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If KOTOR 3 is an MMO...
HastorHadron
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Should we be excited? I would love a great Star Wars MMO, but what do you think the game would actually look like. Would it be WOW with sci-fi elements. Would it have space simulation as well as a ground game?
I am, on the one hand excited about any new Star Wars MMO possibility. On the other hand, I am really afraid of what the game might actually look like. Let's be honest, I think that creating a fun game "outside the box" is probably too much of a risk for money grubbbers at Lucas. I am afraid they will simply look at WOW and say "do that"...
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Lets hope they learned from SWG. The MMO market is devoid of any really good Sci-Fi MMOs(other than EVE) , and if done right they would make a killing. Only time will tell what will come, but I'm really rooting for this one.
If it is true then just show me where to sign. Bioware is just an awesome company and they are one of the best in the business in online gaming. My guess it will be linear with a really good storyline with realistic graphics. I just wish that Bioware would just officially spill the beans soon.
I wish they would come clean as well...however
If kotor 3 is a MMO...
I will wish it well, but not play it as the whole SWG thing has been done to death IMO. It will be sad that Bioware will have to give most of their profits to LA for the IP (instead of being able to reinvest it in improving the game), It will be even sadder still that LA will have all rights on what happens in kotor 3 what direction it takes etc. Bioware will have very little if any artistic freedom. Last of All LA agreed to NGE and if kotor 3 does not live up to their wants/expectations you can bet LA will force Bioware down a simular path.
Any new MMO that does well is a plus for the Genre as a whole something many here don't see. (especially if the MMO in question doesn't cater to their playstyle) So while I hope for something else from Bioware, and distrust LA greatly and any MMO anchored to them. I still wish Bioware the best of luck whichever path they take
" that Bioware will have to give most of their profits to LA for the IP (instead of being able to reinvest it in improving the game".
" that Bioware will have to give most of their profits to LA for the IP (instead of being able to reinvest it in improving the game".
Since as far as Gaming is considered KOTOR is as much Bioware as the six Star War Movie time period is Lucas. The Profits or royalites which was rumoured to be 1 million a year for SWG ( forgiven since the NGE player exit) will not be the same. This is a Partnership and I am sure the finacial part of that agreement wil be good for all.Remember SOE is not take part in this except that 80% of the games new customers will be former SWG customers.
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" that Bioware will have to give most of their profits to LA for the IP (instead of being able to reinvest it in improving the game".
Since as far as Gaming is considered KOTOR is as much Bioware as the six Star War Movie time period is Lucas. The Profits or royalites which was rumoured to be 1 million a year for SWG ( forgiven since the NGE player exit) will not be the same. This is a Partnership and I am sure the finacial part of that agreement wil be good for all.Remember SOE is not take part in this except that 80% of the games new customers will be former SWG customers.
________________________________________________________________________________So the new Bioware game will have 80% of it's players from pre-cu? They may as well shut it down now if they only get 240,000 subs from them and the the 60,000 subs from other people.
The exact type of game that the disgruntled vets want is a open sandbox game, which is the exact type of game that bioware does not make.
Underlined is what I'm betting on.
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http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/rejad
Not only that but look at most of BioWare's RPG titles. All of them are level based, with the AD&D Forgotten Realms titles well... It's based on the AD&D rules so chances are it's not going to be some whole new system just with the Forgotten Realms name on it. KOTOR ran with the D20 rules setup as well, and I believe Jade Empire did as well. And lastly we have Mass Effect that is level based and more of an Action RPG rather then the semi-turn based games other's try to do.
Also has I've said before, BioWare is now run by EA who I'm still iffy about... Granted EA isn't the same Evil Empire that I knew for the last 15 years, but that can change in a heartbeat. BioWare has backed the Xbox and is really backing the Xbox 360. And chances are Microsoft will want KOTOR 3 on the 360, and I don't see EA, BioWare or LA saying "no" to that.
As for the game? I can see alot of good with BioWare running it and basing it in the KOTOR Timeline...
Putting it into the KOTOR Timeline would be a VERY good idea. See that's part of the fault that SWG has had from the start, we still want it to follow the timeline the movies gave us. At the same time people want things in the game that shouldn't be in the GCW Timeline. This gives BioWare much more freedom to do what they want with the game.
BioWare also knows how to tell a damn good story and make a damn good world. Hell go play Mass Effect for 2 hours, along with the stuff going on in Mass Effect you are given tons of background info on every little thing in the world. Be it the Alien Races or Governments, Technobabble on how everything works in the game and alot more... I really see BioWare really telling a full on story and keeping that story going with this MMO.
As for the game and lets just say it is KOTOR 3 and an MMO how do I think it will turn out?
Space Combat will be in the game, be it at the start or coming in like Jump to Lightspeed did in SWG. Really I don't think you can have a Star Wars MMO without Space Battles going on.
Combat I feel will be a little more action based. Really I don't think this is a bad thing, as I can see BioWare doing what they did with Mass Effect. Ranged Combat will have people taking cover and poping out to shoot rather then stand in the open firing away like a mad man. Melee Combat I can see being somewhat AoC like.
Chances are it will be level based, but I see it being more like KOTOR 2. When you get up to whatever level you can pick from some type of elite class. Yes I can see Jedi being a starting class in someways, I don't see it being the uber Pre-CU Jedi Class however.
And I can see things like crafting, player driven speeders and the like that can be used in combat. I can also see BioWare putting in the item upgrades as well.
Really I think it will be a great game if it ends up being KOTOR 3. BioWare looks to give a damn about the games they make, and I think LA will give them room as well I don't see LA wanting to piss off BioWare, EA and Microsoft when their is so much money to be made.
I'm calling bullsh!t on this one until you post an official link that states ...." that Bioware will have to give most of their profits to LA for the IP (instead of being able to reinvest it in improving the game".
Since as far as Gaming is considered KOTOR is as much Bioware as the six Star War Movie time period is Lucas. The Profits or royalites which was rumoured to be 1 million a year for SWG ( forgiven since the NGE player exit) will not be the same. This is a Partnership and I am sure the finacial part of that agreement wil be good for all.Remember SOE is not take part in this except that 80% of the games new customers will be former SWG customers.
________________________________________________________________________________So the new Bioware game will have 80% of it's players from pre-cu? They may as well shut it down now if they only get 240,000 subs from them and the the 60,000 subs from other people.
The exact type of game that the disgruntled vets want is a open sandbox game, which is the exact type of game that bioware does not make.
Hey Math Wizard! 240k +60k = 300k . If the new Bioware KOTOR3O can obtain 300k Like SWG did before the dark times , before the NGE then Thats nothing to laugh at. Look at the pathetic numbers of the current game if you are looking to shut down something.
As I have already mention The KOTOR era is known by gamers and avid readers of Star Wars. The good news is that this is not the target customer profile of the current NGE player.
Since we have not had an official announcement and information provided by Bioware you can not assume to what degree of sandbox options will be available with the rumored title.
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Exactly where has Bioware demonstrated that it's "one of the best in the business in online gaming"? Bioware has repeatedly demonstrated that it's one of the best when it comes to single player RPG's with storylines consisting of a beginning, middle, and end, but nowhere has it demonstrated that it's capable of creating an open ended MMO.
As I've said before I don't think a KotOR MMO would be very innovative or play anything like SWG Pre-CU. It's just not in Bioware's DNA to make a game like that. However, I would give it a shot none-the-less.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Not only that but it shows very well in their handling of the matter in their Off Topic thread on the forums. Its a good read and you can take much out of what is said there. They tend to a bit arrogant when it comes to Knowing how to run an mmo let alone handling the fanbase waiting for it.
If they do make a KoTOR MMO it will be rather interesting how they will handle the class aspect. Will they make it so everyone is a Jedi only broken down into small special classes (Guardian, Counselor, Etc) or will it be like SWG with tons of classes and a rigorous quest to become a Jedi? Only time will tell.
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I agree with you, but keep in mind, the folks who are making the Bioware MMORPG are not the folks from Edmonton, they are folks who have worked on other MMORPGs made in Austin (SWG, UO, ect.). The people making Bioware's MMORPG have already said it is going to be story base, and not a sandbox. They have also said they don't want to make a WoW clone, but it depends on what they think a WoW clone is.
What will be the most interesting thing about Bioware's MMORPG will be finding out if the folks making it have learned anything from their past experiences working on other MMOs. Will they make the same mistakes all over again, or will they make a bunch of brand new mistakes?
Exactly where has Bioware demonstrated that it's "one of the best in the business in online gaming"? Bioware has repeatedly demonstrated that it's one of the best when it comes to single player RPG's with storylines consisting of a beginning, middle, and end, but nowhere has it demonstrated that it's capable of creating an open ended MMO.
www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php
Not good enough ? Yes they make great online rpgs but before Blizzard even gained respect as being a good mmo developer they made rts and rpg games. It's really not a question of what game Bioware is making, its more of a question of how great it is going to be.Their games always appeal to the masses and I don't see how it will be any different just because they are making a mmo. Yeah I'm a fan of Bioware, I know they don't make 100% flawless games but they come pretty darn close.
Hey JestorRodo if whatever game Bioware is making is a MMO and gets only 300k subs it would a HUGE failure. For better or worse ever single game that has been in development by a AAA house since WoW got the big sub numbers is a failure, investors see huge numbers in WoW and they want that kind of return.
300k subs is NICHE.
WoW is an anomaly. The number of subs can not be explained nor do they care to. I don't foresee any games coming close to the number of subs of WoW.
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