Originally posted by Fraek Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
safe to say thats the lamest comment of 2004 everyone
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
Originally posted by Fraek I'm just stating the facts... Oh, and the staff of Swedish PC GAMER hates you too, or at least, they claim to... Personally I don't hate you, I just think you're wrong and unethical, but that's up to each individual... ...allthough I am right and you are wrong...
for the sake of mankind please, never breed.
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
Allright, instead of going celibate I'll just delete my MMORPG.com account in protest. That way everybody's happy. The pirates don't have me nagging here, I leave a forum I like for a cause and, well, the rest probably won't care either way. Anybody know where I delete my account?
why is it that you keep calling me i pirate?? why dont you just come back down to earth buddy
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
i never said i didnt like anybody, that was just a stupid comment, and im not a "pirate" per say nobody really has to worry about me. and well if you think earth sux.. youve got a bigger problem then i though
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
Originally posted by digitydarkman Ok glad you got that all worked out, btw there is no need for you to leave mmorpg.com
Well yeah, if I get all whiny every time I get pissed off at people for stealing stuff then I'm a waste of server space. If all the unneccessary people deleted their accounts the server might have more room for other stuff.
Hrm...Downloading a couple songs because you heard them on the radio & like them, or stealing from one group and giving to another.
I'll have to say the latter is worse. And what is this you may ask?!
INCOME TAX!
Your Swedish right? Now why you're so worried about anti-pirating is beyond me. Your government & legal system is full of a bunch of nutcases that deserve to be shot. I'd worry more about trying to get a better government into power then trying to stop a couple of 12 year olds downloading Nsync.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Finwe Hrm...Downloading a couple songs because you heard them on the radio & like them, or stealing from one group and giving to another. I'll have to say the latter is worse. And what is this you may ask?! INCOME TAX! Your Swedish right? Now why you're so worried about anti-pirating is beyond me. Your government & legal system is full of a bunch of nutcases that deserve to be shot. I'd worry more about trying to get a better government into power then trying to stop a couple of 12 year olds downloading Nsync.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
Lol, that's true.
You seem like a very determined guy for trying to organize a demonstration against pirating but seriously.... Give up.
The only way you can actually make a difference is if you run into every house with internet and unplug their connections. Stealing files off the internet is like stealing from a store. The government says it's wrong, there are laws against it, but stealing still occurs every day.
Originally posted by digitydarkman Originally posted by Fraek I'm just stating the facts... Oh, and the staff of Swedish PC GAMER hates you too, or at least, they claim to... Personally I don't hate you, I just think you're wrong and unethical, but that's up to each individual... ...allthough I am right and you are wrong...
for the sake of mankind please, never breed.
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
Let me just start off by saying this: I said a lot of crap yesterday, being angry and tired, so just forget everything I said after my second or third post. Sorry about those posts...
As for how I plan to stop it, well, I don't like out governemnt either, I believe in a Geniocratic society where the smartest people deal with the big issues and the rest just worry about their lives. However, this idiotic government can be abused. Seeing as they're all a bunh of pansies we could probably get a law or two passed by getting a hundred or so people to go on Hunger Strike. Not only would the ministers and Reichdag-people fear for our health and feel sympathy for us, but they'd also get lots of complaionts for not doing anything, like allways. Also, they'll probably hesitate for some time to use force, considering all that's happened in the past when they actually stood up.
A 12-year-old who downloads some N'Sync music may not be our largest problem, but millions of people downloading probably several Terrbytes of copyrighted material every day without paying for it, now that's a big problem.
Also, all we need to do is bribe 175 or so of the people in the Reichdag (chose the german word, since I don't know the English one, and I wasn't sure if you guys would understand the word Riksdag).
You wanna fix what you call stealing with blatant bribery?
Well geez...
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Well why do Europeans care if people in Africa and Asia are starving? Why do I care if people mistreat chickens? Does it affect me? No, but I have sympathy for these people, and I wish to do what is right. Downloading copyrighted material is, in my opinion, wrong, seeing as it is taking without paying, in other words, stealing.
Oh, and believe it or not, but Sweden does have industries, we have bands whose albums are put up on the internet (the guys in Gyllene Tider are very very angry with you people...), game-developers who have their games stolen and burnt, film-makers who are berothed of their profits, and shops that people don't use. It does affect us.
I shall stop robbing the "industry" when they stop robbing me, they only after my money and they will stop at nothing to get it. Most stuff released is crap rapped up in pretty boxes and marketing hoaxes.
I feel no shame or guilt stealing from them just as they feel no shame or guilt what so ever releasing and selling stuff they KNOW is crap but they go to great lenghts trying to convince us otherwise just to get our money. So if this makes me the scum of the earth or whatever what does it make this "industry" you speak of that obviously are many levels below me when it comes to ethics and morals?
At least I am honest about what I do wich makes me friggin Dalai Lama in comparison that crawls around on the bottom of the pond you call "industry".
Not that I do not buy games cause I have around 50 store bought games, half of wich I consider being a pure steal and I would take legal action if I had even a 0.1% chance of landing such a thing. Tho good things I have purchased just barely makes up for this but I am glad I got them anyhow.
Now I am from sweden to and I shall counter your idea:
Who in sweden is with me whenever this takes place and are willing to stand on the others side? I shall bring the roadstones and pipes you all bring a fierce temper.
Who in their sane mind would try to defend the entertainment industry wich has flogged us for so long charging insane prices for any crap they could release, well the shoe is on the other foot now.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If it's crap, then don't play it. If you're going to play it you should pay for it, it's as simple as that. They're performing a service, which you are to pay for.
THere's this thing called buyer beware and freedom to purchase or not.
They didnt force you to buy their game and there are tons of people that buy them and tell you if it's any good or not.
By your logic you shouldnt have to pay for your meal at a restaurant, because you dont like the food. You should just be able to go in there and eat for free?
I have pirated things in the past, but that isnt justifiable and now only buy software.
I don't get your anger towards peer-to-peer applications. Take BitTorrent - I've literally downloaded hundreds of legal files using this very protocol. and it's great for small-time mod and application developers that' can't afford file hosting.
As for software piracy, I've never had any trouble stealing from thieves. I'm poor by most standards, so I can't afford many games, meaning I only buy games if I don't feel ripped off. With the current, ever-increasing prices, I'm going to download more games than I have before. 2 years ago, I was paying $50 for a new game because the publishers were greedy bastards. Now, I pay $70. Did the industry consider that people might've been forced to download illegal copies of software because of the ridiculously high prices? Apparently not. They bitch and moan about people downloading this and that, and despite everyone saying that software was too expensive, they RAISE the prices in order to INCREASE income? Pure greed, pure idiocy, and a major slap in the face for software develpers that will now have to find a way to cope with dwindling sales.
I only buy games if they're worth it, and if I think the developers deserve the cash enough for me to want to give money to these greedy distributers and publishers. The more expensive the games get, the less I'll buy.
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Hehe, I like your new quote, rathma, evil though it may be
I have a friend who thinks the exact same way about the Robin Hood principle...
...actually, I'm the only person I know in the flesh who is anti piracy...
Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
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safe to say thats the lamest comment of 2004 everyone
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
I'm just stating the facts...
Oh, and the staff of Swedish PC GAMER hates you too, or at least, they claim to...
Personally I don't hate you, I just think you're wrong and unethical, but that's up to each individual...
...allthough I am right and you are wrong...
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for the sake of mankind please, never breed.
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
Allright, instead of going celibate I'll just delete my MMORPG.com account in protest. That way everybody's happy. The pirates don't have me nagging here, I leave a forum I like for a cause and, well, the rest probably won't care either way. Anybody know where I delete my account?
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why is it that you keep calling me i pirate?? why dont you just come back down to earth buddy
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
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i never said i didnt like anybody, that was just a stupid comment, and im not a "pirate" per say nobody really has to worry about me. and well if you think earth sux.. youve got a bigger problem then i though
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
Our Air is Polluted, our Water is polluted, a lot of people die early after living a life of working 20/7...
Allright, I guess it's not Earth that sucks but what we've done to it, and we've just got to make the best out of it that we can.
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Ok glad you got that all worked out, btw there is no need for you to leave mmorpg.com
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Hrm...Downloading a couple songs because you heard them on the radio & like them, or stealing from one group and giving to another.
I'll have to say the latter is worse. And what is this you may ask?!
INCOME TAX!
Your Swedish right? Now why you're so worried about anti-pirating is beyond me. Your government & legal system is full of a bunch of nutcases that deserve to be shot. I'd worry more about trying to get a better government into power then trying to stop a couple of 12 year olds downloading Nsync.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Lol, that's true.
You seem like a very determined guy for trying to organize a demonstration against pirating but seriously.... Give up.
The only way you can actually make a difference is if you run into every house with internet and unplug their connections. Stealing files off the internet is like stealing from a store. The government says it's wrong, there are laws against it, but stealing still occurs every day.
How do you plan on stopping it?
for the sake of mankind please, never breed.
Lamest Comment Of 2004! - Fraek - Ah well, I'll just rest easy knowing that you know that many of the people who make the things you download hate you all...
yur my hero
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hehe swedish
Let me just start off by saying this: I said a lot of crap yesterday, being angry and tired, so just forget everything I said after my second or third post.
Sorry about those posts...
As for how I plan to stop it, well, I don't like out governemnt either, I believe in a Geniocratic society where the smartest people deal with the big issues and the rest just worry about their lives. However, this idiotic government can be abused. Seeing as they're all a bunh of pansies we could probably get a law or two passed by getting a hundred or so people to go on Hunger Strike. Not only would the ministers and Reichdag-people fear for our health and feel sympathy for us, but they'd also get lots of complaionts for not doing anything, like allways. Also, they'll probably hesitate for some time to use force, considering all that's happened in the past when they actually stood up.
A 12-year-old who downloads some N'Sync music may not be our largest problem, but millions of people downloading probably several Terrbytes of copyrighted material every day without paying for it, now that's a big problem.
Also, all we need to do is bribe 175 or so of the people in the Reichdag (chose the german word, since I don't know the English one, and I wasn't sure if you guys would understand the word Riksdag).
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You wanna fix what you call stealing with blatant bribery?
Well geez...
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
the only thing that has me so confused... you live in sweden.. so why would you care, it doesnt affect you
Well why do Europeans care if people in Africa and Asia are starving? Why do I care if people mistreat chickens? Does it affect me? No, but I have sympathy for these people, and I wish to do what is right. Downloading copyrighted material is, in my opinion, wrong, seeing as it is taking without paying, in other words, stealing.
Oh, and believe it or not, but Sweden does have industries, we have bands whose albums are put up on the internet (the guys in Gyllene Tider are very very angry with you people...), game-developers who have their games stolen and burnt, film-makers who are berothed of their profits, and shops that people don't use. It does affect us.
Poor poor Per Gessle...
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Hmmm...
Let me see if I have this straight...
Piracy on the Net is bad, but you can get a 100Mb pipe to the Net at your house in Sweden...
Seems like a pirate haven to me. What else could a home user use that much bandwidth for? You could download all the legal stuff the first half hour.
<reads post>
<goes back to downloading>
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I shall stop robbing the "industry" when they stop robbing me, they only after my money and they will stop at nothing to get it. Most stuff released is crap rapped up in pretty boxes and marketing hoaxes.
I feel no shame or guilt stealing from them just as they feel no shame or guilt what so ever releasing and selling stuff they KNOW is crap but they go to great lenghts trying to convince us otherwise just to get our money. So if this makes me the scum of the earth or whatever what does it make this "industry" you speak of that obviously are many levels below me when it comes to ethics and morals?
At least I am honest about what I do wich makes me friggin Dalai Lama in comparison that crawls around on the bottom of the pond you call "industry".
Not that I do not buy games cause I have around 50 store bought games, half of wich I consider being a pure steal and I would take legal action if I had even a 0.1% chance of landing such a thing. Tho good things I have purchased just barely makes up for this but I am glad I got them anyhow.
Now I am from sweden to and I shall counter your idea:
Who in sweden is with me whenever this takes place and are willing to stand on the others side? I shall bring the roadstones and pipes you all bring a fierce temper.
Who in their sane mind would try to defend the entertainment industry wich has flogged us for so long charging insane prices for any crap they could release, well the shoe is on the other foot now.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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If it's crap, then don't play it. If you're going to play it you should pay for it, it's as simple as that. They're performing a service, which you are to pay for.
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Join at http://www.guilduniverse.com/af
THere's this thing called buyer beware and freedom to purchase or not.
They didnt force you to buy their game and there are tons of people that buy them and tell you if it's any good or not.
By your logic you shouldnt have to pay for your meal at a restaurant, because you dont like the food. You should just be able to go in there and eat for free?
I have pirated things in the past, but that isnt justifiable and now only buy software.
I don't get your anger towards peer-to-peer applications. Take BitTorrent - I've literally downloaded hundreds of legal files using this very protocol. and it's great for small-time mod and application developers that' can't afford file hosting.
As for software piracy, I've never had any trouble stealing from thieves. I'm poor by most standards, so I can't afford many games, meaning I only buy games if I don't feel ripped off. With the current, ever-increasing prices, I'm going to download more games than I have before. 2 years ago, I was paying $50 for a new game because the publishers were greedy bastards. Now, I pay $70. Did the industry consider that people might've been forced to download illegal copies of software because of the ridiculously high prices? Apparently not. They bitch and moan about people downloading this and that, and despite everyone saying that software was too expensive, they RAISE the prices in order to INCREASE income? Pure greed, pure idiocy, and a major slap in the face for software develpers that will now have to find a way to cope with dwindling sales.
I only buy games if they're worth it, and if I think the developers deserve the cash enough for me to want to give money to these greedy distributers and publishers. The more expensive the games get, the less I'll buy.