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Maybe... Darkfall is doing it right
Speculation: With the recent release of Age of Conan we were introduced to an extremely buggy and unfinished game. Maybe Darkfall has it set in their mind to complete and extremely stable and fun game which is why they are delaying it for so long.
Or it's just Duke Nukem: Forever.
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I know fans of the game would like to think that just because it's taking a long time to make, it's going to be a bug free paradise... but the truth is, it's taking them so long because of the Indy, unexperienced developers.
I wouldn't call lying to your public for the last 5 years "doing it right."
AOC had a year long beta, and still weren't able to fix a ton of bugs. So what do you think Darkfall is going to look like with a 2 week beta? One word -- Disaster.
I just searched the internets for duke nukem: forever gameplay footage after posting this. Seems there was a video posted on 6/5/2008. Maybe there is hope for darkfall, too. I'd called 3d realms pretty much indie at this point lol.
But teh hav pr0 testars?N gud AI!!!!!!!!!!
And Funcom have been towers of truth during AoC's development?
And Funcom have been towers of truth during AoC's development?
This guy telling people they spend too much time on the internet when he counter-posts every other post in this forum
hahahahah
DF is doing the opposite of right [wrong]
When they have 6 months until release, yet they are unable to show videos and give updates each week, that is not really the correct way to handle development when 6 months from release.
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Hopefully the reason that there aren't new videos and updates is because there trying to polish up the game real nice instead of focusing on videos.
To be "doing it right" they would need to be developing a game. Oops!
Seriously, the chance of Duke Nukem: Forever coming out is much higher than Darkfall ever coming out. Darkfall isn't a game, by all appearances it is a scam. They are bilking their investors or the Greek government or somone's rich father [which is probably the investor] out of a lot of money, at least that is the distinct smell of the whole Darkfall project.
Yes they are doing it right. Most of the irrelevant rubbish being banded about is assumption and counter assumption. The boy who cried wolf scenario.
Taking these forumns seriously is bad for the health and there is so much inaccuracy and drivel that it is better togo with the developers and accept where they are at until any real progress id forthcoming.
Be realistic and wait in hope
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Many of us waited for D&L, VanguardSoH, PoTBS, Fury, TR, AoC, and more all waiting in hope. Guess what hope gave us. Bitterness and disappointment on a mammoth scale. All of these games had far bigger staffs than Aventurine. Yet, all of these companies at least showed us along the way not to get our hopes up. Yet, DFO devs tell us to keep the faith and they are FEATURE COMPLETE with more features than any MMORPG todate but won't show us. We are not to be allowed beta testing until just before launch for a pure PVP game. So, where does reality and hope come in to play with DFO?
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Many of us waited for D&L, VanguardSoH, PoTBS, Fury, TR, AoC, and more all waiting in hope. Guess what hope gave us. Bitterness and disappointment on a mammoth scale. All of these games had far bigger staffs than Aventurine. Yet, all of these companies at least showed us along the way not to get our hopes up. Yet, DFO devs tell us to keep the faith and they are FEATURE COMPLETE with more features than any MMORPG todate but won't show us. We are not to be allowed beta testing until just before launch for a pure PVP game. So, where does reality and hope come in to play with DFO?
Reality comes into play when the game releases.
I have been playing Vanguard again recently and have been having a lot of fun. Large world performs a lot better than a year ago and a nice group of people to harrass and get help from. Because of the reduced population it is seemingly more fun to play.
Back to DFO, when they say feature complete I can believe that as it is just coding and it is surprising sometimes how if you look at the bigger picture it is easier to complete it(Eve is a good example of this). I have played too many games over the years to get dissapointed about release dates, there are still a lot of challenging and incerdibly complex games about sadly they arent MMOs. But then graphics to me are not an issue it's game mechanics so DF fits the bill, if the DF guys acheive what they are trying to do great . With eash indie company that tries we will get closer to a successful release of a good complex game with lots of depth.
So DnL have contributed so has vanguard to an extent, AOC PoTBS,WoW LOTro (all have contributed zero all push the genre back too instanced and prescriptive). So slowly but surely something good will come.
The trash talk about years in development comes from people who don't understand what is relative so from that perspective you just have to laugh. I noticed another interesting title called citadel of sorcery which may be very interesting but will have a finite timeline regarding charachter development.
It's all good fun but again there are lots of sad people who just take life too seriously and feel that they are owed something. Acheivers are never owed because they are go getters and the concept doesn't come into play.
For anyone who wants a fun hardcore MUD for a while, always good for a challenge and to get the gaming genes working again. Sadly the current crop of MMOs don't acheive that with the exception of a couple.
(If DF could release the game with 100% internal testing so everyone starts on a level playing field then great, an open Beta for a short period will be fine they can always extend it if they get problems. They can do what they want and probably will based on there past record so no issues there.
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V A P O R W A R E
There we go, spelled out clearly and correctly in plain english, shouldn't be too hard to understand.
I am very realistic but then you would not understand what my expectations are would you.Indie company , long term development not a problem to me.
They will be progressing they just haven't deemed you enough of a mortal to show you.
"Be realistic and wait in hope" , your'e decision to how patient you are capable of being I guess you aren't.
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I apologize in advance if I'm missing the premise of the post.
Darkfall, would be a very interesting game to try out. I believe what you're focusing on is the fact that the Darkfall developers may be taking the right approach by not releasing a game too early or "before its time".
I agree.
However...
...that said, it would be extremely beneficial for the devlopers to keep a close relationship with the members of their forums, the press, and those at the conventions. There's no point in bragging about how good a game will be unless you can back it up. (i.e. bragging is fine when you can back it up).
So, in summary, all the Darkfall developers need to do is communicate more to the MMO community and their fans. In doing so, they will be sending out gameplay shots, design spots, and interviews.
This really is necessary, in my opinion.
Of course, they could always remain silent and then suddenly....release their product. But you tell me, is that a good marketing strategy?
I've also noticed similar things with Hero's Journey (Simutronics). But they appear to have released more...well, not much since 2005.
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Some of you fail to realize simple business practices. If I told you I was going to sell you a car but...
1. I kept repeating myself by "polishing" it with talk
2. wouldnt let you test drive it
3. did this to you for 7 yrs and still no test drive
What do you think the 'correct' response would be to the perspective buyer?
Maybe... Darkfall isn't actually doing anything... At all.
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HJ is still developing mmorpg.com took them off the games under development list probably because they don't feel the need to entertain. And it will be a nice change if a game releases without pandering to forumn monkeys. I am sure when they have relevant info to release they will do.
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Incorrect, I voiced my opinion (though chose a specific way to do it), obviously you disagree with what I wrote.
If your looking for a comparison, feel free to consider me as having a frame of mind similar to SWG Veteran, they've spent years complaining about what happened to the game, DFO fans have spent years waiting for........well, so far absolutely nothing definitive.
My opinion is that the game is vaporware, always has, and always will be - how I choose to voice said opinion is none of your concern, as long as I keep it clean and free of flaming then there is no issue.
You chose to label me a troll, go right ahead, you have every right..........
.......just as I have every right to label your game as Vaporware.
And Funcom have been towers of truth during AoC's development?
This guy telling people they spend too much time on the internet when he counter-posts every other post in this forum
hahahahah
Quite true!
And he nevers has anything constructive or meaningfull to say. His small mind thinks putting down AOC every second is the SAME as defending Darkfall.
He reminds me of Henny Youngman with his one-liners, LOL!
But... His day is coming.
We will see how smart he is come end of year.
I've waited for 7 years. It's time to give people a game to play or shut the fuck up and get the fuck out already.
Well, according to the Dev logs, they are trying to deliver a quality game with few problems. Whether they actually can is a matter of huge speculation and since they drew a line in the sand for the end of the year perhaps we don't have long to wait.
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Well, according to the Dev logs, they are trying to deliver a quality game with few problems. Whether they actually can is a matter of huge speculation and since they drew a line in the sand for the end of the year perhaps we don't have long to wait.
You got that right. They drew a line in the SAND for the end of the year. Sand is as sand does and that is blows around as it sees fit. What happens when December 31, 2008 rolls around and the game hasn't launched? At that point I say it is time to move on and this section of the MMORPG.com forums be deleted until they actually launch.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."