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DubelDubel Member Posts: 138

The game feels stale.  Thats the best way to describe it.  If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play.  AoC failed and will be put in the pile right along side the other big dissapointment, Vanguard. 

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  • edmonaledmonal Member Posts: 188

    I disagree, I'm finding this game to be engaging and currently sucking up all my free time. It's not perfect, but then no game is. The only reason I'll bite on this topic is the title. If $50 is too much money for you to spend, then yes you need to be very careful on how you spend it. If it isn't then I think you should try the game. I'll try WAR when it comes out too, but I personally believe that you can't get a good sense of a game from forums or reviews. You either have to depend on the opinions of people you trust, or try it yourself.

  • Amon_AmarthAmon_Amarth Member Posts: 219

    No, no hold on a sec, I have something to say....... The game is friggen awesome. It's amazing! It's CONAN. Barbarians and Sorcery. Overall it's simply an awesome theme with top notch story, music, violence and of course graphics!! The game has many, many HOOKS that make me want to play every day and night. The game is not stale...you are stale. Leave Conan alone. It has not failed and will forever be victorious! I advise all to buy it. You will love it, for it is greatness.

    See now. My opinion is just as invalid as yours. The things you and I have said, are not going to change what other people do on this forum. Therefore your post, as well as my comments, were just pointless and no one is interested. So please, leave the AoC forums alone if you dislike the game and have nothing helpful to say. Go stick to the forums of the games you DO like.

  • MnemonicMnemonic Member Posts: 1


    Originally posted by Dubel
    The game feels stale.  Thats the best way to describe it.  If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play.  AoC failed and will be put in the pile right along side the other big dissapointment, Vanguard. 
    Harsh... but i agree.
    Canceled my subscription already.

    I may come back in a few month.

  • Kaynos1972Kaynos1972 Member Posts: 2,316

    I have to agree with the OP.  The above 2 person must have never played a really good mmo before.  A MMO is not just about graphics and combat crazyness like AOC, it's about content, it's about things to aim for.  In AOC there is none of that, nothing to aim for, the loot is utterly boring, nothing unique, nothing special, mobs drop the same crap all the time.   Add to that the fact that there is no trader, no useful crafting, the game has nothing to keep peoples playing months after months.  

    I know, i know the game is only a week old, but the lack of stuff to do would hurt the game, i dont see how peoples could stay on this game past the free month.

  • paladinumpaladinum Member Posts: 120

    anyone with half a brain..that played a real mmo can never say aoc is a good mmo...

    Good and real mmorpgs are games like swg, vanguard ( problem was bugs but they solved most of them)wow etc..games with big world, no loadings every zone..no instancing of the zones..one world common to all players..where i stand anyone can stand and see me real time..thats an mmo...

  • Psiho246Psiho246 Member Posts: 482
    Originally posted by paladinum


    anyone with half a brain..that played a real mmo can never say aoc is a good mmo...
    Good and real mmorpgs are games like swg, vanguard ( problem was bugs but they solved most of them)wow etc..games with big world, no loadings every zone..no instancing of the zones..one world common to all players..where i stand anyone can stand and see me real time..thats an mmo...

    Two of three game you mention failed utterly and the third game is what every experienced mmo gamer hates.

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  • bluedevil90bluedevil90 Member Posts: 6
    Originally posted by Psiho246

    Originally posted by paladinum


    anyone with half a brain..that played a real mmo can never say aoc is a good mmo...
    Good and real mmorpgs are games like swg, vanguard ( problem was bugs but they solved most of them)wow etc..games with big world, no loadings every zone..no instancing of the zones..one world common to all players..where i stand anyone can stand and see me real time..thats an mmo...

    Two of three game you mention failed utterly and the third game is what every experienced mmo gamer hates.

    SWG pre-cu was the best i have ever played and i have played 13 diff mmos never played vangaurd and the community killed wow and i will prob never try aoc it never really looked all that great to begin with

  • paladinumpaladinum Member Posts: 120

    Originally posted by Psiho246

    Originally posted by paladinum


    anyone with half a brain..that played a real mmo can never say aoc is a good mmo...
    Good and real mmorpgs are games like swg, vanguard ( problem was bugs but they solved most of them)wow etc..games with big world, no loadings every zone..no instancing of the zones..one world common to all players..where i stand anyone can stand and see me real time..thats an mmo...

    Two of three game you mention failed utterly and the third game is what every experienced mmo gamer hates.

    its your opinion..and to my list i can add all mmos that have no loadings and no instancing...

    i dont talk about the world size because any mmo is bigger then aoc atm

  • elfstone222elfstone222 Member Posts: 36

    "If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play"





    "Good and real mmorpgs are games like swg, vanguard ( problem was bugs but they solved most of them)wow etc..games with big world, no loadings every zone..no instancing of the zones..one world common to all players..where i stand anyone can stand and see me real time..thats an mmo.."

    **everything above is sheer opinion based on what these two people like in an MMO, there are no factual, unbiased, or productive attempts to relate to anything specific in the game, they are just presenting an argument that the game is not good based on their opinion on what a good game is and their own shortcomings with the game**

     

    "anyone with half a brain..that played a real mmo can never say aoc is a good mmo..."



    "I have to agree with the OP.  The above 2 person must have never played a really good mmo before."

     

    **The above two statements are idiotic and irrelevant personal attacks also based on opinion with no factual basis and have no bearing on whether or not the game is actually good or bad**

     

    If you want to argue about why you "think" or "feel" the game is bad, go post in one of the few hundred threads that already have that premise, don't make a new one just because you think your opinion is somehow better, or more informed than all the other people here that have played MMO's for just as long, if not longer than you have.

     

  • ShanniaShannia Member Posts: 2,096

    Originally posted by paladinum


     
    Originally posted by Psiho246

    Originally posted by paladinum


    anyone with half a brain..that played a real mmo can never say aoc is a good mmo...
    Good and real mmorpgs are games like swg, vanguard ( problem was bugs but they solved most of them)wow etc..games with big world, no loadings every zone..no instancing of the zones..one world common to all players..where i stand anyone can stand and see me real time..thats an mmo...

    Two of three game you mention failed utterly and the third game is what every experienced mmo gamer hates.

    its your opinion..and to my list i can add all mmos that have no loadings and no instancing...

     

    i dont talk about the world size because any mmo is bigger then aoc atm

    In an MMORPG where they are trying for millions of subscribers, you can't have quality graphics like AoC has without giving up something.  That something was population control which resulted in Age of Clonan (mulitple clones of the same zone on the same server).  Like it or not, that is the decision Funcom decided to roll with.  For me, it was part of the deal breaker as far as I was concerned.  IMHO, gameplay > graphics but I suspect I'm in the minority on this issue.

     

    Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

    "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and their own preferences. Variety is a good thing ;)

  • elfstone222elfstone222 Member Posts: 36

    Graphics and game play isn't a "one or the other" option, a game needs to have both to succeed in the current market. If you're really so painfully vexed by 10 second loading zones, you're just an impatient gamer. I fail to see how "zoning" for population/graphics control is automatically tied to a flaw in game play overall. Instancing is a bit different, depending on it's implimentation, but I still can't see why someone would instantly relate and idea like that to bad game play unless they were just set off by a bad experience, or some other individual bias that's irrelevant to the current game.

  • pinkapples69pinkapples69 Member Posts: 53
    Originally posted by elfstone222


    "If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play"





    "Good and real mmorpgs are games like swg, vanguard ( problem was bugs but they solved most of them)wow etc..games with big world, no loadings every zone..no instancing of the zones..one world common to all players..where i stand anyone can stand and see me real time..thats an mmo.."
    **everything above is sheer opinion based on what these two people like in an MMO, there are no factual, unbiased, or productive attempts to relate to anything specific in the game, they are just presenting an argument that the game is not good based on their opinion on what a good game is and their own shortcomings with the game**
     
    "anyone with half a brain..that played a real mmo can never say aoc is a good mmo..."



    "I have to agree with the OP.  The above 2 person must have never played a really good mmo before."
     
    **The above two statements are idiotic and irrelevant personal attacks also based on opinion with no factual basis and have no bearing on whether or not the game is actually good or bad**
     
    If you want to argue about why you "think" or "feel" the game is bad, go post in one of the few hundred threads that already have that premise, don't make a new one just because you think your opinion is somehow better, or more informed than all the other people here that have played MMO's for just as long, if not longer than you have.
     

    I want to hug you :) goodjob my friend

  • ShneakyOneShneakyOne Member UncommonPosts: 156

    I have played atleast 30+ MMO's both subscription paid and free. I would have have to say that AoC has that hook for me. Reason is the PvP. I consider myself to be a PvP fanatic. I have played it in every game I have ever played.... as long as it's within the game. That hook you are talking about, is the PvP for. And AoC has that hook for the PvP, that keeps me coming back for more.

     

    Just throwing this out there... WoW has had over 10 million copies sold,  and Guildwars has had over 7 million copies sold. I don't know of any other game that comes close to those numbers, but assuming that WoW is the 800 pound gorilla, and guildwars is right behind it... look what kind of game guildwars is. It's a completely instanced game, with very little "MMO" about it. However, it is the second most successful game that has the title of "MMO" (success based on sales). That being said, AoC is a big collaboration of the two games, and they pull it off VERY nicely.

     

    All in all, I have incredibly happy with buying this game, and it's the only game I have ever played that has actually made me go out and upgrade my computer just to play this game.

  • edmonaledmonal Member Posts: 188

    Great summation elfstone.

     

    As for those other "insightful" people: I have played swg pre and post cu as well as trying nge, eq2, ao, lotro, vsoh, ffxi, ddo and wow. Unless we agree on our experiences in those games then your statement is no truer then mine.

     

    You also missed the point. I said I liked the game, but I don't presume others will. I do believe that the only way to make an intelligent decision is to try it yourself. Even then if you don't have the rig to play it, or are deeply offended by instancing, or nudity, or the experience of  a brand new MMO then stay away. Do not depend on these or any other forums to get a true idea of what the game is like.

  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050

    Originally posted by Aguitha


    I have to agree with the OP.  The above 2 person must have never played a really good mmo before.  A MMO is not just about graphics and combat crazyness like AOC, it's about content, it's about things to aim for.  In AOC there is none of that, nothing to aim for, the loot is utterly boring, nothing unique, nothing special, mobs drop the same crap all the time.   Add to that the fact that there is no trader, no useful crafting, the game has nothing to keep peoples playing months after months.  
    I know, i know the game is only a week old, but the lack of stuff to do would hurt the game, i dont see how peoples could stay on this game past the free month.

    your point touches to heart upon my point of view..

    there needs to be more incentives then running from A to B or killing X mobs  

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  • BlackWatchBlackWatch Member UncommonPosts: 972

    I'd never buy this game for the lore or any of that anyway.  I wouldn't be buying it for b00bs or gore, either. 

    The things that would get me to buy this game:

    Gameplay... quests, UI, combat, game performance, appearance, etc.,..

    Custom Characters... creation/generation, development (stats/skills/abilities), gear, appearance, and reputation

    Community... factions, guilds, cities, etc.,...

    ...

    If the story or lore of the game were glorious and incredible, yet those other features were terrible... no way in hell I'd play the game. 

    So, if those othere features are there... why not give the game a shot?  I mean, I think most people are just being impractical about having this game pitted vs WAR.  They launched at diff times... why not try them both?

     

     

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  • marmagmarmag Member UncommonPosts: 72
    Originally posted by Mnemonic


     

    Originally posted by Dubel

    The game feels stale.  Thats the best way to describe it.  If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play.  AoC failed and will be put in the pile right along side the other big dissapointment, Vanguard. 
    Harsh... but i agree.

    Canceled my subscription already.

     

    I may come back in a few month.



    No, stay away from this game. We don't want you here or in game. Less lag for us.

  • HybrusHybrus Member Posts: 11

    Originally posted by edmonal


    ...but I personally believe that you can't get a good sense of a game from forums or reviews. You either have to depend on the opinions of people you trust, or try it yourself.

    You sir, are wonderful. If everyone thought this way, then the flames and fanbois for X Title would cease to argue about the same topics 3000 times.

     

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  • Xanti2Xanti2 Member Posts: 3

    How much is the game and how much do have to pay everymonth just play the game? Because to be honest...theres no free to play game out there that meets my needs for "fun", the only game that has EVER made me addicted was WoW but only for the 10 day trial...soon as i started paying for it to play much longer i got completely put off... I hate getting put off good games, but i guess the bad parts about the games just make the game play bad...

  • HybrusHybrus Member Posts: 11

    Originally posted by Xanti2


    How much is the game and how much do have to pay everymonth just play the game? Because to be honest...theres no free to play game out there that meets my needs for "fun", the only game that has EVER made me addicted was WoW but only for the 10 day trial...soon as i started paying for it to play much longer i got completely put off... I hate getting put off good games, but i guess the bad parts about the games just make the game play bad...
    It's the standard $50buy/$15 play with a free month included.

    Sounds like you are in the wrong market. You want free to play, then console might be the choice for you.

    Otherwise, it either Fee Based, or free with purchasable content (e.g. most korean-type mmos).

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  • eccotoneccoton Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Originally posted by Dubel


    The game feels stale.  Thats the best way to describe it.  If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play.  AoC failed and will be put in the pile right along side the other big dissapointment, Vanguard. 

    Kids running around topless? I have seen one topless character since release. No HOOK? The hook is the combat system and fantastic graphic. If you do not like them then I guess no hook. I happen to love them so no problem. Along side Vanguard? Buyer Beware? You really gave no reason for the buyer to beware. If you actually played AoC (from the lack of facts I wonder.) then you simply did not like it that is all. AoC is a polished fun game with a fantastic combat system and a wonderful world to explore. Buy I recommend giving it a try you have nothing to beware of.

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    Its a mildly entertaining game so far for me. A few things I thought were amusing were:

    1. ! and ? above quest giver heads, as well as arrows pointing which direction to go. Kills exploration.

    2. Greed, Need, Pass on items when in a group.

    3. Resurrection sickness that stacks

    4. Difficulty colored mobs

    5. When mobs don't give any more exp ( are grey ) they don't attack you.

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • HybrusHybrus Member Posts: 11

     

    Originally posted by eccoton

    Originally posted by Dubel


    The game feels stale.  Thats the best way to describe it.  If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play.  AoC failed and will be put in the pile right along side the other big dissapointment, Vanguard. 

    Kids running around topless? I have seen one topless character since release. No HOOK? The hook is the combat system and fantastic graphic. If you do not like them then I guess no hook. I happen to love them so no problem. Along side Vanguard? Buyer Beware? You really gave no reason for the buyer to beware. If you actually played AoC (from the lack of facts I wonder.) then you simply did not like it that is all. AoC is a polished fun game with a fantastic combat system and a wonderful world to explore. Buy I recommend giving it a try you have nothing to beware of.

    Im sorry, AoC is not polished. Post lv 30, feels like it wasn't even tested. Need proof? Scroll though the 45 pages of "You are paying for a beta" and "Aoc ________ sucks" threads in the hirarchy above me.

     

     

    Combat and graphics hooks are for games like God of War. After so long, the combat and graphics get old. Period. Every game, ever.

     

    Now, where are the wonderfully built and engaging instances/dungeons, the awesome loot, the exploration (that is ruined by a hand-holding noobie quest system), where are the awesome mobs?

     EDIT: Not to mention the PvP (or lame excuse for it), lack of any really engaging boss mobs, varied combat types, on and on and on....

    THAT is content. Correct me if im wrong.

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  • ShoalShoal Member Posts: 1,156

    Originally posted by Dubel


    The game feels stale.  Thats the best way to describe it.  If you like kids running around topless, then this will probably be fun for you for a few days at most.  Thats really all this game has to offer.  There is no HOOK that makes you want to come home and log on right away. Nothing that makes you feel like staying home from school or work to play.  AoC failed and will be put in the pile right along side the other big dissapointment, Vanguard. 
    100% agree.   And, to  top it off, 1st person mode is broken so bad that the game is unplayable in any meaningful way.

    However, have decided to give V:SoH another try.  It is probably now at about the state it should have been at release.  Still has some performance problems.   Still has some bugs that should have been fixed by now.  Still has a largely empty, and static world.  But, all that being said, it is still the most mature (after EQ1)  PVE MMORPG around.  So, having a good time with it.

    AoC account canceled.  I cannot imagine a bigger draw for the kiddies than Console PvP & Boobies.

    Just my 2c

    Good Hunting

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