $53.54 per month for two years

    The more expensive Motherboard will allow for expansion later on in the future. 

    This computer should be able to hold its own for quite some time and have room for upgrades.

     

    It's a Jeep thing. . .
    _______
    |___image|
    \_______/
    = image||||||image =
    |X| \*........*/ |X|
    |X|_________|X|
    You wouldn't understand
  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by Locklain
    Motherboard - $339.99
    Hard Drive - $89.99
    Power Supply - $139.99
    Processor - $184.99
    Video Card - $259.99
    Case - $21.99Ram - $124.00 (x2 $248.00)
    Total - $1,160.94 ($1,284.94)
    $1,284.94 / 24 months = $53.54 per month for two years
    The more expensive Motherboard will allow for expansion later on in the future.
    This computer should be able to hold its own for quite some time and have room for upgrades.

    thankyou

    peoblem is people lack knowledge...
    that is why Nvedia will change the naming system of their cards..to make it easier...

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Housam


     

    Originally posted by Helliconia


    Originally posted by Locklain


    Originally posted by RiftScorn
     
    Rubbish. After i have paid mortgage, tax, food, fuel, travel expense, utility bills, kids stuff, kids school stuff, clothes for my back - THEN i worry about keeping my PC to date. All of sudden PC updates do become a lot more expensive.

    Come back when you've grown up kiddo.







    No offense but if you can't afford to keep an up to date computer then you can't complain about the requirements being too high. The whole gaming scene can't stop moving ahead because some people don't update their computers to play the latest and greatest.





    And if people like yourself didnt equate 'the gaming scene moving ahead' with better graphics, higher requirements etc, then we wouldnt need to update our pcs so often.

     

    WHAT...why shouldent we get some eye candy...if pc games didn't update there graphics then it will fall far behind the consoled and die...

    This is happening already.  PC gaming has been a dying breed for some time.  Within the next generation of Consoles we will more then likely see the consoles equal if not surpass the PC in detail and cost.  Then everyone will be happy. . .

    It's a Jeep thing. . .
    _______
    |___image|
    \_______/
    = image||||||image =
    |X| \*........*/ |X|
    |X|_________|X|
    You wouldn't understand
  • unherdninjaunherdninja Member Posts: 331

    Well First,

    If you think a game needs to have great graphics to be good then you arent a true pc gamer IMO.

    Second,

    If you have the love for PC games then thats all you need to be a PC gamer. Hell when I first started out I had a basic stock hp computer. I played warcraft 3, red alert, WoW, and a few others. Ive upgraded my PC a lot since then but I'm still playing those same games :P...Recently added EVE to my collection.

  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460


    Originally posted by Locklain
    Originally posted by Housam

    Originally posted by Helliconia

    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by RiftScorn

    Rubbish. After i have paid mortgage, tax, food, fuel, travel expense, utility bills, kids stuff, kids school stuff, clothes for my back - THEN i worry about keeping my PC to date. All of sudden PC updates do become a lot more expensive.
    Come back when you've grown up kiddo.
    No offense but if you can't afford to keep an up to date computer then you can't complain about the requirements being too high. The whole gaming scene can't stop moving ahead because some people don't update their computers to play the latest and greatest.



    And if people like yourself didnt equate 'the gaming scene moving ahead' with better graphics, higher requirements etc, then we wouldnt need to update our pcs so often.



    WHAT...why shouldent we get some eye candy...if pc games didn't update there graphics then it will fall far behind the consoled and die...


    This is happening already. PC gaming has been a dying breed for some time. Within the next generation of Consoles we will more then likely see the consoles equal if not surpass the PC in detail and cost. Then everyone will be happy. . .

    im not sure about detail..but cos defiantly...as we saw with the ps3 and 360...prices where extremely high on release

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