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Death Penalty. Yea or Ney?
Smilex0311
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Sometimes I am in favor of the death penalty and think it should be imposed on many criminals.
-Copkillers, murderers 1st and 2nd, drunkdrivers, drugdealers, armed robbery, rapist, child molesters, child exploiters, treason, terrorists, traitors, and lifetime inmates who refuse corrective rehabilitation. Just a few off the top of my head....
From what I have read (can not provide a source) 1/3 of Americans have been in a correctional institution. I myself am 1 of 3 children in my family and one of my siblings has been to jail a few times. So for myself, the numbers are reasonably accurate.
Sometimes I am not in favor of it though, because of the many errors in the law enforcement and legal system. There are many people who are and have been incarcerated for life whom are innocent. Some people are on death row right now and should not be.
What options do we have? Shall we build more prisons or conduct more firing squads? Perhaps Exile?
If you are opposed to the death penalty please share your rational. If you are for the death penalty lets hear your rational and circumstances that would rate the penalty.
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I am opposed to it,
I don't think the government should have the ability to decide who lives and who dies, nor should the people.
The only time it is "ok" to kill a criminal, or anyone in my book is when they are attacking someone or in self defense.
I much prefer work camps where prisoners work to make goods for the public, rather than setting around eating free food in free lodging watching free cable.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Generally against the death penalty. It is extremely costly due to the vast appeal system that goes along with it. Also too often people are being found innocent later on of the crime they are in jail for.
Only instance where I can see it being used is in Military Justice for traitors. Found guilty of Treason by a Military Court Martial and I think the death penalty should be on the table. Generally speaking anything that gets you tried for treason is putting hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of people's lives at risk. And could actually be putting every single life of every American at risk. For a crime of that magnitude I can see the Death Penalty from a Military standpoint.
But for Civilian Justice. No thank you. Way too often the civilian justice system is flawed and broken.
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I support capital punishment for certain crimes. In short: if you act like a rabid animal, then you need to be put down. Into this category I put murderers, violent rapists, and child molesters.
I'll also add that I think we incarcerate people for minor crimes for far too long, and make crimes out of things that either shouldn't be criminal, or should only be misdemeanors. This has led to overcrowded prisons and an excessive burden on the system as a whole.
Death penalty should always be an option and should be there. However anyone who would want to use it shouldn't be presiding in the legal system anyways.
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Thats an issue I really dont care about. I guess you could say Im fine either way it goes.
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Kill them all.
Death to murderers.
Death to rapists.
Death to drunk drivers.
Death to anyone who uses any type of weapon(gun, knife, bat, etc.) while conducting a crime.
Just throw them in jail for life.
to play devil's advocate: it cost $$$$$$$ to keep people in jail for life.
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I don't know about the death penalty for drunk driving (unless its like robbery and drunk driving, then maybe) or drug dealing (cuz ALOT of people do that, if we kill em all we lose alot of ppl lol), but for the rest, yea, i can understand.
to play devil's advocate: it cost $$$$$$$ to keep people in jail for life.
Boo hoo few dollars down the drain
Its not like the US can't afford it.
to play devil's advocate: it cost $$$$$$$ to keep people in jail for life.
Boo hoo few dollars down the drain
Its not like the US can't afford it.
It costs the US 22,650 dollars per year to house an inmate.
US has 2,186,230 prisoners (with a one year or more sentence)
thats 49,518,109,500
almost 50 billion dollars a year.
Per every 10 years of this to cover the prison population is equilivant of 11.5 years of war in Iraq and occupation of Afghanistan put together.
so.....500 billion a decade, 1 trillion in the next 7 seven years is a few dollars to you?
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People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
to play devil's advocate: it cost $$$$$$$ to keep people in jail for life.
Boo hoo few dollars down the drain
Its not like the US can't afford it.
Yay death penalty, Go death penalty! It is outrageously expensive to execute criminals, but that's because of the endless appeal process. I think death row inmates should be limited to one state appeal and if that fails, be allowed one federal appeal and that's it. If they lose their federal appeal, then it's off with their heads (bad choice of words, this isn't France). But that will never happen considering trial lawyers are such a powerful lobby in the US and they have Democrats in their back pocket.
As to your point Wolfenpride, you make it sound as though the United States has money to burn. Don't forget, that's your tax dollars they are spending. Your state taxes to house someone in one of your state prisons and your federal taxes to house someone in federal prisons. You shouldn't be so dissmissive of the cost knowing that it is coming out of your pocket.
People have a problem with thinking life is too precious to waste..
people are flies on a horse's ass, there will ALWAYS be those that want to bite, those that want to get ahead in life and steal, always people who will kill others for personal gain, always people who will take matters into their own hands.
People are always going to be wicked.
people will always feel their life is more important than others'
people have this feeling that freedom means that they can make a mess and someone else will have to clean it up
life is a fragile thread one pandemic can so easily end
thus said, sling a couple of child rapists by their slinky little necks on a tall oak tree and they will stop doing it.
stop this humane death bullshit
give them a .40 caliber round to the back of the head.
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Iv only thought 1 thing should be giving the death penealty and thats anything considerd murder. Partly i feel this way is cause i think that some punishments should be a eye for a eye, while others arnt. For example i believe punishment for doing drugs are so overpunished its insane, obviously hard drugs i can understand but for things like weed are overdone.
Keep in mind for me im a athiest and you may think why am i tossing this around, for a punishment since death is highly based on beliefs , for me there is not afterlife, death is then a cop out of a punishment.
So for me i dont believe in it unless its a eye for a eye situation.
Child molesters i always though dont get punished enough i has a previouse post il just give it a short quote if ya want a idea .
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See a issue like this is highly dependent on your outlook of it.
I had a discussion with this with a few friends of mine about this whole thing, Now we all came to the agreement that Child molestation / rape should be delt with harshly and isnt something that should be a slap on the wrist.
Another thing is when i speak of child rape or molestation or w/e im talking young, 13 and below kinda thing, not any of this He was 17 and she was 30 and she had sex with a student crap, no not that.
The next thing was, each case is highly situational with things like i mentioned aboved, alot has to be taken into consideration with these type of cases, its not a , he clearly murderd this person this is the punishment.
Now on the next thing i can understand is that looking at it consitionaly , yes its the law ect. But not looking at it from a emotional stand point defeats alot. Raping a child is extremly emotional issues/ physical(depends) but most would agree if a little girl was raped then it would be a tramatizing event possibly hindering her whole life or a extended period of time.
And contiueing with this, is another thing i atleast considerd is its a child VS adult. child is w/e age not above 14(for the sake of arguement) and the adult is 18+(usualy alot older) will say for this arguement we will use 40. Ok now a child who is raped is tramatized for life, causing issues with everything or huge things atleast. while the other person could of have a perfectly normal life till this. In short what im aiming at is the child has a whole life to deal with this issue, one they may never get over or will struggle with, while the person who did the punishment, there punishment will be shortend due to they have a shorter life to live(considering they lived a good portion of it) so if my eyes that doesnt seem fair, oh live in prison at 40-50 is not as harsh then if it was 12.
Of course while discussing this i made a joke how the person who was put in prison should have some burly guy doing it to him who enjoys it, they laughed and said no you cant have that, and i responded with we are in a recession and we need jobs so i dont want to hear it.
Anyway that was my point, i think something harsher needs to be in place of the sitation and i dont think the death penilty is harsh enough if anything, some crimes need good punihsment, death is to easy atleast in the eyes of me(im athiest)"
From a past post
better yet remove their hands, feet, teeth, and tongue and let them go free
i don't think you can kill a man with your nubs now can you?
also they can't chew food or speak anymore
removing their eyes would be optional
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There is far too much corruption in the criminal justice system to put people to death at the rate we do. That doesn't mean that there aren't crimes I think are worthy of the death penalty, just that I don't have enough faith in the system to be 100% sure that a guilty person is being executed every time. Then again, in cases such as Brian Nichols, where the exidence is overwhelming, the death penalty should have been used 3 years ago.
I guess I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, much like the OP does.
to play devil's advocate: it cost $$$$$$$ to keep people in jail for life.
Boo hoo few dollars down the drain
Its not like the US can't afford it.
Have you noticed the Economy and gasoline costs lately in the US? We (the US taxpayers) cant affrod much anymore...let alone people living in jail for 40 years.
So basically kill everyone that does a serious crime is what your trying to say right? That is a pretty large list you have there.
Im really uncertain of the death penalty because from one perspective you can say your just as bad as the offender by killing someone and 2 wrongs dont make a right and all that. But then again the death penalty is needed when a serial killer is in question (we shouldnt label all serial killers as insane, yes they have problems but not all are clinically insane imo) or when someone commits treason mainly because treason is the only crime which is mentioned in the constitution as punishable by death and i totally agree with that.
Yes its a big list. And that wont solve every problem in America either, however at least I could be reassured that if someone takes me out that my vengeance will be delivered. Because if i am gunned down in an armed robbery, you can bet my final wish is for that SOB to die. I dont care if he/she has mental problems or been abused through childhood, or is a junkie.
Lets imagine if the death penalty was mandatory for murder in 1st and 2nd degree. 1 appeal. no more than 1 year on death row. Do you think it would have any impact on society?
I favor a death penalty for bloodthirsty savages who want to turn as many crimes as possible into capital crimes.
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more death penalty will reduce the crime rate, it work in many country. and i think i should just use a bullet rather than injection and electrocution it a much cheaper and faster process
I'm generally against it but it wouldn't be too bad for extreme circumstances.
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That made me think of an execution that happened in the US Military back int he late 40s.
The US had caught some Islamic extremist terrorist in their base near the outskirts of the Mediterrean (where, I am not sure).
Anyways, through intensive negiotations, the US military found out that these terrorist were planning on destroying the base and to kill the US and Egyptian ambassador that was about to visit.
There were six terrorists. They lined up all six and tied them against various poles and then took rounds of ammunition and coated them with pig fat (they made sure they dead this in front of the terrorist). The US proceeded to execute 5 terrorists and let the last one go.
The last one ran away and told his superiors what the US had done. That base was not attacked nor threatened for the rest of the base's life.
They coated the bullets with pigs fat because terrorists believe they will go to heaven and have many virgins to sleep with if they die under the rules of jihad (holy war). However, if they die while sinning against Allah, no amount of jihad would save them. The pig fat is extremely against the Koran and they had the pig fat in them. They're belief is whether they were forced to touch it is the same as willingly touching it.
The last one they let go believed that five of his comrades went straight to hell because of the pig fat. The commander told the last terrorist that he had ordered all of his men to coat all ammunition, grenades, mines, etc with pig's fat so no matter how hard the terrorists try they will always end up in hell if killed by US forces.
A little off topic but the bullet execution made me think of that.
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I'm against it. A human should never be given the ability to decide whether or not another human should be killed or not. Even if the deciding human is "perfect" mistakes will be done; and most humans aren't "perfect". I personally believe that every human can change to the better; my opinion is therefore that every criminal should be given the chance to better themselves and go to a therapist. Those deciding not to better themselves can be put in jail, although that should hopefully be quite few...
If u r gonna enforce death penalty to reduce the cost of housing inmates in jails u might as well get rid of that human way of killing people with those syringes. They cost too much. Take a sledge hammer and bash his head to the ground. In fact let the family of the person that got murdered do it. U want revenge? there's your chance.