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  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    Nothing like making false statements to make this game seem innocuous. 

    If you don't get it by now, they want you to feed the game money, it just means more for them.

    Anyone who says you can play this game without spending any money is basically lying through their teeth. About the only thing you can do freely is wander around aimlessly.

    Saying anything positive about this game just marks you are a shill for Mindark, one of the more dispicable developers out there.

  • MollyMMollyM Member Posts: 2

    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    Nothing like making false statements to make this game seem innocuous. 
    If you don't get it by now, they want you to feed the game money, it just means more for them.
    Anyone who says you can play this game without spending any money is basically lying through their teeth. About the only thing you can do freely is wander around aimlessly.
    Saying anything positive about this game just marks you are a shill for Mindark, one of the more dispicable developers out there.
    Point 1: Please tell me which statements I have made that are false.

     

    Point 2: You say that feeding the game means I will get more back. I'd like to hear how you reach this conclusion. Do you mean that MA will somehow reward me for posting my experiences on this forum?

     

    Point 3: It's a cheap shot to call someone a liar from behind the safety and anonymity of your internet connection. What I don't see is anything more than your opinion . Care to give me something to support that opinion?

     

    Point 4: To consider that everyone who has something positive to say about EU is simply 'a shill for MA' is naive and simplistic at best. You present as someone who hasn't enjoyed the little time they spent there and who couldn't or wouldn't see that there are positive as well as negative aspects to EU - the same as everything else.

     

    Rather than throwing out blanket assertions about 'everybody' or 'everything', try addressing yourself to the actual issues that concern you. And give some evidence or experience to back up these assertions. If you have any.

     

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    Originally posted by EU_Vedder

    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    You have to love low post wonders defending their game.  You can call it what you please, but the game is gambling pure and simple.  If you play this game and you can't recognize you have a gambling addiction I feel sorry for you.
    Sorry I have seen first hand what gambling does to people, it is not a pretty sight. 
    Call this game a MMO is strictly a front, it is exactly the scam it is reported to be.  Calling someone respected in this game is like calling a mad dog, nice.

    It's true that far the majority of people spend more money than they get back, but that's the same for all MMOs.

    You should play EU for the fun imo.

    Pay as much as you think the fun is worth to you, or play for free if you don't like paying at all. If you don't have fun, then quit. Simple as that.

     

    You obviously don't like EU. Most people who hate EU as much as you, came to EU thinking they could win some easy money, and get very disappointed.

    That's ofc not the right reason to start playing EU, and it's really kinda stupid if you think about it. Only your own stupidity to blame if that's why you hate it.

    Kinda lame too, to spread lies about it being a scam. But I guess 'high post wonder' on this forum doesn't really mean your have any credibility. Sad sad, but now that I've stated my opinion, I don't really care anymore.

    I'll just go back to 'my game' and have some fun.

    bb

    /Vedder

     





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    People mentioning the game being a scam got me thinking. Is Mindark doing the following?

     

    A confidence trick, confidence game, or con for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the mark) usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the shill, who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that Neverdie is the shill because he tries to make you believe you will get financial gain while there are long time players have never gained anything. Why wouldn't he explain to players that in order to experience the game to the fullest they might need to deposit, not invest, large amounts of money.

    Is it misleading for them to say the game and software are free to play, but once you get into the game and discover its mechanics other players have inflated expensive items and they are not attainable unless you deposit large amounts of money? Sure you can have fun and not deposit but if you want to try other professions you are forced to deposit large sums of money. This is misleading and does not seem balanced to me. Everyones perception of fun is different but having to deposit more money to have more fun does not seem like a game to me and Mindark should not call it a game so much.

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  • DarkanerDarkaner Member Posts: 6

     

    Originally posted by Briansho





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    People mentioning the game being a scam got me thinking. Is Mindark doing the following?

     

    A confidence trick, confidence game, or con for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the mark) usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the shill, who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that Neverdie is the shill because he tries to make you believe you will get financial gain while there are long time players have never gained anything. Why wouldn't he explain to players that in order to experience the game to the fullest they might need to deposit, not invest, large amounts of money.

    Is it misleading for them to say the game and software are free to play, but once you get into the game and discover its mechanics other players have inflated expensive items and they are not attainable unless you deposit large amounts of money? Sure you can have fun and not deposit but if you want to try other professions you are forced to deposit large sums of money. This is misleading and does not seem balanced to me. Everyones perception of fun is different but having to deposit more money to have more fun does not seem like a game to me and Mindark should not call it a game so much.

     

    MindArk does have problems when it comes to marketing the game, which we can see very clearly in this thread for example. Some people who had the wrong idea about EU when they tried it become very bitter and hostile, and this in turn creates a lot of negative publicity. MA should focus more on showing the gaming aspects of EU instead of how much money you can make.

    A part of what creates this problem is that the media (naturally) focus on the spectacular aspects of EU, like the fact that there are people making money in it. The article this thread is based on is a good example. They interview Buzz, one of the most well known players in EU, who has spent insane amounts of money and time on the game and is one of very few who can withdraw large sums of money. He is hardly the average EU player.

    Here's a good interview with MA-Frank.

    Even though the interviewer is clueless ("can you play against your friends in this game?" No, it's the first single player MMOG... ffs...), I think Frank does a good job. He is hardly scamming or misleading anyone.

     

  • seanseanseansean Member Posts: 119

    Yeah, I played this. Look, it's not a scam, per se, as they do deliver the promised gaming experience, they disclose everything..but, the deck is stacked. It's a setup for you to lose money. You WILL deposit, if you want to have fun, because sweating is about as fun as having your balls stuck in a vise. It's possible to make money, but, hey, it's also possible angelina jolie will leave brad pitt for me, but I don't think it's gonna happen Unless you have a lot of time and disposable income, don't bother.

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    I'm sorry, but not everyone who sees MA and EU for what it is "...had the wrong expectations."  I sat there and scoured over the EU forum site for weeks before I even started.  I had a great mentor to help me along.  I knew what I should have been doing.  In fact, if you ask my former mentor (Poisonhearts, a pretty respected member of the community) what my goal was when I started it was to plunk down my initial investment and then basically pay into EU the cost of the average subscription per month (I was willing to ratchet it up to twenty a month because I was desperate for a sandbox).

    I threw down an initial investment, bought my pixie armor, my opalo carbine, and my TT mining reader and mineral extractor.  Every last cent I had thereafter went to ammo and bombs.  Mostly bombs.

    I spent 25% of my time hunting and 75% mining.  I knew full well that hunting would be a losing proposition from research (I hunted those dinosaur and octopus looking things in that northern area which basically looked like it had a bunch of dicks growing out of the ground).  I knew full well that resource spawns apparently followed no observable pattern of spawn (like there won't be a vein of a certain resource that you can key on) and that for some reason people said mining on the coasts was the best (this is indeed confirmed by a huge amount of people on the EU Forum site).

    I never once bought any upgrades over the course of the month and a half I played this game.  The equipment I have on my toon right now is the same equipment I had first purchased when I entered the game world.  I had every expectation and knew full well I had to manage my money wisely.

    End result?  I made it about a week on my thirty dollars.  I rarely ever died.  I explored around to get the various teleporters.  I never once paid any taxes for private land use.  I never bought anything nice.  Every last cent went towards bombs and power cells.

    What did I have to show for it after my thirty bucks of PED ran out?  Dick.  How people can defend this game as anything but a gambling racket is beyond me.  How does a dime slot machine work?  You put in a dime, pull the lever, and hope for the best.  How does mining work?  You buy a bomb (the dime), drop it (pull the lever), and hope for the best (hope for the best).

    I feel absolutely retarded that EU scammed me out of about seventy bucks but at least I realized what this game was before it was too late.  And if I couldn't make it, after all of that research, having hard copies of continental maps at my disposal (basically the same care and forethought I put into SWG which is pretty substantial) what chance does an average player have?

    That's why this is a casino.  Intelligent approach means nothing and gets you nowhere.  You either have a massive amount of PED banked that you can invest into something which will easily provide returns (basically any piece of land in the game will pay for itself over time pretty easily if you're not retarded and just keep it stocked with game) or you hit a few big payouts through sheer luck when hunting or mining or finding a spaceship.

    But really though, the only difference between a casino and EU is the interface.

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  • SecromSecrom Member Posts: 318

    I started playing EU during the beta (rather, Project Entropia beta). I've never been a die-hard player but I keep going back to it. Basically I've seen quite a bunch of version updates.

    Anyway a few misconceptions I've seen in the comments so far:

    - "Avatar skills don't mean much". Not quite true, the higher your skills, the more proefficient you get at using equipment to its maximum potential. With guns that means getting the most damage out of each shot, if you have high evade you're get hit less often and your armor deteriorates slower, while mining you can prospect larger areas with each bomb/probe.

    Sure, whether you "hit the jackpot" (since the gambling analogy seems popular) doesn't depend on skills, but the loot/revenue sure does since you're able to go after bigger stuff at a lower cost.

    - "Old timers have an edge over newcomers". Again, not quite true. Yes they do have the advantage of higher avatar skills and potentially better stuff, though doesn't that sound familiar?

    However, over the course of the VUs, several things have been implemented to make it easier for new players to get into EU. Like the oil rig or sweating. One can also collect fruits and dung (not too glorious but hey...).  New arrivals now all happen in one major city, with tutorial NPCs and a live Guide. The crafting system was revamped and streamlined a few years ago which got the veterans grind teeth. And so on...

    EU shares a lot with MMOs but builds on a different philosophy... The developers don't even market it as a game, insisting on the "virtual universe" tag line. I find that kinda lousy myself though I can see their point.

    Anyway, it's got a steep learning curve and investing time and/or money is definitely needed. It's another niche product that is easy to trashtalk in an attempt to compare to everything else, but then you're missing the whole point.

    I like that it's completely open-ended and that I can pretty much do whatever I want (within the game's mechanics of course). Mining (primarily), hunting, crafting...

    I prefer mining because it requires a good understanding of how deposits work and YES it DOES make a difference if you play it right. Basically, if you all do is "click and hope" you got it all wrong.

    Do I have any gripes towards EU or MindArk? I sure do, I could have done without some features and changes they implemented. Though as I said, you have to take a completely different approach if you really want to have an objective view about it.

    You have to think long term.

  • rvjones10rvjones10 Member UncommonPosts: 100
    Originally posted by Darkaner


    Lots of disgruntled people here... I had to register just so that I could say this.
    I think much of the negativity comes from people who expected something else than what they got. EU is quite different from most other MMO's, and those who expect to become uber after a few weeks of grinding will of course be disappointed. And if you expect quests and storylines, you will also be disappointed.
    EU is a game for people with money. Other MMO's gives benefits to those who spend a lot of time, EU gives benefit to those with cash. To me this is great, as I can't compete with youngsters who has nothing better to do than spend 12 hours a day in front of the computer.
    And jeans does not cost $200. More like $60-70. :)



    This is being a game for people with money is 100% true.  EU is unique in that it allow people with disposable income to use their  wallet to make them better than everyone else in game. Most MMO's best players are the folks who don't leave the house for weeks at a time.  The only way a casual gamer on a budget can compete is to play a pure twitch game like an FPS.

  • gagaliyagagaliya Member Posts: 54

     

    Originally posted by admriker4


    well Im so desperate for a sandbox MMO that I downloaded Entropia. However I couldnt get past naming my avatar. No matter what name I choose, someone else either had it or it was too close to someone else's name. I was using common english names, artsy fantasy names, any combo, etc and no matter what name or variation of it, entropia said it was taken. After a half hr of this, I deleted the game



    Admriker4, are you kidding? you quit over not able to find a name? After that long post on AoC forum about finding the perfect sandbox game. 

     Well let me tell you, EU is THE sandbox game, there will never be another like it.

    You can buy a store, you can buy a mall and rent out the stores inside, you can organze your store however you want with different layouts and furnitures,  you can own land then buy/find different DNA to create creatures to put in your area for other players to hunt, you can become a beautician, you can craft most anything in the game, you can fly a spaceship, you can literally do whatever you want. You gain skill by doing it, there are no artifical level or caps.

    Dont listen to all those wow idiots, EU is a completely different game, it is an adult game and takes more than just leet fast finger skillz and trash talk to succeed. Yes it takes money to play for some professions and the end game is very expensive.  But that's the whole point of a sand box mmorpg, otherwise everyone would be right on the top tier doing the same thing. There are so many different paths in the game once you get pass the initial learning curve, it's really up to you.

    What most of those newbies are whining here is going down the path of a strict hunter(killing monsters). Of course if you played the entire game as a hunter, you are playing against the developer.  Mining and hunting, you are trying to get developer to give you money (in the form of mob loot/ores).  OBVIOUSLY they will not give you more than you invested in the game. This is not (*#*(@ wow where you can farm 100000 gold a day and every item in the game is in 6 figures after a few months. Even if you play a hunter, if you play efficiently and do your research, you still dont need a lot of money, about the same as a monthly subscription. 

    But the meat of the game is not as a hunter,  here's a giant hint for your morons, you make money in the game by playing a profession that makes money FROM PLAYERS NOT MINDARK. Of course some players love to hunt and dont mind paying a bit money each month, which is perfectly fine too.

    The only downside of the game right now is the graphics are a bit outdated so it doesnt look that nice, once the game gets facelift from crytek2 probably by next year realistically, it will be truely perfect.

    I love the idea of putting a real dollar vaue to the in game currency, everyone takes the game much more seriously and the quality of people playing the game is also much different than your "i ownz j00" high school crowds in wow.

     

  • LynxJSALynxJSA Member RarePosts: 3,334
    Originally posted by gagaliya



    Dont listen to all those wow idiots, EU is a completely different game, it is an adult game and takes more than just leet fast finger skillz and trash talk to succeed. Yes it takes money to play for some professions and the end game is very expensive.  But that's the whole point of a sand box mmorpg, otherwise everyone would be right on the top tier doing the same thing.
    ....


    I love the idea of putting a real dollar vaue to the in game currency, everyone takes the game much more seriously and the quality of people playing the game is also much different than your "i ownz j00" high school crowds in wow.
     



    Well, maybe for you the point of a sandbox game is paying real cash out the ass for things, but for a lot of us the definition is different.

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  • gagaliyagagaliya Member Posts: 54

    What are you talking about, having the currency pegged to the USD does not mean paying cash "out of the ass" for everything.  You can certainly play it that way just blow cash on the game, but you dont have to, and most dont.  Get a clue.

     

     

    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by gagaliya



    Dont listen to all those wow idiots, EU is a completely different game, it is an adult game and takes more than just leet fast finger skillz and trash talk to succeed. Yes it takes money to play for some professions and the end game is very expensive.  But that's the whole point of a sand box mmorpg, otherwise everyone would be right on the top tier doing the same thing.
    ....


    I love the idea of putting a real dollar vaue to the in game currency, everyone takes the game much more seriously and the quality of people playing the game is also much different than your "i ownz j00" high school crowds in wow.
     



    Well, maybe for you the point of a sandbox game is paying real cash out the ass for things, but for a lot of us the definition is different.

     

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    What a bunch of hogwash trying to call this game a perfect sandbox lol.  It is strictly a casino, nothing else, it is NOT even close to being what us MMOer's call a sandbox.  How dare you to denigrate the definition of a sandbox game.

    It is tragedy that some try to paint this game in a favorable light.

  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449

    Originally posted by HawkwoodEU


     
    About younger avatars I know and who are better equipped or skilled than me. Or as good as me, yet they played much shorter. They are not avatars of one person and I can assure you of this.
     
    ...
    Why some avas could be more succesfull than me? For example they did something better than I or wiser. There is no official guide telling you: "if you go and shoot X ammount of X creatures at X hours, you will get 1k ped". You need to learn yourself what you should do and adapt to circumstances. Maybe I wasn't adapting fast enough. Yes, they could have deposited more than me, so having more money to cycle they received higher reward. Some of them might have used exploits ingame. Some could have used bots for skilling (yes, like in every online game there are players in EU who do not play fair) and noone caught them doing so. Some of them could trade more than I (which is not difficult, as I do not trade at all) and make some profit from this, which allowed them to get better gear. Some of them were probably just lucky.
    Which all goes to show that to there is validity to the original statement, in order to catch up requires more expenditure.

    Originally posted by HawkwoodEU


    Don't really understand what do you mean by saying F2P Sales Speech Package #8? I'm just telling you the truth.
    I know you are telling the truth.  The problem is, that those statements made of being a free game and there are ways to keep playing for free, have all been used in other F2P games.  Hence the slang term of "speech packages."  Or if you prefer, "I've heard that before."

    And that is why...

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  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449

    Originally posted by gagaliya
    But the meat of the game is not as a hunter,  here's a giant hint for your morons, you make money in the game by playing a profession that makes money FROM PLAYERS NOT MINDARK. Of course some players love to hunt and dont mind paying a bit money each month, which is perfectly fine too.
    Here's a hint to making money, buy property and gain positive cashflow from renting.  Works much better in the real world than in virtual worlds.

    The amount of time and money being sunk into EU to make positive money would produce better results if used in the real world.

     

     

    And that is why...

    Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.

  • LagavulinLagavulin Member Posts: 16

    One thing is blatantly obvious when reading this thread. Entropia creates emotion. That is good.

    Another thing this thread proves is that people that don't get gets angry and people that get it gets rich.

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    Originally posted by Lagavulin


    One thing is blatantly obvious when reading this thread. Entropia creates emotion. That is good.
    Another thing this thread proves is that people that don't get gets angry and people that get it gets rich.

    Money does crazy stuff to people.

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • Nytewolf2k7Nytewolf2k7 Member Posts: 181
    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    What a bunch of hogwash trying to call this game a perfect sandbox lol.  It is strictly a casino, nothing else, it is NOT even close to being what us MMOer's call a sandbox.  How dare you to denigrate the definition of a sandbox game.
    It is tragedy that some try to paint this game in a favorable light.

    So you know better than the swedish gaming commision then do you?

    Sick of playing Entropia Universe? Want to quit, but don't want your hard earned money to vanish? Give your items to ME :-)

  • ZDPhoenixZDPhoenix Member UncommonPosts: 218

    I don't get what he was talking about with Storyline. There really isn't a fluid state of affairs in that game.

    I really despised EU after having to do something called "Sweat" (harvest sweat off animals) for 3 days when I first started. I found that pretty crappy of any development team, and because of that have done my part to dissuade people I know from trying it.

     

    You should never introduce such a tedious form of grinding from the very start of a game.

     

    I really think MMORPG shouldn't support this game.

     

    The Ped for Cash system is borderline fraudulent/scamming. Despite being F2P.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    Originally posted by Nytewolf2k7

    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    What a bunch of hogwash trying to call this game a perfect sandbox lol.  It is strictly a casino, nothing else, it is NOT even close to being what us MMOer's call a sandbox.  How dare you to denigrate the definition of a sandbox game.
    It is tragedy that some try to paint this game in a favorable light.

    So you know better than the swedish gaming commision then do you?


    I could care less who or what the Swedish gaming commission is.  I only know from personal experiences with the game.   I think that overrides what any silly commission does or thinks.  Too many commissions are just rubber stamps for their industry, leaving most of us to pretty much ignore what comes out of any commission.

    Next time quote a viable source.

    Sorry if I insulted anyone that plays this game, but I do feel sorry for you.

  • zagreoszagreos Member Posts: 53

    guys this game is not what it seems to be. You get stupider as you play it.

    You can make more money with a job common now. you have to sweat as a newbie and the chances of you becoming really rich is pretty hard in the game. everything is hard but trust me when i say this is not worth your time. you'll sweat for hours and you'll end up with a few buck real life money. you'll merchant and everything but the sum all ends up being way LESS THAN YOUR ENERGY BILL.

    DOn't think you can play and make money easy. it'll be better to work for it in real life.

  • LagavulinLagavulin Member Posts: 16

    Here is a good example of how Entropia is funny and rewarding:

    http://www.massively.com/2008/06/05/entropia-universe-bidding-war-leads-to-12-000-payout-for-newbie

     

    "How would you like to wake up and find that you made $12,000 overnight? Seems like a dream, doesn't it? How would you like to have that $12,000 come from a single drop you found one day while farming in your favorite MMO? Now it seems even more like a dream."

     

    Which other MMO can the above happen? None. Correct!

  • ecatorecator Member Posts: 14

    Originally posted by Lagavulin


    Here is a good example of how Entropia is funny and rewarding:
    http://www.massively.com/2008/06/05/entropia-universe-bidding-war-leads-to-12-000-payout-for-newbie
     
    "How would you like to wake up and find that you made $12,000 overnight? Seems like a dream, doesn't it? How would you like to have that $12,000 come from a single drop you found one day while farming in your favorite MMO? Now it seems even more like a dream."
     
    Which other MMO can the above happen? None. Correct!
    ..and that makes "the game" somehow not like a casino then?

     

  • LagavulinLagavulin Member Posts: 16

    Originally posted by ecator


     
    Originally posted by Lagavulin


    Here is a good example of how Entropia is funny and rewarding:
    http://www.massively.com/2008/06/05/entropia-universe-bidding-war-leads-to-12-000-payout-for-newbie
     
    "How would you like to wake up and find that you made $12,000 overnight? Seems like a dream, doesn't it? How would you like to have that $12,000 come from a single drop you found one day while farming in your favorite MMO? Now it seems even more like a dream."
     
    Which other MMO can the above happen? None. Correct!
    ..and that makes "the game" somehow not like a casino then?

     

     

    You can also call the thing we all share, Life, as a casino as well if you take that perspective. Everything in life is a gamble. So your comment is in my pov useless.

  • dtportnoy69dtportnoy69 Member Posts: 28

    I put 10$ in like 3 -4 years ago and I haven't had to put money in again! I could play 2 maybe  3 hours a year!!! Amazing! Wooohoooo.

    Whether a few people make money because they "know" how to play doesn't take a way from the fact that this game has the amazing ability to make people broke! The game basically feeds on the weak, who can get addicted to their game. But unlike every other MMO the weak don't just get ganked, they get broke in Real Life and are subject to the same effects of gambling addiction. For mmorpg.com to promote these guys (oh I'm sure they paid the right price) is very sad.

     

    I liked alot of things about this game, reminded me alot of Ultima Online with it's vast open world. If you honestly want to make the most of this game, then just go in to socialize and run around, which you can do for free... as exciting as that sounds.

    They should be forced by law to put gambling warnings and supply links to support groups for those poor souls who get addicted.

    I'm all up for business in MMO's. Getting users involved in RMT is amazing, giving them the ability to make profits, not many games offer that. SOE has their exchange servers, while not the best and most popular the concept is there. I'd rather the ability to make profit (from a game) from time investment rather than gambling. Having a monthly subscription is like having an investment cap on a game, so you don't go broke.

    But let's now look at the business models that are becoming more mainstream. While pay-per-month is profitable alot of publishers will now offer Free games with item malls. In moderation, it's not so bad. Games are still very playable and fun without purchasing from these "malls", but those users who are addicted can end up spending ALOT of money, just like in EU.

    I just don't like seeing gamers go poor. It's just not cool.

    Everything in moderation. I just wouldn't suggest EU to anyone just like I wouldn't suggest gambling to anyone, but those who love to gamble would do so.

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