The Truth About AoC

Wilshire12 · June 2008

I have been lazy lately and have done nothing except play AoC since it came out. Basically, I just can't take it anymore. Below are my truthful reasons why the game doens't measure up to any standards.
Note: I have played this game on a macbook pro running xp and have had ZERO problems with graphics. My FPS ranges between 20 and 40. Sometimes dropping lower when many (25+) models have been rendered. SO.. I will begin with the extreme problems of this game.

1. The graphics - The graphics are actually FANTASTIC, but they have major compatability issues. The game has major issues wtih both ATI and NVIDIA cards. That means that even if you have an awesome system, the game could still be completely unplayable. If you buy this game you are rolling the dice.

2. The Content - Okay pay really close attention here, read closely. At any given point in the game, there is at the absolute most three zones at you can adventure in at any given level. Three.... ........ .... no really, three zones (which happen to occur at level 20-32ish). From levels 1-20 there is ONE zone, from levels 20-32 theres three (one for each starting race). From 32ish to 80 theres between one and two zones, usually one where you can grind. Quests are great until about 30 or so, then they devolve into the same type of other quests that any other MMO has to offer. The intial zone is great (tortage) but ultimately its a single player 7-8 hour mission. If you start a new character you must replay the same quests. And in all actuality, theres pleanty of quests to level up by questing alone (till about 40, then its pure grind), but theres not more than about one round of quests (should of been a single player game). There are a few "okay" instances, but mostly all of the dungeons and instances are just trash filled with one generic monster type and don't even have any quests.

The lack of content in this game is disgusting.

3. Point Three - On the box i was promised some ass and titties and some mature sexual conduct and I have seen none so far. If I pay for some nudity in a game, I want it.

4. The Combo/Active Combat System - Wow, this is by far the most overrated aspect of AoC. Instead of having abilities that you can do, you are forced to play simon-sez with the computer to cast abilities. Its fun for about 2 hours, then you're sitting there going shit... I have to press 1-3-1 to cast my 3 hit combo. The game does keep your attention more than say a game wtih auto attack, but ultimately its just as mindless and boring. The game has all the same types of abilities as WoW, but just makes you press extra buttons, which gets extremely boring after awhile. They try and make it play like an action game, but if i wanted that I would go play an action game like devil may cry or something. It sounds interesting, but its just retarded. Also take note here, you can not cast abilities while moving. You can chase something and swipe at it with normal melee attacks, but to cast an abilities like a slows, stuns, and combo hits, you have to stop (more on this below), which is extremely stupid. This is not okay, this is not an easy fix, this is an extremely piss poor piece of code written into the game, and is a FUNDAMENTAL flaw. This is retarded.

5. PvP - There is no PvP, I mean you are allowed to attack other players on a PvP server but that just means that you can gank someone right after they get done fighting a mob and are low on HP. PvP is the most incredibly unbalanced thing that has ever happened. The game itself does not lend itself to PvP because the combo system forces players to STAND STILL TO CAST EVERY TYPE OF MELEE COMBO! For instance, if you start a combo that stuns an opponent, but you are forced to press 1 then 3 and then it fires before the stun will fire, the other guy can simply take two steps back and can completely avoid it. What? How retarded is this? So basically, if you're a melee class, don't expect to be able to use any of your abliities in PvP.

Next up with PvP is how rangers (the ranged class, duh) are insanely overpowered when it comes to PvP and go around ganking everything. Its retarded. However, my guardian (the AoC version of a Protection warrior in wow) has such high defense and HP that he can sit there and laugh at people who try to PvP him. I can take about a mintues worth of damage from another melee class, and then simply run away from them and regenerate all of my HP in about a minute, and then allow them to beat on me again. Its such a joke. There is no balance, there is no "honor" system, there is no group pvp, there are no battlefields, did I mention there is no balance?And there are no rewards. Its just random ganking, anything goes. Retarded. PvP SUCKS!
6. Broken talent (feat) trees - There are feat trees similar to talent trees in WoW, and they are full of holes and are broken. No though or rhyme or reason has gone into making them, and they copy and pasted half their abilities from WoW and the other half just came up with stupid repetative shit to put in there. I have heard some people say as many as 25% of the feats out there don't work or malfunction consistently.

7. Lack of Community - The HUD absolutely blows in AoC. Also, NOBODY GROUPS IN AOC. WHY PLAY A MMO IF YOU CAN'T GROUP WITH OTHER PEOPLE? Well, theres a disgusting lack of group content for starters, then from there it just gets worse. Hardly anybody talks to each other, and the player made guild cities pretty much suck. Its amazing how bad the chat system is and how not condusive the HUD/CHAT/GAME is for players to interact and form a community. Thats why you play an MMO, for the community, and thats pretty hard to get interested in an MMO when nobody talks to each other. Sucks right?

Conclusion
This game is unfinished, and the only *decent* part is the graphics which are buggy at best. The starting city (tortage) might be the greatest zone ever made for an MMO, but its only good for a single run through. From there, the content level drops to zero over the next 15 levels.
Bottom Line: The graphics, the bugs, the unbalanced classes/pvp, and the active combo system are all unfinished, and these are NOT easy fixes, these issues are fundamental flaws with the game. Fixing these issues will take at the very least 6 months but most likely at least a year to fix. If there are so many flaws in the game, how can you expect them to deliver new content like siege PvP? I doubt siege pvp will ever go live in 2008. The game will kill itself off before it ever truly gets off the ground, just another wow clone with different graphics and fatalities. WoW remains the industry standard, they actually do everything right over at blizzard.

This game is a joke, no really it is. What kind of f**king retarded developer would release a MMORPG that has 7-8 playable zones in it?

[flame]
"LAWL DIS GAME BLLOWWSS I KWIT!! HAR HAR HAR!"
[/flame]

Caldicot · June 2008

Wall of text crits you for 10k damage...

Xasapis · June 2008

My eyes ... (sorry OP but your message is the definition of a wall of text)

And no, I didn't read a word.

Kraptor · June 2008

Use paragraphs, no one going to read it like this.

Edit: Now, much better:)

jiveturkey12 · June 2008

Originally posted by Wilshire12

I have been lazy lately and have done nothing except play AoC since it came out. Basically, I just can't take it anymore. Below are my truthful reasons why the game doens't measure up to any standards. Note: I have played this game on a macbook pro running xp and have had ZERO problems with graphics. My FPS ranges between 20 and 40. Sometimes dropping lower when many (25+) models have been rendered. SO.. I will begin with the extreme problems of this game. 1. The graphics - The graphics are actually FANTASTIC, but they have major compatability issues. The game has major issues wtih both ATI and NVIDIA cards. That means that even if you have an awesome system, the game could still be completely unplayable. If you buy this game you are rolling the dice. 2. The Content - Okay pay really close attention here, read closely. At any given point in the game, there is at the absolute most three zones at you can adventure in at any given level. Three.... ........ .... no really, three zones (which happen to occur at level 20-32ish). From levels 1-20 there is ONE zone, from levels 20-32 theres three (one for each starting race). From 32ish to 80 theres between one and two zones, usually one where you can grind. Quests are great until about 30 or so, then they devolve into the same type of other quests that any other MMO has to offer. The intial zone is great (tortage) but ultimately its a single player 7-8 hour mission. If you start a new character you must replay the same quests. And in all actuality, theres pleanty of quests to level up by questing alone (till about 40, then its pure grind), but theres not more than about one round of quests (should of been a single player game). There are a few "okay" instances, but mostly all of the dungeons and instances are just trash filled with one generic monster type and don't even have any quests. The lack of content in this game is disgusting. 4. The Combo/Active Combat System - Wow, this is by far the most overrated aspect of AoC. Instead of having abilities that you can do, you are forced to play simon-sez with the computer to cast abilities. Its fun for about 2 hours, then you're sitting there going shit... I have to press 1-3-1 to cast my 3 hit combo. The game does keep your attention more than say a game wtih auto attack, but ultimately its just as mindless and boring. The game has all the same types of abilities as WoW, but just makes you press extra buttons, which gets extremely boring after awhile. They try and make it play like an action game, but if i wanted that I would go play an action game like devil may cry or something. It sounds interesting, but its just retarded. Also take note here, you can not cast abilities while moving. You can chase something and swipe at it with normal melee attacks, but to cast an abilities like a slows, stuns, and combo hits, you have to stop (more on this below), which is extremely stupid. This is not okay, this is not an easy fix, this is an extremely piss poor piece of code written into the game, and is a FUNDAMENTAL flaw. This is retarded. 5. PvP - There is no PvP, I mean you are allowed to attack other players on a PvP server but that just means that you can gank someone right after they get done fighting a mob and are low on HP. PvP is the most incredibly unbalanced thing that has ever happened. The game itself does not lend itself to PvP because the combo system forces players to STAND STILL TO CAST EVERY TYPE OF MELEE COMBO! For instance, if you start a combo that stuns an opponent, but you are forced to press 1 then 3 and then it fires before the stun will fire, the other guy can simply take two steps back and can completely avoid it. What? How retarded is this? So basically, if you're a melee class, don't expect to be able to use any of your abliities in PvP. Next up with PvP is how rangers (the ranged class, duh) are insanely overpowered when it comes to PvP and go around ganking everything. Its retarded. However, my guardian (the AoC version of a Protection warrior in wow) has such high defense and HP that he can sit there and laugh at people who try to PvP him. I can take about a mintues worth of damage from another melee class, and then simply run away from them and regenerate all of my HP in about a minute, and then allow them to beat on me again. Its such a joke. There is no balance, there is no "honor" system, there is no group pvp, there are no battlefields, did I mention there is no balance?And there are no rewards. Its just random ganking, anything goes. Retarded. PvP SUCKS! 6. Broken talent (feat) trees - There are feat trees similar to talent trees in WoW, and they are full of holes and are broken. No though or rhyme or reason has gone into making them, and they copy and pasted half their abilities from WoW and the other half just came up with stupid repetative shit to put in there. I have heard some people say as many as 25% of the feats out there don't work or malfunction consistently. 7. Lack of Community - The HUD absolutely blows in AoC. Also, NOBODY GROUPS IN AOC. WHY PLAY A MMO IF YOU CAN'T GROUP WITH OTHER PEOPLE? Well, theres a disgusting lack of group content for starters, then from there it just gets worse. Hardly anybody talks to each other, and the player made guild cities pretty much suck. Its amazing how bad the chat system is and how not condusive the HUD/CHAT/GAME is for players to interact and form a community. Thats why you play an MMO, for the community, and thats pretty hard to get interested in an MMO when nobody talks to each other. Sucks right? Conclusion This game is unfinished, and the only *decent* part is the graphics which are buggy at best. The starting city (tortage) might be the greatest zone ever made for an MMO, but its only good for a single run through. From there, the content level drops to zero over the next 15 levels. Bottom Line: The graphics, the bugs, the unbalanced classes/pvp, and the active combo system are all unfinished, and these are NOT easy fixes, these issues are fundamental flaws with the game. Fixing these issues will take at the very least 6 months but most likely at least a year to fix. If there are so many flaws in the game, how can you expect them to deliver new content like siege PvP? I doubt siege pvp will ever go live in 2008. The game will kill itself off before it ever truly gets off the ground, just another wow clone with different graphics and fatalities. WoW remains the industry standard, they actually do everything right over at blizzard. This game is a joke, no really it is. What kind of f**king retarded developer would release a MMORPG that has 7-8 playable zones in it? [flame] "LAWL DIS GAME BLLOWWSS I KWIT!! HAR HAR HAR!" [/flame]

Have you ever heard of punctuation?

Here let me refresh your memory,

punc·tu·a·tion

1.	the practice or system of using certain conventional marks or characters in writing or printing in order to separate elements and make the meaning clear, as in ending a sentence or separating clauses.

2.	the act of punctuating.

3.	punctuation marks.

Please, help us all out here.

-Jive

Xasapis · June 2008

lol, was quoting him really necessary?

Nooblord · June 2008

what is point number 3?

Xasapis · June 2008

Much better, thank you.

Wilshire12 · June 2008

OMG, a long post! QQ some more!

Sorry about the original text, I added the paragraphs where they needed to be (sort of).

Xasapis · June 2008

Well, you've gone through all this trouble to write it. It would have been a shame for noone to read it due to presentation issues.

Wilshire12 · June 2008

I added point number three which is especially crucial to my argument, but yeah, I don't expect anyone to read it. I just had to write all my thoughts down on paper so I could justify burning the box.

Kraptor · June 2008

Havent played the game myself, but it was a nice read, though was a bit negative:)

Punknaught · June 2008

Sounds like your describing WOW during its first 3-6 months.

Id go and counterpoint everything you have said cause im not sure what game your playing but i dont see a reason to.

Bigdavo · June 2008

I didn't read all of it, but what I did read struck so very true to me, the part about pvp and combos.

PvP/Melee combat is an absolute joke, it's a bloody mess, the fact that you have to stand still to use a combo absolutely frucks it up.

PvE/Melee combat is a pleasure on the other hand.

I seriously don't see what the point of having combos are, at the end of the day its just a pain in the ass.

BizkitNL · June 2008

4. The Combo/Active Combat System - Wow, this is by far the most overrated aspect of AoC. Instead of having abilities that you can do, you are forced to play simon-sez with the computer to cast abilities. Its fun for about 2 hours, then you're sitting there going shit... I have to press 1-3-1 to cast my 3 hit combo. The game does keep your attention more than say a game wtih auto attack, but ultimately its just as mindless and boring. The game has all the same types of abilities as WoW, but just makes you press extra buttons, which gets extremely boring after awhile. They try and make it play like an action game, but if i wanted that I would go play an action game like devil may cry or something. It sounds interesting, but its just retarded. Also take note here, you can not cast abilities while moving. You can chase something and swipe at it with normal melee attacks, but to cast an abilities like a slows, stuns, and combo hits, you have to stop (more on this below), which is extremely stupid. This is not okay, this is not an easy fix, this is an extremely piss poor piece of code written into the game, and is a FUNDAMENTAL flaw. This is retarded. Actually, the combat system is great. I actually have to pay attention to what I'm doing, rather than move into combat and press the same key-sequence yet again. The combos to use depends on what shields the enemy has up. But I guess you didnt know that? Oh, and not all skills need you to be standing still. It might have been overrated before the release, but it sure as hell beats any auto-combat I've seen yet.

5. PvP - There is no PvP, I mean you are allowed to attack other players on a PvP server but that just means that you can gank someone right after they get done fighting a mob and are low on HP. The ganking-style PvP in this game is the same a in any MMO. Higher-levels killing you outright for no apparent reason. People should know by now, that the REAL PvP is on the PvE servers. Thats where all the good and decent people go (No offence). Thats where the great and fair battles are conducted. In my experience anyway.PvP is the most incredibly unbalanced thing that has ever happened. The game itself does not lend itself to PvP because the combo system forces players to STAND STILL TO CAST EVERY TYPE OF MELEE COMBO! For instance, if you start a combo that stuns an opponent, but you are forced to press 1 then 3 and then it fires before the stun will fire, the other guy can simply take two steps back and can completely avoid it. What? How retarded is this? So basically, if you're a melee class, don't expect to be able to use any of your abliities in PvP. This is just rediculous. You can block and dodge by pressing buttons. Thats what makes this type of combat so interesting. Its not ALL about numbers anymore. You can actually influence the combat. Even mages need to stand still for most of the combos/spells to work, so how would melee classes not be able to use theirs? You're just talking crap right now.

7. Lack of Community - The HUD absolutely blows in AoC. Also, NOBODY GROUPS IN AOC. WHY PLAY A MMO IF YOU CAN'T GROUP WITH OTHER PEOPLE? Well, theres a disgusting lack of group content for starters, then from there it just gets worse. Hardly anybody talks to each other, and the player made guild cities pretty much suck. Its amazing how bad the chat system is and how not condusive the HUD/CHAT/GAME is for players to interact and form a community. Thats why you play an MMO, for the community, and thats pretty hard to get interested in an MMO when nobody talks to each other. Sucks right? There's plenty of grouping. My guess is that no one wants to group with YOU, and I can see why. Here's a tip: Either play the game like you're supposed to play it, or go back to WoW, since that is what you miss in AoC. The WoW-easyness.

Byzantine · June 2008

The Other truth about AOC,

Many of us do like it and as you said the bugs could be fixed in 6 months.

wow still has bugs like evading mobs in zones and class issues...though I still play it after almost 4 yrs.

AOC was born like 3 weeks ago public...time will improve this game.

As for your #3 problem...not sure what to say on that.

I can't jerk it to a game no matter how good it looks

mass effect had a great romance quest kinda thing

maybe check that out.

Draccan · June 2008

Originally posted by Wilshire12

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The lack of content in this game is disgusting.

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4. The Combo/Active Combat System - ... is a FUNDAMENTAL flaw. This is retarded.

5. PvP - There is no PvP, I mean you are allowed to attack other players on a PvP server but that just means that you can gank someone right after they get done fighting a mob and are low on HP. PvP is the most incredibly unbalanced thing that has ever happened. The game itself does not lend itself to PvP because the combo system forces players to STAND STILL TO CAST EVERY TYPE OF MELEE COMBO! For instance, if you start a combo that stuns an opponent, but you are forced to press 1 then 3 and then it fires before the stun will fire, the other guy can simply take two steps back and can completely avoid it. What? How retarded is this? So basically, if you're a melee class, don't expect to be able to use any of your abliities in PvP.

Next up with PvP is how rangers (the ranged class, duh) are insanely overpowered when it comes to PvP and go around ganking everything. Its retarded. However, my guardian (the AoC version of a Protection warrior in wow) has such high defense and HP that he can sit there and laugh at people who try to PvP him. I can take about a mintues worth of damage from another melee class, and then simply run away from them and regenerate all of my HP in about a minute, and then allow them to beat on me again. Its such a joke. There is no balance, there is no "honor" system, there is no group pvp, there are no battlefields, did I mention there is no balance?And there are no rewards. Its just random ganking, anything goes. Retarded. PvP SUCKS!

6. Broken talent (feat) trees - There are feat trees similar to talent trees in WoW, and they are full of holes and are broken. No though or rhyme or reason has gone into making them, and they copy and pasted half their abilities from WoW and the other half just came up with stupid repetative shit to put in there. I have heard some people say as many as 25% of the feats out there don't work or malfunction consistently.

7. Lack of Community - .....

Conclusion

This game is unfinished, and the only *decent* part is the graphics which are buggy at best. The starting city (tortage) might be the greatest zone ever made for an MMO, but its only good for a single run through. From there, the content level drops to zero over the next 15 levels.

Bottom Line: The graphics, the bugs, the unbalanced classes/pvp, and the active combo system are all unfinished, and these are NOT easy fixes, these issues are fundamental flaws with the game. Fixing these issues will take at the very least 6 months but most likely at least a year to fix. If there are so many flaws in the game, how can you expect them to deliver new content like siege PvP? I doubt siege pvp will ever go live in 2008. The game will kill itself off before it ever truly gets off the ground, just another wow clone with different graphics and fatalities. WoW remains the industry standard, they actually do everything right over at blizzard.

This game is a joke, no really it is. What kind of f**king retarded developer would release a MMORPG that has 7-8 playable zones in it?

[flame]

"LAWL DIS GAME BLLOWWSS I KWIT!! HAR HAR HAR!"

[/flame]

Hi there

Your post speaks the truth.

I am so sick of the standard fanboy responses about going back to WoW and the bugs of WoW or how WoW sucked at launch. This is many years after, plus WoW was fine after three to five days of server problems due to the massive amount logging in. Sure all raids were not in etc. But the game was filled to the brim with content.

What you say is really that the problems are three-fold; bugs, community and gameplay. So when a poster here says they will fix the bugs in the next three months it is the same as saying we are paying for beta (alpha?) ...

The community is the worst ever. There are so many problems with the game that fanboys (and probably hidden employees of FC too) are jumping on and flaming anyone dissappointed or angry.

But the REAL problem is not the bugs nor even the shitty community (at least I am in a nice guild).. but the problem is lack of innovations of gameplay.

Statis ressources and boring crafting = zero economy. When you couple that with the fact there are NO pvp incentives as you said.

What is so fun about the only pvp in the game means usually that one of the two parties are problably in the middle of fighting a mob with half or less health?

That is no challenge.

And Funcom couldnt even be bothered to finish sieges and put it in the game as promised. They even said it was in at launch. Player cities are stale, placed in instances.

You see even fanboys here doesnt have answers to all these things. Just more hate and flame.

What is there to do in this game / incentives for fighting?

There should have been a much more dynamic pvp system where there something to fight over. Not even releasing with these aspects is insane. I could have spent many an hour pvp'ing if it was truly in the game (I am on pvp server) ... I could have waited for more 40+ content too, but all I want is PVP. There is no fighting over ressource nodes, no fighting to gain pvp levels, no wars between guilds or alliances.

The gameplay of aoc is THE WORST GAMEPLAY EVER

worse than wow and any other mmo. And I dont care about WoW.

And dont even get me started om how much Funcom lied about DX10, the bad CE box with a level cap on the xp ring etc etc.. This is the most dodgy and shady game company that I have ever laid my eyes on and I would rather buy a SOE game!

Xasapis · June 2008

To Draccan:

I would suggest you read the thead you're responding before copy-pasting a responce from another thread. What you're describing in your post is not on par with what was said by the previous posters of this thread.

Draccan · June 2008

Originally posted by Xasapis

To Draccan:
I would suggest you read the thead you're responding before copy-pasting a responce from another thread. What you're describing in your post is not on par with what was said by the previous posters of this thread.

What are you talking about: I am not copypasting anything!

Also I address general responses or I would have quoted!

What I say is totally on par with the OP, I am sorry if that burns you!

edit: Plus I address the wow comment made by BizKitNL in this thread: "Either play the game like you're supposed to play it, or go back to WoW, since that is what you miss in AoC. The WoW-easyness."

Xasapis · June 2008

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I am so sick of the standard fanboy responses about going back to WoW and the bugs of WoW or how WoW sucked at launch. This is many years after, plus WoW was fine after three to five days of server problems due to the massive amount logging in. Sure all raids were not in etc. But the game was filled to the brim with content.
...

Which post on this thread warranted this paragraph?

Don't worry about me, I'm not burned by anything. I have my likes and dislikes and a personal opinion of the games I've played and that's it. Besides, if I would disagree with the OP on something, I would have mentioned it.

Draccan · June 2008

Originally posted by Xasapis

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I am so sick of the standard fanboy responses about going back to WoW and the bugs of WoW or how WoW sucked at launch. This is many years after, plus WoW was fine after three to five days of server problems due to the massive amount logging in. Sure all raids were not in etc. But the game was filled to the brim with content.
...

Which post on this thread warranted this paragraph?

Don't worry about me, I'm not burned by anything. I have my likes and dislikes and a personal opinion of the games I've played and that's it. Besides, if I would disagree with the OP on something, I would have mentioned it.

edit: Plus I address the wow comment made by BizKitNL in this thread: "Either play the game like you're supposed to play it, or go back to WoW, since that is what you miss in AoC. The WoW-easyness."

Draccan · June 2008

So far you have made 6-7 posts in this thread without participating in the discussions in this thread. Please stop spamming and derailing threads!!

BizkitNL · June 2008

Originally posted by Draccan

edit: Plus I address the wow comment made by BizKitNL in this thread: "Either play the game like you're supposed to play it, or go back to WoW, since that is what you miss in AoC. The WoW-easyness."

I merely stated that because the OP compares AoC to WoW. Although he doesn't exactly say so, all the so called "flaws" he mentions are exactly what makes AoC differ from WoW.

So please don't act like I say this to everyone that dislikes AoC.

Robotix · June 2008

Originally posted by BizkitNL

4. The Combo/Active Combat System - Wow, this is by far the most overrated aspect of AoC. Instead of having abilities that you can do, you are forced to play simon-sez with the computer to cast abilities. Its fun for about 2 hours, then you're sitting there going shit... I have to press 1-3-1 to cast my 3 hit combo. The game does keep your attention more than say a game wtih auto attack, but ultimately its just as mindless and boring. The game has all the same types of abilities as WoW, but just makes you press extra buttons, which gets extremely boring after awhile. They try and make it play like an action game, but if i wanted that I would go play an action game like devil may cry or something. It sounds interesting, but its just retarded. Also take note here, you can not cast abilities while moving. You can chase something and swipe at it with normal melee attacks, but to cast an abilities like a slows, stuns, and combo hits, you have to stop (more on this below), which is extremely stupid. This is not okay, this is not an easy fix, this is an extremely piss poor piece of code written into the game, and is a FUNDAMENTAL flaw. This is retarded. Actually, the combat system is great. I actually have to pay attention to what I'm doing, rather than move into combat and press the same key-sequence yet again. The combos to use depends on what shields the enemy has up. But I guess you didnt know that? Oh, and not all skills need you to be standing still. It might have been overrated before the release, but it sure as hell beats any auto-combat I've seen yet.

5. PvP - There is no PvP, I mean you are allowed to attack other players on a PvP server but that just means that you can gank someone right after they get done fighting a mob and are low on HP. The ganking-style PvP in this game is the same a in any MMO. Higher-levels killing you outright for no apparent reason. People should know by now, that the REAL PvP is on the PvE servers. Thats where all the good and decent people go (No offence). Thats where the great and fair battles are conducted. In my experience anyway.PvP is the most incredibly unbalanced thing that has ever happened. The game itself does not lend itself to PvP because the combo system forces players to STAND STILL TO CAST EVERY TYPE OF MELEE COMBO! For instance, if you start a combo that stuns an opponent, but you are forced to press 1 then 3 and then it fires before the stun will fire, the other guy can simply take two steps back and can completely avoid it. What? How retarded is this? So basically, if you're a melee class, don't expect to be able to use any of your abliities in PvP. This is just rediculous. You can block and dodge by pressing buttons. Thats what makes this type of combat so interesting. Its not ALL about numbers anymore. You can actually influence the combat. Even mages need to stand still for most of the combos/spells to work, so how would melee classes not be able to use theirs? You're just talking crap right now.

7. Lack of Community - The HUD absolutely blows in AoC. Also, NOBODY GROUPS IN AOC. WHY PLAY A MMO IF YOU CAN'T GROUP WITH OTHER PEOPLE? Well, theres a disgusting lack of group content for starters, then from there it just gets worse. Hardly anybody talks to each other, and the player made guild cities pretty much suck. Its amazing how bad the chat system is and how not condusive the HUD/CHAT/GAME is for players to interact and form a community. Thats why you play an MMO, for the community, and thats pretty hard to get interested in an MMO when nobody talks to each other. Sucks right? There's plenty of grouping. My guess is that no one wants to group with YOU, and I can see why. Here's a tip: Either play the game like you're supposed to play it, or go back to WoW, since that is what you miss in AoC. The WoW-easyness.

/nod

funnylumpy · June 2008

Originally posted by Zorndorf

To the OP.
Welcome to the world of MMORPG.COM
A place where 19 year old people still think what MMORPG's should be like, despite proven wrong by Blizzard for about 3.5 years now.
Conan is just the product of these wild (unfinanced and so underdevelopped) dreams.
I can imagine this is your first experience of this kind of products. But I can assure you, you can find LOTS of these MMORPG's on these pages and even in a much much more dire state.
As this hobby search for another MMORPG already costed me LOTS of money (EQ2, VG, EVE, LOTRO, TR, Conan, and half a dozen other complete duds (Dekaron?) I can give you only one advice.
Stop searching.
Well I'd give Warhammer one more chance.... the last one....
But in fact MMORPG.COM is one BIG free publicity for playing just one game... and you are already in it.

seems like you have a money issue no offense I mean seriously why try new games when you love WoW?

Originally posted by Bigdavo

I didn't read all of it, but what I did read struck so very true to me, the part about pvp and combos.
PvP/Melee combat is an absolute joke, it's a bloody mess, the fact that you have to stand still to use a combo absolutely frucks it up.
PvE/Melee combat is a pleasure on the other hand.
I seriously don't see what the point of having combos are, at the end of the day its just a pain in the ass.

melee is a joke because it's not possible to move around when doing a combo??? are you serious... try do a combo in real life to see how much you can do... really merely a swinging the weapon while moving is hard enough than to try to execute combo's at the same time.

I'm curious what type of movement you expect to make while executing a combo? run away movement?

Going a pattern versus one on one is a show not real fight just as a tip for real life fighting.

Note dont' believe everything you see in movies it isn't REAL...

The combat system is good and if it's not to your likening its ok you don't like it it doesn't mean it's poor.

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General reply to haters/bashers/trolls/spammers

As for haters/bashers being sick of fanboys, have it ever occured to you haters/bashers that people have different point of view on things or are you just not able to understand the fact that some likes the games regardless what haters would say?

If it's fun who cares if not why bother with all flames, trolling and hating? I mean seriously there must be something else you can spend the energy on take a walk or something..

on the other hand I got nothing to do if the haters/bashers/trolls/spammers is gone .. I mean my amusement will be gone.

It's amusing to see how much effort people try in topic after topic to change the mind of fanobys or others.

If you think posting in mmorpg will make a game improve it's time to wake up ,no game will ever improve because of this site...

Most hardcore players I know off regarding what mmo they're playing haven't even heard about this site and have no desire to be a member either mostly because they want to avoid seeing people bash a game they like.

Most of them also got better thinfs to do... like playing their favourite games.

dethgar · June 2008

Originally posted by Wilshire12
I have been lazy lately and have done nothing except play AoC since it came out. Basically, I just can't take it anymore. Below are my truthful reasons why the game doens't measure up to any standards.

Note: I have played this game on a macbook pro running xp and have had ZERO problems with graphics. My FPS ranges between 20 and 40. Sometimes dropping lower when many (25+) models have been rendered. SO.. I will begin with the extreme problems of this game.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

1. The graphics - The graphics are actually FANTASTIC, but they have major compatability issues. The game has major issues wtih both ATI and NVIDIA cards. That means that even if you have an awesome system, the game could still be completely unplayable. If you buy this game you are rolling the dice.

2. The Content - Okay pay really close attention here, read closely. At any given point in the game, there is at the absolute most three zones at you can adventure in at any given level. Three.... ........ .... no really, three zones (which happen to occur at level 20-32ish). From levels 1-20 there is ONE zone, from levels 20-32 theres three (one for each starting race). From 32ish to 80 theres between one and two zones, usually one where you can grind. Quests are great until about 30 or so, then they devolve into the same type of other quests that any other MMO has to offer. The intial zone is great (tortage) but ultimately its a single player 7-8 hour mission. If you start a new character you must replay the same quests. And in all actuality, theres pleanty of quests to level up by questing alone (till about 40, then its pure grind), but theres not more than about one round of quests (should of been a single player game). There are a few "okay" instances, but mostly all of the dungeons and instances are just trash filled with one generic monster type and don't even have any quests.

Tortage is an island, not a zone. Within Tortage there are 5 quest zones(including night time destiny). 20-32 there are 3 available quest zones, yes. At the mid-thirties these branch out into 3 more, 40's there are 2, 50's there are 4. You also forgot dungeons and quest instances within each zone. Also, anyone who takes 7-8 hours to finish Tortage, probably enjoys playing a nintendo wii or using an apple computer, because they're...well they're stupid.

The lack of content in this game is disgusting.

It does need more mid and end game content, but it is in the first month. It's not like WoW didn't add zones and dungeons and raids months after launch.

3. Point Three - On the box i was promised some ass and titties and some mature sexual conduct and I have seen none so far. If I pay for some nudity in a game, I want it.

Well...create a female character, take her top off. Bam, nipples and bouncing tits. If you want interactive sex, try second life.

4. The Combo/Active Combat System - Wow, this is by far the most overrated aspect of AoC. Instead of having abilities that you can do, you are forced to play simon-sez with the computer to cast abilities. Its fun for about 2 hours, then you're sitting there going shit... I have to press 1-3-1 to cast my 3 hit combo. The game does keep your attention more than say a game wtih auto attack, but ultimately its just as mindless and boring. The game has all the same types of abilities as WoW, but just makes you press extra buttons, which gets extremely boring after awhile. They try and make it play like an action game, but if i wanted that I would go play an action game like devil may cry or something. It sounds interesting, but its just retarded. Also take note here, you can not cast abilities while moving. You can chase something and swipe at it with normal melee attacks, but to cast an abilities like a slows, stuns, and combo hits, you have to stop (more on this below), which is extremely stupid. This is not okay, this is not an easy fix, this is an extremely piss poor piece of code written into the game, and is a FUNDAMENTAL flaw. This is retarded.

I have a feeling you cried a lot because you weren't able to go one on one with a ranger. If you're smart enough, anyone can be beaten. As for the combat system, no you don't have to stand still to execute a combo. You can move and swing at the same time, as long as they in range of the final swing, it lands.

5. PvP - There is no PvP, I mean you are allowed to attack other players on a PvP server but that just means that you can gank someone right after they get done fighting a mob and are low on HP. PvP is the most incredibly unbalanced thing that has ever happened. The game itself does not lend itself to PvP because the combo system forces players to STAND STILL TO CAST EVERY TYPE OF MELEE COMBO! For instance, if you start a combo that stuns an opponent, but you are forced to press 1 then 3 and then it fires before the stun will fire, the other guy can simply take two steps back and can completely avoid it. What? How retarded is this? So basically, if you're a melee class, don't expect to be able to use any of your abliities in PvP.

Next up with PvP is how rangers (the ranged class, duh) are insanely overpowered when it comes to PvP and go around ganking everything. Its retarded. However, my guardian (the AoC version of a Protection warrior in wow) has such high defense and HP that he can sit there and laugh at people who try to PvP him. I can take about a mintues worth of damage from another melee class, and then simply run away from them and regenerate all of my HP in about a minute, and then allow them to beat on me again. Its such a joke. There is no balance, there is no "honor" system, there is no group pvp, there are no battlefields, did I mention there is no balance?And there are no rewards. Its just random ganking, anything goes. Retarded. PvP SUCKS!

PvP leveling is turned off right now. Why you ask? To keep people from going around ganking people. There aren't enough level 80's to even warrant having the system in place, since the gear is for end game. As for the battlefields, did you ever read the manual or look at the help? You can join a PvP match at any time from the social pane.

6. Broken talent (feat) trees - There are feat trees similar to talent trees in WoW, and they are full of holes and are broken. No though or rhyme or reason has gone into making them, and they copy and pasted half their abilities from WoW and the other half just came up with stupid repetative shit to put in there. I have heard some people say as many as 25% of the feats out there don't work or malfunction consistently.

It's not broken as much as it is unimplemented and unfinished. Some talents don't work, and some don't work right. You win this one.

7. Lack of Community - The HUD absolutely blows in AoC. Also, NOBODY GROUPS IN AOC. WHY PLAY A MMO IF YOU CAN'T GROUP WITH OTHER PEOPLE? Well, theres a disgusting lack of group content for starters, then from there it just gets worse. Hardly anybody talks to each other, and the player made guild cities pretty much suck. Its amazing how bad the chat system is and how not condusive the HUD/CHAT/GAME is for players to interact and form a community. Thats why you play an MMO, for the community, and thats pretty hard to get interested in an MMO when nobody talks to each other. Sucks right?

The interface isn't perfect, but that is no reason for you to complain about finding a group. This game is built on guilds, pick-up groups can only be found for the harder quests really. The chat system functions, its a chat system, what else do you want out of it? Or maybe you failed at reading the manual...again.

Conclusion

This game is unfinished, and the only *decent* part is the graphics which are buggy at best. The starting city (tortage) might be the greatest zone ever made for an MMO, but its only good for a single run through. From there, the content level drops to zero over the next 15 levels.

Bottom Line: The graphics, the bugs, the unbalanced classes/pvp, and the active combo system are all unfinished, and these are NOT easy fixes, these issues are fundamental flaws with the game. Fixing these issues will take at the very least 6 months but most likely at least a year to fix. If there are so many flaws in the game, how can you expect them to deliver new content like siege PvP? I doubt siege pvp will ever go live in 2008. The game will kill itself off before it ever truly gets off the ground, just another wow clone with different graphics and fatalities. WoW remains the industry standard, they actually do everything right over at blizzard.

If by do everything right you mean, count the money, leave class imbalance, and force massive large scale grouping for hours in order to see the best content...then yes.

This game is a joke, no really it is. What kind of f**king retarded developer would release a MMORPG that has 7-8 playable zones in it?

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