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Is there a diff between Van and EQ2?
Kram59
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Hi everyone, Just ordered Vang and going to try it out. Have played most games online but was curius as to the diff from Vang and EQ2? I played EQ2 for awhile and since it's the same company and same general game theme....
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The only thing that eq2 and vanguard has in common is the fantasy aspect of both games, otherwise they are 2 totally different games, both of which i enjoyed very much, but they are not very much alike and thats not a bad thing. I can suggest you to a really great guild on the xeth server in vanguard they are ''the house of lordes'' they have a very nice website, ventrillo, and do weekly contests and drawings and lotteries and generally overall are a very nice bunch of folks who know a lot about vanguard. If ya run with them tell em doobyscoo said hello.
playing eq2 and two worlds
Well, I never played EQ or EQ2, nor have I ever read a real comparison between EQ, EQ2, and Vanguard, therefore I really cant say much about the specific differences.
However, the company creating Vanguard was Sigil, now closed down. It wasnt SOE, even if Sigil was run by some ex-SOE-employees.
Therefore - no, its not the "same" game. While Vanguard is now owned and run by the same company that created EQ and EQ2, this company is NOT its real, inital creator, only the guys who took over.
Vanguard has been WoW-ized a bit by SOE, but most importantly they have made the game much more stable and performant, and fiddled around with the economy to make it better.
The original company that developed Vanguard was Sigil. The head of Sigil was a person name Brad McQuid. This is where my history gets a bit fuzzy, but I believe Brad was the lead developer/producer for the original EQ?
correct, eq and vanguard were both mostly a fair amount of brads creation., and to the op, you may want to look at yer eq2 account, i do think you have a free 2 months of playtime and the newest expansion for free.
playing eq2 and two worlds
Yep, as I said, it was done by ex-SOE-employees. But it was made because they had new ideas how to make the game.
As an example, Diplomacy is AFAIK not contained in neither EQ nor EQ2 nor on any other MMO in existence, in the form Vanguard has it.
Vanguard is different then eq2 in a number of ways.
Vanguard has no instancing
vanguard has a diploymacy system where you do diplomacy and level up and get items similar to adventuring. Diplomacy plays a bit like a card game.
Vanguard crafting is Deep and complex and is also a complete game where you have quests, tasks, equipment and crafting stats.
Vanguard combat system is kinda an evolution from EQ2 and Wow. It has more choices with things like counter attacks, chains, defensive abilities, weakness system.
The feel of vanguard is huge and wide open.
In your gut vanguard feels more akin to eq then eq2 and I'm not sure why I feel that way.
Vanguard performnace is better
eq2 on the other hand is brighter colored,
eq2 has more and better quests,
eq2 has a lot more polish in the UI,
eq2 is probably more casual friendly,
eq2 has a neat system called collections where you find "shinies" which are like harvestable sparkles on the ground that give you all sorts of items that you collect a set of and turn into a collector for special items and experience.
EQ2 has a better character customization with customization features as you level and customization using an AA system.
Hope that helps.
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Ethion
Well, I played EQ for 6 years - 2 accounts, 16 alts, every class.
EQII only held my interest for two weeks, then I went back to EQ.
Vanguard has held my interest for 18 months, and I finally cancelled my 2 EQ accounts.
Vanguard is what most EQ players wanted EQII to be.
Its a different world, but it has the same secret ingredients that gave EQ the nickname "EverCrack".
hey everyone, Iam looking for a new MMORPG (new here doesn't mean brand new released title)...
Iam playing AoC atm, I've played WoW and LotRO. After reading some info, Iam interested in both Vanguard and EQ2.
the problem is I can't decide which one I will play (I can't play both since iam still playing AoC).
I never play Vanguard, EQ, and EQ2 before. So as a new player for both titles, which one is best for me ?
my criteria is :
* has end game raiding / grouping contents
* quests
* solo and casual friendly
* crafting
* PvP (not a pvp based game ex. AoC / WAR, but PvP battle ground is fine)
thanks in advance
Brad is a common thread through all 3 games actually...
Brad at verant was one of the people behind the design of eq.
Brad at sony was involved in designing eq2 although he left sony before it was done.
Brad at sigil designed vanguard.
So for all 3 you can see somewhat of an evolution.
eq2 introduced, combat abilities, group mobs, a separate crafting game, it added a guild faction/status/rep system, houseing, questing enhancements.
vg dropped the instancing going back to the eq non instanced approach, made combat more dynamic, further enhanced the crafting game, added a diplomatic style game, improved housing, added ships
But between all 3 games there are many common elements. VG's biggest challenge was a lot of stuff being done and running short on time.
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Ethion
Having only played EQ2 for about a month, and Vanguard even less, here is what I see as the most important difference... combat in EQ2 felt like a frantic puzzle platform game. What I mean by this, is that my character had so many timed skills that all I was doing in combat was watching a lot of buttons refresh, and smashing them until either myself or the mob died. And there were a lot of buttons to smash, with very ambiguous abilities that didnt seem to be much different than any other ability. Felt more like typing than combat.
I don't get that same sensation in Vanguard. It has been some time since I played EQ2, though, so things may have changed. I also thought the overall world of EQ2 just felt really fake. Vanguard world has more of an "organic" feel to it.
Perception is Reality.
correct, eq and vanguard were both mostly a fair amount of brads creation., and to the op, you may want to look at yer eq2 account, i do think you have a free 2 months of playtime and the newest expansion for free.
I think Vanguard and what happened to Sigil proves that Brad's role in EQ's success was always vastly overstated and overrated. He really turned out to be a bit of a blowhard who talked too much.
As far as the differences between EQ2 and Vanguard, they're innumerable. Not the least of which is that EQ2 is 100x more polished.
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correct, eq and vanguard were both mostly a fair amount of brads creation., and to the op, you may want to look at yer eq2 account, i do think you have a free 2 months of playtime and the newest expansion for free.
I think Vanguard and what happened to Sigil proves that Brad's role in EQ's success was always vastly overstated and overrated. He really turned out to be a bit of a blowhard who talked too much.
As far as the differences between EQ2 and Vanguard, they're innumerable. Not the least of which is that EQ2 is 100x more polished.
I should hope EQ2 is more polished it's been out for how long ? Anyways i just started EQ2 because sony has given me 4 free months sence iv'e been with vanguard.Figured i should try the last month of it ,sence they where kind enough to give it to me the free time.
I do agree EQ2 is more polished . i find the game really interesting , its not really my type of game. I prefer vanguard ,but damed if am not thinking about getting the station pass. I would get to see EQ2 and get some extra character slots i believe . which i need in vanguard , the game has made me an altaholic the classes are all pretty fun for me
I play vanguard every setting maxed at 1920x1200 no problems what so ever, EQ2 i have to tweak it down from the top settings to play smooth nothing wrong with that in my books the game looks awesome
I think the games are very similar. Vanguard is much more like EQ2 than EQ1. They are both quest driven. I think Vanguard has much nicer graphics and more hidden places to explore. EQ2 has much more end game content/raids (which are pretty lame now with RoK) EQ2 is probably a bigger world, but it doesnt seem that way cause the game is zoned, and alot of those zones are totally empty and worthless, where as Vanguard is all seemless.
I think games like WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, LOTRO are all very similar in design and gameplay. Mostly on the questing for levels system.
I am sure there is gonna be some nerd rage over that. But all of those games have more similarities to eachother than they do other games like old SWG EQ1 UO etc...
The people that like to compare Vanguard to EQ1 probably never played EQ1, cause that game was a serious ball breaker. The quest system wasn't ez mode with "?" book or rings floating conveniently over npc's heads. You would have to "hail" everyone and start asking them questions about their dialogue. There are probably still quests in that game that haven't been discovered. Secondly EQ1 was not quest driven when I played it (5 years ago or so). It was a grind fest game with raiding being the focal point. Which is pretty much the opposite of what Vanguard is.
They are two very similar games heading in opposite directions. EQ2 is getting worse and worse, the last expansion RoK degraded and dumbed this game down beyond levels I thought were possible. Not to mention it made obsolete alot of previous content. While Vanguard is getting better and better, it couldn't really get any worse, but they are definately on the upswing.
You are also dead on with the performance. EQ2 is as old as WoW is and it STILL runs like total crap on even the best of computers. While I can run Vanguard on Max settings with no probs. I mean if they haven't gotten the optimization fixed for EQ2 yet, there is no hope for it ever getting better I think. There is just no reason I should have to run the game on low settings to raid on a 4 year old game with a decent rig.
I can only hope Sony decides to really focus more resources on Vanguard and make alot of content for it, like an expansion or two. Because of the 2 games, Vanguard has much more upside.
EQ2 has instances. It has zones and loading screens. Your physical player house is shared with everyone, entering it creates an instance.
Vanguard is an open world. You build your house with cooperation of crafters on specific plots not shared by other players. You can build a ship if you wish. There are no loading screens or instances (that I know of). The crafting is more involved and complex. Theres a third realm of play called diplomacy that no other MMO has.
like someone else posted, Vanguard is what EQ players hoped EQ2 would be.
There is one gripe I have with the game. The Map. It is aweful. However, "Infomap" is a map MOD which is amazing. If you plan on playing VG pick up "Infomap 2.8"
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