Originally posted by dsebutchr ... The article has pretty much convinced me that Vista will be the gaming OS of the future. ...
It's not like there are any options, Microsoft has made the decree and we will follow, there is no choice - unless you want to dump PC gaming and go with consoles exclusively. Not a bad option, unless you're a MMO fiend. (No, lets not mention linux and Mac's, I've a bit of a cold and don't want to risk laughing myself into a coughing fit, I may not recover.)
Vista is where it's at for gaming. Honestly, you're wasting your time if you go back to XP. It's going to be obsolete pretty soon anyway, as more DX10 games come out. Vista is extremely stable in the 32 bit version. I've had no troubles running any new games, and countless old games as well. Come to think of it, Vista has been a dream as far as stabilty goes. Many people are running the 64 bit version of Vista expecting it to be just another upgrade, thinking they can run old programs and stuff, only to find they can't. Noobs who don't know any better :P Trash XP. It's old News. Go with Vista 32 right now. Move to Vista 64 in a year or so when compatibility is better.
Your missing the point here.... this guy has a 7950 GTX (DX9) card, why run Vista when you will get no benefit for the card? It's not DX10...all you are getting is a system that looks prettier but uses way more resources.
Honestly, if you want the extra frames which is what you need for gaming, stick with XP until you have a DX10 card.
A lot of misinformation in this thread. I just recently upgraded to Vista 64-bit and here are my thoughts:
If you don't have the money to shell out for 4gig or more, then stick with XP. 32-bit OS can only address 4Gig of RAM and Windows only allows you to see at most 3Gig (with a hack). The game could probably use any amount of RAM it can see and you'd benefit from increased texture cache to system memory if you have that extra RAM. The problem is you have to get the extra RAM and have ALL of it available. That would require going to Vista 64-bit.
Concerning DX10. The game uses shader model 3.0 which is pretty close to what you'd see running DirectX10. Most people revert to shader model 2.0 to get the big speed improvement but there's just no comparison between the two - 3.0 >>>> 2.0.
In the end, everyone will move to Vista 64-bit because of the RAM limitations of the 32-bit machines. The question is whether you want to do it now or later..
I think most people that say vista sucks or is crap have never even used it, its all hearsay.
I personally have 2 computers, a desktop with E6600, geforce8800gt, and 4 gigs of ram, and vista Ultimate has never crashed on me once, age of conan runs awesome on high settings with around 50-60 FPS.
My laptop has 2 gigs of ram, geforce 8400, and core2duo--dont remember the chip. It has vista home premuim, and again has never crashed. I have not tried age of conan on this laptop.
I think vista is very stable, and I work in IT, and have my MCSE. I dont claim to know it all, but we use XP at work, and its far from perfect.
I think Microsoft has finalyl made a great product with Vista.
Can someone explain me what is the point of Vista 32? As I understand Vista uses alot more RAM and leaving less for games and 32 bit system only supports RAM up to 2,5 GB or something. Maybe Vista 64 is good if you buy 4-8 GB of RAM ?
I just recently bought Vista 64 and installed it last night after hearing a lot of people say it is much better then when it first came out. Honestly it really wasnt only Vista's fault it was also the hardware and software dealers who didnt keep up with the changing times and having drivers ready to go.
I have been able to find 64 bit drivers for everything I have been using, Vista installed easier then any other OS I have installed and was smooth. I would say the biggest problem at the moment is just getting used to where everything is, not that this is really a problem just more of adjusting to change.
I was always against installing Vista up until a month or so ago when I decided to do more research and see how things have come along and I must say I am happy I upgraded and it is nice to see the OS recognize all of my memory as well. Age of Conan installed and ran fine, same FPS as I was getting in XP, just make sure you have SP1 installed or Conan will not load.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there, 80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters. Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior, and he will bring the others home. -Heraclitus 500BC
stick on XP... all i can say... Vista will be the next Windows ME in Microsoft view... won't work... if you want to use more Ram, buy the XP 64 bits... will work with all 32 bits drivers and you can use as many Ram as you want. If Vista was all that good, why would Microsoft plan a new OS release before the end of this year?
Oh well, your call... it's just a tip that i'm taking for myself.
I personally have 2 computers, a desktop with E6600, geforce8800gt, and 4 gigs of ram, and vista Ultimate has never crashed on me once, age of conan runs awesome on high settings with around 50-60 FPS.
People are VERY misleading about the graphics performance on this game with the video cards.
You are NOT seeing 50-60fps with Shader Model 3.0 in a city. Period. The game is almost a slideshow in a city with Shader Model 3.0. I don't care WHAT rig you have.
stick on XP... all i can say... Vista will be the next Windows ME in Microsoft view... won't work... if you want to use more Ram, buy the XP 64 bits... will work with all 32 bits drivers and you can use as many Ram as you want. If Vista was all that good, why would Microsoft plan a new OS release before the end of this year? Oh well, your call... it's just a tip that i'm taking for myself.
No attempt at being misleading at all, I installed the game, went into video options, turned everything on high, and viewing distances on max, not sure if i changed the shader or not, if theres an option for high, i turned it on high, and my FPS was between 50-60 all night last night, and i had 0 video lag, and my ping was 100 all night, game worked perfect for me on my first day.
No attempt at being misleading at all, I installed the game, went into video options, turned everything on high, and viewing distances on max, not sure if i changed the shader or not, if theres an option for high, i turned it on high, and my FPS was between 50-60 all night last night, and i had 0 video lag, and my ping was 100 all night, game worked perfect for me on my first day.
Putting settings on High doesn't tell me much. What are your shadow settings? How about Ambient Occlusion? Rendering Grass? Is Parallax mapping set to ON? What videocard do you have? What's your max resolution you have the game set to?
Take a screenshot in a very populated area of the city with your cursor showing the FPS.
No attempt at being misleading at all, I installed the game, went into video options, turned everything on high, and viewing distances on max, not sure if i changed the shader or not, if theres an option for high, i turned it on high, and my FPS was between 50-60 all night last night, and i had 0 video lag, and my ping was 100 all night, game worked perfect for me on my first day.
Putting settings on High doesn't tell me much. What are your shadow settings? How about Ambient Occlusion? Rendering Grass? Is Parallax mapping set to ON? What videocard do you have? What's your max resolution you have the game set to?
Take a screenshot in a very populated area of the city with your cursor showing the FPS.
I have a EVGA 8800GT, Core2Due e6600, and 4 gigs of 533/mhz ram. I installed the game, went into advanced options, everything that had an option for "low meduim high" i set to high, I set viewing ranges on Max. I played the game for around 2-3 hours, hit lvl 10, everytime i checked my FPS it was between 50-60, one point it even hit 70. Im at work now, i dont have a screenshot to post, and dont know if those settings you used are turned on. Im running vista 32bit ultimate, without SP1. My loading screens are around 5-10 secs. I experience 0 video lag, 0 screen tearing, and 0 network lag, my ping was around 100ms all night, I have a 6.0MB dedicated DSL line.
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It's not like there are any options, Microsoft has made the decree and we will follow, there is no choice - unless you want to dump PC gaming and go with consoles exclusively. Not a bad option, unless you're a MMO fiend. (No, lets not mention linux and Mac's, I've a bit of a cold and don't want to risk laughing myself into a coughing fit, I may not recover.)
LoL'd when PC manufacturers starting reinstated the option of XP after the Vista fiasco.
I for one will be waiting for about a year for 3rd party companies to all catch up and for Vista SP2.
By then I think I will be forced to make the costly, resource hog, move to Vista.with gritted teeth
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Your missing the point here.... this guy has a 7950 GTX (DX9) card, why run Vista when you will get no benefit for the card? It's not DX10...all you are getting is a system that looks prettier but uses way more resources.
Honestly, if you want the extra frames which is what you need for gaming, stick with XP until you have a DX10 card.
A lot of misinformation in this thread. I just recently upgraded to Vista 64-bit and here are my thoughts:
If you don't have the money to shell out for 4gig or more, then stick with XP. 32-bit OS can only address 4Gig of RAM and Windows only allows you to see at most 3Gig (with a hack). The game could probably use any amount of RAM it can see and you'd benefit from increased texture cache to system memory if you have that extra RAM. The problem is you have to get the extra RAM and have ALL of it available. That would require going to Vista 64-bit.
Concerning DX10. The game uses shader model 3.0 which is pretty close to what you'd see running DirectX10. Most people revert to shader model 2.0 to get the big speed improvement but there's just no comparison between the two - 3.0 >>>> 2.0.
In the end, everyone will move to Vista 64-bit because of the RAM limitations of the 32-bit machines. The question is whether you want to do it now or later..
I think most people that say vista sucks or is crap have never even used it, its all hearsay.
I personally have 2 computers, a desktop with E6600, geforce8800gt, and 4 gigs of ram, and vista Ultimate has never crashed on me once, age of conan runs awesome on high settings with around 50-60 FPS.
My laptop has 2 gigs of ram, geforce 8400, and core2duo--dont remember the chip. It has vista home premuim, and again has never crashed. I have not tried age of conan on this laptop.
I think vista is very stable, and I work in IT, and have my MCSE. I dont claim to know it all, but we use XP at work, and its far from perfect.
I think Microsoft has finalyl made a great product with Vista.
Can someone explain me what is the point of Vista 32? As I understand Vista uses alot more RAM and leaving less for games and 32 bit system only supports RAM up to 2,5 GB or something. Maybe Vista 64 is good if you buy 4-8 GB of RAM
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not all companys make products or support for 64 bit OS, so say you buy a HP printer, its driver may only work in 32 bit OS.
I mean if you use PC purely for gaming.
I just recently bought Vista 64 and installed it last night after hearing a lot of people say it is much better then when it first came out. Honestly it really wasnt only Vista's fault it was also the hardware and software dealers who didnt keep up with the changing times and having drivers ready to go.
I have been able to find 64 bit drivers for everything I have been using, Vista installed easier then any other OS I have installed and was smooth. I would say the biggest problem at the moment is just getting used to where everything is, not that this is really a problem just more of adjusting to change.
I was always against installing Vista up until a month or so ago when I decided to do more research and see how things have come along and I must say I am happy I upgraded and it is nice to see the OS recognize all of my memory as well. Age of Conan installed and ran fine, same FPS as I was getting in XP, just make sure you have SP1 installed or Conan will not load.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
stick on XP... all i can say... Vista will be the next Windows ME in Microsoft view... won't work... if you want to use more Ram, buy the XP 64 bits... will work with all 32 bits drivers and you can use as many Ram as you want. If Vista was all that good, why would Microsoft plan a new OS release before the end of this year?
Oh well, your call... it's just a tip that i'm taking for myself.
People are VERY misleading about the graphics performance on this game with the video cards.
You are NOT seeing 50-60fps with Shader Model 3.0 in a city. Period. The game is almost a slideshow in a city with Shader Model 3.0. I don't care WHAT rig you have.
Thats a very uneducated response.
No attempt at being misleading at all, I installed the game, went into video options, turned everything on high, and viewing distances on max, not sure if i changed the shader or not, if theres an option for high, i turned it on high, and my FPS was between 50-60 all night last night, and i had 0 video lag, and my ping was 100 all night, game worked perfect for me on my first day.
Sorry if you didn't like it... can't tell who gave me this information w/o making his job @ Microsoft getting in risk...
Putting settings on High doesn't tell me much. What are your shadow settings? How about Ambient Occlusion? Rendering Grass? Is Parallax mapping set to ON? What videocard do you have? What's your max resolution you have the game set to?
Take a screenshot in a very populated area of the city with your cursor showing the FPS.
I thought as of sp1 for vista, it recognizes all 4 gigs of ram?
/edit 32 bit os
it shows all 4 Gigs, doesnt use it all though.
Putting settings on High doesn't tell me much. What are your shadow settings? How about Ambient Occlusion? Rendering Grass? Is Parallax mapping set to ON? What videocard do you have? What's your max resolution you have the game set to?
Take a screenshot in a very populated area of the city with your cursor showing the FPS.
I have a EVGA 8800GT, Core2Due e6600, and 4 gigs of 533/mhz ram. I installed the game, went into advanced options, everything that had an option for "low meduim high" i set to high, I set viewing ranges on Max. I played the game for around 2-3 hours, hit lvl 10, everytime i checked my FPS it was between 50-60, one point it even hit 70. Im at work now, i dont have a screenshot to post, and dont know if those settings you used are turned on. Im running vista 32bit ultimate, without SP1. My loading screens are around 5-10 secs. I experience 0 video lag, 0 screen tearing, and 0 network lag, my ping was around 100ms all night, I have a 6.0MB dedicated DSL line.
edited version of vista.