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Selling System Opinions..
raptorfalcon
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As you may already know to sell ANYTHING through the normal market we have to go to our house and set the items for sale AND stay there..
Basically this system forces you to stay in your house without doing nothing just to sell your stuff.. if you leave your house your items are removed from the sale list. Also, this system in my opinion is just pushing people to create +pay for second accounts just so they dont have to be AFK and can go adventuring.
According to Moorgard there are NO plans of implementing any type of offline selling.
I would like to know your opinions on the subject since I really hate to have to leave my computer on durig the night/work/school just so I can sell some stuff.
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This makes sence to me, the only game I can think of that does not require you to be in game while selling is FFXI. Of course I could be wrong but I think it helps build on the you get back what you put in idea. And sure its a little pain but im sure you will be about to do trades while in game and away from your house.
Actually SWG also made by SOE allows you to pay for a vendor that can look like any of the races in the game to be put in place to sell for you 24/7. And you don't have to be near your house for it to work...
Actually SWG also made by SOE allows you to pay for a vendor that can look like any of the races in the game to be put in place to sell for you 24/7. And you don't have to be near your house for it to work...
You havta b in ur house for it to work in EQ2 though
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Yeah I noticed that I wonder why they did that?? Maybe something they didn't like in SWG.
I think this is a failure of an attempt to fix what a lot of people have a problem with in other MMORPGs with houseing systems. Essentially nobody is ever at their house...This is a big complaint, so they decided to "fix" it by forceing people to stay at their house.
Typical SOE approach really though, useing a big stick instead of honey. It's going to backfire of course, people will either have 2nd accounts or go to sleep connected in their house.
That makes sense though, houses were always empty in SWG...no reason to stay there...
I think the reason that they have housing is a psychological one. They want you to have the feeling of having a "home" in game. If you feel you have a home in the game you will be more relaxed when playing and will be less likely to cancel your acct. because you will feel like you are giving up a home that belongs to you if you do and thus makes if feel more like dieing if you quit the game. But you won't get that feeling if you are never IN your house so thats why they want you to be in it as much as possible.
And who would want to abandon there baby dragon....
So basicly I think it's just another attempt to keep people playing the game for as long as possible.
this really works the same like in eq1....but now you dont have to go into a zone with 200+ people where the lag makes it impossible to move, in eq1 you also had to be in the bazaar in order for people to check your wares, now you are in your home...same thing, but with no lag because you do not so 200+ people crowded together in a small zone. As far as roleplaying...it fits right in, a shopkeeper stays in his shop also or hires people to sell it for him (2nd account), and you can always sell your items the oldfashioned way...the auction channel with links to what you are selling and meeting up with potential buyers face to face.
being able to hunt and sell at the same time might be easy, but it is not roleplaying.
Like mentioned SWG has vendors that you just pay maintance and log off and they sell offline.You log on you get the emails of what been sold and the money goes into your account.You have have several vendors too and use the local bazaar for small stuff.
Horizons also has a place you can place on the npc vendor and it seels off line too.
DAoC has npc vendors too in the housing areas that you can keep stuff on.
EQ i remember requires u to be online but you can go afk in the bazaar and put a price on it and it sells.
Best award for what you are asking (IMHO) goes to SWG.Trade wise SWG is the true king.
I think SWG system would be best .
I played SWG and I really didn't like that selling system. I like how it was in EQ where you actually go to the person to buy what they have. It's more realistic. If you can just buy somthing from someone off of a screen menu it creates a "distance" between players so you don't have that feeling of being connected to the other players in the world.
I think SWGs database is the worst in an MMORPG. There are so many items crafted, each with unique IDs that are in the world the entire time they are on a vendor. This is why they have daily server resets, which then take a couple of hours before the items begin to show back up on the vendors.
I would like a system like the one in Horizons, where you set your items for sale at a merchant, you set the price and the merchant takes a small commision, then you can go back to killing, crafting or maybe even go offline, kind of having a bazar account, just that this one only cost game money (commision).
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The main reason they've given for not having offline sellign options is to limit the availability of items, ie slow the flooding of the gameworld with the rarer or harder to obtain items. I completely agree with this, I know it's not a HUGE step in that direction, but it does somewhat help in that regard.
And as someone else pointed out, it works just like EQ1, set yourself up in Sale mode and go afk, go to bed, watch a movie, whatever, you don't actually have to be AT your computer to sell anything. The only reason they made it so you have to be in your house now is so they don't have the lag factory that the Bazaar in EQ1 was.
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I must admit i cant really see any point in having to be online and in your house to be selling goods, what will happend is the exact same as in EQ, people will either get a extra account for trading, or someone in ones guild will have a trader account, and you will dump stuff for trading there, so i think it would save some people the hazle to transfer goods to whatever trader char/account, by having a offline trading system, and ofcourse the saved expenses in having to have 2 accounts, i can ofcourse see the benefits for SoE in getting ppl to pay for two accounts.
Yeah, but how much is the $15/month they get from that second account offset by the extra bandwidth that it eats up being online 24/7 as a tradebot?
The only people I see this affecting in a major way is the crafters. They'll effectively be stuck in their house 24/7, or they'll be required to have a tradebot if they want to be competetive as a crafter. Even moreso if there is no reason to go to one crafter over another like their is in SWG.
Just passing along some relevant information for the discussion:
"Allow me to clarify. I wasn't trying to say that we're doing things this way because EQ is; my point was that it's a system EQ uses, and we're doing something similar. I'm sorry if that wasn't conveyed properly.There are both social and logistical reasons for our decision to not implement offline selling. On the social side, I personally like the idea of markets developing organically where players are selling and trading their wares to one another in person. That is, people gathering in a certain zone (like the tunnel in East Commons in EQ) and establishing a sort of merchant community of their own. An offline selling option makes such naturally occurring areas of interaction and commerce unlikely.
Our technical director, Scott Hartsman, made an excellent post on the beta board about this subject, and at the risk of being booted from beta for breaking the NDA, I thought I'd pass it along to you:
One thing that I didn't see mentioned yet -- It won't need to be you standing alone in your room. (Unless something's changed since the last conversation I was in the room for--which could well be.) As of the last plan, you'll be able to set up friends as trustees of your house, who can then also sell there, allowing for groups of friends to set up their own equivalent of mini-bazaars in homes and guild halls all over the place.
As for how we ended up here...
As much as I hate to disappoint those who'd prefer to think "Thx, $OE!," it goes a lot farther than economics.
There's definitely a lot of convenience in "I can sell stuff without being here!" No argument there whatsoever. However, systems like that tend to have extremely inflated item circulation.
If every character on the server can list items while offline, there tends to be too much item availability for an adventure game. At any given time, let's pretend that 10% of the accounts are online at once. Allowing offline sales means there's a potential for 10x the number of items available for purchase.
If there's too much item availability there ends up being too little adventure, far too early in a world's life, since anyone can get anything, anytime. In talking to some of the folks who've developed similar systems on other games, offline consignment in an economy where items have rarity, (and therefore: value), has turned out to be one of their biggest regrets, as it pushes people away from adventuring as a first choice, and instead toward the convenience of "just go to the mall."
As adventure is our core gameplay element, as well as the primary method of making friends, and therefore the main stickiness for a game like EverQuest II, that sense needs to be preserved above all else, even if it means slight inconveniencies such as this one.
That's why I think this logical progession of EQ's system is a happy medium -- There are still excellent opportunities for commercial interactions, and social opportunities therein, but less risk to the overall "kill for it, make it yourself, or quest for it if you can, buy it if you can't" mindset that made the first of this particular adventure game the success that it is.
These are all factors that have gone into our decision to not implement offline vendors. Especially at the early stage of the game, it makes more sense to have a more controlled flow of items and cash. I'll grant you that this decision may not be ideal for some playstyles, but on the whole I believe it's going to help control the economy and encourage person-to-person interaction. Plus, setting up a shop with your friends could be pretty cool.
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Hope this at least clearify thier discission...
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Another thing I'm curious about, especially in light of them wanting to restrict the flow of 'rare' items in the game, is their stance on groups such as IGE that farm cash/items and then sell them via Ebay, Player Auctions, etc.
From everything I have read, this is a multimillion dollar business, so you can safely assume they'll be in all the new games as well. If you think things are bad in Llineage II, ponder, if you will, what a game with the name recognition of WoW, or EQ2 will be like.
And this totally crushes their plan of restricting the flow of items within the economy, nevermind the various dupes that will spring up. They've yet to stem the tide of ingame sales in either EQ, or SWG, and they won't be anymore successful with EQ2. Though, Sony is getting in on the action for the PS2, selling ingame items for the upcoming Gran Turismo title when it releases. Whether this will carry over to their MMO properties, I haven't heard, but it only makes sense from a financial standpoint.
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