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goobama
Member Posts: 35
in EVE Online
Okay I will start it off by saying that I LOVE Pvp and looting and as I read about this game and saw it had it. I got excited but then I read a few threads about pvp being veteran dominated. If this is true, i dont wanna waste my whole summer on some dumb game just so i can compete with veterans when its over.
Ok here are some question and please answer them truthfully:
1. Can i pvp within this summer if i play an hour a day? (summer ends in early august.)
2. will i ever be able to solo?
3. do i have to be a no lifer to catch up to the veterans?
Comments
1) nope...
2)yes
3)yes
2)yes
3)yes
You can PvP from day one. Sure you won't be flying a Titan anytime soon but you can be serving as tackler and helping your corp at gate camps or in fleet ops.
1) nope...
2)yes
3)yes
You can PvP from day one. Sure you won't be flying a Titan anytime soon but you can be serving as tackler and helping your corp at gate camps or in fleet ops.
unless he wants to be killed constantly then no...he cant
maybe after a month....
Please note the most important thing about Eve, which is the fact that your characters continue training while you're offline. This means two things:
1. you can never ever catch up to, let alone pass, someone who got in game before you.
2. they set the training to take for-frickin-ever in REAL TIME. And I mean you will (edit: eventually get to) set a skill that takes MONTHS of real time to train ONE level in.
So it's a massive time black hole for anyone who gets into it. I lost 6 months myself before I realized what a sucker play the game was. Every new person is just fodder for the more experienced ones.
Add in the multiple accounts and the fact that you can effectively multibox Eve on 1 computer (it's easy), and you've got people just farming the economy to get money to buy uber ships and weaps for their years-old characters .
You want to PvP against that? I took a 2 million skill point char (couple months solid training) into a 0-sec PvP guild. I was freakin' useless. Sure, go fly a Reaper and be a tackler (a small, fast ship that runs up close to bigger ships and tractors them down so they can't hyper out, thus letting your ships get solid kills).
BZZZT. Dead reaper over and over, because there's always a T2 interceptor in the other force tasked with KILLING THE TACKLERS lol.
Oh and PvP battles are insane lagfests- we had a 30 ship group jump into our 40 ship group, and that just stops time for everyone- the program won't even register your clicks to target and fire weapons.
So, I found Eve beyond disappointing. I love space games, and really wanted to have some good, fun fleet brawls
Oh well, there's always Jumpgate Evolution coming up. It sounds like those developers want everyone to have fun from the minute they log in 
Good luck whatever you choose!
1) eve takes a long time, if you just have the summer, I highly advise against it.
2) there are missions that you can solo, but its very boring, at least IMHO.
3) You can never catch up to the veterans based on the current skill system of Eve. You have to constantly learn new skills that take real life hours, sometimes a day to learn. So if someone has been playing since Eve was launched. There is no way you will ever catch them. Its pvp too, which means your ship blows up, you dont respawn, you have to build and re-equip a new one...which can take a while.
Dying is part of the game and it's not something you can avoid in EVE. Everyone will get popped and it's best to learn sooner rather then later. Besides frigates are stupid easy to replace if he joins a proper corp that backs him up.
OP -> Yes you will never catch up skill point wise to veterans with 5 years of playing time. The thing these guys haven't told you though is that a 5 year veteran is just as easy to kill as a 6 month old player when he is flying something like cruiser or frigate. Just because a 5 year player can fly 5 different ships does not mean the skill points he/she trained to fly those ships will all carry over in the current ship he/she is flying. In fact only a small percentage of skill points ever come into play when you fly a particular ship.
If the 5 year vet is flying a interceptor ( frigate ) well then only the skills that effect interceptors and his equipped modules will come into play in a PvP fight.
As a new player the best thing you can do is to specialize in one role and max it out. Once you are proficient in that role you can move onto another ship type. As I said a 5 year vet flying a frigate sized ship can only have skills that effect his/her frigate influence a PvP fight. So all those skill points he/she might of spent on training to fly a Battleship, Carrier, or Dreadnought and any other other frivolous skills ( manufacturing skills, social skills, exploration skills, etc... ) mean jack squat in a PvP fight where he/she and you are engaged in a area you specialized into. Not to mention most fights in EVE are small gangs to large fleet battles. 1v1 fights rarely happen in EVE.
1) nope...
2)yes
3)yes
You can PvP from day one. Sure you won't be flying a Titan anytime soon but you can be serving as tackler and helping your corp at gate camps or in fleet ops.
unless he wants to be killed constantly then no...he cant
maybe after a month....
Dying is part of the game and it's not something you can avoid in EVE. Everyone will get popped and it's best to learn sooner rather then latter. Besides frigates are stupid easy to replace if he joins a proper corp that backs him up.
IT STILL TAKES MONTH TO TRAIN TO PVP. CONSIDERING ALL THE SKILL YOU NEED TO LRARN AND WHAT NOT
ps: caps was by mistake
A month ? With the proper character creation and bloodline he can be kitted out in a Rifter and tackling in just 2-3 weeks. Or better yet jamming ships in a Griffin.
PS - Using all caps does not make your point anymore valid.
2)yes
3)yes
You can PvP from day one. Sure you won't be flying a Titan anytime soon but you can be serving as tackler and helping your corp at gate camps or in fleet ops.
unless he wants to be killed constantly then no...he cant
maybe after a month....
Dying is part of the game and it's not something you can avoid in EVE. Everyone will get popped and it's best to learn sooner rather then latter. Besides frigates are stupid easy to replace if he joins a proper corp that backs him up.
IT STILL TAKES MONTH TO TRAIN TO PVP. CONSIDERING ALL THE SKILL YOU NEED TO LRARN AND WHAT NOT
ps: caps was by mistake
A month ? With the proper character creation and bloodline he can be kitted out in a Rifter and tackling in just 2-3 weeks. Or better yet jamming ships in a Griffin.
PS - Using all caps does not make your point anymore valid.
i got a rifter in my first day
my cor gave it to me
still it will be very light pvp. rifter is pretty usless in pvp if he has no skill
what do you mean by "solo"? PvE yes, PVP maybe.
1. Yes
2. see above.
3. No; you dont "catch up in EvE" there are no levels....you just have to catch up in Knowledge, so yeah, you will have to read A LOT of forums and guides. In EvE you have to know your enemy before you even face them, the decisions you make before you engage the enemy ofter decide the victor.
Read This : http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=501785
PS: You get what you put into this game; if you put in 1 hour a day, dont expect to get much back in return in the short term.
~HappyGaming
I stopped reading part way through the thread, where do you trolls come from....they need to start building bigger bridges.
always the same lies... a lot of people seem to have problems with the game. a lot of people who clearly do not and have not ever played it beyond trial....
I can fly maybe 80 ships. not just 5.
but I can get shot down by any noob with the right counter. (I don't do capital ships).
people need to get it into their heads that a noob in an interceptor is incredible valuable to any corp and any gang/fleet and can be the death of any "vet".
this ain't WoW where a level 60 can pawn 600 level 1 players.
and new characters now get a lot more skill points for free than I did when I started... you can be useful in PvP few weeks after start.
skillpoints is not what keeps people from being pawned. it is, like above stated already, knowledge. pure and simple. knowledge of how the game works
new players have de opportunity to get vets and kill them
many new players can kill vet alliances proof = goons
(u can talk weeks about how goons play but 2,4 years ago was just some n00bs on syndicate dont have to ignore that)
BestSigEver :P
A month ? With the proper character creation and bloodline he can be kitted out in a Rifter and tackling in just 2-3 weeks. Or better yet jamming ships in a Griffin.
PS - Using all caps does not make your point anymore valid.
think your comment speaks to a very important point about Eve.
It doesn't have a learning curve, it has a learning CLIFF to climb. The OP's asking if he can play Eve casually, 1 hr per day, and be having fun PvP'ing in a month. Even getting through the tutorial session and beginning missions is going to take him at least a week, more like a week and a half or even two with such a limited time schedule.
So I'd say no. The OP is going to spend half of that month just learning the game. Training his char up for PvP and finding a good corp is going to take longer. The worst part is that at the end, he won't actually be getting kills himself, he'll just be the waterboy for the people shooting the real guns.
So it seems like a waste of time for him (or anybody really). It's just that, like EQ was when it first started, Eve the only MMO space game really out there, so you've got a lot of - clingons
- telling everyone how great it is, because there's nothing to compare it to.
I'd look through the game list here, sort by Genre, and check the most popular ones' forums to see what's coming up. My eye's on Jumpgate Evolution because the devs are modeling Star Wars-type space fighter PvP, and they're focused on the fastest time-to-fun ratio they can get. This is the exact opposite of Eve and a lot of fantasy games like EQ2, which are built to keep you training your char for as long as possible and doling out as little fun along the way as they can.
I semi agree with the above poster....
EvE isnt a hard game, you just have to "learn" how to play it, EvE is a information game, you have to have the information and "skill"; not twitch skill, thinking and comprehension of the situation to be able to use the right tactics in the right situations. And thats what I think most people dont "get" about EvE, its a "Thinking Mans Game".
But yeah, OP if you just looking to jump in a game and blow shit up...look into Jumpgate Evo when it comes out. If you want a game like it now check out http://en.taikodom.com/_404 and Ace Online (space cowboy). Theres actually a good few other Space games, they are just older....I think the original Jumpgate is still running.
~HappyGaming
A month ? With the proper character creation and bloodline he can be kitted out in a Rifter and tackling in just 2-3 weeks. Or better yet jamming ships in a Griffin.
PS - Using all caps does not make your point anymore valid.
think your comment speaks to a very important point about Eve.
It doesn't have a learning curve, it has a learning CLIFF to climb. The OP's asking if he can play Eve casually, 1 hr per day, and be having fun PvP'ing in a month. Even getting through the tutorial session and beginning missions is going to take him at least a week, more like a week and a half or even two with such a limited time schedule.
So I'd say no. The OP is going to spend half of that month just learning the game. Training his char up for PvP and finding a good corp is going to take longer. The worst part is that at the end, he won't actually be getting kills himself, he'll just be the waterboy for the people shooting the real guns.
So it seems like a waste of time for him (or anybody really). It's just that, like EQ was when it first started, Eve the only MMO space game really out there, so you've got a lot of - clingons
I'd look through the game list here, sort by Genre, and check the most popular ones' forums to see what's coming up. My eye's on Jumpgate Evolution because the devs are modeling Star Wars-type space fighter PvP, and they're focused on the fastest time-to-fun ratio they can get. This is the exact opposite of Eve and a lot of fantasy games like EQ2, which are built to keep you training your char for as long as possible and doling out as little fun along the way as they can.
If he joins the right corp his corp mates can basically guide him through the game and it's mechanics. I agree he will need to read guides and forums but the tutorial isn't really needed IMHO. Hell I skipped right through it myself and just read up in the forums and asked corp mates. With the proper corp he can have him setup in a ship ready to go and guided toward the right skill sets to learn to help out in pvp combat.
There's so many misconceptions about this game.
Can you compete with vets? Yes
Can you solo? Yes
Do you have to have no life to compete? No, the skills use real time, and you don't need 3 years worth of skills to kill someone.
The key to this game is not spending months training skills or making ISK, it's learning the game. By this I mean you actually researching, reading, and experimenting. It's not like most avatar based MMOs where if you played one you've played them all. You don't level up by doing quests and getting items. This is totally different and it isn't spoon fed to you. If you want to decide whether or not to play base your decision on if you have what it takes to learn the game, not whether or not you can compete, that isn't even a question.
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You know, instead of making long replies to threads like that that always crop, I'll just start advising the OPs to jump in with the trial and get their feet wet. Their either like it and stay or they won't.
Eve has never been about appealing to the mass market - it's no secret most people don't finish their trials. But those that do generally find Eve to be a very deep and open-ended game that supports a variety of play styles - some casual, some less so.