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Age of Conan is a failure, I sure hope SGW isnt making the same mistakes...
admriker4
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Well another MMO launched and once again I find myself disappointed. Age of Conan didnt even come close to what I had hoped for in an MMO. And frankly, it isnt a true MMO but rather an MO.
Ive read the FAQ on SGW site, it doesnt really go into details so Im assuming it isnt know yet. So I'll direct this to the devs of SGW...
- please make us a seamless game to play in. I understand making seperate zones for each world but dont overdo it. Dont seperate each zone into mirrored instances with a 50 player cap like Age of Conan did. Dont make us wait on load screens for every door we open or everytime I enter a town. This is an MMO after all, I want to see hundreds if not thousands of players around me.
- please make the game more sandbox design than Linear. I dont need an amusement park ride MMO experience. Those games appeal to the lowest common denominator and never have long-term replay value. I like quests but it shouldnt be forced on me. I dont need 5,000 quests to be happy. Im fine with a gun, open terrain, and freedom to choose my own destiny. If I buy one more MMO and find I need to kill 10 boars over and over to level up Im going to toss my computer out the window.
- I read that there will be non-combat options. Some mini-games is mentioned. Im excited by this and would recommend you expand upon that idea. I wouldnt mind playing a toon that never has to pick up a rifle. The nerdy archaelogist in the movie wasnt a fighter but was a hero nonetheless. I would love a class that just repairs weapons in the field or makes bullets or solves puzzles that helps out a group encounter. Or even better, helps build encampments.
- Rethink the housing idea. Its important to vet MMO gamers. Expand on it and allow us to build small towns or encampments in the world we have access too. And please, no instanced towns. We want it in the gameworld and not some tucked away instance zone like LOTR does. There could be two types of towns...temporary encampment (think a small campfire with tents) to help heal wounds, rest, repair, etc. And then a permanent town with simple housing, a watering hole, etc. Both would be built by that non-combat class I mentioned before.
Im sick and tired of every MMO since Star Wars Galaxies ending up in my trash can. I dont enjoy WoW clones yet every developer thinks I do. SGW's audience is more mature and sophisticated, dont give us a design thats meant to appeal to the dumbed down masses. Give us a game meant for gamers
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I am another dissapointed MMO gamer. I am glad that I didn't have to upgrade my rig for AoC.
Non-combat options is something that I am looking forward to try. I am tired of playing MMOs at the moment because they don't bring nothing new to the table.
On the flip side, if I hand you a gun and open terrain to "find your own destiny" with zero NPC errands, tasks or quests, what exactly would you have left to do? Oh yeah... kill 10 boars. Over and Over. And over. Just like an Asian F2P game.
On the flip side, if I hand you a gun and open terrain to "find your own destiny" with zero NPC errands, tasks or quests, what exactly would you have left to do? Oh yeah... kill 10 boars. Over and Over. And over. Just like an Asian F2P game.
I completely agree that the quest grinding does become entirely mind numbing as evidenced in WoW. I would like to see a broad range in a field of objectives - I don't want to be required to fulfill 90-something quest chains to be able to participate in an offensive on a raid styled boss, but i am willing to go into an adventure with a group or on my own that will appropriately reward me for my time.
On the flip side, if I hand you a gun and open terrain to "find your own destiny" with zero NPC errands, tasks or quests, what exactly would you have left to do? Oh yeah... kill 10 boars. Over and Over. And over. Just like an Asian F2P game.
a nice crafting system can justify the open terrain and zero NPC errands.
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It's only justified for the crafters though. Adventurers remain in a perpetual "now what?" state. Also don't forget there are some players who downright resent crafting (and economies) at all and would prefer all drops.
I agree with the OP.
Game killers are:
1) Too many instances (why even PLAY an MMO if everyone's in their own instance???)
2) Non-sandbox (Forcing players into mandatory levelling, questing, locking us out of zones until we'veb levelled, etc.)
3) Irrelevant crafting (what's the point of being a crafter when loot drops are better than anything you can craft, or when players cannot be looted? They keep their "leet" gear forever, and there's no demand for what crafters make.)
4) No economy (WoW's "auctionhouse" system makes it impossible to form small local economies with local vendors)
5) Insta Travel (being able to "blink" from Point-A to Point-B makes any "chance encounters" totally improbable. This is why people 'gate-camp', there's no other way to get in fights. This is, after all, an MMO.)
6) No FFA PvP (this is my peronal opinion. There should be at least a couple of FFA PvP servers. I know some people don't like this, but I can't stand the numb feeling of the PvE servers with their training wheels and safety nets everywhere.)
And another thing that kills games: F2P with a "pay for items" system. This always fails among western gamers. They seem popular in Korea though. I dunno.
- Phos
This post reminds me of when someone loses their job and thinks an entire corporation will crumble to the ground without them. Just because some random forum guy says a game is a failure doesn't make it true. As for SGW, I have no interest in it... so it will fail.... yeeaaahhhh. Not everyone shares your opinion on what makes a good game.
AoC is not a failure, it's a failure to the OP. And obviously there's people who share his opinion. So it's more like just one person. Honestly, he might've worded the title a bit wrong, but respect what he wants. Who knows, maybe you'll find yourself wanting the same things in the future.
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Order of the White Border.
I have to agree, epsecially since their was an article that said that this was the biggest PC MMO opening of all time...yeah thats a real failure if I ever saw one. The game could have been better if it didn't have loading zones but I like the fighting style. This game will hopefully change the way characters attack on MMO's. I also like how the world seems a little more alive, you see animals and other mobs attack each other, mobs walk around more than in regular MMO's, in towns you see people walking around, kids running, cats chasing dogs. Its little things but its kind of cool to see. I would have liked to see day and night change and weather change, and a full eco system, but that didn't happen. The game is fun.
I am looking forward to stargate world and I'm hoping they do it right. I love the shows and the movie, so a good game would make me and many other fans very happy.
I think you just need a long mmo vacation.. get a girl friend, have some friends over etc
agree...pls dont make an mmo a la age of conan..or im going nuts and kill miself
im not sure how mature as an answer hey mate go get a girlfriend or get some friends, rather a reply of a 10 y old kid , or a complete moron...
this is an opinion about how this guy feels about the TRUE continual cheating of developers which instead of trying to make something its really fun to play they expect us to buy every piece of shit they develop...
Considering your 1st paragraph mate i cant agree cause i cant think what machine i should have if AOC wouldnt have some zones, and in same screen would appear more than 200 ppl ,since from what i hear
ppl with dual core and decent graficks cards as AOC is right now they already having problems with loading
times..
I agree with you that in an mmo rpg therer shouldnt be much instanced zones..it should be like wow areas ..free to run adventure and explore,wow which i already am so bored of after playing it 3 years ofc..which shows us it has some addictive elements.
AOC in my opinion wont fail..its much better from the king of mmos -->wow...and if i try to recall how wow looked like on launch heh no comparison,aoc wins.
i DO expect though from funcom if possible to contain the instancing part in future and gief ppl a flavour of freedom in their choises and adventuring..
Well I wouldn't say AoC is a failure, it definately has it's short comings.
A seamless world is not overly important. I like areas being capped at so many people. Areas and spawns can only handle so many people. I'm all for competition but there is a point where it stops being competition and starts being ridiculous.
MMO have become way to linear. A nice mix between the two would be great.
Non-combat skills/systems that amount to anything besides wastes of time and money have been sorely missed.
I agree player housing is very important. But I wouldn't mind it being tucked away in some corner like AoC or LOTRO. I wouldn't want another UO where housing over ran the world.
It is not what it said it was, definitely released too early.
I miss Everquest. That game had some similar features of SWG, and miss the whole sandbox "figure it out" type of game. No map, no quest guides, no soloing to max level. It is a MMO, lets make sure you have to group to gain levels. Im so tired of the WoW clones.
Your title is a failure if anything is a failure. You posted your title as if it were some kind of well known fact and that couldb further from the case. If you don't like the game. OK. It isn't for everyone. But to make a title the way you did...was wrong. It is your opinion on how "you" feel toward the game.
I am enjoying it very much and so are hundreds of thousands of others.
get out of Tortage and you'll see that.
A failure? It's got 400.000 Subscribers the day it hit the shelves
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I don't play it either but the fact that you do not like it, OP, does not make it a failure...
preace.
Don't want to be a party pooper but I would at least research this game a bit, before posting. I know the game is still in development but the concept may surprise you.
That pretty much sums it up.
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I think the relevance of the OP's entire post was tossed out the window by the title of the thread. Had it been along the lines of "Age of Conan isn't what I was hoping for, I sure hopee SWG (oops, subliminal slip) SGW isn't making the same mistakes.
I knew before I got to the end OP was yet another damaged SWG gamer, who's been looking for a replacement since SOE screwed it all up.
But I'm going to guess SGW will resemble WOW far more closely than SWG but will admit to doing no research. (but that's OK, because OP didn't either)
I'd like to see a more open world, but have no interest at all in either housing or crafting. I'm firmly in the camp that if I'm out adventuring, I'd better be getting great drops. I never want to be dependent on the crafting community for my gear, so my games better have an auction house too.
Everyone likes different things, and no, just because we do doesn't make us the "lowest common denominator", just like the game features you want don't make you "veteran MMO gamers"
I hope we see more Sandbox type games, but right now I think the only things on the horizon are DF and Earthrise for the most part, and who knows if they'll ever see the light of day.
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This seems contradictory, wouldn't having an auction house mean that you are being dependent on the crafting community?
This seems contradictory, wouldn't having an auction house mean that you are being dependent on the crafting community?
Not the crafting community, other players who are getting the good drops that he's wanting himself, or so he can sell his own drops.What people like him fail to see though, is that they ARE being dependent on others. They're dependent on others buying their crap, and buying other peoples crap.
The only difference in this is the computer "crafts" the item instead of a player. And what's funny about this type of person is they're usually the first to go off on the MMO definition of a game, but they want to gimp a good portion of the audience because they don't like crafting. They want lots of people to play, but in the end only as long as they're like minded people.
It's ok though, I've done my research on SGW and I can honestly say that there is NOT enough info floating around ATM to make a judgement on how this game is going to work out.
I do however have a sinking feeling just by the way games are being churned out over the last few years that it will be nothing but yet another grind fest that I'll play for a few months, then cancel because it was designed with the trailer park mentality of "we can't make it to complicated, not everyone has gradyated the 5rd graed".
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Weasel words used in the title are inflamatory and made my troll radar bleep.
Content of OP post is clearly personal view and couldn't be accepted as universal truth or common opinion.
PS: in before someone says "Less subs that WoW = failure"
Gotcha. That's interesting because many of the player's I've spoken to who are very anti-crafting are also very anti-economy, period. They believe all loot should be drops or perhaps quest rewards and they resent any form of an in-game economy. To me that would also exclude trading those drops since you're still creating an economy and depending on other players to trade theirs, as you noted.
SGW will fail on ur 1st point u made, star GATE worlds, insta travel here it comes, even faster then in AoC. Have you seen the trailer?