EU has had a number of updates to the graphics since I have been playing but the biggest one is yet to come later this year with the move to the new CryENGINE 2 im not sure what sreenshots you have been looking at but visit EU's homepage to get some real shots of what its like.
- The game is ugly. Let's face it, bad graphics, poor sound
- It's a gamble. No matter what MA tells you, this game is and will be gamble for 99% of it's citizens
- If you are smart (or insanely lucky) you can make money. I know people who are not ubers but very hard workers (all traders to set things straight) that are living of it. It's possible but you need to invest money first and then invest a lot of time in the game itself.
- I made 2000$ in 12 months and I had a blast with my friends. It is frustrating very often, but with good friends you can havy fun even when you are not making money
So before you start putting money in you need to knoe exactly what this game is about. Do not expect WOW or AoC or EVE or something else. This is EU, it's unique in the market. It's the only game where virtual items have astronimical value and virtual landa are worth millions of dollars in real money. Sounds crazy but that's what it is.
But also be warned, golden times are over, you can not get rich now without putting a lot of money in already. Beta items like modified FAPs or Adjusted guns do not drop any more. Land prices went up by 1297192721% in the last few years, loot systems have been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed many times over the years and being profitable or breaking even is not possible now for the majority of the players.
And all of the above comming from someone who made 500$ in his first run in 6 months and now 2000$ in his second run in 12 months. And I'm still playing it becouse I don't have false expectations from it.
It's a casino but I'm a professional gambler.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
Originally posted by Spiider Ok, - I made 2000$ in 12 months and I had a blast with my friends. It is frustrating very often, but with good friends you can havy fun even when you are not making money
LMAO. I'm not calling you a liar. But seeing this just reminded me of my experience in the game. Almost everyone you run into and talk to in the game will tell you some total BS like all the money they have made or all the thousands of dollars they have made due to their "uber" skills and "mighty brains". And you just KNOW when you're playing looking at them watching them work/play that they are sooooo full of crap.
Just look at the post above. He tells you how "99% of the players" will lose money or whatever but not him, oh ofcourse not. He MADE $2,000. Lmfao. Ofcourse. He is in that special 1% (that you'll run into with 90% of the players) that have made a fortune in the game.
Pretty funny stuff. Atleast I admitted the truth that I lost over $200 USD in about a months time in the game. {winks} But I know... it's 'cuz I'm just a dumbass "Nub" and cuz you're infinately more intelligent then myself. {cough}
Hehe. Sorry, just had to point that out. I had forgot about how 90% of the players in the game will stand around broke as hell in the game but tell you how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they have made playing it. Pretty funny shit actually. Hehe.
Lots of disgruntled people here... I had to register just so that I could say this.
I think much of the negativity comes from people who expected something else than what they got. EU is quite different from most other MMO's, and those who expect to become uber after a few weeks of grinding will of course be disappointed. And if you expect quests and storylines, you will also be disappointed.
EU is a game for people with money. Other MMO's gives benefits to those who spend a lot of time, EU gives benefit to those with cash. To me this is great, as I can't compete with youngsters who has nothing better to do than spend 12 hours a day in front of the computer.
I find it amazingly silly how some complain it's a scam because it costs money.
It's a game, people. Games cost money. It's also an MMO which means it regularly costs you money. You don't really, honestly, expect to make easy money off a game, right?
By this logic, WoW and most MMOs are huge scams, after all they cost you money but give you no chance to get any back!
It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either.
Anyone above saying something positive about this game is just a shill for the owners. You and everyone else that plays knows for a fact this game is outright gambling in every shape and form.
Pretty sad when you stoop down so low that you can say something positive about this game, it certainly does not say much for you as a person. This game is very much like a pyramid scheme, the older players encourage younger players to play so they can make money off of them. Shame on you.
"It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either"
Elucca either you have never played this game or you are naive. Just playing this game like a normal MMO you can drop $50 a week into it, and that is just playing evenings. I don't know about you, but there is no game that I have found where you NEED to spend money on like this with little in return.
This game is gambling plain and simple and if you can't see that blatant fact you really need to reevaluate your value system because it is definitely off kilter.
Ignore those that try to reinforce that scam saying they made money off the game, for every 1 that does 10 don't. Typical pyramid scheme, those at the top attempt to reinforce the fact that money can be made in the game, they just neglect to tell you that most don't, but if you are foolish enough to play this game just be aware that you are throwing your money away on others.
Hmm.. I saw this thread mentioned in a EU forum and thought Id come in here and give my two pecs on the subject.
1) Entropia is not a gamble, although I see that it can be seen as one. That being said, Swedish Gambling Comitee (MindArk, the Entropia Developer is swedish) have investigated Entropia to see if its gambling or not. It wasnt.
2) Definatly not a scam. Im not sure if I should find it amusing or sad that people here that once put 20 $ in the game without making it back yells scam.
To make the money come around in EU you need dedication, creativity or intelligence - or all of the above. EU's target have always been mature players, and that for a reason. You dont need to own a landarea or have 30 000 $ in crafting skills to make the money come around, but you can't expect to play the game like you would play WoW and expect your 20$ to last. You need a different mindset.
You can relate it to being a teenager and taking on alot of stray jobs before becoming a pro at the job you want to do. There is people in Entropia that makes their living out of hunting, crafting or trading. Alot of them also do a combination of these. Taking upon such professions as hunting you'll need to be efficiant and economic, and very few can pull of acctually earning on hunting in the long run.
However, you can take the loot you got, trade the oils for the extra few % of money that brings in, do a bit of trading or some other service, to make some money back for another hunting spree.
You should also use the equipment thats most eco for the level you are currently on. I had been using the same set-up for years, until someone who plays entropia for a living told me that other some other gear would be 14% more economic for me, meaning Id be able to kill 14% more mobs for the same amount of money, meaning 14% more possibilites of loot.
What people also forget is that when you hunt, mine or craft -or other activities, you get skills. Those skills are worth money, and you can surgically chip them out later on to sell it. Most people forget this when they calculate how much they have earned/lost on a hunting/mining/crafting-spree.
There is also other ways of earning while you're not hunting, like if you're artistic you can do Make-Up, or you can upload original art and try selling that. I know some graphic designers who's made a neat amount of money making advertisement signs for shops.
There's also the free way of getting money, like collecting 'sweats' from mobs, find fruit and stones on the earth, and get oil at the oil rig (prepare to be killed alot though.) however that tends to be alot of work for little money.
I had a friend who was tired of 'losing money' in entropia. So he figured he'd sell out. When he had sold all his skills and items, he realized he had more then he ever put into the game. He PM'ed me saying "I hate them even more now", and went off to buy himself a new computer irl. He was a mid-level hunter. Or not even that.
Bottom line is, just like RL, Entropia is a challenge. But its fully possible to play without losing big bucks, or even small bucks. You just need the know-how and the will. And if you do lose a couple of bucks a month on it, then thats what you payed for the entertainment.
Regards,
Skam
Oh and btw just to make it clear. My nickname isnt Scam, its sKam (means Shame in the scandinavian languages) before anyone comments..
Originally posted by maimeekrai Did anyone even find the $1M ( or whatever it was ) gem they said was hidden someplace?
- I made 2000$ in 12 months and I had a blast with my friends. It is frustrating very often, but with good friends you can havy fun even when you are not making money
LMAO. I'm not calling you a liar. But seeing this just reminded me of my experience in the game. Almost everyone you run into and talk to in the game will tell you some total BS like all the money they have made or all the thousands of dollars they have made due to their "uber" skills and "mighty brains". And you just KNOW when you're playing looking at them watching them work/play that they are sooooo full of crap.
Just look at the post above. He tells you how "99% of the players" will lose money or whatever but not him, oh ofcourse not. He MADE $2,000. Lmfao. Ofcourse. He is in that special 1% (that you'll run into with 90% of the players) that have made a fortune in the game.
Pretty funny stuff. Atleast I admitted the truth that I lost over $200 USD in about a months time in the game. {winks} But I know... it's 'cuz I'm just a dumbass "Nub" and cuz you're infinately more intelligent then myself. {cough}
Hehe. Sorry, just had to point that out. I had forgot about how 90% of the players in the game will stand around broke as hell in the game but tell you how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they have made playing it. Pretty funny shit actually. Hehe.
- Zaxx
ROFL! Dude find me ingame and I will show you my ped card. I dont care if you believe me or not. The facts that I have put out stand. Peopel are loosing money like mad in that game. And are paying huge amounts of cash for virtual items. And I did make money but I worked hard for it, I didn't gamble like the others. It has nothing to do with being intelligent, it has all to do with understanding bussiness of EU. But I'm just a small fish compared to big winners like Neverdie or Akoz or Neomaven, the big land holders.
I gave you the truth now you do with it whatever you want. I understand you being pissed off for loosing money but that is entirely your fault.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
Just wanted to share my opinion about Entropia Universe, as a semi-long-time player.
I started ~3.5 years ago, and I still love EU, though it ofc it has it's ups and downs.
My view on EU is that it's basically a service, and you can use it in a lot of different ways, hence the many different opinions about it.
Ways to use 'the service' called EU:
You can use EU as investment. Put in 100k $ as investment, and you'll have great potential profits. But you'll ofc also have big risks. It's pretty much like investing in bio-tech stock or something like that with big profits and high risks.
You can use EU as entertainment. Set a monthly amount you're willing to spend (might be 0), and see how much fun you get for it. Usually you'll have more fun if you put in more money, but it's up to you to decide, and it's perfectly possible to play entirely for free (though it's very boring imo). If you're not having fun for a budget that you think is reasonable, you should quit. Simple as that. Some love it, some hate it.
You can use EU for gambling if you want to. But that doesn't mean that EU only gambling.
You can use it as a virtual 3D chat client, and just hang out with your friends and look at the 3D world while you chat.
You can use it to make a few $ without investing anything and totally risk free (except for time wasted), by gathering free stuff and trading. Extremely boring imo, but some people like it. Making money from trading is not as easy as you might think, many others are trying to make money this way too. Some like the challenge, but it's extremely boring in my opinion.
You can use it to see some arts, excibit your own art, listen to online DJs at Club NeverDie and a few other weird things too. Very few people join EU for those reasons, but it's still possible.
Me, I'm there for the fun. Yes, it has a price, but I decide how much to spend, and I'm perfectly able to enjoy myself for a price I find reasonable. I think that if I wanted to quit and sold everything, I'd actually make a little profit, but that's not gonna happen in any foreseeable future.
The thing is that while you deposit money month after month (for the entertainment), you tend to build up more and more valuables in the game, both in the form of skills and various gear. It can be hard to control what's lost and what's still there, because it's not efficient to sell your skills, and as they build and your avatar grows, you 'bind' more and more money in your virtual life. My advice would be not to think of it as investment, but just as money paid to have fun. If you some day wanna quit entirely, you'll have a nice bonus there, but don't base your future RL economy on risky things like virtual valuables.
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Anyone above saying something positive about this game is just a shill for the owners. You and everyone else that plays knows for a fact this game is outright gambling in every shape and form. Pretty sad when you stoop down so low that you can say something positive about this game, it certainly does not say much for you as a person. This game is very much like a pyramid scheme, the older players encourage younger players to play so they can make money off of them. Shame on you. "It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either" Elucca either you have never played this game or you are naive. Just playing this game like a normal MMO you can drop $50 a week into it, and that is just playing evenings. I don't know about you, but there is no game that I have found where you NEED to spend money on like this with little in return. This game is gambling plain and simple and if you can't see that blatant fact you really need to reevaluate your value system because it is definitely off kilter. Ignore those that try to reinforce that scam saying they made money off the game, for every 1 that does 10 don't. Typical pyramid scheme, those at the top attempt to reinforce the fact that money can be made in the game, they just neglect to tell you that most don't, but if you are foolish enough to play this game just be aware that you are throwing your money away on others.
That ad hominem about "you're sad and can't go any lower" i'm not even going to try to answer. That's just childish.
I've played this game on and off since 2004, so i know what i'm talking about. Usually, when i'm most active, i use around 10 USD a month. I'm not contesting that you can use ridiculous amounts of money for it, but you don't have to.
Some play it like a game, others play it like a casino, a few invest. I play it as an MMO and i accept it costs me some money every month or so.
Hey, going by your pyramid scheme theory, shouldn't i be making money off the newbies since i'm a long-time player? Damn, i guess they forgot to give me my cut.
Actually, the majority of the big spenders don't make money, they use a lot. I'd never use that much but hey, if you have the money and this is where you want to spend it, i don't mind and don't really care.
Anyone above saying something positive about this game is just a shill for the owners. You and everyone else that plays knows for a fact this game is outright gambling in every shape and form. Pretty sad when you stoop down so low that you can say something positive about this game, it certainly does not say much for you as a person. This game is very much like a pyramid scheme, the older players encourage younger players to play so they can make money off of them. Shame on you. "It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either" Elucca either you have never played this game or you are naive. Just playing this game like a normal MMO you can drop $50 a week into it, and that is just playing evenings. I don't know about you, but there is no game that I have found where you NEED to spend money on like this with little in return. This game is gambling plain and simple and if you can't see that blatant fact you really need to reevaluate your value system because it is definitely off kilter. Ignore those that try to reinforce that scam saying they made money off the game, for every 1 that does 10 don't. Typical pyramid scheme, those at the top attempt to reinforce the fact that money can be made in the game, they just neglect to tell you that most don't, but if you are foolish enough to play this game just be aware that you are throwing your money away on others.
Wow, drama and conspiracy theories! All in one post!
But you are right, EU can't be played as other MMO's. You must manage your money more carefully. If you keep playing like a moron after losing the first $50, perhaps you should blame yourself and not the game...?
And most people don't make money, that is also right. 95% of the players play for fun, then there's the profiting 5% that sell items and services to those players. If you call this a pyramid scheme you are making a fool out of yourself.
I can have my issues with EU and the developers, but I try to keep things in perspective. EU is not a pyramid scheme, and the players don't scam small children out of their allowance. It is possible to make money, but you have to invest both time and money to do so.
EU is different. Some people are mature enough to handle it, others are not...
No not skalman just Skam but she is also a well known and much respected player.
As for all the comments about the game been a scam and everyone that says they have not lost a massive amount of money been lairs just grow up people. Yes some people lose money some lots of money but this but there are lots of people who only put in a small amount each month and get along just fine by playing the game using the right gear for there skills and in the case of hunting going for the right lvl of mobs. I have never had a big loot and I never play expecting one I just enjoy the game and play for fun. Going off what the value of my account is now I have doubled what I have paid to play so far but i have not made any money out of the game as I have no intention of selling or withdrawing money from the game. Its just to much fun.
Hi there... Just wanted to share my opinion about Entropia Universe, as a semi-long-time player. I started ~3.5 years ago, and I still love EU, though it ofc it has it's ups and downs.
My view on EU is that it's basically a service, and you can use it in a lot of different ways, hence the many different opinions about it. Ways to use 'the service' called EU:
You can use EU as investment. Put in 100k $ as investment, and you'll have great potential profits. But you'll ofc also have big risks. It's pretty much like investing in bio-tech stock or something like that with big profits and high risks. You can use EU as entertainment. Set a monthly amount you're willing to spend (might be 0), and see how much fun you get for it. Usually you'll have more fun if you put in more money, but it's up to you to decide, and it's perfectly possible to play entirely for free (though it's very boring imo). If you're not having fun for a budget that you think is reasonable, you should quit. Simple as that. Some love it, some hate it. You can use EU for gambling if you want to. But that doesn't mean that EU only gambling. You can use it as a virtual 3D chat client, and just hang out with your friends and look at the 3D world while you chat. You can use it to make a few $ without investing anything and totally risk free (except for time wasted), by gathering free stuff and trading. Extremely boring imo, but some people like it. Making money from trading is not as easy as you might think, many others are trying to make money this way too. Some like the challenge, but it's extremely boring in my opinion. You can use it to see some arts, excibit your own art, listen to online DJs at Club NeverDie and a few other weird things too. Very few people join EU for those reasons, but it's still possible.
Me, I'm there for the fun. Yes, it has a price, but I decide how much to spend, and I'm perfectly able to enjoy myself for a price I find reasonable. I think that if I wanted to quit and sold everything, I'd actually make a little profit, but that's not gonna happen in any foreseeable future.
The thing is that while you deposit money month after month (for the entertainment), you tend to build up more and more valuables in the game, both in the form of skills and various gear. It can be hard to control what's lost and what's still there, because it's not efficient to sell your skills, and as they build and your avatar grows, you 'bind' more and more money in your virtual life. My advice would be not to think of it as investment, but just as money paid to have fun. If you some day wanna quit entirely, you'll have a nice bonus there, but don't base your future RL economy on risky things like virtual valuables.
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If I started ~3.5 years ago I'm sure I would be still loving it as well. Its is like a casino. No matter what you do in the game, even sweating, you are not guaranteed a profit. Its all on chance. The reason the globals and hall of fames are broadcast are to keep people playing in hopes that they will get lucky. The more money your deposit doesn't mean your luck will go up any at all.
And don't get me started on Club Neverdie. The company gave a B celebrity a ton of cash and simulated an auction, disconnected the server when it was about to end, etc etc... It was all a marketing gimmick. Yeah don't give up but keep depositing.
I'm not bitter either, I withdrew about 70% of what I put in before I stopped. It definitely has the compulsive/gambling feeling.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
You have to love low post wonders defending their game. You can call it what you please, but the game is gambling pure and simple. If you play this game and you can't recognize you have a gambling addiction I feel sorry for you.
Sorry I have seen first hand what gambling does to people, it is not a pretty sight.
Call this game a MMO is strictly a front, it is exactly the scam it is reported to be. Calling someone respected in this game is like calling a mad dog, nice.
No matter what you do in the game, even sweating, you are not guaranteed a profit. Its all on chance.
Um, what? If you managed to make a loss on sweating, you're doing something very very very wrong.
When I started out the game, I was 17 years old and didn't have a creditcard. I spent my first months hunting with 500 ammo a round (=5 ped = 0.5 $) when I wasnt chatting or running errands or doing so-called "running". Thats how I earned my first armor set. It wasnt worth much, but it was a profit.
Sweating is completely free to do. You dont only earn sweat, you also get evade skills and other attribute skills that is worth some if you get enough to chip it out later on. On entropiaforum there has been a couple of threads like "Sweat yourself to a mastercoat" etc, where people have succeded sweating enough to be able to buy themself a piece of garment worth 1000 Peds.
Thats $100 pure profit, without taking into concideration all the evade skills he'd earn from that aswell.
It took him a while, but he proved it to be possible. I have a few society (same as guild/clan..etc.) friends of mine that regulary go sweating when they are low on Peds.
Myself I find it horribly, terribly boring. I make some extra cash by doing Make-Up masks.
(Ped= Project Entropia Dollars. 100 PED = 10 $)
As for the poster above me
I find it quite funny that you think you know better then the swedish gambling commition, too They have been investigated for gambling and pyramid schemes and guess what, they were found innocent.
Like I mentioned earlier though, Entropia is for grown-ups who cares for a proper challenge and has the know-how to make it.
Im sorry you kids didnt make it in there, but at the end of the day, you only have yourself to blame, as there is so many ways to make it in Entropia.
Originally posted by Spiider Originally posted by zaxtor99
Originally posted by Spiider Ok, - I made 2000$ in 12 months and I had a blast with my friends. It is frustrating very often, but with good friends you can havy fun even when you are not making money
LMAO. I'm not calling you a liar. But seeing this just reminded me of my experience in the game. Almost everyone you run into and talk to in the game will tell you some total BS like all the money they have made or all the thousands of dollars they have made due to their "uber" skills and "mighty brains". And you just KNOW when you're playing looking at them watching them work/play that they are sooooo full of crap. Just look at the post above. He tells you how "99% of the players" will lose money or whatever but not him, oh ofcourse not. He MADE $2,000. Lmfao. Ofcourse. He is in that special 1% (that you'll run into with 90% of the players) that have made a fortune in the game. Pretty funny stuff. Atleast I admitted the truth that I lost over $200 USD in about a months time in the game. {winks} But I know... it's 'cuz I'm just a dumbass "Nub" and cuz you're infinately more intelligent then myself. {cough} Hehe. Sorry, just had to point that out. I had forgot about how 90% of the players in the game will stand around broke as hell in the game but tell you how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they have made playing it. Pretty funny shit actually. Hehe.
- Zaxx
ROFL! Dude find me ingame and I will show you my ped card. I dont care if you believe me or not. The facts that I have put out stand. Peopel are loosing money like mad in that game. And are paying huge amounts of cash for virtual items. And I did make money but I worked hard for it, I didn't gamble like the others. It has nothing to do with being intelligent, it has all to do with understanding bussiness of EU. But I'm just a small fish compared to big winners like Neverdie or Akoz or Neomaven, the big land holders. I gave you the truth now you do with it whatever you want. I understand you being pissed off for loosing money but that is entirely your fault.
How would showing me how many PEDs you've made in the game prove how much money you've made? That wouldn't prove crap because you could have easily invested ten times more then you currently have as a balance in the game. But I know.. just like all the other people unwilling to face the truth and likely their own gambling..err I mean Entropia Universe Addiction, you'll tell me you invested only $10 or some other total outright lie.
Call it what you want. This game is WORSE then gambling. Atleast with a slot machine, you can see its a simple gambling device. People use Entropia Universe to basically gamble, and it IS nicely disguised as a game, so people USE that as an EXCUSE. "Oh, it's no big deal that I've BLOWN $5,000 buying PEDS for this game one day I'm gonna strike it rich" must be a line people actually convince themselves of in this game.
It's hard for real world gamblers to admit their gambling addiction, and I can easily see that this game is ever bit as bad... actually it's probably WORSE. Again, this is the brilliance of Mindark as I said in my first post in this thread above. They have created a monster which only feeds peoples own addictive behavior and they are sitting back making a fortune off of peoples natural addictive behavior.
See look at the guys post in response to me. He acts like he spent way less then what he has made in the game. I'm calling BULLSHIT. Then he acts like I and the thousands of players who at least admit to losing money for a short time in this game "idiots" or something by saying "Yeh I'd be mad too if I lost money in the game". All I can say to this is whatever man. The sooner you admit to yourself how much you're pouring into this game VS what you are actually getting in return, the better off you'll be. If you wanna pay $100 or $200 or $500 a month or w/e you spend for an online game, that's perfectly fine and your choice. But atleast be honest with yourself and stop trying to act like because of your super intelligence blah blah blah that you are making mad $$ playing this virtual casino mmo.
Sorry, this post is long so you will have to be as patient as EU player to read this. And I unfortunately have no strength to answer all untrue statements. So in big ahortcut for unpatient ones:
1. EU is free to play and download game. You do not have to deposit even a single penny in it. It's up to you if and how much you deposit.
2. EU is not gambling. If you are smart, you will not loose even a single penny and you can think of all money you spend here as a bank deposit thet you will be able to withdraw.
3. If you expect making thousands of USDs from 10 ped deposit within a day, go to Vegas. Maybe they will be able to help you there. EU is something like bank account, but you decide yourself how you invest your money, how much of them and how much you would like to get back. If you can track your expenses and invest your money wisely, you will not only get them back when you want them, but you will make a profit.
4. EU pays you for your free time. No, you will not get payslip from MA every week with enough cash to just sit in home and play (unless you made a real investment, not some small depos). But if the day will come that you need some extra money, you can get them from the game.
5. To play EU you have to be patient, smart and creative person. You will need the ability to watch the environment areound you and get conclusions. It is not a game in traditional meaning of this word. It's a service provided by MA based on win-win situation. They get money form the decay of items you use ingame, you can get money from your loot, skills, gear you get. If someone wants me to explain this, please contact me on Entropia Forum (Sarah Hawkwood) as it is not a simple matter for two words.
Originally posted by lkavadas
And just for quick reference, a pair of jeans ingame costs three to four times as much as a pair of nice designer jeans in RL. No, I'm not kidding. I'm not talking with equivalent currency denominations either. The PED cost of jeans when exchanged into USD is about $200.00 USD. That's why this game is
Pair of ingame jeans costs about 60 USD, not 200. Plus Ikavadas you have messed understanding of exchange reate. 10USD is 100 ped, not as you stated, 1000 ped.
Originally posted by admriker4
Im confused. I thought the game was free to play ? It sounds like the perfect MMO Ive been searching for ever since Star Wars Galaxies changed.
Entropia is free to play in the meaning that you can download the client for free and play for free too. You can deposit money, but noone forces you to do so. I can deposit when I want or need it and this is just beautifull. If I do not have money to deposit, I can do hundreds various things ingame.
I used to deposit in the past and will be depostining in the future. But for example did no single depo since April 2008 (that's almost 2 months by now) and noone locked my account or smthn like this. Decision if you want to deposit is yours and yours only. All depends on how good your imagination is and what a kind of game you want to play. If you want to be the best equipped and highest skilled avatar it can take a couple of years to catch the top players. Or lots of $ if you want to be there faster. But you don't have to be actually the most skilled avatar in this game to enjoy it. You can be succesfull even when your skills are much lower. It's al about what your goals are and what you want to achieve.
I know ingame movie makers, traders, event organisers and also hunters and miners who are basically playing for free. I know also people who were withdrawing money from EU and it was enough to buy a new, state of the art computer. This is the best part of this all. If you decide to quit the game, you can exchange all your skills, items and estates into USD send directly to your bank account. I'm not saying that you will buy yourself a small tropical island for it, but most likely after a while and with some luck you will be able to buy yourself something like high end PC and similar stuff. There are also people who make a living in this game, but true, they have spend few years to achieve this or invested large sums of money before.
Originally posted by lkavadas Technically speaking, it's F2P. You don't buy the client. You don't pay any subscription. The ingame currency, however, costs you money. One PED, Project Entropia Dollar, is worth 1 cent USD. 100 PED is a dollar, 1,000 PED is ten bucks, et cetera. You can't really make any money in this game though unless you buy land or are a real high end crafter which takes an investment of thousands of real dollars. There are people who have invested $30,000+ in this game. The basic rule of thumb for this scam is that you pay a dollar an hour because you have to buy ammunition from system vendors (like bullets and power cells for guns, bombs for mining. Those are the only things you can do really when you start). Basically, even if you dropped fiteen bucks PED, like you would for client, and then paid up fifteen bucks a month after that you would not be able to sustain yourself. I know this because I actually tried it and was completely scammed by "this great sounding sandbox that let's you do anything." I did not play this game like a tard. I was ultra conservative on my hunting, I didn't splurge for nice things once, I didn't pay taxes to hunt on private land. All of my money went towards ammunition and most bombs and it is straight up online gambling. This website should really quit supporting this "game."
Ikavadas, I'm sorry to say it, but it prooves only the fact that EU is not for you and even if you have tried it, you did not do it properly. This is a game that requires thinking for yourself, patience, sticking to your goals and achieving them. And you are wrong, you do not have to buy a land area or thousands of crafting skills to make profit from this game. Bah, even buying a land doesn't mean you will be making money on this game if you do not manage it properly. Nothing is granted, so if you are not able to make a living for your avatar in game it means you did something in wrong way or you have no idea what this game is about.
And no, you do not have to pay a single penny to be able to survive, get ammo for your hunting or probes for mining. I played almost 2 years from my 3 ingame without even a single deposit. Now I am forced by RL circumstances to not to deposit again, yet I'm able to have 500 peds on my ped card most the time. Yes, I do not have Skallman's (mentioned by someone here) skills nor eqiupement, but I'm still able to handle 90% of creatures and find 90% of resources.
Originally posted by maimeekrai Bingo! I "invested" $20 in this "game" a few years ago, about when it started, and blew it all on armor and ammo, and whatever drops I got never was enough to keep me supplied with ammo even. What I saw of it was neat, but it was a money losing situation. If it had been sub. based, I would have played longer. Did anyone even find the $1M ( or whatever it was ) gem they said was hidden someplace? LoL, I just found an e-mail from 10/14/2002 Subject: Project Entropia Server Stress Test DOH! LOL, I guess I've deleted the e-mails I used to get every 6 months telling me how long it's been since I played and that my account would be closed! I got those for about 2 years! LOL
20$ is not an investment mate. It's trying something. Try going to your bank and tell them that you are willing to "invest" 20$... I wonder what money you will make from this. And that's a shame that you quit back then, my society mate who has been playing since about the same year is now selling some stuff she obtained in the past and she doesn't need anymore... She will make about 4000 USD from this... And this is about how much you lost because of not playing EU since you started an account...
Originally posted by Briansho
I agree with lkavadas. Many people on the games "official" forums are starting to complain about having to pump more and more money just to do basic things. Some people in EU defense claim to make money you have to spend money. If thats true then this isn't really a game at all. Most games will let you dabble in many of the features and skills to see what its like. Even with a real cash economy you shouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars just to get started. I found out it was a cash machine when I invested some money and got some hunting/fighting skills past 2000. It doesn't matter what your skill is, you will always get the same loot. The also made items L for limited so you cannot repair them and have to buy new ones.
You have to pump nothing unless you want to. And yes, even in RL you won't make any money without investing money in the beginning, unless you either rob someone or winn a lottery. EU is not a lotery nor gambling, so why it should be different here. If you want to make real money, you need to invest real money. Trying it out requires not even a single buck spend. Just a bit of patience. Unless you mean by trying out running in the most expensive armor, with the most expensive weapon and after having skills like person who spend 5 years playing this game. Looks like your expectations were just to high or you really ahd a bad mentor or no clue what to do in this game.
And no, skills do matter. You had 2000 in rifle or pistol only or in all combat related skills (including evade, athletics and such)? If it's the second case, you have been probably playing for a week or so. It's really not much to learn something about EU. Shame you did not get decent mentor or you were not listening his advices...
Yes, there are Limited items these days, and yes, they can't be rpaired. We can argue how realistic or unrealistic it is, but nowadays Limited items have one good function: they allow you to compete with higher skilled and equipped in expensive stuff guys without having to wait for 5 years until you catch them. Not mentioning, that there still are decent and rather cheap unlimited items you can use and that will be enough for 90% of avatars.
Originally posted by jonaylward Worse than that. One PED is TEN cents. 10 to a dollar, 1000 for $100. You can "sweat" mobs for a basic resource that people will buy for one half of one penny each. (200 Sweat = 10 PED = $1) If you get good at it, and get lucky, you can gather about 80 sweat in an hour. Sometimes you might get 1/4 of that. Economically, you're WAY better off just getting a Sunday Morning Paper Route and putting the money from that into the game than you are spending your hours sweating, since sweating carries with it the risk of being attacked by the creature you're sweating. Being attacked = Repair Bill = even less economic viability. Every single shot you fire from a gun costs you PED (remember: PED = Real Money). You kill a creature and loot it with traditional mechanics. However - quite frequently, the loot dropped isn't worth the money you spent on the ammo you used to kill the creature. It's like trying to hunt bear (for bearskin rugs) with $500 (each) bullets. It is possible to come out ahead (temporarily), but, in the end, Entropia Universe is EXACTLY like feeding dimes into a slot machine in Vegas. Winning only encourages you to feed the beast more dimes.
Sweating causes no decay. If it costs you, it means you use armor for that, which you shouldn't do. Plus, if you sweat in proper places you will be supported by other participants: hunters, who will kill creatures that have no more sweat, thus saving your life, focusers, who will make sure you do not loose concentration during sweating, thus saving your time, healers, who will heal you if something kills you anyway. So if you want to gather sweat properly, you have to do it in certain places too.
Shoting can cost you as many peds as you want. You choose your weapon, you choose how much ammo you shoot, you choose what creatures you shoot with this weapon.
EU is not gambling. If you play smart, you won't be feeding any slot machine, but you will cycle money you have through the device allowing you to get better skills, better gear, better loot...
Originally posted by rvjones10 If you started hardcore in beta or when the game went gold you might have positioned yourself at the top of the pyramid for making money. Maybe MMORPG should interview all the folks who have lost thousands of dollars playing this game instead of this public relations poster boy.
It's not the game fault if someone is crazy gambler. If someone lost anything playing this game, it was entirely decision of that person. And such person is the one to blame. Yes, noone will prevent you from selling your house and depositing the money ingame and spending it on hunting or mining... You will have lot's of fun probably, but if you don't think it out carefully, you won't get anything more than fun. It is your choice how to spend money ingame and if you want to waste them or not. If you are a gambler type, you can probably loose that money anyway, in any online game on the market... Yes, even subscription based one, bu buying virtual items on auctions for example.
Originally posted by grunty
When I played for a while, just about everyone I ran into in this game considered their gaming costs to be "investments". I never did understand that reasoning.
Reasons are simple. 1st, many players think that they did something good that will give them profit. Which is speculation actually. 2nd, all you buy or do in game is some kind of investment. I can for example cash out and get more than I ever deposited in this game. Which means it is kind of investmentas it gave some profit.
Originally posted by Sieges
This move is one of the crappiest things they have done to the "game". You can no longer make real investments with your real money. You used to be able to spend a lot of real money on a gun and keep it, now you spend a lot real money on a gun that is gone in a few hours Also, there are also a couple other key things missing from Entropia Universe:
No mounts or vehicles. No in-game postal system (you can only contact your friends if they are online). They should just copy World of Warcraft's postal system.
I particapate in Entropia, but I do wish MindArk would get rid of the Limited (L) item concept and implement mounts/vehicles and a good postal system.
Real invesments made with real money are: buying a land area (small scale) or buying and asteroid, like Neverdie did. Witha small money you will make smaller investments, means you will have smaller profit. So what? World doesn't contain only Bill gates and The Mass of Rest, there are many stages between Gates and owner of a fish shop in Africa... Don't expect plz, that you will instantly become a new Gates, better find yourself some place in between and maybe if you stick to the goal of becoming as rich as Gates is, you will find yourself equal him someday... Plus, what is different in buying Limited item and selling it with profit from buying unlimited item and selling it with profit? I'm not reselling stuff ingame, but I think you get profit from both selling limited items and unlimited items. The difference is only if you actually use these items. But in RL, when you use the car for X months, you rather do not expect to sell it for exactly the same price you bought it, do you? And if you are just selling cars, without using them, what is the difference if it is blue or red?
Originally posted by Hypergolic
I played back in the Project Entropia days... At first you were able to break even fairly regularly which was fun and enjoyable, but they continually changed the way that loot drops so that it became pretty much impossible to make back what you were spending so I stopped wasting time and money on it. I dropped in last year to look at the game and the loot has changed even further so that no PEDs dropped at all, only materials. The only people that are profiting from the game are the very old players that spent large amounts of money when it was viable to get ahead, no new player will ever be able to reach their levels without spending a phenomenal amount of money. If the Entropia Universe had static rules that never changed then it would have been possible to play and actually make progress just through hard work, but since the developers can change the rules whenever they like it has become nothing but a money pit for any new players. Unless you are willing to spend stupidly LARGE amounts of money and ridiculous amounts of time I would stay as far away from Entropia Universe as possible.
Once again, you do not have to spend even a single penny. There is no difference if you get ped in loot or resources. Well, actually there is one difference: resources have some markup peds didn't have. It's not much markup, but always something. Better for you if you are a crafter, as you can get things you need just from loot, below market prices. It's better for you if you are a hunter, because you can sell it with markup and get some more peds for your loot. It's the matter of patience and saving your looted stuff or finding a buyer who will buy any ammount of them with some markup. Belive me, it's not that difficult.
Yes, oldest avatars are making largest sums. But it's what you were asking for: bigger profit for your hard work. They worked several years for it.
Once again, the more money you spend in game, the more money you will make. But it is up to you if you want to spend them or not. Try going to your bank with 10$ and telling them you want it to be 1000$ next month, I wonder what they say... In EU it actually can become 1000$ next month if you are lucky. If you are not, it will take some more time...
Originally posted by dilletti
It is true, game will cost quite some money in order to have fun. And yes each time you loot a mob you expect that jackpot. Doing anything in this game raises related skills. And skills can be extracted to a chip and then sold. As long as there is demand for skills you can chip out and sell skills. I spent over $700 for various items mainly weapons and armor etc. over 6 months I played. I scored few loots that kept me playing and payed for ammo. However when I chipped out and sold all my skills I gained in that time I got $750 back. My experience wasn't that bad. Although I agree that I played with low-med armors and weapons and didn't really go for several hundred PED hunts like vets and ubers do. I also tried to have most economical weapons etc.
And finally someone who understood EU... It's not about making money like in Vegas casino, with one lucky tosiing the dice, yet it is possible to be just lucky one. It's about constant progress of your skills and not paying for the game. Everything you gathered in game, including your skills can be sold and you can withdraw the money, so they are actually paying you for your time online. No, you do not get 1000$ extra money monthly, unless you want to invest some real money here. But you are being paid for your free time and for your fun. Without having to sell your items on ebay to get something valuable.
Dilletti, if your skills were worth 750$ this means you were veteran yourself...
HawkwoodEU.. ANOTHER 1 post guy that comes trotting in here defending this game.
You're whole defense of EU can be COMPLETELY DISCREDITED based on your insanely idiotic statement that "putting money into EU is just like putting money in a bank where you can withdraw it back anytime".
That line of logic is so untrue and such a steaming pile of outright LIE crap that I can smell the stench from here.
Then you really go off the deep end saying that "the more real money you invest, ofcourse the faster you'll make money"
Do you just work for MindArk, or are you really buried that deep in despair and hopelessness to make such statements and actually believe what you say??
I will not even comment calling me an idiot, as it only shows the emotional and intelectuall level of some disputants...
But ok, I will post once more, to not to be "1 post guy defending EU".
I won't defend EU completely. As I mentioned, every avatar has better and worse times. And ofc I would prefer to have only those better times. And yes, EU is addictive. But not more addictive than any other MMOG I played so far. Addictive, baceuse it's fun and excitement. Just like fun and excitement is looting some high end sword in any fantasy universe, getting a global or hof or uber item in loot in EU is very exciting.
Now facts.
1. I deposited in EU about 2000$ during 3 years (most last year anyway).
2. Real value of my skills and gear I have in game is about the same. Maybe slightly more, maybe slightly less, it depends on current market prices. Last time I checked I have found out that I can get about the same anytime I deposited in this game.
3. Most of MMORPGs require monthly subscription which I HAVE to pay without a choice other than not playing the given game. In EU I am the person who decides how much and how often I want to deposit, plus I can play without deposits at all.
4. If I decided that I need to cash out, MA will pay me the money I have in game. So actually having fun online I already have earned enough to buy myself state of the art computer, few years old car, house elctronics or something like this. And without going to work, just having the fun with friends, doing what I would do anyway in my free time: playing the game.
5. If I decide that I want to quit RL work, EU gives me possibilities to make a living from this game. Yes, I would have to make an investment, but if I wanted for example to get rid of my boss and start my own company IRL, I would have to make such investment too.
All "defenders" above are right that EU player has to be just mature. It's not game for everyone, definetely not for teenagers living in their soap bulb, thinking that they can become rich and famous just with one snap of their fingers. You can not. It's not a dream or fairy tale. If you want to succeed, you have to be realistic and work hard to achieve it. That's what EU requires: working hard and sticking to your goals.
Ah, about bank account, I will explain it as it seems to be not easy to understand.
When you start bank account, it works basically like this: you put there money, bank is investing your money, you get some profits from it too. Am I wrong? I don't think so. If you withdraw your money, leaving almost no cash on your account, your bank will be able to make only much smaller profits from your money. If you place a bigger sum there, they will be able to invest more, thus making bigger profit for themselves and you too.
Here comes EU. You deposit some money and if you invest them wisely, you will make some profit. If you deposit more, you can rotate bigger ammount of money, invest in more profitable things and make bigger profit. Just like in RL bank. The profit you are able to make depends on ammount of money your are able to invest. But, to make any profit from the RL bank you actually have to give them money. In EU you can choose not to deposit and pay with your free time.
I didn't call EU a bank account, I just compared it to bank account to let all who never actually played or understood EU to understand it now. As an example, parabola. But it looks like I overestimated ability to understand even simple things by some people. I hope you will understand them eventually when you will reach the age allowing you to buy a beer in the pub. Otherwise you have already wasted your lives, I'm, affraid...
What I find interesting is the topics of investment and earning money from this title.
But yet, providing the same amount of time, energy, work and even money will provide greater results in the real world. How so? Using such resources to buy properties to improve one's passive income (no, it is not flipping houses).
Which is why I do not participate in this title. I pay to play games for fun, not .... for work.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by HawkwoodEU I will not even comment calling me an idiot, as it only shows the emotional and intelectuall level of some disputants...
I never called you an idiot. I said you made "idiotic" statements. BIG difference.
I atleast thank you for coming back with an intelligent and non deceptive response.
The fact is that playing EU and having fun is MUCH more expensive if you were to figure it out per hour then paying $15 for a traditional style mmo. You can EASILY dump $15 and be spent and out of ammo and have broken armor in less then an hour, where a traditional mmo you'll have a full month of game time.
What I find interesting is the topics of investment and earning money from this title. But yet, providing the same amount of time, energy, work and even money will provide greater results in the real world. How so? Using such resources to buy properties to improve one's passive income (no, it is not flipping houses). Which is why I do not participate in this title. I pay to play games for fun, not .... for work.
Noone prohibits you from having fun in EU. It is fun, but you get some nice bonus too which you do not get in other MMOGs
I will not even comment calling me an idiot, as it only shows the emotional and intelectuall level of some disputants...
I never called you an idiot. I said you made "idiotic" statements. BIG difference.
I atleast thank you for coming back with an intelligent and non deceptive response.
The fact is that playing EU and having fun is MUCH more expensive if you were to figure it out per hour then paying $15 for a traditional style mmo. You can EASILY dump $15 and be spent and out of ammo and have broken armor in less then an hour, where a traditional mmo you'll have a full month of game time.
- Zaxx
I am able to cycle even hundreds of USD in EU, but what for? I used to cycle about 20$ per month, now I do not deposit at all. Temporarily probably, have more important expenses IRL and probably will be depositing in the future again. Still, decision when and if to do this is mine only.
15$ per month is enough for having fun in EU, especially that you do not need even this. It's just the matter of "fun" term and it's definition. If fun for you means killing hundreds of monsters around some village, than EU is not for you. Here you will have to make good choices of what to do with this money and find some fun which does not need money at all. There are lots of things one can do in EU without money (usually without making any profits too, but if you use your RL skills, you will be able to make some profit without peds too). EU is demanding and challenging games, requires creativity from participants. If someone can't be creative and can't find anything to do ingame, obviously it's not the place for him.
But for some reason EU has plenty of active players. Yes, we sometimes complain about some things on entropia forum, but we still play. Most of us having fun - those who do not have fun in this game usually just sell all their posessions and cash out. And I don't think EU community is kinda masochistic one and that we are all allowing MA just to scam us all the time. The playerbase is quite stable, there are still players who started few years ago and they are still having fun. It all means that EU is just a well made piece of work. Well made not for MA only, but for us, participants too...
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EU has had a number of updates to the graphics since I have been playing but the biggest one is yet to come later this year with the move to the new CryENGINE 2 im not sure what sreenshots you have been looking at but visit EU's homepage to get some real shots of what its like.
- The game is ugly. Let's face it, bad graphics, poor sound
- It's a gamble. No matter what MA tells you, this game is and will be gamble for 99% of it's citizens
- If you are smart (or insanely lucky) you can make money. I know people who are not ubers but very hard workers (all traders to set things straight) that are living of it. It's possible but you need to invest money first and then invest a lot of time in the game itself.
- I made 2000$ in 12 months and I had a blast with my friends. It is frustrating very often, but with good friends you can havy fun even when you are not making money
So before you start putting money in you need to knoe exactly what this game is about. Do not expect WOW or AoC or EVE or something else. This is EU, it's unique in the market. It's the only game where virtual items have astronimical value and virtual landa are worth millions of dollars in real money. Sounds crazy but that's what it is.
But also be warned, golden times are over, you can not get rich now without putting a lot of money in already. Beta items like modified FAPs or Adjusted guns do not drop any more. Land prices went up by 1297192721% in the last few years, loot systems have been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed many times over the years and being profitable or breaking even is not possible now for the majority of the players.
And all of the above comming from someone who made 500$ in his first run in 6 months and now 2000$ in his second run in 12 months. And I'm still playing it becouse I don't have false expectations from it.
It's a casino but I'm a professional gambler.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
LMAO. I'm not calling you a liar. But seeing this just reminded me of my experience in the game. Almost everyone you run into and talk to in the game will tell you some total BS like all the money they have made or all the thousands of dollars they have made due to their "uber" skills and "mighty brains". And you just KNOW when you're playing looking at them watching them work/play that they are sooooo full of crap.
Just look at the post above. He tells you how "99% of the players" will lose money or whatever but not him, oh ofcourse not. He MADE $2,000. Lmfao. Ofcourse. He is in that special 1% (that you'll run into with 90% of the players) that have made a fortune in the game.
Pretty funny stuff. Atleast I admitted the truth that I lost over $200 USD in about a months time in the game. {winks} But I know... it's 'cuz I'm just a dumbass "Nub" and cuz you're infinately more intelligent then myself. {cough}
Hehe. Sorry, just had to point that out. I had forgot about how 90% of the players in the game will stand around broke as hell in the game but tell you how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they have made playing it. Pretty funny shit actually. Hehe.
- Zaxx
What it needs is a massive overhaul, I won't deny that. I mostly play just to talk to friends and maybe do some low budget activities
Sick of playing Entropia Universe? Want to quit, but don't want your hard earned money to vanish? Give your items to ME :-)
Lots of disgruntled people here... I had to register just so that I could say this.
I think much of the negativity comes from people who expected something else than what they got. EU is quite different from most other MMO's, and those who expect to become uber after a few weeks of grinding will of course be disappointed. And if you expect quests and storylines, you will also be disappointed.
EU is a game for people with money. Other MMO's gives benefits to those who spend a lot of time, EU gives benefit to those with cash. To me this is great, as I can't compete with youngsters who has nothing better to do than spend 12 hours a day in front of the computer.
And jeans does not cost $200. More like $60-70.
I find it amazingly silly how some complain it's a scam because it costs money.
It's a game, people. Games cost money. It's also an MMO which means it regularly costs you money. You don't really, honestly, expect to make easy money off a game, right?
By this logic, WoW and most MMOs are huge scams, after all they cost you money but give you no chance to get any back!
It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either.
Anyone above saying something positive about this game is just a shill for the owners. You and everyone else that plays knows for a fact this game is outright gambling in every shape and form.
Pretty sad when you stoop down so low that you can say something positive about this game, it certainly does not say much for you as a person. This game is very much like a pyramid scheme, the older players encourage younger players to play so they can make money off of them. Shame on you.
"It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either"
Elucca either you have never played this game or you are naive. Just playing this game like a normal MMO you can drop $50 a week into it, and that is just playing evenings. I don't know about you, but there is no game that I have found where you NEED to spend money on like this with little in return.
This game is gambling plain and simple and if you can't see that blatant fact you really need to reevaluate your value system because it is definitely off kilter.
Ignore those that try to reinforce that scam saying they made money off the game, for every 1 that does 10 don't. Typical pyramid scheme, those at the top attempt to reinforce the fact that money can be made in the game, they just neglect to tell you that most don't, but if you are foolish enough to play this game just be aware that you are throwing your money away on others.
Hmm.. I saw this thread mentioned in a EU forum and thought Id come in here and give my two pecs on the subject.
1) Entropia is not a gamble, although I see that it can be seen as one. That being said, Swedish Gambling Comitee (MindArk, the Entropia Developer is swedish) have investigated Entropia to see if its gambling or not. It wasnt.
2) Definatly not a scam. Im not sure if I should find it amusing or sad that people here that once put 20 $ in the game without making it back yells scam.
To make the money come around in EU you need dedication, creativity or intelligence - or all of the above. EU's target have always been mature players, and that for a reason. You dont need to own a landarea or have 30 000 $ in crafting skills to make the money come around, but you can't expect to play the game like you would play WoW and expect your 20$ to last. You need a different mindset.
You can relate it to being a teenager and taking on alot of stray jobs before becoming a pro at the job you want to do. There is people in Entropia that makes their living out of hunting, crafting or trading. Alot of them also do a combination of these. Taking upon such professions as hunting you'll need to be efficiant and economic, and very few can pull of acctually earning on hunting in the long run.
However, you can take the loot you got, trade the oils for the extra few % of money that brings in, do a bit of trading or some other service, to make some money back for another hunting spree.
You should also use the equipment thats most eco for the level you are currently on. I had been using the same set-up for years, until someone who plays entropia for a living told me that other some other gear would be 14% more economic for me, meaning Id be able to kill 14% more mobs for the same amount of money, meaning 14% more possibilites of loot.
What people also forget is that when you hunt, mine or craft -or other activities, you get skills. Those skills are worth money, and you can surgically chip them out later on to sell it. Most people forget this when they calculate how much they have earned/lost on a hunting/mining/crafting-spree.
There is also other ways of earning while you're not hunting, like if you're artistic you can do Make-Up, or you can upload original art and try selling that. I know some graphic designers who's made a neat amount of money making advertisement signs for shops.
There's also the free way of getting money, like collecting 'sweats' from mobs, find fruit and stones on the earth, and get oil at the oil rig (prepare to be killed alot though.) however that tends to be alot of work for little money.
I had a friend who was tired of 'losing money' in entropia. So he figured he'd sell out. When he had sold all his skills and items, he realized he had more then he ever put into the game. He PM'ed me saying "I hate them even more now", and went off to buy himself a new computer irl. He was a mid-level hunter. Or not even that.
Bottom line is, just like RL, Entropia is a challenge. But its fully possible to play without losing big bucks, or even small bucks. You just need the know-how and the will. And if you do lose a couple of bucks a month on it, then thats what you payed for the entertainment.
Regards,
Skam
Oh and btw just to make it clear. My nickname isnt Scam, its sKam (means Shame in the scandinavian languages) before anyone comments..
What?
LMAO. I'm not calling you a liar. But seeing this just reminded me of my experience in the game. Almost everyone you run into and talk to in the game will tell you some total BS like all the money they have made or all the thousands of dollars they have made due to their "uber" skills and "mighty brains". And you just KNOW when you're playing looking at them watching them work/play that they are sooooo full of crap.
Just look at the post above. He tells you how "99% of the players" will lose money or whatever but not him, oh ofcourse not. He MADE $2,000. Lmfao. Ofcourse. He is in that special 1% (that you'll run into with 90% of the players) that have made a fortune in the game.
Pretty funny stuff. Atleast I admitted the truth that I lost over $200 USD in about a months time in the game. {winks} But I know... it's 'cuz I'm just a dumbass "Nub" and cuz you're infinately more intelligent then myself. {cough}
Hehe. Sorry, just had to point that out. I had forgot about how 90% of the players in the game will stand around broke as hell in the game but tell you how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they have made playing it. Pretty funny shit actually. Hehe.
- Zaxx
ROFL! Dude find me ingame and I will show you my ped card. I dont care if you believe me or not. The facts that I have put out stand. Peopel are loosing money like mad in that game. And are paying huge amounts of cash for virtual items. And I did make money but I worked hard for it, I didn't gamble like the others. It has nothing to do with being intelligent, it has all to do with understanding bussiness of EU. But I'm just a small fish compared to big winners like Neverdie or Akoz or Neomaven, the big land holders.
I gave you the truth now you do with it whatever you want. I understand you being pissed off for loosing money but that is entirely your fault.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
Hi there...
Just wanted to share my opinion about Entropia Universe, as a semi-long-time player.
I started ~3.5 years ago, and I still love EU, though it ofc it has it's ups and downs.
My view on EU is that it's basically a service, and you can use it in a lot of different ways, hence the many different opinions about it.
Ways to use 'the service' called EU:
Me, I'm there for the fun. Yes, it has a price, but I decide how much to spend, and I'm perfectly able to enjoy myself for a price I find reasonable. I think that if I wanted to quit and sold everything, I'd actually make a little profit, but that's not gonna happen in any foreseeable future.
The thing is that while you deposit money month after month (for the entertainment), you tend to build up more and more valuables in the game, both in the form of skills and various gear. It can be hard to control what's lost and what's still there, because it's not efficient to sell your skills, and as they build and your avatar grows, you 'bind' more and more money in your virtual life. My advice would be not to think of it as investment, but just as money paid to have fun. If you some day wanna quit entirely, you'll have a nice bonus there, but don't base your future RL economy on risky things like virtual valuables.
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That ad hominem about "you're sad and can't go any lower" i'm not even going to try to answer. That's just childish.
I've played this game on and off since 2004, so i know what i'm talking about. Usually, when i'm most active, i use around 10 USD a month. I'm not contesting that you can use ridiculous amounts of money for it, but you don't have to.
Some play it like a game, others play it like a casino, a few invest. I play it as an MMO and i accept it costs me some money every month or so.
Hey, going by your pyramid scheme theory, shouldn't i be making money off the newbies since i'm a long-time player? Damn, i guess they forgot to give me my cut.
Actually, the majority of the big spenders don't make money, they use a lot. I'd never use that much but hey, if you have the money and this is where you want to spend it, i don't mind and don't really care.
Edit: Looks like EU_Vedder beat me to most of it.
If yes then he is one of the EU celebrities
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
Wow, drama and conspiracy theories! All in one post!
But you are right, EU can't be played as other MMO's. You must manage your money more carefully. If you keep playing like a moron after losing the first $50, perhaps you should blame yourself and not the game...?
And most people don't make money, that is also right. 95% of the players play for fun, then there's the profiting 5% that sell items and services to those players. If you call this a pyramid scheme you are making a fool out of yourself.
I can have my issues with EU and the developers, but I try to keep things in perspective. EU is not a pyramid scheme, and the players don't scam small children out of their allowance. It is possible to make money, but you have to invest both time and money to do so.
EU is different. Some people are mature enough to handle it, others are not...
No not skalman just Skam but she is also a well known and much respected player.
As for all the comments about the game been a scam and everyone that says they have not lost a massive amount of money been lairs just grow up people. Yes some people lose money some lots of money but this but there are lots of people who only put in a small amount each month and get along just fine by playing the game using the right gear for there skills and in the case of hunting going for the right lvl of mobs. I have never had a big loot and I never play expecting one I just enjoy the game and play for fun. Going off what the value of my account is now I have doubled what I have paid to play so far but i have not made any money out of the game as I have no intention of selling or withdrawing money from the game. Its just to much fun.
If I started ~3.5 years ago I'm sure I would be still loving it as well.
Its is like a casino. No matter what you do in the game, even sweating, you are not guaranteed a profit. Its all on chance. The reason the globals and hall of fames are broadcast are to keep people playing in hopes that they will get lucky. The more money your deposit doesn't mean your luck will go up any at all.
And don't get me started on Club Neverdie. The company gave a B celebrity a ton of cash and simulated an auction, disconnected the server when it was about to end, etc etc... It was all a marketing gimmick. Yeah don't give up but keep depositing.
I'm not bitter either, I withdrew about 70% of what I put in before I stopped. It definitely has the compulsive/gambling feeling.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
You have to love low post wonders defending their game. You can call it what you please, but the game is gambling pure and simple. If you play this game and you can't recognize you have a gambling addiction I feel sorry for you.
Sorry I have seen first hand what gambling does to people, it is not a pretty sight.
Call this game a MMO is strictly a front, it is exactly the scam it is reported to be. Calling someone respected in this game is like calling a mad dog, nice.
Skam as in Skam indeed
Im definatly not Skalman.
Um, what? If you managed to make a loss on sweating, you're doing something very very very wrong.
When I started out the game, I was 17 years old and didn't have a creditcard. I spent my first months hunting with 500 ammo a round (=5 ped = 0.5 $) when I wasnt chatting or running errands or doing so-called "running". Thats how I earned my first armor set.
It wasnt worth much, but it was a profit.
Sweating is completely free to do. You dont only earn sweat, you also get evade skills and other attribute skills that is worth some if you get enough to chip it out later on. On entropiaforum there has been a couple of threads like "Sweat yourself to a mastercoat" etc, where people have succeded sweating enough to be able to buy themself a piece of garment worth 1000 Peds.
Thats $100 pure profit, without taking into concideration all the evade skills he'd earn from that aswell.
It took him a while, but he proved it to be possible. I have a few society (same as guild/clan..etc.) friends of mine that regulary go sweating when they are low on Peds.
Myself I find it horribly, terribly boring. I make some extra cash by doing Make-Up masks.
(Ped= Project Entropia Dollars. 100 PED = 10 $)
As for the poster above me
They have been investigated for gambling and pyramid schemes and guess what, they were found innocent.
I find it quite funny that you think you know better then the swedish gambling commition, too
Like I mentioned earlier though, Entropia is for grown-ups who cares for a proper challenge and has the know-how to make it.
Im sorry you kids didnt make it in there, but at the end of the day, you only have yourself to blame, as there is so many ways to make it in Entropia.
LMAO. I'm not calling you a liar. But seeing this just reminded me of my experience in the game. Almost everyone you run into and talk to in the game will tell you some total BS like all the money they have made or all the thousands of dollars they have made due to their "uber" skills and "mighty brains". And you just KNOW when you're playing looking at them watching them work/play that they are sooooo full of crap.
Just look at the post above. He tells you how "99% of the players" will lose money or whatever but not him, oh ofcourse not. He MADE $2,000. Lmfao. Ofcourse. He is in that special 1% (that you'll run into with 90% of the players) that have made a fortune in the game.
Pretty funny stuff. Atleast I admitted the truth that I lost over $200 USD in about a months time in the game. {winks} But I know... it's 'cuz I'm just a dumbass "Nub" and cuz you're infinately more intelligent then myself. {cough}
Hehe. Sorry, just had to point that out. I had forgot about how 90% of the players in the game will stand around broke as hell in the game but tell you how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they have made playing it. Pretty funny shit actually. Hehe.
- Zaxx
ROFL! Dude find me ingame and I will show you my ped card. I dont care if you believe me or not. The facts that I have put out stand. Peopel are loosing money like mad in that game. And are paying huge amounts of cash for virtual items. And I did make money but I worked hard for it, I didn't gamble like the others. It has nothing to do with being intelligent, it has all to do with understanding bussiness of EU. But I'm just a small fish compared to big winners like Neverdie or Akoz or Neomaven, the big land holders.
I gave you the truth now you do with it whatever you want. I understand you being pissed off for loosing money but that is entirely your fault.
How would showing me how many PEDs you've made in the game prove how much money you've made? That wouldn't prove crap because you could have easily invested ten times more then you currently have as a balance in the game. But I know.. just like all the other people unwilling to face the truth and likely their own gambling..err I mean Entropia Universe Addiction, you'll tell me you invested only $10 or some other total outright lie.
Call it what you want. This game is WORSE then gambling. Atleast with a slot machine, you can see its a simple gambling device. People use Entropia Universe to basically gamble, and it IS nicely disguised as a game, so people USE that as an EXCUSE. "Oh, it's no big deal that I've BLOWN $5,000 buying PEDS for this game one day I'm gonna strike it rich" must be a line people actually convince themselves of in this game.
It's hard for real world gamblers to admit their gambling addiction, and I can easily see that this game is ever bit as bad... actually it's probably WORSE. Again, this is the brilliance of Mindark as I said in my first post in this thread above. They have created a monster which only feeds peoples own addictive behavior and they are sitting back making a fortune off of peoples natural addictive behavior.
See look at the guys post in response to me. He acts like he spent way less then what he has made in the game. I'm calling BULLSHIT. Then he acts like I and the thousands of players who at least admit to losing money for a short time in this game "idiots" or something by saying "Yeh I'd be mad too if I lost money in the game". All I can say to this is whatever man. The sooner you admit to yourself how much you're pouring into this game VS what you are actually getting in return, the better off you'll be. If you wanna pay $100 or $200 or $500 a month or w/e you spend for an online game, that's perfectly fine and your choice. But atleast be honest with yourself and stop trying to act like because of your super intelligence blah blah blah that you are making mad $$ playing this virtual casino mmo.
- Zaxx
Originally posted by admriker4
Im confused. I thought the game was free to play ? It sounds like the perfect MMO Ive been searching for ever since Star Wars Galaxies changed.
Entropia is free to play in the meaning that you can download the client for free and play for free too. You can deposit money, but noone forces you to do so. I can deposit when I want or need it and this is just beautifull. If I do not have money to deposit, I can do hundreds various things ingame.
I used to deposit in the past and will be depostining in the future. But for example did no single depo since April 2008 (that's almost 2 months by now) and noone locked my account or smthn like this. Decision if you want to deposit is yours and yours only. All depends on how good your imagination is and what a kind of game you want to play. If you want to be the best equipped and highest skilled avatar it can take a couple of years to catch the top players. Or lots of $ if you want to be there faster. But you don't have to be actually the most skilled avatar in this game to enjoy it. You can be succesfull even when your skills are much lower. It's al about what your goals are and what you want to achieve.
I know ingame movie makers, traders, event organisers and also hunters and miners who are basically playing for free. I know also people who were withdrawing money from EU and it was enough to buy a new, state of the art computer. This is the best part of this all. If you decide to quit the game, you can exchange all your skills, items and estates into USD send directly to your bank account. I'm not saying that you will buy yourself a small tropical island for it, but most likely after a while and with some luck you will be able to buy yourself something like high end PC and similar stuff. There are also people who make a living in this game, but true, they have spend few years to achieve this or invested large sums of money before.
Ikavadas, I'm sorry to say it, but it prooves only the fact that EU is not for you and even if you have tried it, you did not do it properly. This is a game that requires thinking for yourself, patience, sticking to your goals and achieving them. And you are wrong, you do not have to buy a land area or thousands of crafting skills to make profit from this game. Bah, even buying a land doesn't mean you will be making money on this game if you do not manage it properly. Nothing is granted, so if you are not able to make a living for your avatar in game it means you did something in wrong way or you have no idea what this game is about.And no, you do not have to pay a single penny to be able to survive, get ammo for your hunting or probes for mining. I played almost 2 years from my 3 ingame without even a single deposit. Now I am forced by RL circumstances to not to deposit again, yet I'm able to have 500 peds on my ped card most the time. Yes, I do not have Skallman's (mentioned by someone here) skills nor eqiupement, but I'm still able to handle 90% of creatures and find 90% of resources.
20$ is not an investment mate. It's trying something. Try going to your bank and tell them that you are willing to "invest" 20$... I wonder what money you will make from this. And that's a shame that you quit back then, my society mate who has been playing since about the same year is now selling some stuff she obtained in the past and she doesn't need anymore... She will make about 4000 USD from this... And this is about how much you lost because of not playing EU since you started an account... You have to pump nothing unless you want to. And yes, even in RL you won't make any money without investing money in the beginning, unless you either rob someone or winn a lottery. EU is not a lotery nor gambling, so why it should be different here. If you want to make real money, you need to invest real money. Trying it out requires not even a single buck spend. Just a bit of patience. Unless you mean by trying out running in the most expensive armor, with the most expensive weapon and after having skills like person who spend 5 years playing this game. Looks like your expectations were just to high or you really ahd a bad mentor or no clue what to do in this game.And no, skills do matter. You had 2000 in rifle or pistol only or in all combat related skills (including evade, athletics and such)? If it's the second case, you have been probably playing for a week or so. It's really not much to learn something about EU. Shame you did not get decent mentor or you were not listening his advices...
Yes, there are Limited items these days, and yes, they can't be rpaired. We can argue how realistic or unrealistic it is, but nowadays Limited items have one good function: they allow you to compete with higher skilled and equipped in expensive stuff guys without having to wait for 5 years until you catch them. Not mentioning, that there still are decent and rather cheap unlimited items you can use and that will be enough for 90% of avatars.
Sweating causes no decay. If it costs you, it means you use armor for that, which you shouldn't do. Plus, if you sweat in proper places you will be supported by other participants: hunters, who will kill creatures that have no more sweat, thus saving your life, focusers, who will make sure you do not loose concentration during sweating, thus saving your time, healers, who will heal you if something kills you anyway. So if you want to gather sweat properly, you have to do it in certain places too.Shoting can cost you as many peds as you want. You choose your weapon, you choose how much ammo you shoot, you choose what creatures you shoot with this weapon.
EU is not gambling. If you play smart, you won't be feeding any slot machine, but you will cycle money you have through the device allowing you to get better skills, better gear, better loot...
It's not the game fault if someone is crazy gambler. If someone lost anything playing this game, it was entirely decision of that person. And such person is the one to blame. Yes, noone will prevent you from selling your house and depositing the money ingame and spending it on hunting or mining... You will have lot's of fun probably, but if you don't think it out carefully, you won't get anything more than fun. It is your choice how to spend money ingame and if you want to waste them or not. If you are a gambler type, you can probably loose that money anyway, in any online game on the market... Yes, even subscription based one, bu buying virtual items on auctions for example. Reasons are simple. 1st, many players think that they did something good that will give them profit. Which is speculation actually. 2nd, all you buy or do in game is some kind of investment. I can for example cash out and get more than I ever deposited in this game. Which means it is kind of investmentas it gave some profit. Real invesments made with real money are: buying a land area (small scale) or buying and asteroid, like Neverdie did. Witha small money you will make smaller investments, means you will have smaller profit. So what? World doesn't contain only Bill gates and The Mass of Rest, there are many stages between Gates and owner of a fish shop in Africa... Don't expect plz, that you will instantly become a new Gates, better find yourself some place in between and maybe if you stick to the goal of becoming as rich as Gates is, you will find yourself equal him someday... Plus, what is different in buying Limited item and selling it with profit from buying unlimited item and selling it with profit? I'm not reselling stuff ingame, but I think you get profit from both selling limited items and unlimited items. The difference is only if you actually use these items. But in RL, when you use the car for X months, you rather do not expect to sell it for exactly the same price you bought it, do you? And if you are just selling cars, without using them, what is the difference if it is blue or red? Once again, you do not have to spend even a single penny. There is no difference if you get ped in loot or resources. Well, actually there is one difference: resources have some markup peds didn't have. It's not much markup, but always something. Better for you if you are a crafter, as you can get things you need just from loot, below market prices. It's better for you if you are a hunter, because you can sell it with markup and get some more peds for your loot. It's the matter of patience and saving your looted stuff or finding a buyer who will buy any ammount of them with some markup. Belive me, it's not that difficult.Yes, oldest avatars are making largest sums. But it's what you were asking for: bigger profit for your hard work. They worked several years for it.
Once again, the more money you spend in game, the more money you will make. But it is up to you if you want to spend them or not. Try going to your bank with 10$ and telling them you want it to be 1000$ next month, I wonder what they say... In EU it actually can become 1000$ next month if you are lucky. If you are not, it will take some more time...
And finally someone who understood EU... It's not about making money like in Vegas casino, with one lucky tosiing the dice, yet it is possible to be just lucky one. It's about constant progress of your skills and not paying for the game. Everything you gathered in game, including your skills can be sold and you can withdraw the money, so they are actually paying you for your time online. No, you do not get 1000$ extra money monthly, unless you want to invest some real money here. But you are being paid for your free time and for your fun. Without having to sell your items on ebay to get something valuable.Dilletti, if your skills were worth 750$ this means you were veteran yourself...
HawkwoodEU.. ANOTHER 1 post guy that comes trotting in here defending this game.
You're whole defense of EU can be COMPLETELY DISCREDITED based on your insanely idiotic statement that "putting money into EU is just like putting money in a bank where you can withdraw it back anytime".
That line of logic is so untrue and such a steaming pile of outright LIE crap that I can smell the stench from here.
Then you really go off the deep end saying that "the more real money you invest, ofcourse the faster you'll make money"
Do you just work for MindArk, or are you really buried that deep in despair and hopelessness to make such statements and actually believe what you say??
Pathetic.
- Zaxx
I will not even comment calling me an idiot, as it only shows the emotional and intelectuall level of some disputants...
But ok, I will post once more, to not to be "1 post guy defending EU".
I won't defend EU completely. As I mentioned, every avatar has better and worse times. And ofc I would prefer to have only those better times. And yes, EU is addictive. But not more addictive than any other MMOG I played so far. Addictive, baceuse it's fun and excitement. Just like fun and excitement is looting some high end sword in any fantasy universe, getting a global or hof or uber item in loot in EU is very exciting.
Now facts.
1. I deposited in EU about 2000$ during 3 years (most last year anyway).
2. Real value of my skills and gear I have in game is about the same. Maybe slightly more, maybe slightly less, it depends on current market prices. Last time I checked I have found out that I can get about the same anytime I deposited in this game.
3. Most of MMORPGs require monthly subscription which I HAVE to pay without a choice other than not playing the given game. In EU I am the person who decides how much and how often I want to deposit, plus I can play without deposits at all.
4. If I decided that I need to cash out, MA will pay me the money I have in game. So actually having fun online I already have earned enough to buy myself state of the art computer, few years old car, house elctronics or something like this. And without going to work, just having the fun with friends, doing what I would do anyway in my free time: playing the game.
5. If I decide that I want to quit RL work, EU gives me possibilities to make a living from this game. Yes, I would have to make an investment, but if I wanted for example to get rid of my boss and start my own company IRL, I would have to make such investment too.
All "defenders" above are right that EU player has to be just mature. It's not game for everyone, definetely not for teenagers living in their soap bulb, thinking that they can become rich and famous just with one snap of their fingers. You can not. It's not a dream or fairy tale. If you want to succeed, you have to be realistic and work hard to achieve it. That's what EU requires: working hard and sticking to your goals.
Ah, about bank account, I will explain it as it seems to be not easy to understand.
When you start bank account, it works basically like this: you put there money, bank is investing your money, you get some profits from it too. Am I wrong? I don't think so. If you withdraw your money, leaving almost no cash on your account, your bank will be able to make only much smaller profits from your money. If you place a bigger sum there, they will be able to invest more, thus making bigger profit for themselves and you too.
Here comes EU. You deposit some money and if you invest them wisely, you will make some profit. If you deposit more, you can rotate bigger ammount of money, invest in more profitable things and make bigger profit. Just like in RL bank. The profit you are able to make depends on ammount of money your are able to invest. But, to make any profit from the RL bank you actually have to give them money. In EU you can choose not to deposit and pay with your free time.
I didn't call EU a bank account, I just compared it to bank account to let all who never actually played or understood EU to understand it now. As an example, parabola. But it looks like I overestimated ability to understand even simple things by some people. I hope you will understand them eventually when you will reach the age allowing you to buy a beer in the pub. Otherwise you have already wasted your lives, I'm, affraid...
What I find interesting is the topics of investment and earning money from this title.
But yet, providing the same amount of time, energy, work and even money will provide greater results in the real world. How so? Using such resources to buy properties to improve one's passive income (no, it is not flipping houses).
Which is why I do not participate in this title. I pay to play games for fun, not .... for work.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I never called you an idiot. I said you made "idiotic" statements. BIG difference.
I atleast thank you for coming back with an intelligent and non deceptive response.
The fact is that playing EU and having fun is MUCH more expensive if you were to figure it out per hour then paying $15 for a traditional style mmo. You can EASILY dump $15 and be spent and out of ammo and have broken armor in less then an hour, where a traditional mmo you'll have a full month of game time.
- Zaxx
Noone prohibits you from having fun in EU. It is fun, but you get some nice bonus too which you do not get in other MMOGs
I never called you an idiot. I said you made "idiotic" statements. BIG difference.
I atleast thank you for coming back with an intelligent and non deceptive response.
The fact is that playing EU and having fun is MUCH more expensive if you were to figure it out per hour then paying $15 for a traditional style mmo. You can EASILY dump $15 and be spent and out of ammo and have broken armor in less then an hour, where a traditional mmo you'll have a full month of game time.
- Zaxx
I am able to cycle even hundreds of USD in EU, but what for? I used to cycle about 20$ per month, now I do not deposit at all. Temporarily probably, have more important expenses IRL and probably will be depositing in the future again. Still, decision when and if to do this is mine only.
15$ per month is enough for having fun in EU, especially that you do not need even this. It's just the matter of "fun" term and it's definition. If fun for you means killing hundreds of monsters around some village, than EU is not for you. Here you will have to make good choices of what to do with this money and find some fun which does not need money at all. There are lots of things one can do in EU without money (usually without making any profits too, but if you use your RL skills, you will be able to make some profit without peds too). EU is demanding and challenging games, requires creativity from participants. If someone can't be creative and can't find anything to do ingame, obviously it's not the place for him.
But for some reason EU has plenty of active players. Yes, we sometimes complain about some things on entropia forum, but we still play. Most of us having fun - those who do not have fun in this game usually just sell all their posessions and cash out. And I don't think EU community is kinda masochistic one and that we are all allowing MA just to scam us all the time. The playerbase is quite stable, there are still players who started few years ago and they are still having fun. It all means that EU is just a well made piece of work. Well made not for MA only, but for us, participants too...