Not every GM has access to these logs, only a few has access to them and they are not available 24/7, not to mention they are volunteers.
Does "the company" aka Reakktor posts on the forums daily? No I didnt think so. So you actually lied yourself. I guess that's the human nature.
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What does who has access to them have to do with anything?
Not everyone has direct access to the server, so checking logs makes it IMPOSSIBLE if the appropiate people arent there. As I said, not everyone is online 24/7.
And yes, they do post every day, or are the forum mods not considered part of the company?
If I remember it right, isnt moderators volunteers or something? I could be wrong though but I think they are as many times Nidhogg has stated how much volunteers they are and not getting paid etc (go Niddy - edit: not ment in a bad way but positive way ).
if you want proof, search the forums. They've admitted to "firing" GMs for misconduct in the past. Quite proof enough for me. Not to mention before Nidhoggs hammer became almost as wildly swung as the sledgehammer of balance that KK uses, there were many stories from different parties that painted a clear, accurate picture of what GMs were probably doing.
Ok, what string should I search on and I'll look it up.
And Ezza, I'll repeat again, if they have proof it doesn't happen, it's their duty to prove it to us. as far as I'm concerned untill they disprove it, continue to cover it up, and contine to ban people for "unfounded accusations" it happens. They want to make a believer out of me, they can easily show me that they do it.
Originally posted by GaneshaBE At Cyphor I don't know when you started playing but it was indeed said that Dome of York (not Beyond dome of york back then) would be release half Jan2003. Tho at that time KK considered DoY not really as an expansion but rather as a large 150Meg patch. I would only add a City and 14 zones total. True It got delayed over and over but i think it will be much more than what it first was planned to be. Tho don't expect BDoY as the ultimate Expansion i think it will bring a lot of good to the game I love.
Ganesha AkA Reddog
Started playing Nov 2002 but maybe i missed that. Either way as it is now an expansion now is about the right time for it I also know it wont be the ultimate expansion but hopefully it is good all the same and adds to what is already a great game.
As to the topic of GMs, both GMs and Forum Mods are unpaid volunteers, yes there has been GM corruption in the past but that was along time ago and they implemented logging and limited GM powers so it would happen again. By saying proof is the GMs getting fired does that not prove KK are preserving their integrity? Or would you rather they did nothing? No employer can vet their employees so thoroughly that no bad apples slip through the cracks, never mind how difficult it is when its volunteers over the net, but the fact they constrain the powers and make sure they weed out any problem makers shows they are preventing almost all corruption now and nay that does happen is stopped asap.
Anyway isn't this abit off topic now, the topic being DOY?
Originally posted by ezza how about the people with the accusations that there is corruption show that in the very recent past there has been corrupt GMs? if someone can show me that there is 100% proof of GMs doing shit they shouldnt then ill shut up
yes in the past they did, but GMs dont go unchecked now
They SAY GMs ar not unchecked now. KK says quite alot of things that turn our untrue.
When I see 100% proof that GMs are not corrupt, are not doing things they should not be doing, and are being logged.. I'll stop believing they do it. And I'll drop the whole subject.
Of course, we won't see accusations of GM misconduct anymore, the mere mention of it is removed and the poster banned on the official forums.
Originally posted by ezza how about the people with the accusations that there is corruption show that in the very recent past there has been corrupt GMs? if someone can show me that there is 100% proof of GMs doing shit they shouldnt then ill shut up
yes in the past they did, but GMs dont go unchecked now
*COUGH* mercuri *COUGH* and that was just last month.
Originally posted by Nightbrother and they're very close to bringing Polarity (maybe the most famous person ever in Neocron) back also.
ROFL! Thankyou for posting that, it made me laugh so hard I need to clean the coffee off my monitor!
Erm, honestly, get a clue. Polarity was famous within NDA, outside of NDA Polarity was a nobody. The same is true of just about anyone I care to think of in Neocron, they might be big in their own clan, but outside they're just another red stain on the floor. Polarity, RIP, the only monk to get so annoyed with a spy repeatedly killing them that they reported that spy for exploiting. Go figure, a spy that could destroy APU and PPU monks yet that spy is just another nobody.
EDIT : I hate to see people deny the exploiting that goes on in Neocron, I almost quit because of it. Does the clan name System Shock mean anything to you? What about 6 months into retail when 2 entire clans on different servers got banned for duping items? What about the zone reset point exploit? What about the aimbots that have recently been uncovered? (downloaded the video clips someone posted of those and it was totally insane how the gun just followed the monk without ever missing) How about the player modifications forum being closed down because of the exploitation of client modifications to gain an unfair advantage? You get the picture. We all like NC but let's not kid ourselves by denying the exploits exist. Many are still there though thankfully most people are intelligent enough to not use them. It's soon obvious when someone does use an exploit though. I have met many, I have met many more.
Someone mentioned GMs shooting players while the GMs were invisible. Yes that's happened too. Only saw it occur once meself, that trial GM suddenly found themselves no longer a trial GM. There have been other reports of it happening but I've only seen it first hand once.
I have had dealings with Mercuri and he has been one of the better GM's.
Originally posted by DoomReaper I hate to see people deny the exploiting that goes on in Neocron,
Speaking for myself, not denying people exploit. What I am saying is that KK stamp down on exploiters.
Does the clan name System Shock mean anything to you? What about 6 months into retail when 2 entire clans on different servers got banned for duping items?
Point here is GOT BANNED. Whole clans.
What about the aimbots that have recently been uncovered?
Everyone using that was banned.
How about the player modifications forum being closed
Would you prefer they left it open so others could exploit? The Problem isn't KK, its the asses who were exploiting.
You get the picture. We all like NC but let's not kid ourselves by denying the exploits exist.
Yes the picture tells me that KK stop exploiters when they catch them. They don't let them have free run of the game. something which beatbox was claiming.
Many are still there though thankfully most people are intelligent enough to not use them.
If you can prove they are cheating then report them. But I don't think you can. A person knowing about an exploit and not using it does not make them an exploiter.
It's soon obvious when someone does use an exploit though. I have met many, I have met many more.
I spend a few hours of every day doing my GM duties, and that involves hanging out in the GM's IRC channel and communicating via the GM-only forums. There's always something going down Aquaangel, however it is only very recently that from where I'm sitting I can say that Reakktor are starting to make ammends by reacting to those incidents in the best possible way. If it wasn't for people like myself and other gamemasters who really care about the game, we might still be enduring backlash from situations where exploiters couldn't be dealt with adequately due to insufficient proof. There's still nowhere near sufficient logging, nor is there access to suitable tools to track issues down, but over the last 4 months progress has been made.
I'll continue to make adverse comments about the state of the game until it's running like a well-oiled machine. So expect me to pipe up about issues when I see blatant misrepresentation of facts in the very first page of a forum post like this one.
You must not have been in his clan, Aqua. He lost his GM rights due to the conflict of interest between his characters and his GM responsibilities. Whatever they let him post in his good bye thread was just KK being nice enough to not spell it all out in public.
Note that in the thread you posted Mercuri is a Banned User,
Originally posted by DoomReaper I spend a few hours of every day doing my GM duties, and that involves hanging out in the GM's IRC channel and communicating via the GM-only forums. There's always something going down Aquaangel, however it is only very recently that from where I'm sitting I can say that Reakktor are starting to make ammends by reacting to those incidents in the best possible way. If it wasn't for people like myself and other gamemasters who really care about the game, we might still be enduring backlash from situations where exploiters couldn't be dealt with adequately due to insufficient proof. There's still nowhere near sufficient logging, nor is there access to suitable tools to track issues down, but over the last 4 months progress has been made. I'll continue to make adverse comments about the state of the game until it's running like a well-oiled machine. So expect me to pipe up about issues when I see blatant misrepresentation of facts in the very first page of a forum post like this one.
Firstly, I would like to thank you and everyone else who has worked and badgered KK to improve Neocron. It has improved much recently IMO.
As far as I can remember, KK have admitted that there is insufficient logging, and this is one of the things they are (or atleast claim to be) changing in BDoY.
As far as the release dates for BDoY go, I can perfectly understand the situation that has occured. Reakktor are a young company and not as experianced in many ways as, for example, Epic or id Software - even those companies slip up on release dates (UT2004 wass delayed for several months, apparently because of a large bug that was discovered close to the release date). Deadlines are easily missed and unfortunately, because of the way marketing is done, there has to be some sort of deadline.
Personally I know of one exploit that exists in game atm that isn't publicly known. I have reported it via both the ingame bug reporting tool and by email and I test for it every time a patch comes out. It still exists. I am disappointed with this response. But it does not ruin the game.
Any game, IMO, is not made or broken by the game itself, but by the community that plays the game. In Neocrons case the community isn't perfect but it's not bad.
I do agree that the failure of BDoY to live up to the expectations of the communtiy could mean the death of Neocron, but surely isn't this true of any game?
Originally posted by PANDEMIC You must not have been in his clan, Aqua. He lost his GM rights due to the conflict of interest between his characters and his GM responsibilities. Whatever they let him post in his good bye thread was just KK being nice enough to not spell it all out in public. Note that in the thread you posted Mercuri is a Banned User, gg no re
05-10-03, 18:09 <---- note the date that the thread was posted. I am rather confused by that but it's 9 months ago.
Funny you never mentioned the corruption of a Customer Support Representative at Reakktor. Danae has her own little place on "cam whore" it's a porno site basically. It's probably not a good idea to post the link here because it contains nudity so i will leave you to finding it on google on your own time(if you put in "danae cam whore" i am sure you will find it). People who posted it on the neocron forums were banned immediately after posting and the threads got locked then deleted, which i can understand because it contained nudity, and is also bad for business.
What about MeGaMaN when he got banned when a GM offered him many appartment keys? They then banned him.
Anyone remember the BioTech faction counsellor in MC5 lvling and getting the tech parts while having God mode on?
Anyone remember people falling over dead in safezones or in TechHaven (Not a placeyou can really snipe unnoticed..and i never knew you could kill in one shot in neocron.
Oh, what proof do i have? No tangible proof then again reakktor does a good job at covering most of it up now don't they? You take screenshots they will say images are easily manipulated.
The corruption expands even further within Reakktors Staff, GameMasters and Moderators so i would not be surprised if someone experienced corruption within Reakktors Staff, GM's,Moderators and Faction Counselors since they always cover it up instead of comming clean and when they do bring something out like corruption(Usually someone has to post it in order for them to get up off their assess) they make themselves look like the heroes. An example of this would be them waiting so long to ban cheaters saying they are doing everything they can then at the last moment they mass ban all the cheaters and anyone even suspected of cheating. If you don't want to be banned from their forums or in the game never question their moderators or anyone in authority if you do so the thread will be locked and/or deleted if you question people in-game you could very well be banned because the authority that is in neocron does not like to be questioned. They rule the forum and the game with an iron fist. What a corrupt company it is indeed.
DoY would have been great if only they had not screwed the current player base over. "10 items? thats more than enough!" maybe so but why should i have to suffer for a crappy companies mistakes just because they could not get anything right the first time with the economy? MJS bailed out of being CEO like a coward and no one from reakktor even stated anything about an item wipe until the last minute. However they did give us some "bait" by saying there won't be a character wipe but again they like to twist their words, so now we will have a partial character wipe of items.
Some say "oh boo hoo most of your items are gone." My time and my money went into that game and then i see the majority of it wiped off the game and on top of that they increase the price of the game. I think they need to compensate for the players they know they will be losing and as an added bonus they get their greedy fingers on extra cash if they so happen to get more players than they lose. So go grovelling back to reakktor and say "oh your so great reakktor oh wow doy is awesome! even though i lost 100's of rares and money that i spent tons of time on thank you for taking that away!" good job to the player base of neocron, they complain and whine and complain some more but guess what? they always come back on their hands and knees like some sick and twisted scene you would see from a movie where the wife is constantly beaten but alas she keeps comming back for more because "oh he only does it because he loves me".
The game is not worth my time or money neither is the company, good bye everyone.
Reading through The_owner's post, it reminded me of someone who went by the name MadDog in beta, and Armitage as a GM in retail. For those who don't know, Armitage is the real reason Megaman got banned from the game, Armitage was camping MC5 with godmode and invisibility, harvesting tech parts. When he thought he'd been caught, he offered Megaman the parts (hard to refuse an offer when it's a load of MC5 parts and it's a GM offering them to you), and Megaman gladly accepted.
Then Armitage went and told other GMs that Megaman had exploited MC5 parts. Unfortunately despite myself being asked by SnowCrash what we should do, and my suggestion that we give Megaman a temp ban since it wasn't his fault, SnowCrash ended up giving Megaman a permanent ban afterall. Thank the lord that someone finally saw sense and unbanned Megaman.
Anyhow, to clarify, it is my true belief that The_Owner = MadDog = Armitage the GM. Possibly one of the most corrupt GMs there ever was. If you ever offended his regular player toon, you can bet that dropping dead of no apparent cause shortly afterwards was almost guaranteed. Thankfully after I provided the evidence against Armitage farming MC5 parts with godmode on, he didn't remain a GM much longer.
Corruption isn't the only thing that KK covers up. They literally cover up bugs instead of actually fixing them.
Have a zone that they never got around to even making in the first place? Put a big chainlink fence in front of the entrance, and then never actually finish the zone, and ban anyone who tries to get past it to see into the zone. Example: Regant's Legacy. A very cool-looking fortress in the swamp. Almost looks like a mutant city made of rusted metal and concrete half way under the swamp waters. "Oooups! We have made some errors inside the Regant's Legacy zone! Quickly, send a GM to spawn a tacky chainlink fence to block the door! Also, have another GM monitor the log of that zone and ban any runner that enters the zone immediately!!! Bahahaha!!!" Why not just fix the damn zone?
Another example: NCPD. They closed the zone because monks could sit on the balcony of the second floor and barrell (area of effect spell) the guards below and get mass XP, and the AI of the guards below is so retarded that they won't go up the gravity lifts and attack you, they'll just run back and forth. Solution? "Spawn a chainlink fence and put a STAY OUT sign on it! Buhahahaha!!" Hmm, how about spawning some guards on the second floor to kill the levelers, or make the AI enable the guards to go up lifts, or how about redesign the zone with 1 floor? Nah, they're too lazy. NCPD zone was closed about a year or so ago (not exactly sure, give or take a couple months) and now they are working on Neocron:BDoY and the zones are still closed.
Also, there are cliff walls that surround Neocron's wasteland area. You can walk up normally to the very top of them in some places, and you can also use vehicles to zoom up them to get to the top. This is not allowed, because players can get up to the top and snipe/drone people/mobs below, without any danger of getting hurt themselves. Totally agree! But instead of saying, "If you do this, you'll get banned!" Why not fix the problem instead? Make invisible walls or make the mountains raise higher up.
Hmmm let's see what else do they cover up, oh LOL!! Oh my god, I laughed ...so...hard when I saw this. Okay, there's this place called Chaos Caves, where all the high level players level (it's actually the ONLY place for high level players to level, so usually the big clans have total control of it, but anyways). The inside of the cave is made up of a bunch of randomly-placed octagon brushes and stuff, looks real crappy but that's not what I'm getting at. In some parts there are octagon brushes laid flat and stacked on top of eachother, getting smaller and smaller in diameter as they go up. So you can jump up the ledges one by one to get up higher. But, this was bad because you could camp up at the very top, and have a less chance of getting hurt. Okay, whatever, I agree I guess, that would be unfair. But, what do they do to solve the problem? (Keep in mind this is the inside of a cave; dirt walls, floors, rocks, you know, a cave.) They spawn a TON of these metal boxy antenna deals on the very top level of the octagon brushes, blocking you from jumping up there --LOL!! They look so cheesy and out of place, and they were all spawned diagonally so you can even see the bottoms of the antenna things, which has no surface, so you can see through the objects. For the love of god and all that is holy, did you fire your mapper..(s) or something? Here's a tip: delete the very top, very small octagon brush. Then, scale or stretch the next lower brush up until it hits the ceiling --WHAPOW!! Problem solved. But no, that would require opening the map in the map editor, THEN actually changing it, THEN saving the file, oh man, then let's see, oh god putting it in a patch will all the other screwy zones. Oh lord why would you do that when you can get a GM to spawn boxy metal antenna things and make a cheesy game look cheesier and more half-*ssed?
Right, anyways, moving along.
Some bugs to name a few that existed in Neocron:
You get different XP on client/server, making your XP increase/decrease randomly.
Moving items in your inventory is very hard and buggy. (i.e. you move a gun 1 space to the right, and it disappears and ends up at the top left inv corner)
You can drop turrets inside solid objects, making them untargettable, but they can still shoot you through the objects. (KK has said that they ban people for doing this, but everyone still does it.)
Mobs' corpses will disappear randomly as you are trying to loot them.
Your HP is not synched on client/server, therefore, you might appear to get hit, and have zero HP, but still be moving around, then your HP jumps back up to like 100.
I don't care what anyone says, the classes are unbalanced and they always will be. I won't say what is unbalanced because people will always argue that they aren't, because they ARE that class.
You can get stuck in any door.
You can get stuck in any gravity lift if you duck.
There are many many bsp errors including misplaced brushes, missing brushes, over-scaled brushes sticking out of the other end of a wall, etc.
Many character position bugs. Ex: Character positioning is never accurate or even close, unless everyone stands still. Think of it this way, if you have 100 ping (which is great) and you are running RIGHT next to another player, going the same direction, same speed... You are actually about 30 or so feet BEHIND that player, because the player positioning is just plain bollocks. (always wanted to use that word, muhaha)
Also, relating to the above, sometimes you will see a player just standing in a corner looking up or floating at the top of a gravity lift with his/her head stuck in the ceiling, and you'll be like, "uh....hello?" then 30 seconds later they will disappear, and they will actually be like 2 zones over.
You inventory items will sometimes get mixed up for no reason. Example: a piece of edible meat will mix up with your Armor Boots, so if you try to equip your Boots, it looks normal on your client, but on server-side, you're actually trying to equip the piece of meat on your feet. You have to log out of the game, wait 10 seconds or so and log back on to fix it.
LE'd players (players who cannot be killed by other players) can STILL be killed by monk barrel attacks, but it takes a while. Also they can be killed by AOE drones I believe.
People are still allowed to make an alt character SIMPLY to SPY on the global chats. So, I can make a CityAdmin monk and level him until capped, then I can make a Twilight Guardian (terrorist) 0/2 Tank and go around the Twilight Guardian base with an LE chip saying, "I'm a spy hehehehehehehe!!!!!" and no one can do anything about it. I can listen to the global Twilight Guardian faction chat, then DirectMessage my clanmate to tell them what they are doing. This makes it IMPOSSIBLE to organize attacks w/ multiple clans over faction chat, because enemies will ALWAYS be listening. And even better for the spies, they can level those 0/2's while spying, and when those are capped, switch over to their real faction, and make another 0/2 character to spy again. I'm sorry, that is blatant exploiting.
NPC shopkeepers still attack you for no reason when enemy mobs are nearby, rather than attacking the enemy mob.
Also, a noob can lose ALL his SoulLight for killing a shopkeeper (who is shooting him for no reason) because he thinks the shopkeeper is an enemy. It's an easy mistake. I was leveling in the outzone when I was a noob, a biker-punk with a mohawk and tattoos starts shooting me with a junk-rifle, so I cap him, and lose all my SoulLight? But it's ok if you go into the sewers and kill beggars/bums.
LE'd runners can STILL go up to ANY guards, punch him once, and that will cause the guard to go insane (literally) and begin to kill everyone he sees, including NPCs, other runners, even allied runners, and EXCLUDING the original runner that punched the guard. He will be able to run off laughing.
Guards always get stuck in doors, and their AI is too stupid to open doors.
Mobs can also get stuck in doors, but it's even WORSE. They get pushed INTO the solid wall by sliding doors, then.... they can shoot you, but you can't see/shoot/hear them. You'll just start taking massive ghost damage. Especially annoying with strong mobs; i.e. Doom Harbingers with rocket launchers that kill you in 1-4 hits depending on your class.
NPCs will randomly lose their conversation texts. You will walk up to an NPC, talk to him, and a black conversation bar comes up, but no text! Another player next to you might talk to him and be able to see the conversation just fine. Relogging rarely fixes this bug. It happens even when you're not lagging. These bugged conversations can easily render a mission, literally, impossible, because you cannot continue without talking to "NPC_3", who is bugged.
When zoning in the city, sometimes you will randomly zone up to someone's apartment. One time I zoned up to an enemy's apartment on accident (I was just walking through the city and I started zoning) and he almost killed me (escaped with about 10 health) and ended up on the other side of the city in an elevator lift. This is common, also.
There are many many places where players can fall and get stuck and not be able to get out. And you actually have to type in a reset position code to make your character teleport to the middle of the zone. Why not just fix the places where you can get stuck? Duh.
The lighting is awful and light will leak through solid walls and illuminate half of the hallway that should be pitch black, because the room next to it is lit up.
Your weapon automatically holsters when you are near water. It is supposed to holster when you submerge, but it doesn't work right. Sometimes you can even fire weapons from underwater when you aren't supposed to be able to.
There is still a bug where you can be driving a vehicle, and WOOPS! You drove off the end of the world. The zone will just *stop*, and you will literally ride off the map, and get stuck when you do. You have to reset position, and you CAN lose your vehicle in the process, forever.
Players can stand next to "semi-solid" objects, these are objects that are supposed to be solid, but can be spawned (ex: CityCom terminals, GoGuardians, decorations like plants and stuff, etc)... You can stand next to these, log off, log back on, and walk through the object. This is repeatedly exploited at Military Base, where players will climb on the roof of MB, log, log on, walk through the satellite dishes, then drone from the roof where you can't be targeted (because you're inside a big satellite dish).
There are random floating decorations in the wastelands, including: boxes, barrels, trees, bushes, grass, cactuses, outpost WALLS, etc.....
Some mobs have abnormally small hitboxes, you can put your cursor over the model, but it won't target, you'll have to find the exact center point of it just to target it. Other mobs have abnormally large hitboxes, where you don't even have to be aiming at it to target it.
Players can fall from infinite height, and not die, literally. This was to prevent getting CON XP from falling, but why not just make falling still do damage, but not give CON XP? Duh.
Sometimes when zoning you will zone right into a huge group of mobs, who literally "come out of nowhere" because they're right on the zone line. Fix the AI...
Also, sometimes when zoning, you will automatically teleport to the center of the next zone.
Also, sometimes when zoning, you will fall through the world, keep falling, keep falling, then hear a large SPLAT, but oh! You're ok! Fall damage is off, remember? But, then you start taking damage, and on your screen you can only see the sky. What's going on? I'll tell ya. On your client-side, you fell through the map, but you didn't really. Your real character is really on the ground level, getting owned by mobs while you can't even control him. You have to log off and log back on, and when you log off, your character still stays there for about 25 seconds, which is more than enough to get you killed by those mobs that you could do nothing about, since you were way below the map.
There are infinite, spelling and grammar errors. Yes it is originally a German game. So what? That's not an excuse to make someone say something like, "what have you can I make do for you?" etc. Spelling errors are among the easiest thing to fix of all bugs yet they don't even fix these.
Players can shoot the bodies of dead players into "semi-solid" objects mentioned earlier, so they cannot be targetted, therefore cannot be resurrected. Someone did this to me, and I reported their whole clan for doing it with multiple screenshots, one screenshot even of him admitting to doing it in the DirectChat, and no action was taken against them. Why? Oh, they're a well-respected clan of course, and are friends with GM(s).
Some GMs will spawn stuff for certain clans, i.e. mass cabinets for Phoenix HQ in the Fallen Angels so their clan apartment has more cabinets than all the other ones. They said, "It's for what our clan does. We research/contruct items for our faction." Yeah that's all nice and dandy, and other clans do that stuff too, but why should they get extra cabinets? Oh, their leader's a friend with a GM. Sorry that's GM corruption. I think they did delete Phoenix HQ but this stuff will always happen in a game like this.
Doo dee doo... humm hmmm hmmmm... what else, oh yeah if a mob dies on the side of hill, half the time it will not be lootable, because on your client, hes at the top of the hill, and in the server, he's slid to the bottom of the hill. I know the solution, move to where the mob really is on the server and loot him from there, but why not just fix the problem? Upon death animation end, synch the mob's corpse position. Easy.
Honestly I could continue and make this list about 4 times as long. Let's face it, Neocron sucks. Now let's talk about BDoY!
First it was a big patch! Then---! It was an add-on! Now they are calling it a full-blown new game, LOL! Anyone seen screenshots of BDoY? It looks exactly the same as Neocron 1, except for the Player models, which I must admit, they've succeeded in making the player models look a lot more dorky. Just awful. I believe it will be a re-release of Neocron 1, folks. They know they will lose Neocron 1 customers, but they will gain more customers than they will lose which is good for them. Honestly, guys. Dome of York. It's one city. Neocron 2 adds one city to Neocron 1 (Dome of York), and some new models I guess? On top of that, they are charging you more to play the same game! "Neocron 1, now with even lower FPS! Yay!" Look at games like AO. Look how many cities it has. Now imagine AO with 2 cities, except one city is locked. You have to wait for AO 2 to come out for city 2 to be unlocked. I don't think many would be playing AO if it was like that...
Sorry, but beatbox and Mattimeo are completely correct. Neocron is a waste of time and money. I once was addicted but eventually saw what Neocron really was. The only thing keeping me on it was my friends in-game. Sadly I had to leave them, but just because you have fun w/ friends in a game is no reason you should keep the game. You can have fun w/ friends playing anything. There is a lot of much better stuff out there. Personally I am waiting for Dark and Light. I just hope some people can break the Neo-addiction and cancel their accounts, KK just wants your money and doesn't care about you, excluding some of few cool GMs. keyword: few
Originally posted by DoomReaper Anyhow, to clarify, it is my true belief that The_Owner = MadDog = Armitage the GM.
Now that was unnecessary. You disagree with this person and immediately bring up a random story about a bad GM, and accuse him of being him???
Fair point, but unfounded - The_Owner was indeed MadDog, aka Armitage the GM. I eluded to it being possible that they weren't the same, however it is a known fact throughtout the gamemasters that The Owner and MadDog are indeed the same person.
Hmmm, well I'm not going to believe that until I see a reply from him, but even so that doesn't render his post untrue nor mine. NC has problems and all they want is money. One can say that it is true that any product EVER made was made to gain profit, but christ, don't be so mean to the community (talking about some GMs, and the new leadership there "10tcle" or something are way more strict which I didn't think was possible) and don't make it so damn obvious that all you want is money.
I would NOT be surprised if in Neocron 2, Regant's legacy, NCPD, outzone 6? (one of those outzone zones I forget), and any other locked zones are still locked. Because imo:
NC1 == NC2 + new models + some items + 1 city
Edit: read some more posts on this forum and have come to believe that he is the said person, and wow, if it is him, ..Christ.... surprised they didn't get to him sooner, but my opinion of NC still stands. Look at more threads in this forum.. I've never seen so many threads about GM corruption and exploits/complaints on any other game. I took a peek in the AO forums just now and found no threads about GM corruption, or exploits, but I did find one person saying something like, "the game was alright but I'm not overly impressed!" lol. Compare the two..
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how about the people with the accusations that there is corruption show that in the very recent past there has been corrupt GMs?
if someone can show me that there is 100% proof of GMs doing shit they shouldnt then ill shut up
yes in the past they did, but GMs dont go unchecked now
Started playing Nov 2002 but maybe i missed that. Either way as it is now an expansion now is about the right time for it
I also know it wont be the ultimate expansion but hopefully it is good all the same and adds to what is already a great game.
As to the topic of GMs, both GMs and Forum Mods are unpaid volunteers, yes there has been GM corruption in the past but that was along time ago and they implemented logging and limited GM powers so it would happen again. By saying proof is the GMs getting fired does that not prove KK are preserving their integrity? Or would you rather they did nothing? No employer can vet their employees so thoroughly that no bad apples slip through the cracks, never mind how difficult it is when its volunteers over the net, but the fact they constrain the powers and make sure they weed out any problem makers shows they are preventing almost all corruption now and nay that does happen is stopped asap.
Anyway isn't this abit off topic now, the topic being DOY?
They SAY GMs ar not unchecked now. KK says quite alot of things that turn our untrue.
When I see 100% proof that GMs are not corrupt, are not doing things they should not be doing, and are being logged.. I'll stop believing they do it. And I'll drop the whole subject.
Of course, we won't see accusations of GM misconduct anymore, the mere mention of it is removed and the poster banned on the official forums.
*COUGH* mercuri *COUGH* and that was just last month.
nuff said tbh
ROFL! Thankyou for posting that, it made me laugh so hard I need to clean the coffee off my monitor!
Erm, honestly, get a clue. Polarity was famous within NDA, outside of NDA Polarity was a nobody. The same is true of just about anyone I care to think of in Neocron, they might be big in their own clan, but outside they're just another red stain on the floor. Polarity, RIP, the only monk to get so annoyed with a spy repeatedly killing them that they reported that spy for exploiting. Go figure, a spy that could destroy APU and PPU monks yet that spy is just another nobody.
EDIT : I hate to see people deny the exploiting that goes on in Neocron, I almost quit because of it. Does the clan name System Shock mean anything to you? What about 6 months into retail when 2 entire clans on different servers got banned for duping items? What about the zone reset point exploit? What about the aimbots that have recently been uncovered? (downloaded the video clips someone posted of those and it was totally insane how the gun just followed the monk without ever missing) How about the player modifications forum being closed down because of the exploitation of client modifications to gain an unfair advantage? You get the picture. We all like NC but let's not kid ourselves by denying the exploits exist. Many are still there though thankfully most people are intelligent enough to not use them. It's soon obvious when someone does use an exploit though. I have met many, I have met many more.
Someone mentioned GMs shooting players while the GMs were invisible. Yes that's happened too. Only saw it occur once meself, that trial GM suddenly found themselves no longer a trial GM. There have been other reports of it happening but I've only seen it first hand once.
Mercuri was not a corrupt GM. Mercuri quit due to personal reasons (new Job). You could see that for yourself.
http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?t=77816&page=1&pp=15
I have had dealings with Mercuri and he has been one of the better GM's.
Speaking for myself, not denying people exploit. What I am saying is that KK stamp down on exploiters.
Point here is GOT BANNED. Whole clans.
Everyone using that was banned.
Would you prefer they left it open so others could exploit? The Problem isn't KK, its the asses who were exploiting.
Yes the picture tells me that KK stop exploiters when they catch them. They don't let them have free run of the game. something which beatbox was claiming.
If you can prove they are cheating then report them. But I don't think you can. A person knowing about an exploit and not using it does not make them an exploiter.
If it is so obvious, then report them.
I spend a few hours of every day doing my GM duties, and that involves hanging out in the GM's IRC channel and communicating via the GM-only forums. There's always something going down Aquaangel, however it is only very recently that from where I'm sitting I can say that Reakktor are starting to make ammends by reacting to those incidents in the best possible way. If it wasn't for people like myself and other gamemasters who really care about the game, we might still be enduring backlash from situations where exploiters couldn't be dealt with adequately due to insufficient proof. There's still nowhere near sufficient logging, nor is there access to suitable tools to track issues down, but over the last 4 months progress has been made.
I'll continue to make adverse comments about the state of the game until it's running like a well-oiled machine. So expect me to pipe up about issues when I see blatant misrepresentation of facts in the very first page of a forum post like this one.
You must not have been in his clan, Aqua. He lost his GM rights due to the conflict of interest between his characters and his GM responsibilities. Whatever they let him post in his good bye thread was just KK being nice enough to not spell it all out in public.
Note that in the thread you posted Mercuri is a Banned User,
gg no re
Firstly, I would like to thank you and everyone else who has worked and badgered KK to improve Neocron. It has improved much recently IMO.
As far as I can remember, KK have admitted that there is insufficient logging, and this is one of the things they are (or atleast claim to be) changing in BDoY.
As far as the release dates for BDoY go, I can perfectly understand the situation that has occured. Reakktor are a young company and not as experianced in many ways as, for example, Epic or id Software - even those companies slip up on release dates (UT2004 wass delayed for several months, apparently because of a large bug that was discovered close to the release date). Deadlines are easily missed and unfortunately, because of the way marketing is done, there has to be some sort of deadline.
Personally I know of one exploit that exists in game atm that isn't publicly known. I have reported it via both the ingame bug reporting tool and by email and I test for it every time a patch comes out. It still exists. I am disappointed with this response. But it does not ruin the game.
Any game, IMO, is not made or broken by the game itself, but by the community that plays the game. In Neocrons case the community isn't perfect but it's not bad.
I do agree that the failure of BDoY to live up to the expectations of the communtiy could mean the death of Neocron, but surely isn't this true of any game?
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why canceling a account?
Neocron offers you so many options to play the game.... trade or fight.
Funny you never mentioned the corruption of a Customer Support Representative at Reakktor.
Danae has her own little place on "cam whore" it's a porno site basically. It's probably not a good
idea to post the link here because it contains nudity so i will leave you to finding it on google on your own time(if you put in "danae cam whore" i am sure you will find it). People who posted it on the neocron forums were banned immediately after posting and the threads got locked then deleted, which i can understand because it contained nudity, and is also bad for business.
What about MeGaMaN when he got banned when a GM offered him many appartment
keys? They then banned him.
Anyone remember the BioTech faction counsellor in MC5 lvling and getting
the tech parts while having God mode on?
Anyone remember people falling over dead in safezones or in TechHaven (Not a placeyou can really snipe unnoticed..and i never knew you could kill in one shot in neocron.
Oh, what proof do i have? No tangible proof then again reakktor does a good job at covering most of it up now don't they? You take screenshots they will say images are easily manipulated.
The corruption expands even further within Reakktors Staff, GameMasters and Moderators so i would not be surprised if someone experienced corruption within Reakktors Staff, GM's,Moderators and Faction Counselors since they always cover it up instead of comming clean and when they do bring something out like corruption(Usually someone has to post it in order for them to get
up off their assess) they make themselves look like the heroes. An example of this would be them waiting so long to ban cheaters saying they are doing everything they can then at the last moment
they mass ban all the cheaters and anyone even suspected of cheating. If you don't want to be banned from their forums or in the game never question their moderators or anyone in authority if you do so the thread will be locked and/or deleted if you question people in-game you could very well be banned because the authority that is in neocron does not like to be questioned. They rule the forum and the game with an iron fist. What a corrupt company it is indeed.
DoY would have been great if only they had not screwed the current player base over. "10 items? thats more than enough!" maybe so but why should i have to suffer for a crappy companies mistakes
just because they could not get anything right the first time with the economy? MJS bailed out of being CEO like a coward and no one from reakktor even stated anything about an item wipe until the last minute. However they did give us some "bait" by saying there won't be a character wipe but again they like to twist their words, so now we will have a partial character wipe of items.
Some say "oh boo hoo most of your items are gone." My time and my money went into that game and then i see the majority of it wiped off the game and on top of that they increase the price of the game. I think they need to compensate for the players they know they will be losing and as an added bonus they get their greedy fingers on extra cash if they so happen to get more players than they lose. So go grovelling back to reakktor and say "oh your so great reakktor oh wow doy is awesome! even though i lost 100's of rares and money that i spent tons of time on thank you for taking that away!" good job to the player base of neocron, they complain and whine and complain some more but guess what? they always come back on their hands and knees like some sick and twisted scene you would see from a movie where the wife is constantly beaten but alas she keeps comming back for more because "oh he only does it because he loves me".
The game is not worth my time or money neither is the company, good bye everyone.
Reading through The_owner's post, it reminded me of someone who went by the name MadDog in beta, and Armitage as a GM in retail. For those who don't know, Armitage is the real reason Megaman got banned from the game, Armitage was camping MC5 with godmode and invisibility, harvesting tech parts. When he thought he'd been caught, he offered Megaman the parts (hard to refuse an offer when it's a load of MC5 parts and it's a GM offering them to you), and Megaman gladly accepted.
Then Armitage went and told other GMs that Megaman had exploited MC5 parts. Unfortunately despite myself being asked by SnowCrash what we should do, and my suggestion that we give Megaman a temp ban since it wasn't his fault, SnowCrash ended up giving Megaman a permanent ban afterall. Thank the lord that someone finally saw sense and unbanned Megaman.
Anyhow, to clarify, it is my true belief that The_Owner = MadDog = Armitage the GM. Possibly one of the most corrupt GMs there ever was. If you ever offended his regular player toon, you can bet that dropping dead of no apparent cause shortly afterwards was almost guaranteed. Thankfully after I provided the evidence against Armitage farming MC5 parts with godmode on, he didn't remain a GM much longer.
Corruption isn't the only thing that KK covers up. They literally cover up bugs instead of actually fixing them.
Have a zone that they never got around to even making in the first place? Put a big chainlink fence in front of the entrance, and then never actually finish the zone, and ban anyone who tries to get past it to see into the zone. Example: Regant's Legacy. A very cool-looking fortress in the swamp. Almost looks like a mutant city made of rusted metal and concrete half way under the swamp waters. "Oooups! We have made some errors inside the Regant's Legacy zone! Quickly, send a GM to spawn a tacky chainlink fence to block the door! Also, have another GM monitor the log of that zone and ban any runner that enters the zone immediately!!! Bahahaha!!!" Why not just fix the damn zone?
Another example: NCPD. They closed the zone because monks could sit on the balcony of the second floor and barrell (area of effect spell) the guards below and get mass XP, and the AI of the guards below is so retarded that they won't go up the gravity lifts and attack you, they'll just run back and forth. Solution? "Spawn a chainlink fence and put a STAY OUT sign on it! Buhahahaha!!" Hmm, how about spawning some guards on the second floor to kill the levelers, or make the AI enable the guards to go up lifts, or how about redesign the zone with 1 floor? Nah, they're too lazy. NCPD zone was closed about a year or so ago (not exactly sure, give or take a couple months) and now they are working on Neocron:BDoY and the zones are still closed.
Also, there are cliff walls that surround Neocron's wasteland area. You can walk up normally to the very top of them in some places, and you can also use vehicles to zoom up them to get to the top. This is not allowed, because players can get up to the top and snipe/drone people/mobs below, without any danger of getting hurt themselves. Totally agree! But instead of saying, "If you do this, you'll get banned!" Why not fix the problem instead? Make invisible walls or make the mountains raise higher up.
Hmmm let's see what else do they cover up, oh LOL!! Oh my god, I laughed ...so...hard when I saw this. Okay, there's this place called Chaos Caves, where all the high level players level (it's actually the ONLY place for high level players to level, so usually the big clans have total control of it, but anyways). The inside of the cave is made up of a bunch of randomly-placed octagon brushes and stuff, looks real crappy but that's not what I'm getting at. In some parts there are octagon brushes laid flat and stacked on top of eachother, getting smaller and smaller in diameter as they go up. So you can jump up the ledges one by one to get up higher. But, this was bad because you could camp up at the very top, and have a less chance of getting hurt.
Okay, whatever, I agree I guess, that would be unfair. But, what do they do to solve the problem? (Keep in mind this is the inside of a cave; dirt walls, floors, rocks, you know, a cave.) They spawn a TON of these metal boxy antenna deals on the very top level of the octagon brushes, blocking you from jumping up there --LOL!! They look so cheesy and out of place, and they were all spawned diagonally so you can even see the bottoms of the antenna things, which has no surface, so you can see through the objects. For the love of god and all that is holy, did you fire your mapper..(s) or something? Here's a tip: delete the very top, very small octagon brush. Then, scale or stretch the next lower brush up until it hits the ceiling --WHAPOW!! Problem solved. But no, that would require opening the map in the map editor, THEN actually changing it, THEN saving the file, oh man, then let's see, oh god putting it in a patch will all the other screwy zones. Oh lord why would you do that when you can get a GM to spawn boxy metal antenna things and make a cheesy game look cheesier and more half-*ssed?
Right, anyways, moving along.
Some bugs to name a few that existed in Neocron:
Honestly I could continue and make this list about 4 times as long. Let's face it, Neocron sucks. Now let's talk about BDoY!
First it was a big patch! Then---! It was an add-on! Now they are calling it a full-blown new game, LOL! Anyone seen screenshots of BDoY? It looks exactly the same as Neocron 1, except for the Player models, which I must admit, they've succeeded in making the player models look a lot more dorky. Just awful. I believe it will be a re-release of Neocron 1, folks. They know they will lose Neocron 1 customers, but they will gain more customers than they will lose which is good for them. Honestly, guys. Dome of York. It's one city. Neocron 2 adds one city to Neocron 1 (Dome of York), and some new models I guess? On top of that, they are charging you more to play the same game! "Neocron 1, now with even lower FPS! Yay!" Look at games like AO. Look how many cities it has. Now imagine AO with 2 cities, except one city is locked. You have to wait for AO 2 to come out for city 2 to be unlocked. I don't think many would be playing AO if it was like that...
Sorry, but beatbox and Mattimeo are completely correct. Neocron is a waste of time and money. I once was addicted but eventually saw what Neocron really was. The only thing keeping me on it was my friends in-game. Sadly I had to leave them, but just because you have fun w/ friends in a game is no reason you should keep the game. You can have fun w/ friends playing anything. There is a lot of much better stuff out there. Personally I am waiting for Dark and Light. I just hope some people can break the Neo-addiction and cancel their accounts, KK just wants your money and doesn't care about you, excluding some of few cool GMs. keyword: few
Now that was unnecessary. You disagree with this person and immediately bring up a random story about a bad GM, and accuse him of being him???
Now that was unnecessary. You disagree with this person and immediately bring up a random story about a bad GM, and accuse him of being him???
Fair point, but unfounded - The_Owner was indeed MadDog, aka Armitage the GM. I eluded to it being possible that they weren't the same, however it is a known fact throughtout the gamemasters that The Owner and MadDog are indeed the same person.
Hmmm, well I'm not going to believe that until I see a reply from him, but even so that doesn't render his post untrue nor mine. NC has problems and all they want is money. One can say that it is true that any product EVER made was made to gain profit, but christ, don't be so mean to the community (talking about some GMs, and the new leadership there "10tcle" or something are way more strict which I didn't think was possible) and don't make it so damn obvious that all you want is money.
I would NOT be surprised if in Neocron 2, Regant's legacy, NCPD, outzone 6? (one of those outzone zones I forget), and any other locked zones are still locked. Because imo:
NC1 == NC2 + new models + some items + 1 city
Edit: read some more posts on this forum and have come to believe that he is the said person, and wow, if it is him, ..Christ.... surprised they didn't get to him sooner, but my opinion of NC still stands. Look at more threads in this forum.. I've never seen so many threads about GM corruption and exploits/complaints on any other game.
I took a peek in the AO forums just now and found no threads about GM corruption, or exploits, but I did find one person saying something like, "the game was alright but I'm not overly impressed!" lol. Compare the two..