The game is just like the real world, there are aholes all around. But usually the word "PvP server" attracts hordes of them. There is nothing really you can do about it except get in to a guild/groups/play with friends. Otherwise its better to play on a PvE sever, i am not saying that to be an ahole, its just a matter of experience. If it makes your playing experience better why not?
Ampris you seem like a decent person and I respect you for that. I am not a fanboi of AoC or one of these hardcore this and that guys but I will say this - what happened to you sucked but why post about it? Is it really surprising that there are complete and utter scumbag tools who happen to log off Xbox live for 10 minutes to gank? These people do exist and most of them are very immature but you can't let it bug you. Coming on to these forums to discuss it is your right. But I am seeing this as more of complaint than a discussion. There is nothing to discuss that guy was a douche, but your on a pvp server and should eat it like everyone else.
Want to know what I would do?
I would have come back and slayed his ass. Then I would ran to the nearest res point and camped him 3x for being a f*ck stick. I know that doesn't detract from what he did, but trust me it will make you feel better.
Stupid players are a plague now, because MMOS allow them to be total jerks and still succeed, not needing the help of others thanks to all the solo content.
You can thank WoW, who welcomed these players into their realm with open arms and changed the face of MMOs and the MMO market forever.
this is what happens when you merge: 1. Unrestricted free for all PvP without rewards and Punishment 2. Boobs for all to see 3. An immature community. Come over to a PvE server. You may still have the immature community but you wont have A-holes doing this to you anymore.
Couldn't of said it better myself, but I'll be stickin with the pvp server. It's more entertaining even if cheapness is there. They'll eventually mop up the current system and award punishment to gankers and hopefully a reward system to bounty hunters.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
Real supportive friends are more important than rules in a FFA PvP system. I remember back in Lineage 2, the whole guild would go down hunting the odd guy that was harrassing a guild member. We had zero issue going deep red. Who would attack an army of 10-20 red people without facing the same fate that the harrasser did? Our only issue were the rival guilds, but when you're commited to help a friend, you're going all the way. It was a risk worth taking.
It's a bit early for people to create social bonds. But it will happen. The friends you make are your most important asset in a game like this. Not the epics. Not the gold. Not the trophies.
It's got nothing to do with the type of server. It's just that after wow all the idiots and whinners joined the mmo bandwagon along with every1 else we enjoy having in our guilds. People act like retards in pve servers also. Sure they won't turn and kill but they can ks you, train you to get u out of the area, ninja your loot. The lvl of idiocy is absolutely the same, it's just the server rules that change.
RP-pvp servers, or pvp servers with altered grouping rulesets tend to have better quality crowd. That is a fact. If u need an explenation it's probably because most "hardcore" see the words rp or ruleset and go "ewwwwwwww carebear convention" and things like that. It may not be the case in AoC yet but it is most other games i have played. Even in shadowbane.
I'm passing through Conall's Valley, I come across a guy roughly 4 levels lower then I, getting attacked by 5 NPCs. Its obvious he is going to die, looks to be a ranger. I run up, pull three of the guys off him, he is able to handle the last two while I finish these three off. After the fight, he tells me 'thank you' and thet he was about to be killed. I move on and get jumped by 2 more NPCs just down the road, and he roots me and starts shooting me in the back. He kils me with very little effort, I revive and ask him what the hell was that about, and had a small conversation with him; with his replies being the following during the conversation. "Lol it was like over 9000", "You got owned -----", "your gonna get raped", "go reroll pve lolol" I told him I was definatly going to return for a more even fight, he said thats not how he rolls, and that he would be charging his laser waiting for me. When I got back he was no where to be found. This is NOT the first time I run into people like this, who are just absolute jerks. I don't mind picking a fight with someone, or having a grudge against a guild, but come on, do some people have any respect for anyone other then themselves
Omg, that is hilarious. I agree he was a jerk...but picturing the whole thing as you describe it is funny. No good deed goes unpunished I guess, lol.
I'm shocked. All these answers makes me wonder how much gaming scene has changed overtime. Lots of responses has "new age MMORPG has jerks" scene but to be honest, in games like UO where guilds had their own territory and miner/lowbie ganking was everyday was considered normal. newer games has restricted PvP to certain areas/factions and now if you finally have FFA you'd need etiquette before 'gank'. Yes, it was nice you to help him/her/it but doesn't mean he'll be nice back. Ofcourse it was bit jerkish but to be honest, I prob. would have done same, my general PvP mentality is be asshole but otherwise friendly & helpful.
I'm sure AoCs PvP scene will set in next 4-5months to certain areas to be general wellknown hotspots to get ganked by certain people, some known-but-not-written Conan-etiquettes which ALL MMORPGs have. Small example: WoW heroics un-needed blues DE, roll at end.
I'm passing through Conall's Valley, I come across a guy roughly 4 levels lower then I, getting attacked by 5 NPCs. Its obvious he is going to die, looks to be a ranger. I run up, pull three of the guys off him, he is able to handle the last two while I finish these three off. After the fight, he tells me 'thank you' and thet he was about to be killed. I move on and get jumped by 2 more NPCs just down the road, and he roots me and starts shooting me in the back. He kils me with very little effort, I revive and ask him what the hell was that about, and had a small conversation with him; with his replies being the following during the conversation. "Lol it was like over 9000", "You got owned -----", "your gonna get raped", "go reroll pve lolol" I told him I was definatly going to return for a more even fight, he said thats not how he rolls, and that he would be charging his laser waiting for me. When I got back he was no where to be found. This is NOT the first time I run into people like this, who are just absolute jerks. I don't mind picking a fight with someone, or having a grudge against a guild, but come on, do some people have any respect for anyone other then themselves
This tought guy, while he may eluded you now. He will build up his reputation and getting KoS by alot of players. Even if he switches instances it will be the same community getting revenge on him.
This is one positive thing with FFA. You can't really hide from the communitys revenge for being an idiot. Aswell as a guild of idiots will be collectively punished. While being punished is a relative thing.
I'm passing through Conall's Valley, I come across a guy roughly 4 levels lower then I, getting attacked by 5 NPCs. Its obvious he is going to die, looks to be a ranger. I run up, pull three of the guys off him, he is able to handle the last two while I finish these three off. After the fight, he tells me 'thank you' and thet he was about to be killed. I move on and get jumped by 2 more NPCs just down the road, and he roots me and starts shooting me in the back. He kils me with very little effort, I revive and ask him what the hell was that about, and had a small conversation with him; with his replies being the following during the conversation. "Lol it was like over 9000", "You got owned -----", "your gonna get raped", "go reroll pve lolol" I told him I was definatly going to return for a more even fight, he said thats not how he rolls, and that he would be charging his laser waiting for me. When I got back he was no where to be found. This is NOT the first time I run into people like this, who are just absolute jerks. I don't mind picking a fight with someone, or having a grudge against a guild, but come on, do some people have any respect for anyone other then themselves
These are probably unmature players, i guess children/teenagers....the socializing is just quiete often plain bad and dumb in this age
That's 1 person that you are basing all of AoC PVP'ers on. Almost everyone I have dealt with in PVP has been through guild wars and the one time I had a guy screw with me like that I hunted him down and killed him 3 times over the next 30 minutes. My friends and I have made his leveling in the Field of the Dead a living hell. He finally messaged me and asked for a truce, and when I ignored him he started seriously whining in chat saying we were going to make him quit playing if we didn't stop. It was a beautiful thing to see a griefer break down like this.
The best part is that you can remember his name and make his life hell later. Especially if you are in a guild and spread his name around. Don't judge entire populations on one or two people that is just putting your ignorance up on a pedestal for all of us to see.
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This could all be solved with an interactive alignment system.
If things you do in the game have resulting implications, then you begin to modify your behavior to achieve those implications.
For example, in the Original Poster's situation, he could have casted a spell or used an abilityl to detect evil on the fellow facing 5 opponents who was about to die. If the guy was evil or neutral, then he would have known to move on or help the 5 npcs finish him off.
To put it simply, you don't start off good. You have to do good things to acheive that status.
Interactions with other Players, not quests, should determine your alignment, because players can manipulate quests.
Anyhow, alignment would have helped in this situation...
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This could all be solved with an interactive alignment system. If things you do in the game have resulting implications, then you begin to modify your behavior to achieve those implications. For example, in the Original Poster's situation, he could have casted a spell or used an abilityl to detect evil on the fellow facing 5 opponents who was about to die. If the guy was evil or neutral, then he would have known to move on or help the 5 npcs finish him off. To put it simply, you don't start off good. You have to do good things to acheive that status. Interactions with other Players, not quests, should determine your alignment, because players can manipulate quests. Anyhow, alignment would have helped in this situation...
I like this idea , although, if the system can recognise when a player is good or evil (has been killing players much lower than them, or jumping players in fights)... I have a far easier solution...
After their 3rd fight-jumping/low lvl kill, the system forces them to drop any weapons they have and carry a huge 2 handed 'i'm a gigantic douchebag' sign for 24hrs of in game time. That way we all know who they they are, and they can no longer attack people
am i the only one here that knows what FREE FOR ALL PVP is ?
if you want a pvp server with rules ok i can understand that but that is not how the pvp server are, go play on the cultural pvp server, i think they have team rules on that i don't know never tryed it but stop trying to "fix' the free for all server, it is what the hard core pvp players want go and try to make funcom make you a pvp server with rules you want stop trying to ruin other peoples fun
and to let you all know i don't play on the pvp server couse i know what FFA is and i play MMO to relax if i want pvp i can use the MINI GAMES or i can join a guid for guild wars later on on my nice and safe PVE server
I had a similar experience in Archlord a year back. Was quite hilarious. This archer came from behind and started attacking me. He was 5 levels higher then I was. Sadly his armour wasn't even close to mine and so he I attacked him back. He was shouting haha noob, you're gonna get pwned, bla bla bla. Suddenly he realises that he's not doing as much damage as I'm doing to him. He tries escaping...I use a slow de-buff to stop him, and keep using my skills on him. He dies, and I just kept finding him and killing him after that just for the fun and to teach him a lesson about showing some respect.
Killed him about 7 times more coincidentally (random luck to find him) before he started begging me to leave him alone.
Now that was one great time I had. I've had similar experiences in Face of Mankind and other games. I miss those days of being the ganker of gankers. They are soooo much more fun to kill then innocent players cause they cry so much more.
If you intend to solo on a FFA PVP server, plan on being ganked for the rest of your playing time. That is the nature of the beast.
FFA PVP is all about having allies and guilds that do not tolerate other players backstabbing their friends and guildmembers.
Like Xasapis I played Lineage II and we made alliances, we had wars, and knew when it was time to go red. You could drop your main hand weapon/s and armor in that game when it was new.
But we and other players knew what guilds to fight and what guilds we were allied with. We put gankers on our black list and every where they were seen they were killed. If I went red and lost an item, the guild replaced it ! Trust me when I say this, items in Lineage II were very expensive.
FFA PVP is not for the feint of heart. It is brutal and when the servers settle down most gankers will have moved on, if they are on every guild's kill on sight list.
this is what happens when you merge: 1. Unrestricted free for all PvP without rewards and Punishment 2. Boobs for all to see 3. An immature community. Come over to a PvE server. You may still have the immature community but you wont have A-holes doing this to you anymore.
No offence but boobs has nothing to do with it, period.
This type of play happens in any other game that lets you do it, right down to even runescape. Take boobs out will these types of player still be there? yes of course.
It depends on what server you play on, RP-PvP servers generally have a better community, a code of conduct and on the most part respect.
Backstabbing is always going to happen.
fanboism much avery?
Sorry avery, AOC community is horrible, i mean it is even worser then world of warcraft and grouping isn't even needed.
And avery, your prey about how awesome sieges where . The pvp atm. at age of conan has the same level as world of warcraft . I know it has sieges but it doesn't matter, the whole pvp design = extremely flawed, yeah avery , if you like a griefer paradise then yeah, i can understand you but the majority doesn't. I come from UO and EVE and i say AOC pvp = totally flawed to the extreme.
There is no punishment, there iare no rules , no laws, nothing player controlled, there is nothing sandbox content at it , there are no politics what the developers claimed, there is nothing else then LINEAR.
hold your hands and never let.
That's a fact avery , a pure fact. And AOC isn't nowhere near what it should be.
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am i the only one here that knows what FREE FOR ALL PVP is ? if you want a pvp server with rules ok i can understand that but that is not how the pvp server are, go play on the cultural pvp server, i think they have team rules on that i don't know never tryed it but stop trying to "fix' the free for all server, it is what the hard core pvp players want go and try to make funcom make you a pvp server with rules you want stop trying to ruin other peoples fun and to let you all know i don't play on the pvp server couse i know what FFA is and i play MMO to relax if i want pvp i can use the MINI GAMES or i can join a guid for guild wars later on on my nice and safe PVE server
I have to agree here, most people really want a middle ground like the cultural server where they are experimenting with a ruleset. I hope this server becomes more popular as time goes by, there is nothing to say that this will stay as a culture ruleset, they are open to make any changes the masses seem to agree on so hopefully this becomes a success with a good rule set, but FFA is exactly that and should stay as that, if the server dies then so be it, but implemanting to many rules is pointless. Leave them as the y are.
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The game is just like the real world, there are aholes all around. But usually the word "PvP server" attracts hordes of them. There is nothing really you can do about it except get in to a guild/groups/play with friends. Otherwise its better to play on a PvE sever, i am not saying that to be an ahole, its just a matter of experience. If it makes your playing experience better why not?
Ampris you seem like a decent person and I respect you for that. I am not a fanboi of AoC or one of these hardcore this and that guys but I will say this - what happened to you sucked but why post about it? Is it really surprising that there are complete and utter scumbag tools who happen to log off Xbox live for 10 minutes to gank? These people do exist and most of them are very immature but you can't let it bug you. Coming on to these forums to discuss it is your right. But I am seeing this as more of complaint than a discussion. There is nothing to discuss that guy was a douche, but your on a pvp server and should eat it like everyone else.
Want to know what I would do?
I would have come back and slayed his ass. Then I would ran to the nearest res point and camped him 3x for being a f*ck stick. I know that doesn't detract from what he did, but trust me it will make you feel better.
You can thank WoW, who welcomed these players into their realm with open arms and changed the face of MMOs and the MMO market forever.
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Now that people are paying their subscription, reputation means everything in a PvP server. And payback is a plate server cold
Couldn't of said it better myself, but I'll be stickin with the pvp server. It's more entertaining even if cheapness is there. They'll eventually mop up the current system and award punishment to gankers and hopefully a reward system to bounty hunters.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Real supportive friends are more important than rules in a FFA PvP system. I remember back in Lineage 2, the whole guild would go down hunting the odd guy that was harrassing a guild member. We had zero issue going deep red. Who would attack an army of 10-20 red people without facing the same fate that the harrasser did? Our only issue were the rival guilds, but when you're commited to help a friend, you're going all the way. It was a risk worth taking.
It's a bit early for people to create social bonds. But it will happen. The friends you make are your most important asset in a game like this. Not the epics. Not the gold. Not the trophies.
Cant wait till this get ported to consoles.... gonna make the community even better
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It's got nothing to do with the type of server. It's just that after wow all the idiots and whinners joined the mmo bandwagon along with every1 else we enjoy having in our guilds. People act like retards in pve servers also. Sure they won't turn and kill but they can ks you, train you to get u out of the area, ninja your loot. The lvl of idiocy is absolutely the same, it's just the server rules that change.
RP-pvp servers, or pvp servers with altered grouping rulesets tend to have better quality crowd. That is a fact. If u need an explenation it's probably because most "hardcore" see the words rp or ruleset and go "ewwwwwwww carebear convention" and things like that. It may not be the case in AoC yet but it is most other games i have played. Even in shadowbane.
Omg, that is hilarious. I agree he was a jerk...but picturing the whole thing as you describe it is funny. No good deed goes unpunished I guess, lol.
Not sure why anyone would want to play on a PvP system where while you are questing and leveling up people can just walk up and 'gank' ya.
Its not skill , its not fair, its just plain lame.
I guess each to their own but Im having fun on PvE and I will be doing PvP seiges and mini games etc ... a fair fight no NPCs involved.
I'm shocked. All these answers makes me wonder how much gaming scene has changed overtime. Lots of responses has "new age MMORPG has jerks" scene but to be honest, in games like UO where guilds had their own territory and miner/lowbie ganking was everyday was considered normal. newer games has restricted PvP to certain areas/factions and now if you finally have FFA you'd need etiquette before 'gank'. Yes, it was nice you to help him/her/it but doesn't mean he'll be nice back. Ofcourse it was bit jerkish but to be honest, I prob. would have done same, my general PvP mentality is be asshole but otherwise friendly & helpful.
I'm sure AoCs PvP scene will set in next 4-5months to certain areas to be general wellknown hotspots to get ganked by certain people, some known-but-not-written Conan-etiquettes which ALL MMORPGs have. Small example: WoW heroics un-needed blues DE, roll at end.
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This tought guy, while he may eluded you now. He will build up his reputation and getting KoS by alot of players. Even if he switches instances it will be the same community getting revenge on him.
This is one positive thing with FFA. You can't really hide from the communitys revenge for being an idiot. Aswell as a guild of idiots will be collectively punished. While being punished is a relative thing.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
How exactly do you punish someone in this pvp system ? killing them is like who cares ?
In Ultima dying actually was punishment
LoL OVER 9000 ... pvp happend on a pvp server yada yada yada go cry me a river
These are probably unmature players, i guess children/teenagers....the socializing is just quiete often plain bad and dumb in this age
That's 1 person that you are basing all of AoC PVP'ers on. Almost everyone I have dealt with in PVP has been through guild wars and the one time I had a guy screw with me like that I hunted him down and killed him 3 times over the next 30 minutes. My friends and I have made his leveling in the Field of the Dead a living hell. He finally messaged me and asked for a truce, and when I ignored him he started seriously whining in chat saying we were going to make him quit playing if we didn't stop. It was a beautiful thing to see a griefer break down like this.
The best part is that you can remember his name and make his life hell later. Especially if you are in a guild and spread his name around. Don't judge entire populations on one or two people that is just putting your ignorance up on a pedestal for all of us to see.
This could all be solved with an interactive alignment system.
If things you do in the game have resulting implications, then you begin to modify your behavior to achieve those implications.
For example, in the Original Poster's situation, he could have casted a spell or used an abilityl to detect evil on the fellow facing 5 opponents who was about to die. If the guy was evil or neutral, then he would have known to move on or help the 5 npcs finish him off.
To put it simply, you don't start off good. You have to do good things to acheive that status.
Interactions with other Players, not quests, should determine your alignment, because players can manipulate quests.
Anyhow, alignment would have helped in this situation...
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What exactly counts as a good thing?
I like this idea , although, if the system can recognise when a player is good or evil (has been killing players much lower than them, or jumping players in fights)... I have a far easier solution...
After their 3rd fight-jumping/low lvl kill, the system forces them to drop any weapons they have and carry a huge 2 handed 'i'm a gigantic douchebag' sign for 24hrs of in game time. That way we all know who they they are, and they can no longer attack people
am i the only one here that knows what FREE FOR ALL PVP is ?
if you want a pvp server with rules ok i can understand that but that is not how the pvp server are, go play on the cultural pvp server, i think they have team rules on that i don't know never tryed it but stop trying to "fix' the free for all server, it is what the hard core pvp players want go and try to make funcom make you a pvp server with rules you want stop trying to ruin other peoples fun
and to let you all know i don't play on the pvp server couse i know what FFA is and i play MMO to relax if i want pvp i can use the MINI GAMES or i can join a guid for guild wars later on on my nice and safe PVE server
I had a similar experience in Archlord a year back. Was quite hilarious. This archer came from behind and started attacking me. He was 5 levels higher then I was. Sadly his armour wasn't even close to mine and so he I attacked him back. He was shouting haha noob, you're gonna get pwned, bla bla bla. Suddenly he realises that he's not doing as much damage as I'm doing to him. He tries escaping...I use a slow de-buff to stop him, and keep using my skills on him. He dies, and I just kept finding him and killing him after that just for the fun and to teach him a lesson about showing some respect.
Killed him about 7 times more coincidentally (random luck to find him) before he started begging me to leave him alone.
Now that was one great time I had. I've had similar experiences in Face of Mankind and other games. I miss those days of being the ganker of gankers. They are soooo much more fun to kill then innocent players cause they cry so much more.
If you intend to solo on a FFA PVP server, plan on being ganked for the rest of your playing time. That is the nature of the beast.
FFA PVP is all about having allies and guilds that do not tolerate other players backstabbing their friends and guildmembers.
Like Xasapis I played Lineage II and we made alliances, we had wars, and knew when it was time to go red. You could drop your main hand weapon/s and armor in that game when it was new.
But we and other players knew what guilds to fight and what guilds we were allied with. We put gankers on our black list and every where they were seen they were killed. If I went red and lost an item, the guild replaced it ! Trust me when I say this, items in Lineage II were very expensive.
FFA PVP is not for the feint of heart. It is brutal and when the servers settle down most gankers will have moved on, if they are on every guild's kill on sight list.
No offence but boobs has nothing to do with it, period.
This type of play happens in any other game that lets you do it, right down to even runescape. Take boobs out will these types of player still be there? yes of course.
It depends on what server you play on, RP-PvP servers generally have a better community, a code of conduct and on the most part respect.
Backstabbing is always going to happen.
fanboism much avery?Sorry avery, AOC community is horrible, i mean it is even worser then world of warcraft and grouping isn't even needed.
And avery, your prey about how awesome sieges where . The pvp atm. at age of conan has the same level as world of warcraft . I know it has sieges but it doesn't matter, the whole pvp design = extremely flawed, yeah avery , if you like a griefer paradise then yeah, i can understand you but the majority doesn't. I come from UO and EVE and i say AOC pvp = totally flawed to the extreme.
There is no punishment, there iare no rules , no laws, nothing player controlled, there is nothing sandbox content at it , there are no politics what the developers claimed, there is nothing else then LINEAR.
hold your hands and never let.
That's a fact avery , a pure fact. And AOC isn't nowhere near what it should be.
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the old days, the days of gold.
representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
played
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan
playing: EVE ONLINE
Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn
I have to agree here, most people really want a middle ground like the cultural server where they are experimenting with a ruleset. I hope this server becomes more popular as time goes by, there is nothing to say that this will stay as a culture ruleset, they are open to make any changes the masses seem to agree on so hopefully this becomes a success with a good rule set, but FFA is exactly that and should stay as that, if the server dies then so be it, but implemanting to many rules is pointless. Leave them as the y are.
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FFA is savage. Barbarian. Murder.
If you go in expecting people to play nice, you're gonna be leaving with one hell of a sore ass.
Shadowbane is another good example of this. People are animals; unfortunately, FFA pvp brings out the human in them.