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Show me a MMO and I'll show you a grind.
Sanctus_Mors
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heh, I just love to see people over simplify a game...okay o master o l33t harcore MMORPG gamer, what is da ultimate MMO out there??? and WHY?
Don't tell me it's that PoS WoW because that's not your holy grail buddy.
I'm talking existing MMO out there, not in beta, not in 5 to 10 years from now.
your arguement is so persuasive, so filled with knowledge and insight. You back up your argument very articulately, with suggestions of improvements and raising examples to glorify your position....oh wait, you didn't
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Personally the best MMO for me is SWG. The craftng system is the best out their, and the player economy rocks.
This is all about opinions, IMO CoH is boring and repeditive. There is nothing to do but beat up bad guys, and you have no impact on anything in the game. You'll probably come back with something bad about SWG (although if CoH is your game of choice, I'd stay away from any points about class balance). It's all about what you're looking for in a game. If you want to pay $15 a month for a single player game, have fun with CoH (I know that was uncalled for, but I just couldn't resist)
Naw, I won't snipe back about SWG. I tried it and didn't find the crafting fun and the combat and PVP was unbalanced.
So, SWG is the uber for you. Cool, is it just the crafting, in your opinion what did they do right that other's have done wrong?
Crafting in Coh, naw, not my cuppa tea but I've heard that on issue 3 they will come out with some sort of crafting. Probably realted to temp powers.
your arguement is so persuasive, so filled with knowledge and insight. You back up your argument very articulately, with suggestions of improvements and raising examples to glorify your position....oh wait, you didn't
WoW is gona rock tho.....
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Hail to the King, baby.
WoW - have you tried it, how do you know?
You going to shoot me the hype you've heard. I've played it, and it's nothing new. The exploration is fun, the music is nice, but nothing new, nothing outstanding, nothing memerable. Combat lackluster, PVP broken. But this may change, it's still in beta. But I'm not holding my breath.
Come on, give me a game that's out there, not some vaper-ware or something in beta. I've yet to find something that IMO is as fun as CoH that's not a first person shooter. Eve comes close but I like Eve for it's complexity and when the Shiva Update is out I'll check it out to see if I'll stick with it.
your arguement is so persuasive, so filled with knowledge and insight. You back up your argument very articulately, with suggestions of improvements and raising examples to glorify your position....oh wait, you didn't
True point to the original poster. All MMORPGs right now have grind.
It is the activities, challenge and sense of immersion that set just about every other game miles ahead of COH.
Return question for you: What does COH offer that ISN'T just a mindless grind?
That is the important question you miss.
No i wont shoot you some hype.
How about the visual style (and yes games are our generations great art form) is breath taking.
Or the fact that the people at blizzard really do put there heart and soul in to the games they make.
Or that if you see that fact that blizzard is STILL updating and making diablo II better for the players that still play and for free none-the-less ( not like EQs 14,000 30 buck expansuions)
Or that they are going to have a Warcraft III meets Battle field 1943 pvp system !!!!
Ok maybe that last one was a little hype
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SWG did a lot of things right I think. The fact that you can have an impact on the world. Sure in CoH in some of the instanced missions the bad guys say your name, but how much cooler is it when in SWG players tell other players to come to you for the best weapons/armor/droids. Or the best town to shop in is the town you are mayor in. If you were on a good server people would set up events that were awesome. On Naritus we recently had a little smuggler's run. Where Bounty Hunters working for the imperials were trying to stop smugglers delievering stuff to the rebels. It was awesome to be traveling through a popular city as a smuggler hoping you don't get the "you have been challenged to a duel" message.
The crafting is really what kept me around though. It was the one part where I never felt like, been there done that. I was always looking for better resources to make better things. Always holding on to old resources that had good stats but were useless hoping a new schematic would come out that took that type of resource and I'd be the only one with a large stash of it and corner the market (hasn't happened yet, but I keep hoping). In SWG there was always a reason to log in, be it to check what resources have spawned or to just check harvesters. In CoH the only reason I found to log in was to level up, but it didn't have to be today, I could just level it up tomorrow and I haven't really lost anything.
I think that is the biggest thing about an MMO for me. It has to have a reason for me to HAVE to log in everyday, otherwise I'll just play a single player game.
ill go to the point and say.. there is no "Best" there are so many diff styles of mmorpgs its impossible to pick one best IMO. i myself subscribe to 3, though im not able to play that often
What I like about CoH that doesn't make it a grind? hmm Combat is fast, furious and fun. Not some "Click Attack Button" and watch MMO.
Yes, you will get bored fighting the same mobs but that just it, different mobs do different things. I don't spend all day hunting 5th column, I mix it up.
As for blizzard putting their "heart and soul" into the game, I can say the same for Cryptic. But that's just an opinion that pigion holes me into "Fan Boi" mode. That is what I want to avoid with this post. Just facts.
End Game, what to do when you reach the max? I don't know yet, not there. But from what I see on other MMO end games is either PVP or raids.
PVP is not available till CoV comes out, and there are now both the Hamadon and Sewer Trials.
New thing coming out are badges:
Earn badges by visiting locations, learning Paragon City's history, reaching certain milestones, or completing certain missions. Accolades can be earned by getting all the badges pertaining to a particular "set" There are over 150 different badges in all
Also now on test server is the "reverse sidekick" so that your level 50 can now help friends of lower level and still feel like your not power leveling but 100% of XP received while acting as an Exemplar (reverse sidekick) will go towards debt reduction. If there is no more debt to get rid of then XP will be earned as Influence instead.
All in all, I like the direction that it's going and like any MMO it will change. So, I hope that clarifies why I don't think CoH is a grind for me.
your arguement is so persuasive, so filled with knowledge and insight. You back up your argument very articulately, with suggestions of improvements and raising examples to glorify your position....oh wait, you didn't
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Well it was his thread and he just laid down some rules to follow in his thread to clarify what he was looking for in answers. He wanted exsisting games, games that were live not still in beta.
You just listed alot of the things that I found wrong w/ CoH. The combat, while being an AWESOME system, is the -only- thing to do. Missions have no purpose, they are repetitive. While the TF's seem to have cohesion(the 35-40 one notably excluded) and buildup, most missions/story arcs are just plain boring.
With the absence of "loot" there is not reason to really do alot of the missions unless you just really want to. The lack of an end-game is terrible. Hamidon and sewer trials are not "something to do" while waiting on the endgame. The recycling of the Hamidon encounter was a ridiculous move on the devs part. The sewer trial is actually very fun the first couple of times, but nothing to keep you in the game, since there is not "loot" involved.
Without a crafting/tradeskill system, or loot there is no reason to repeat missions/trials over and over. Even Hamidon, if you wanted to put yourself through the torture of that encounter numerous enough times to complete all your slots w/ enhancements, great... But then what?
Long awaited PvP "coming" ok... Not everyone is a fan of PvP. That doesn't address the end-game issues. And with the complete lack of balance in this game from the early stages of beta to months after release, don't expect PvP to be anything but a blaster/controller fest. At least the imps are getting nerfed significantly, but blasters remain a minimum of 2-5x more devastating as any other class... Much more than a lot of the ATs...
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All MMOs are grinds, that's the point though, it's an alternate reality, not some walk in the park, its a hobby to play in your spare time. SWG is by far the best in crafting systems, but PvP combat is owned by TKMs no matter what you do (dizzy, knockdown, spam hits). The most fun grind in the entire game was Ranger... and Crature Handler. Having some huge lizard kick ass at your side is worth more than 15 bucks a month to me :P Sitting in a "mobile village" being a ranger is the best fun, scaring the hell outta newbs when they walk by saying "Thins thing's better than my house!". Crafting is a grind, you dont get very much money until you master something and can make vehicles or uber equipment, with crafting, you can meet more people than you think, getting to know your customers and your suppliers, becomming the "ultimate" money machine being a Weaponsmith/Master Artisan/Armorsmith/merchant, there's nothing better than this in sci-fi.
Move Along.
Games worth looking at:
Morrowind and all the expansions
Anarchy Online
Wish
Everquest and any of its decandants
Daggerfall (Good 'ol time-wasting 2D)
Neverwinter Nights and the expansions
There are more but i've seem to run out of space :P
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I understand your point, but I thought you might have taken it a little too personally and wanted to explain what I thought he meant by what he said. I mean I could start a thread and just title it: Stain. If that's all I wrote noone would know what the heck I was talking about or what type of information I wanted. But if I titled it Stain. and then wrote, "What's the worst stain to get out of the carpet? I don't mean food stains, something that is not food." Now people will know what information I'm looking for. Sure you could post about food stains, not like anyone could stop you, it's just not what the original post is looking for. Not so much an order more of an explination of desired info.
Also by your logic, you can't really tell him what he can and can't tell you to do. I mean I could tell you to go wear a pink tu-tu, not really much you can do to stop me from telling you to do that. Just usually one of the rules of etiquet that most posters use is to stay on topic and offer only the information requested.
Im in the stresstest for wow , and IMO just in the short time i have had with it its the best MMORPG I've played its like they took all the good stuff from other MMORPGs and wrapped it into one + a whole slew of there own ideas its great.
The way they set up the quests paces it just right so you never feel like you HAVE to go kill a mob or whatever, sometimes it deleiver X to person X and along the way you discover a new land a gain some exp for it and the quest so its not as grindy as other MMORPG's i've played.
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