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Botting and Farmers - They Gonna Do Something This Time?
Anyone remember Lineage 2? Remember open beta? Remember the OBVIOUS BOTS?! Remember everyone spamming on the forums? Remember how 3 months into Lineage 2 they were still ignoring us? Remember the KISS/LOVE individuals who only spoke in mandarin pingyin killing everyone who came near them?
Are you guys going to IP China this time? And do you plan to actually do something about the bots? As of now, Lineage 2 is bot heaven. The entire game is filled with obvious bots and the devs literally do not give a rats ass. I do not understand why, and it's the reason why I'm on private servers.
Do the devs plan to kill this game as well?
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Yes there will be but i hope its not as blatant.
I suspect just like Lineage II, Aion will have hordes of gold farmers. All these games have gold farmers. You're just going to have to get use to them. They are simply part of the genre now.
Farmers in Aion won't ever have the influence they have in L2. it's game design and features make it way harder. Lineage II is the proper game for farmers: Repetitive long grind with free pvp, yes, but with consequences, which makes it quite easy for bots/farmers to go around and make money, the high dependance on money in L2 in order to do anything makes them more successful, plus the entirely player based economy, with no binds...everything can be obtained by buying adena in ebay. Aion sure offers innovative ways, and some others that have already been seen, in order to make it harder for RMT companies and bots:
Aion has a non negative consequences FFA pvp area, bots cant walk freely around the best pve zones. 2 out of the 3 kinds of gear (the 2 best ones) are not approached through killing mobs or money, draconian gear is obtained from the mobs in the abyss, bots can't go there for effective farming, cause they'd get ganked in no time, and abyssal gear is obtained only through pvp.
A pair of old interviews state that mobs grow stronger as you kill them, they will keep spawning stronger and stronger to the point they would kill you if you don't change zone, those wouldn't be good news for bots, pitifuly, we haven't heard about this lately, so it might have been dropped.
What Im trying to say is that Aion will have the same RMT problems as any other successful game, AoC, WoW, WAR or whatever. Can't count to see something like L2 since it was a special game which made it quite easy for RMT, its not that NCsoft didn't care, its that they, imho, were overwhelmed cause the game was a bots paradise (source code was leaked) and NCNA wasn't big enough to take care of that issue back then. Right now I have a pair of friends in Luna (new L2 server) and they are telling me NC is doing some mass bans, many "factor" people getting banned due to reports.
Well, As long as the GM'S are quick or banning bots, or the Game Programmers, think in a system that will not allow the usage of bots, guess it will be partially ok.
OFC there's always one or two in this process.
I know, but I swear to God that NCSoft (the Lineage 2 team at least) has a contract with the adena farmers. It's a well known fact that people get flamed for mentioning about bots.
No, we're not going to live with them. Square-Enix took it's slow ass time to start banning bots, but they sure as hell saved the economy. Lineage 2, psh, it doesn't do crap.
The way I see it is quite simply, either they deal with bots with the way Blizzard does (massive bans each month) or 80% of the player base is going to private servers, and I KNOW there will be private servers.
All mmo's are gonna have "gold farmers" so its inevitable. In regards to the ineage 2 reference I beleive I read in one of these articles that they've learned from that and are supposedly taking steps to prevent it in Aion
There is a difference between farmers and what lineage 2 had.. Why? Because they CRIPPLED the gameplay. The entire economy was trashed.. Look at games like WoW.. Are there bots? Sure.. Did they effect the economy the same way as Lineage 2? No... No.. A thousand times no. But unless you played Lineage 2 during its bot phase.. And it looks like most of you did.. Don't even KID that your going to compare it other games and say things like "Da... Every-game has farmers"
thats the thing the L2 devs have a saying " we want the players to make the world there own" ie if you want to bot you can bot.... i have had many devs tell me this when complaining to them. So if they have the same attitude in Aion then were screwed
I know, but I swear to God that NCSoft (the Lineage 2 team at least) has a contract with the adena farmers. It's a well known fact that people get flamed for mentioning about bots.
Pretty much. Aion will be the same. Looks sexy though.
Alright guys, lets wait for private servers to come up. I for one will play this game 3 months tops because by then the game is going to be crippled by farmers.
Yes, every game has farmers, but certain games are affected by them more than others (anyone who played Final Fantasy XI knows how badly they destroyed the game until they got massively banned).
So either they hire staff dedicated to screwing over/banning farmers or we run to private servers after private server.
gold selling can never be stopped...botting however can be stopped easily with a dedicated team
You really never played XI did you? XI had more gold farming issues than Lineage 2 and the economy was crippled so badly we were all forced to buy adena...until Square-Enix stepped in and started banning a crap load of sellers.
No, it can't be stopped (farming) but it can be limited and conroled to a certain extent. Lineage 2 had NO form of control. You even get banned for talking about the bots on the forums.
You really never played XI did you? XI had more gold farming issues than Lineage 2 and the economy was crippled so badly we were all forced to buy adena...until Square-Enix stepped in and started banning a crap load of sellers.
No, it can't be stopped (farming) but it can be limited and conroled to a certain extent. Lineage 2 had NO form of control. You even get banned for talking about the bots on the forums.
Ok, well for one, that is not all true. At least when taken at face value.
NC has always said, if you want to report bots go through channels otherwise do not post on the forums. But what do people do? They post on the forums. So they get banned. As of now there is a "bot thread" that if you want to make special mention of bots you can. Otherwise "don't post on the forums or the thread will get locked.
As far as bots in game that is an iffy one. I've reported bots and lo and behold, within a few minutes they have been removed. I have also reported bots only to log in the next day and still see them. Hate that. Then again a few more days and they are gone. I have also learned that there is one bot train that has been running a few weeks in MOS so there it is.
I've also just learned (and am saddened to say) that an old clannie of mine now bots. Of course this was from another person so he has not had a chance to defend himself. Still this other person is pretty trustworthy.
I think any game that promotes hardcore competition will get people who need to win at any cost. Look at pro sports. So many people taking steroids even though they know that if they are caught they will be banned. But they do it anyway becasue the rewards are worth it to them.
So in short, they do ban bots, it is a mystery to me as to who in the end gets banned because it seems so uneven, and don't talk about in on the forums unless you put it in the bot thread or they will lock the post.
Aion will have bots. Might not have as many. Might have pro farmers though (like old L2 did) if the bots can't do the job.
Remember, RMT is huge business and those involved will do what they can to make money at it. If they need to hire real people so be it.
There is not a popular Triple A game that does not have RMT. Even WoW, one of the easiest games to lvl and get money has it.
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If you can't beat them... join them. Worked for me and now I'm having a blast in L2.
Lineage 2 has one of the worst bot problems I've seen in a game (except Rohan).
I do feel NCSoft will probably suck at handling bots in Aion as well, since they don't really seem to give a shit about them in L2. Well not enough of a shit to do anything worthwhile, like random weekly patches to thwart the programs, or other inventive ways. They just handle them with the old cliche ways.
I would be prepared to bet a months salary Aion will be as bot infested as L2. And I bet the economy will be just as fucked over by bots as well.
NCSoft has a BAD rep with bots, since L2 is regarded as one of the worst bot cases in the p2p world.
EDIT: after reading Ephimero's post, I have a tiny bit more hope. But if they GM team is understaffed/does not care like L2's gm staff, bots will still rule the economy and the game basically.
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Well i hardly think it'll happen in Aion, at least to the extent it's going to current mmorpgs like EQ2, WoW, and AoC ect.
Lineage 2 had a sourcecode leak which was the main problem to the huge bot problem, thanks to (at that time) an inexperienced NA/EU team, they have grown since then.
And since it's a PvPvE game i guess, with a little co-up we'll be able to kill the few bots who emerges, just like in any other mmorpg, where the players inform each other of a bot and then take their own meassures against them as well, i remember back in vanilla WoW, when it was common to see a bot at certain popular gold farming spots and you just hailed someone to kill it from the other faction, if it were from your own, else you just kited it somewhere and then killed it off or did some "combat removal", to see if it could adapt.
Any mmorpg who face a sourcecode leak will be facing dire problems in form of perfect bots.
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I think you must be living in denial, no game anywhere is 100% crack proof. The ONLY way to at least delay the inevitable would be to use a totally different programming code. That way, programs such hex readers, packet sniffers, script compilers ect ect ect wouldnt be compatable till updated. Most of these guys that open source their programs are very code literate and arent in it for the money but rather the challenge.
If what you said held any deffinitive truth, CoX and TR would be infested by bots. CoX actually has 2x the subs comparing it to L2 in North America.
And don't tell me they are developed by different companies, Im quite aware of that, but they hire people with the same proccesses, they all work in the same offices, If L2 has a special bots problem it's cause L2's design and, as Qmire says, leaks, offers a paradise for bots.
And Lupisen, as you say, no game is invulnerable, but the source leak during prelude made L2 walker almost perfect, to the point where leveling with bots wasn't only easy, but also safe (auto log off when people are near, GM detection, etc) I was there when the bots were being developed, and I remember perfectly how everyone talked then that the leak was perfect for hackers.
If what you said held any deffinitive truth, CoX and TR would be infested by bots. CoX actually has 2x the subs comparing it to L2 in North America.
And don't tell me they are developed by different companies, Im quite aware of that, but they hire people with the same proccesses, they all work in the same offices, If L2 has a special bots problem it's cause L2's design and, as Qmire says, leaks, offers a paradise for bots.
And Lupisen, as you say, no game is invulnerable, but the source leak during prelude made L2 walker almost perfect, to the point where leveling with bots wasn't only easy, but also safe (auto log off when people are near, GM detection, etc) I was there when the bots were being developed, and I remember perfectly how everyone talked then that the leak was perfect for hackers.
This is absolutely true. They do have the same offices and most likely the same processes. It really is L2's design that fosters it.
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I think you must be living in denial, no game anywhere is 100% crack proof. The ONLY way to at least delay the inevitable would be to use a totally different programming code. That way, programs such hex readers, packet sniffers, script compilers ect ect ect wouldnt be compatable till updated. Most of these guys that open source their programs are very code literate and arent in it for the money but rather the challenge.
Did i say Aion would have no bots and farmers at all? No, i didn't. If you try to point out to the start, then i was referring to "if Aion would be like lineage 2 with the bot/farmer problems". If you couldn't see that for yourself, then i hope god blesses you with some common sense later on in life.
I said Aion would would have it like any other mmorpg.
And also, the community is always a big key/help in fighting farmers and bots
It's not hard to know that pretty much every mmorpg will have a bot/farmer problem in one way or another. I sadly didn't pay attention to air headed people in my response and for that i'm sorry.
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I've played ffxi since NA realease and was appauled at how screwed up the economy was. Even today, after the mass bannings and removal of gil, RMT still finds a way to ruin the game. IE: They try to monopolize crafs on the AH, which still dicks over legit players.
I don't think I'm ever going to play another Asian mmo again, cuz those IP's coming out of China are sporting sweatshops dedicated to online currency selling.
I think I am going to waste the next decade of my mmo carreer in WAR.
Well, as may of you have already seen there are gold selling sites with Aion already added to the list. I really do not know if gold farmers will be a huge problem. My major concern right now with gold farmers is if the richest will become one of the strongest item wise. I believe that you can obtain great items from quests and abyss fights, so lets hope that the gold farming will not have a major impact. Maybe Europe will have more luck unless they are able to obtain a proxy to access. The majority of the gold selling sites I know of are located in America, but have a office in China. Do we really know what the major positives about having a lot of gold right now? The game doesn't seem to be potion spam, so we won't really have to worry about potions costing an arm and a leg. Like I said before, the items are obtained from quests and pvp, but I am sure you are able to purchase. The only positive thing I can think of right now for someone being rich is being able to purchase the materials used to craft and refine their armor to an even higher status. We really do not know what Ncsoft will do for Aion at this time. I heard players would get in trouble for accepting or trading gold without anything in return maybe something like that would show up.
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a perfect example of what u just said would be guild wars......u trade 100k w/o anything in return and bang, all money ectracted from u... lol funny ^_^....anyways it fixed gold selling problems so now u see no more money spams ( or atleast i havent )...so i hope they do that in aion ...anyways i just hope NC-softdoesnt crew the economy itself....like in Guild Wars....the eotn update made it so Ursan Blessing was overpowered...aka...the fall of Domain of Anguish...gem prices went fomr around 80-100k ( long time ago ) to at most 4k each
........economy in Guild Wrs= totaly scrwed up....im just doing PVP right now and playing sword of the new world ( i admit i use buildt in bot for SoTNW sooo 
..i have excuse though...its a grindy game lol ) so just waiting those last 6-9 months for aion to come out.....but i do agree ... bots have it harder in Aion because of the pvp armors and questing armor....onyl real threat would be the materials for crafting like Devestati0n said......sooo yea i dont think it will have much of a bottin/gold selling problem......Either way i find a bot in the Abbyss theres 2 options.........I either 1. KILL IT :P...or 2 get someone form the other faction to kill it ^_^ and then report it to Nc-Soft...hopefully they will give a dam...
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well cant w8 for Aion.......
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