Tasos has made a lot of promises to the community recently, lets hope he keeps them all.

Polarization · June 2008

According to Tasos in his last 2 updates the community can expect soon :-

"a few interviews to various mainstream media"

"a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks","using actual Darkfall gameplay footage"

"a couple of magazine interviews"

"a couple of online interviews"

"a couple of updates that are forthcoming"

"a Q&A journal"

"some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community

"some community members here in early-mid July"

Draccan · June 2008

Originally posted by Polarization

According to Tasos in his last 2 updates the community can expect soon :-
"a few interviews to various mainstream media"
"a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks","using actual Darkfall gameplay footage"
"a couple of magazine interviews"
"a couple of online interviews"
"a couple of updates that are forthcoming"
"a Q&A journal"
"some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community
"some community members here in early-mid July"

I wouldn't hold my breath for it, to be honest..

I doubt really much this will ever see the light of the day!

huxflux2004 · June 2008

Well if they do all that, then I am going to believe in Darkfall. These things would guarantee that there actually is a game after all.

But, however much I wish the game came up to the expectations, I cannot see us getting anything more than another D&L. If we get anything at all.

Friction2u · June 2008

Originally posted by Polarization

According to Tasos in his last 2 updates the community can expect soon :-

"a few interviews to various mainstream media"

"a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks","using actual Darkfall gameplay footage"

"a couple of magazine interviews"

"a couple of online interviews"

"a couple of updates that are forthcoming"

"a Q&A journal"

"some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community

"some community members here in early-mid July"

Magazines are another kind of mainstream media, you know :rolleyes:

*sigh*

Before people start to mis-quote Tasos here is what he said.

Things are going well with the game testing and with the publishing activities. There are no serious problems to speak of, and we’re on schedule with our milestones.

A couple of things that have us excited: The Darkfall world has been up in its entirety and seeing it all together we have to say that it’s a truly massive world, it’s larger than some countries. You can spend many hours just running through it, and there are so many amazing locations to explore.

There's a focus on optimizing our massive battles capability; we want them to run as smoothly as possible with as many players as possible. We’ve been simulating massive battles and sieges with more than two hundred characters and getting a good 30-60 fps on average machines so far. Under normal loads we typically get over 150 fps and there are still several optimizations to be made so we expect these figures to improve quite a bit.

A little on what’s going on here other than development and business:

We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well.

We made a Darkfall presentation at a local college with a videogame development program while there to recruit some junior QA personnel. Kjetil and I went there and we were happy to meet a lot of friendly and capable people. We were very pleased with the reception and the reaction to the game.

We’re expecting some community members here in early-mid July, people who will be passing through or vacationing in Greece. These are people we’ve never met before that sent us emails on the occasion of their visit. We hope to be in a position to receive them properly; we really can’t plan that far ahead at this stage but we’ll do our best. Over the years we’ve received several visitors that just popped by, a recent one being Asp from the Lords of Death who wrote a piece about Darkfall

and another being Bakatron who also wrote about his visit.

There are a couple of updates that are forthcoming, and we’ll try for a Q&A a journal, or something along those lines for next week.

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

This is not an update as much as it is checking in with the community. Just to inform you about the sparse updates: they’re due to an urgent health problem that landed me in the hospital for a week and I’m still trying to catch up with work.

Our main contact has left Warcry so we’ll see what we’ll be doing with the Journal there. We will be giving out a few interviews to various mainstream media and we will try to keep some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community. We’re looking at releasing a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks. We’re doing this ourselves and our first priority is working on the game, so we can’t just slap something together in a couple of days. We also won’t hire a production company to make a Darkfall-inspired cartoon for us, so we’ll be using actual Darkfall gameplay footage like we always do.

I don’t have the time to continue last week’s Q&A but I’ll address some specific concerns stemming from it:

I never said that public beta would be two weeks. I said several weeks. Public beta will be as long as it needs to be. We hope and we’re working hard so that it won’t need to be very long. The clan beta will likely be a stage of public beta. The announcement of launch within the year is an official company commitment and it’s not a guestimate. We’re making strides with publishing in the direction where we maintain full creative control on the game.

The universal banking system we’re implementing in Darkfall is because we found it was very tedious not having it. Universal banks have become an industry standard for a reason. We've found that their existence does wonders for the fun factor as opposed to their absence. Darkfall is challenging in every way, you don’t need it to be tedious. We’ll balance universal banks to work as well as possible and we’ll continue balancing them if we have to.

As for caravans, firstly, we never confirmed that they were in the game. They were never in the original design; they weren’t announced as a feature, they were just brought up and have been promoted by some community members. We have looked at them as a possible cool feature but to be honest, I can't say they're that cool in practice. As things stand you can form a caravan using mounts, ships etc. With them you can move large quantities of goods, fairly fast, rather than running small loads back and forth over and over. The world is huge and the distances to travel are great and there will be a need for transport of large amounts of resources such as those intended for city building.

You do have the freedom of forming caravans. You also have the option of universal banks. When we make design decisions like these, we’re thinking of the majority of players and we speak from experience. Few players would initially enjoy the absence of universal banks, but even they would get tired of the wasted time commitment.

Finally, these raised undead armies, armies of dead players, and armies of NPCs etc. we keep reading on the boards: What’s this NPC fascination about? Why not raise a player army instead? Every bot takes up resources players could be using and Darkfall is a massive multiplayer game. Even if it’s all the rage in MMOs lately we want to further the multiplayer real-time aspect with Darkfall rather than go the other direction. There is no progress in having to introduce single player features such as more NPCs to a MMORPG.

As for underscores, numbers, etc. in names it's just the way it works right now. If you don't like them, sure we'll take them out until you petition them back in when you run out of naming options. : )

There's no ETA for the next update, but we'll do our best on that.

Thanks for reading

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Polarization · June 2008

Originally posted by Draccan

I wouldn't hold my breath for it, to be honest..

My face is already turning blue!

I doubt really much this will ever see the light of the day!

Are you seriously suggesting Tasos might be guilty of telling porky pies?. (my lip is quivering and a single tear is forming in my eye)

Polarization · June 2008

Originally posted by Friction2u

Magazines are another kind of mainstream media, you know :rolleyes:
*sigh*
But there not the only kind, you know :rolleyes:
*sigh*
Before people start to mis-quote Tasos here is what he said.
Please demonstrate where i have misquoted Tasos, they are all quote's from his last 2 updates.

sayitwithme · June 2008

Promises suck

sayitwithme · June 2008

Originally posted by bloodyleach
BTW my MMORPG that I made all by myself in my basement is almost ready for release. It is featured in some magazines, I will tell you which ones when they come out. Some people you don't know stopped by and said my game looks awesome and stuff and they wrote blogs about it. I was a feature lecturer at a local college to talk about the awesomeness of my game.

mike470 · June 2008

Originally posted by Polarization

According to Tasos in his last 2 updates the community can expect soon :-
"a few interviews to various mainstream media"
"a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks","using actual Darkfall gameplay footage"
"a couple of magazine interviews"
"a couple of online interviews"
"a couple of updates that are forthcoming"
"a Q&A journal"
"some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community
"some community members here in early-mid July"

The chances of him fulfilling two of these eight things is so unlikely. I highly doubt that he can keep these promises, which he has failed to do in the past.

Only time will telll and July is apparently a key month, where many things will, or will not, be happening.

Kyleran · June 2008

Originally posted by Polarization

According to Tasos in his last 2 updates the community can expect soon :-

"a few interviews to various mainstream media"

"We will be giving out a few interviews to various mainstream media"

"a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks","using actual Darkfall gameplay footage" is better if kept in the full context.

"We’re looking at releasing a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks. We’re doing this ourselves and our first priority is working on the game, so we can’t just slap something together in a couple of days. We also won’t hire a production company to make a Darkfall-inspired cartoon for us, so we’ll be using actual Darkfall gameplay footage like we always do."

"a couple of magazine interviews" more accurately quoted is

"There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out."

"a couple of online interviews"

"There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well.

"There are a couple of updates that are forthcoming"

a Q&A journal - more accurately quoted

"we’ll try for a Q&A a journal, or something along those lines for next week."

"some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community

"we will try to keep some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community"

"some community members here in early-mid July" should also add:

"We hope to be in a position to receive them properly; we really can’t plan that far ahead at this stage"

In response to Friction's post, seems to me Polarization quoted Tasos pretty accurately, but just for the record I went ahead and updated the quotes with a bit more info.

In the end, Tasos has promised the above items in the near future, however you'll note in some cases he's left himself some wiggle room.

laresloci · June 2008

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Polarization

According to Tasos in his last 2 updates the community can expect soon :-
"a few interviews to various mainstream media"
"We will be giving out a few interviews to various mainstream media"
"a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks","using actual Darkfall gameplay footage" is better if kept in the full context.
"We’re looking at releasing a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks. We’re doing this ourselves and our first priority is working on the game, so we can’t just slap something together in a couple of days. We also won’t hire a production company to make a Darkfall-inspired cartoon for us, so we’ll be using actual Darkfall gameplay footage like we always do."
"a couple of magazine interviews" more accurately quoted is
"There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out."
"a couple of online interviews"
"There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well.
"There are a couple of updates that are forthcoming"
a Q&A journal - more accurately quoted
"we’ll try for a Q&A a journal, or something along those lines for next week."
"some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community
"we will try to keep some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community"
"some community members here in early-mid July" should also add:
"We hope to be in a position to receive them properly; we really can’t plan that far ahead at this stage"

In response to Friction's post, seems to me Polarization quoted Tasos pretty accurately, but just for the record I went ahead and updated the quotes with a bit more info.

In the end, Tasos has promised the above items in the near future, however you'll note in some cases he's left himself some wiggle room.

Yeah, seems to be a lot of "wiggling" and "giggling"...

arctarus · June 2008

Ultimately the way he says it gives me the felling that if this game is really still in production, its in a very early stage....

Thunderous · June 2008

I want Darkfall to exist as much as the next person but let's get real here...

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO THROW TOGETHER A GAMEPLAY VIDEO??? These are supposedly professional programmers here. 2 or 3 people can do this in 1 day. Are you telling me they are THAT busy coding that they can't put 2 people on it for 1 day?

I mean who needs advertising right? They aren't trying to make money here or anything.

I've followed this for years, I've read all this for years. Same excuses, same language, same result.

I just am really starting to believe this game is nothing more than an investment scam.

Gishgeron · June 2008

Originally posted by Thunderous

I want Darkfall to exist as much as the next person but let's get real here...
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO THROW TOGETHER A GAMEPLAY VIDEO??? These are supposedly professional programmers here. 2 or 3 people can do this in 1 day. Are you telling me they are THAT busy coding that they can't put 2 people on it for 1 day?
I mean who needs advertising right? They aren't trying to make money here or anything.
I've followed this for years, I've read all this for years. Same excuses, same language, same result.
I just am really starting to believe this game is nothing more than an investment scam.

I don't really think its an investment scam. I think its a clever way for freelance, nobodymen, to earn some early cred to get into either a major MMO company more easily.....or to open the way for them to get employed in marketing somewhere based on how successful their marketing approach is even when backed by so little.

I'm leaning toward "group of new programmers and such that just want their foot in the door and decided that the best way to do that was to talk about a game they 'might' make and show some basic screenshots or simple videos of what they can do, and then allow the public to virally transmit this widely so that it reaches the eyes of all the major players, thus, allowing them a shot at getting a real job far easier than the average joe because they have already proven to be decent with code and GREAT at selling an ideal."

Polarization · June 2008

Originally posted by Thunderous
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO THROW TOGETHER A GAMEPLAY VIDEO??? These are supposedly professional programmers here. 2 or 3 people can do this in 1 day. Are you telling me they are THAT busy coding that they can't put 2 people on it for 1 day?

Good question ,apparently it takes the developers 1 month to go from "looking at releasing" a video to of only just "started collecting in-game footage" for that video.

May 23rd

We’re looking at releasing a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks. We’re doing this ourselves and our first priority is working on the game, so we can’t just slap something together in a couple of days.

June 20th

We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along.

So they are so busy working on the game they don’t have much time to show us the game, Because they don’t consider it a high enough priority at the moment.

But they manage to find time for things like this which are apparently higher on there priority list

"We made a Darkfall presentation at a local college with a videogame development program while there to recruit some junior QA personnel."

"We’re expecting some community members here in early-mid July,"

"There have been a couple of magazine interviews"

"and we’ll try for a Q&A a journal, or something along those lines for next week."

I personally don’t think any of those things should be higher on the priority list then releasing the comprehensive gameplay video.

Polarization · June 2008

Q&A Next Wednesday

We now have a definite timeframe for one of the eight promises.

Zerocool032 · June 2008

The devs of Darkfall could probably care less what the community wants. They know a good game will attract more players than a polished over advertised MMO ever will. What are they worrying about?

I mean seriously if you threw the best game together with features people have been longing for, why would you go out of your way to hype this game when you already know the game itself kicks ass?

Keeper2000 · June 2008

Originally posted by Zerocool032

The devs of Darkfall could probably care less what the community wants. They know a good game will attract more players than a polished over advertised MMO ever will. What are they worrying about?
I mean seriously if you threw the best game together with features people have been longing for, why would you go out of your way to hype this game when you already know the game itself kicks ass?

Imho, not managing the community produces the opposite as you are implying. The game is uber hyped. Why? Because as they never cared to show anything abotu it, each of us have in our minds what each feature is. Now... how will anyone release a game that actually covers everyone's private hype? Imo, it's impossible.

if you think we, the players, understand the features equally I invite you to read the DFO forums and see the discussions. Each person has his/her own "vision"on how each feature should be. Just to name one: sea combat.

By not showing us thing or careing about manage us (the community) they are creating huge hype.

Worst, each time the release some information it's jsut written info that speaks of the marvelous of everything.

IF DFO release, I think the most hard thing the game will have to survive will be the hype.

And adding to all these is the fact they aren't in a beta where non employees are testing the game so they aren't recieving customers' feedback.

Of course, DFO may end up been the best game ever and the features will cover so much of what each of us is expecting that the game will survive.

And, imho, Aventurine do hype this game (just that they hype it with only text and nothing else to back up what they say). Tasos is a hype machine.

sempiternal · June 2008

*sigh*

sayitwithme · June 2008

Tasos.. king of the bullshitters

Zorvan · June 2008

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Polarization

According to Tasos in his last 2 updates the community can expect soon :-
"a few interviews to various mainstream media"
"We will be giving out a few interviews to various mainstream media"
In other words, we will be talking more bullshit and getting it printed so everyone can quote the article as "proof" the game exists.
"a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks","using actual Darkfall gameplay footage" is better if kept in the full context.
"We’re looking at releasing a comprehensive video sometime in the next few weeks. We’re doing this ourselves and our first priority is working on the game, so we can’t just slap something together in a couple of days. We also won’t hire a production company to make a Darkfall-inspired cartoon for us, so we’ll be using actual Darkfall gameplay footage like we always do."
We need to learn a new modeling program and get some better editing software so we can make another movie that will show basically nothing but some NPCs standing around and maybe we'll model a character and animate it so we can run around the little area we build for the farce.
"a couple of magazine interviews" more accurately quoted is
"There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out."
We haven't done any magazine articles, so we can't give you names or they'd rat us out. Hopefully, the DF fanbois will say "Give them time" like they always do to cover our asses.
"a couple of online interviews"
"There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well.
Yay, we get to talk more bullshit while again showing nothing. We may give them some renders and tell them they're "screenshots" for printing.
"There are a couple of updates that are forthcoming"
a Q&A journal - more accurately quoted
"we’ll try for a Q&A a journal, or something along those lines for next week."
We'll give you the same updates we always do: "game's doing fine, all is well".
"some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community
"we will try to keep some specialized updates for the core Darkfall community"
We'll tell you "game's doing fine, all is well" twice in a row for added emphasis.
"some community members here in early-mid July" should also add:
"We hope to be in a position to receive them properly; we really can’t plan that far ahead at this stage"
We have to think of where we're going to seat them so they're isolated from seeing those guys "working on the game" on all those computers are actually all playing WoW or surfing porn.

In response to Friction's post, seems to me Polarization quoted Tasos pretty accurately, but just for the record I went ahead and updated the quotes with a bit more info.

In the end, Tasos has promised the above items in the near future, however you'll note in some cases he's left himself some wiggle room.

Just wanted to add even more clarity to your excellent post, Kyleran.

Polarization · June 2008

Originally posted by Zerocool032

The devs of Darkfall could probably care less what the community wants.

How unprofessional and disrespectful, but lets hope they miraculously start caring about what the community wants when they expect us to start paying them.

They know a good game will attract more players than a polished over advertised MMO ever will.

But a good game that is polished and advertised will attract even more players.

What are they worrying about?

Presumably successfully developing and launching Darkfall within 6 months, amongst many other things I should think.

I mean seriously if you threw the best game together with features people have been longing for, why would you go out of your way to hype this game when you already know the game itself kicks ass?

Exactly what puzzles me and many others.
If the developers do indeed have the best game ever that they know “kicks ass” with all the features people have been longing for.
Why have they been going out of there way to hype the game for so many years when instead they could of just simply started showing it to us?

Isane · June 2008

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Zerocool032

The devs of Darkfall could probably care less what the community wants.

How unprofessional and disrespectful, but lets hope they miraculously start caring about what the community wants when they expect us to start paying them.

They know a good game will attract more players than a polished over advertised MMO ever will.

But a good game that is polished and advertised will attract even more players.

What are they worrying about?

Presumably successfully developing and launching Darkfall within 6 months, amongst many other things I should think.

I mean seriously if you threw the best game together with features people have been longing for, why would you go out of your way to hype this game when you already know the game itself kicks ass?

Exactly what puzzles me and many others.
If the developers do indeed have the best game ever that they know “kicks ass” with all the features people have been longing for.
Why have they been going out of there way to hype the game for so many years when instead they could of just simply started showing it to us?

Of course DF care bout the community, not sure that that is here though..

Advertising costs money they maybe don't have at the moment, based on the lack of quality MMOs available at the moment , anything vaguely good will sell itself.

Not sure they are worrying they just seem to be busy, will the small number of staff they have understandable.

Most of the hype is generated by the so called "community" based on release content I don't believe they have. They have responded posted a limited number of forum posts, set up a web-site that outlines the game , posted infrequent updates, but if you believe they have over hyped on the ammount of content they have released you are wrong.

The level of hype generated on any game that may be half decently coded and having features that work shows the desperate MMO community no reflection on DF.

Polarization · June 2008

Originally posted by Isane

Of course DF care bout the community, not sure that that is here though..
I think most members of any DF community especialy the official one would laugh in your face if you told them the DF developers care about them.
Advertising costs money they maybe don't have at the moment, based on the lack of quality MMOs available at the moment , anything vaguely good will sell itself.
Lets hope Darkfall is at least vaguely good then so it will sell itself, without the need for advertising.
Not sure they are worrying they just seem to be busy, will the small number of staff they have understandable.

30 developers plus an undisclosed number of internal testers is not that small really, but I hope all that time they have spent being busy will eventually pay of for them and us.

Most of the hype is generated by the so called "community" based on release content I don't believe they have. They have responded posted a limited number of forum posts, set up a web-site that outlines the game , posted infrequent updates, but if you believe they have over hyped on the ammount of content they have released you are wrong.

Yeah I’m wrong, the developers have definitely not been constantly talking at every opportunity vaguely and ambiguously since 2001 about all the wonderful and fantastic features Darkfall will have, it’s the community that’s to blame for all the hype.
And the features list on the official websites FAQ for example is not so impressive it almost seems unbelievable, defiantly no hype on the developers part there either.

The level of hype generated on any game that may be half decently coded and having features that work shows the desperate MMO community no reflection on DF.

I agree with you about the general current situation of the MMO community, but I don’t agree that DF has not been hyped anymore then the average MMO.
In my opinion the only thing that has kept interest in this project going for so many years is the relatively huge amount of hype that has been sustained by the developers, based almost entirely on their words and promises and actually on very little evidence so far.

Isane · June 2008

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Isane

Of course DF care bout the community, not sure that that is here though..
I think most members of any DF community especialy the official one would laugh in your face if you told them the DF developers care about them.
Advertising costs money they maybe don't have at the moment, based on the lack of quality MMOs available at the moment , anything vaguely good will sell itself.
Lets hope Darkfall is at least vaguely good then so it will sell itself, without the need for advertising.
Not sure they are worrying they just seem to be busy, will the small number of staff they have understandable.

30 developers plus an undisclosed number of internal testers is not that small really, but I hope all that time they have spent being busy will eventually pay of for them and us.

Most of the hype is generated by the so called "community" based on release content I don't believe they have. They have responded posted a limited number of forum posts, set up a web-site that outlines the game , posted infrequent updates, but if you believe they have over hyped on the ammount of content they have released you are wrong.

Yeah I’m wrong, the developers have definitely not been constantly talking at every opportunity vaguely and ambiguously since 2001 about all the wonderful and fantastic features Darkfall will have, it’s the community that’s to blame for all the hype.
And the features list on the official websites FAQ for example is not so impressive it almost seems unbelievable, defiantly no hype on the developers part there either.

The level of hype generated on any game that may be half decently coded and having features that work shows the desperate MMO community no reflection on DF.

I agree with you about the general current situation of the MMO community, but I don’t agree that DF has not been hyped anymore then the average MMO.
In my opinion the only thing that has kept interest in this project going for so many years is the relatively huge amount of hype that has been sustained by the developers, based almost entirely on their words and promises and actually on very little evidence so far.

The list of features is pretty much what we have seen piece meal in a lot of games, a number of MUDs have most if not all these features minus the graphical aspect which can be difficult to address.

From a coding perspective I see no problem in getting all those features coded from a bits and bytes angle, integrating adequate graphics and the networking aspects into something efficient and playable is the greatest challenge. Good design up front helps and it looks to me like they have had 3 stabs at this sticking with an approach from 2003 onwards.

A lot of what is said about features is exaserbated by fans and sticking with what is on the official site has not changed greatly, so Tasos being confident in their developing product, is not Hype it may be over confidence or arrogance but not hype.

I guess the problem with the whole picture here is that the code is feature complete the package around that that makes it look like a playable game is something else.

I can't disagree with you to any great extent as you seem too sensible and you arguments from one perspective are solid... for these forumns. But the hype is maintained by disalusioned MMOers.... And the fact that a sandbox with this variety of features is not available and is what a good number of people want is self generating as far as hype goes(so to some extent DF are responsible for the list not the ongoing furore though.

The scope of the DF site has not changed that much as we can all see from the lack of updates. I love the bit that talks about PvP being only a small part of the game, and that is what holds my attention the most. Strategic/ Expansive world/ Great feature list .... We all have different view on what the game should be.

Polarization · July 2008

It appears my sentiments are now being represented by some members of the official community.

Less than a week till mid-July

"So when should we actually expect to see this supposed cornucopia of information, interviews and articles (plus visits to the DFO Headquarters in Greece) regarding Darkfall?"

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