the Closed Beta ppl were under NDA to the very last day. That alone spoke volums about how they KNEW in what incomplete and bad state AoC is.
You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.
Not all NDAs are actually enforced. Aion has an NDA, but its' not enforced. NCsoft has nothing to hide about that game, there's videos all over the place.
SOOOOO... because they actually ENFORCE the NDA that EVERYONE agreed to like MOST other games then they suck...
FYI NCSoft may not be enforcing the NDA on Aion, but they CERTAINLY have on other games like GW
Beta.... subject to change ring a bell? Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? especially considering all the moaning on how fast it is to level up? Too much Drama! It was beta
avery every hater is convinced that aoc is a big fat global scheme set up by the evil ppl over at fc, every hater is convinced only a handful of people play the game since they left it and they are so almighty.. every hater is convinced that fc will go belly up (this made me laugh)
(this is to the haters/bashers): do you honestly think aoc failed? the most succesfull mmo (in salesnumbers yes.. sales..) after WoW, BUT u can truely call it a succes if the game keeps selling and keeps attracting subs. in a few months we will find out who was right, i will admit defeat if the game goes down and fc goes belly up. will you admit yours if fc survives?
AoC won't totally fail, and Funcom probably won't go belly up. But AoC will be no more successful than Anarchy Online is now. And it took 7 years after release for AO to get where it's at.
QFT.
It needed to be in bold Zorvan. This is exactly what will happen with AoC. AoC won't fail, FC will survive, but not a success by any stretch of the word. Just mediocre, along with it's counterpart AO.
1500 armor pieces leg, chest, arm, wrist, waist, boots, gloves, helm, neck 1500/ 9 = 166 sets cloth, light, medium, heavy, full plate 166/ 5 = 33 different set in each class I play an asassin and I can say there are more then 33 different clothing sets.
Your argument would be fine if they had said there would be "1500 armor pieces". Unfortunately they said there would be "1500 armor sets" (and emphasised that it was sets, and not pieces), so your argument kinda falls on its ass.
I am not going to claim that they lied - maybe there are 1500 armor sets in the game. I don't know - I haven't seen them. But the OP is spot on - they used the Gamespot beta to make people think this is what they would see on release, and it very blatantly wasn't. That is rather underhand, misleading, some might say dishonest, behaviour.
Then again, they also said that at release we would have DX10 and massive sieges with 100s of players onscreen at once, and that turned out to be a lie too.
I saw the video, he said pieces. I don't care what you thought in beta, if you want to wear that set; level up and get it. DX10 wasn't something they promised at launch and I agree the siege was something they talked about. I hear they are adding it in later next month, oh my god you had to wait for it QQ, grow up.
Actually Avery said that he cleared this with the devs and it was sets no pieces. Sets being 4-8 pieces each.
the Closed Beta ppl were under NDA to the very last day. That alone spoke volums about how they KNEW in what incomplete and bad state AoC is.
You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.
No, as a matter of fact few betas were until the very last day. Most betas opened prior to launch or where loosened.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Well, it is simply Funcom lied. They lied there were 1500 armor pieces, they lied with the video presentations, they mislead us giving level 20 armor diversity which is NOT there, they lied about the sieges. Oh and btw, 90% of the MAGICAL speed acceleration after launch was caused by taking out the tree and plant animations for them game! Gawd, after SOE I never thought I found a MMO company who would lie MORE, but apparently with Funcom they found their master. If you dont mind being lied to, thats your right, we live in a free society where we can chose not to be upset when being lied to, just as I AM upset when someone lies me flat in the face. It's all Vanguardian promises not fulfilled again. If you find being lied to ok, thats your problem. I dont take such behavior easily. I dont lie to others and I expect not to be lied to in return, ESPECIALLY when it comes to buying a product. Its not that I hate AoC, I dont love it either, what I HATE is, being LIED TO to buy a product. Whats not to understand with that?.
Ignoring the drama & bad mathematics about armor sets, just a couple of minor points.
Using block capitals for terms like 'SOE' & 'MMO' is fine because they are acronyms. Interestingly though you don't seem to put 'OK' in block capitals.
Using block capitals on normal english words like 'NOT, 'MAGICAL', 'MORE', 'AM', 'ESPECIALLY', 'HATE', 'LIED' & 'TO' in order to simulate that you are actually shouting as you type is just plain annoying.
Whilst you have every right to your opinion, other people have every right to disagree. If you actually want to convince others that your opinions are correct rather than just rant about them, reasoned logical arguments tend to work better than block capital temper tantrums.
In my opinion of course.
Is it any different than ignoring the points someone makes and instead picking apart their grammar and posting style?
Debate the points and not the person.
Disliking the unnecessary use of block capitals for emotional effect has as little to do with criticising grammar as your comment about 'debate the points & not the person' has to do with my post.
There weren't any real points to debate or even ignore as he doesn't attempt to form rational arguments, just use lots of emotional outbursts & make unsubstantiated claims.
In his the entire rant, aside from comments about how upset he was, there were only two actual attempts at conveying information. Firstly a claim about missing armour which many other posters have responded to and secondly an extreme unsubstantiated claim about plant animation that even if it had any truth to it was irrelevant.
"Debate the points and not the person" indeed.
Well if he only made two valid points and they were already addressed, then why did you even bother to post?
I see several valid points he makes and a few more than can be implied. Did Funcom lie? It sure sounds like it. Did Funcom take steps to hide the state of the game from prospective buyers. Again it sure seems like it. Are there many promised aspects of the game missing? It sure seems like it. Did Funcom create open beta armor sets that are not available at that level in live game play to create a false apperance? It sure seems like it. I have no idea about the tree/plant animation comments to be fully honest, but did they?
I'm sure you could have taken a few seconds to dispell his points if you had chosen. At least then you would have addressed his issues instead of just his posting style.
The reason I bothered to post was that like many other people who actually enjoy the game I am tired of block capital hysterical mud slinging masquerading as an argument. The reason I addressed his posting style rather than his argument is that it is extremely annoying & once you stripped away the drama there really wasn't much else left.
Did Funcom purposefully mislead people in the way described? I seriously doubt it. Beta tests are not respresentative of the released game so it doesn't matter whether Funcom issued all players with sequinned ballgowns at the end, unless you can prove that they definitively said that this was what would be in the game it is irrelevant.
Did Funcom lie? As any politician will tell you, it all depends on exactly how the original question was phrased, but I certainly don't feel like I was lied to as I didn't spend the weeks before launch building a check list of all the promised features. I just saw enough of the game to know that I was interested enough to try it out for myself. When I finally did get to play the game, whilst I could see quite a few things that were still 'rough around the edges', I enjoyed it enough to keep playing & still do.
To read all this perpetual lynch mob hysteria you would think that Funcom had been swindling old people out of their life savings rather than just selling fairly inexpensive video games.
It's been over a month now, why don't the people who didn't like the game just find something else to complain about rather than behaving like they are on a mission to protect the planet or something?
So when you are out of arguments you attack the form. Wonderful. Why not attack my grammar as well? Or my hairstyle? Not that it matters, but hey, it sure makes a funny reply.
It is a pity if I offended your Vulcan sense for sobriety, but gawd, I if I would make DRAMA, boy you would NOTICE the DIFFERENCE, trust me! THIS is not drama, given the scope *I* can imagine this is serious, rational, calm approach. The day I make drama you will FEEL the difference, believe it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
So when you are out of arguments you attack the form. Wonderful. Why not attack my grammar as well? Or my hairstyle? Not that it matters, but hey, it sure makes a funny reply. It is a pity if I offended your Vulcan sense for sobriety, but gawd, I if I would make DRAMA, boy you would NOTICE the DIFFERENCE, trust me! THIS is not drama, given the scope *I* can imagine this is serious, rational, calm approach. The day I make drama you will FEEL the difference, believe it.
"Believe it", now you sound like Naruto
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
the Closed Beta ppl were under NDA to the very last day. That alone spoke volums about how they KNEW in what incomplete and bad state AoC is.
You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.
No, as a matter of fact few betas were until the very last day. Most betas opened prior to launch or where loosened.
The reason I bothered to post was that like many other people who actually enjoy the game I am tired of block capital hysterical mud slinging masquerading as an argument. The reason I addressed his posting style rather than his argument is that it is extremely annoying & once you stripped away the drama there really wasn't much else left. Did Funcom purposefully mislead people in the way described? I seriously doubt it. Beta tests are not respresentative of the released game so it doesn't matter whether Funcom issued all players with sequinned ballgowns at the end, unless you can prove that they definitively said that this was what would be in the game it is irrelevant. Did Funcom lie? As any politician will tell you, it all depends on exactly how the original question was phrased, but I certainly don't feel like I was lied to as I didn't spend the weeks before launch building a check list of all the promised features. I just saw enough of the game to know that I was interested enough to try it out for myself. When I finally did get to play the game, whilst I could see quite a few things that were still 'rough around the edges', I enjoyed it enough to keep playing & still do.
Presenting armor set at the end of beta (level 20) and implying that this would be attainable at that level (unless they specifically mentioned that this armor is NOT attainable at 20) may not be lying, but definitely misleading. In my book, thats just as bad as lying. You will never get a 100% proof of them lying, unless it goes into court. Of course it will never happen. Its pointless to prove who is lying because everybody has different expectations. For some, FC did not mislead and they are satisfied with what they have. For others, they misled and they are angry that they spent money buying product not meeting their satisfaction criteria.
To read all this perpetual lynch mob hysteria you would think that Funcom had been swindling old people out of their life savings rather than just selling fairly inexpensive video games.
I don't find criticism of a game as a hysteria. If someone has an opinion of a game, but has valid arguments/reasons for it, then that person has all the rights to post his thoughts. If you were right, then any negative post to any game would be considered as a hysteria and nobody would post anything bad about anything. As long as there is a valid argument behind your post, its just as valid as anybody else's post.
It's been over a month now, why don't the people who didn't like the game just find something else to complain about rather than behaving like they are on a mission to protect the planet or something?
Well, if somebody complains elsewhere, then someone in that elsewhere would post something what you did and then that person has to come here... or elsewhere elsewhere.
Personally, I tried AoC in beta. I haven't played long or got far in-game - I found it to be bland and uninteresting. however, post like OP interest me a lot because when I read posts like "OMG THIS GAME RULZ !!11" I like to hear the other side for their views. I found OP's post to be valid and informative.
The reason I bothered to post was that like many other people who actually enjoy the game I am tired of block capital hysterical mud slinging masquerading as an argument. The reason I addressed his posting style rather than his argument is that it is extremely annoying & once you stripped away the drama there really wasn't much else left. Did Funcom purposefully mislead people in the way described? I seriously doubt it. Beta tests are not respresentative of the released game so it doesn't matter whether Funcom issued all players with sequinned ballgowns at the end, unless you can prove that they definitively said that this was what would be in the game it is irrelevant. Did Funcom lie? As any politician will tell you, it all depends on exactly how the original question was phrased, but I certainly don't feel like I was lied to as I didn't spend the weeks before launch building a check list of all the promised features. I just saw enough of the game to know that I was interested enough to try it out for myself. When I finally did get to play the game, whilst I could see quite a few things that were still 'rough around the edges', I enjoyed it enough to keep playing & still do.
Presenting armor set at the end of beta (level 20) and implying that this would be attainable at that level (unless they specifically mentioned that this armor is NOT attainable at 20) may not be lying, but definitely misleading. In my book, thats just as bad as lying. You will never get a 100% proof of them lying, unless it goes into court. Of course it will never happen. Its pointless to prove who is lying because everybody has different expectations. For some, FC did not mislead and they are satisfied with what they have. For others, they misled and they are angry that they spent money buying product not meeting their satisfaction criteria.
To read all this perpetual lynch mob hysteria you would think that Funcom had been swindling old people out of their life savings rather than just selling fairly inexpensive video games. I don't find criticism of a game as a hysteria. If someone has an opinion of a game, but has valid arguments/reasons for it, then that person has all the rights to post his thoughts. If you were right, then any negative post to any game would be considered as a hysteria and nobody would post anything bad about anything. As long as there is a valid argument behind your post, its just as valid as anybody else's post. It's been over a month now, why don't the people who didn't like the game just find something else to complain about rather than behaving like they are on a mission to protect the planet or something? Well, if somebody complains elsewhere, then someone in that elsewhere would post something what you did and then that person has to come here... or elsewhere elsewhere.
Personally, I tried AoC in beta. I haven't played long or got far in-game - I found it to be bland and uninteresting. however, post like OP interest me a lot because when I read posts like "OMG THIS GAME RULZ !!11" I like to hear the other side for their views. I found OP's post to be valid and informative.
I agree with you entirely that structured criticism isn't hysteria & that everyone has a perfect right to post their views. I have read quite a few very well written negative posts & have even replied to some saying that I agreed with them.
Unfortunately there isn't a valid argument behind quite a lot of the negative posts.
Many negative posts are just rambling expressions of personal preference, where the authors seem to think that anyone that doesn't share their preference is either stupid or a lapdog of Funcom.
Many negative posts don't attempt to argue anything and are just offensive 'Beavis & Butthead' remarks.
Far too many posts are some sort of sick wish fulfilment where claims are made that AoC is Failing, Funcom are going bankrupt, people are burning boxes in the streets etc etc.
There are still a lot of posts about Beta when the majority of players didn't participate or otherwise base their purchase of the game on it. Personally, I couldn't care less about the Beta.
I am sorry you disliked the game, everyone's preferences are different & I respect yours.
The problem with tedious posts on these boards aren't 'Fanboi' posts like 'OMG THIS GAME RULEZ" as you implied, but endless 'Hateboi' ones more like 'OMG THIS GAME SUKZ".
Most things well structured & argued are worth reading, but sadly they appear to be in short supply.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Originally posted by LondonMagus Unfortunately there isn't a valid argument behind quite a lot of the negative posts. Many negative posts are just rambling expressions of personal preference, where the authors don't seem to think that anyone that doesn't share their preference is either stupid or a lapdog of Funcom. Many negative posts don't attempt to argue anything and are just offensive 'Beavis & Butthead' remarks.
You have to admit, a lot of the posts defending the game are equally silly. This is the way people are on the internet.. I think its probably futile to try to make people change this behaviour.
There is a reason people say 'do not feed the trolls'.
Originally posted by LondonMagus Unfortunately there isn't a valid argument behind quite a lot of the negative posts. Many negative posts are just rambling expressions of personal preference, where the authors don't seem to think that anyone that doesn't share their preference is either stupid or a lapdog of Funcom. Many negative posts don't attempt to argue anything and are just offensive 'Beavis & Butthead' remarks.
You have to admit, a lot of the posts defending the game are equally silly. This is the way people are on the internet.. I think its probably futile to try to make people change this behaviour.
There is a reason people say 'do not feed the trolls'.
Yes I agree, many of the defending posts are equally silly but over last couple of weeks particularly, the majority of defensive posts seem to have been made by people who like myself are just plain bored with seeing the endless streams of hate filled drivel.
The problem with not feeding the trolls is that at this point they are seriously undermining the AoC boards here, so aside from not bothering with MMORPG at all, what choice do we have?
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
As I recall WoW needed a few months to be stable. And I recall to have left WoW for a few months because they couldnt solve lag problem for a month. At the end of a month away from WoW, I solved my lag problem by myself ( I remember so long Blizzard customs service blaming our ISP, they admitted bad routering after a year).
Age of Conan definetly needs that time as well. Yeah we cry, yeah we flame. But there will be still a lot who will play, and Funcom will use their money to improve the game out of beta status. So far I didn't see any game who didn't have a bad start. I am sure things will become better for AoC as well. However...
However there is something not right with Funcom. They don't listen to the bug reports, but are trying to listen to the whiners. And they change things according to whiners. That's wrong. You cannot spoil a baby by giving a sugar each time she cries, at the end she will cry just to get attention.
Also I worry about the `bug fixes`. 9th patch today, still main bugs are not fixed. They simply cannot fix it. But they keep giving false comments. `We will fix it this wednesay`. That was told by someone high from Funcom. And...? The bug is not fixed, there is not even a comment about it !!!
Age of Conan is a good game, and has lots of potential. But right now it doesn't deserve the time I spend/waste. I am a casual player. After a tiring workday I cannot afford to betatest a broken patch which ruins my entire night.
See you Age of Conan and all Conan fanboys who will tell `You will not be missed`. Hopefully we can meet in 6 monthes when/if the bugs are fixed.
(Why so much whining? Cause I wanted to play AoC and relax tonight. But Funcom screwed something again, and game kept crushing for everyone in the party whenever we entered a fight.)
Yes I agree, many of the defending posts are equally silly but over last couple of weeks particularly, the majority of defensive posts seem to have been made by people who like myself are just plain bored with seeing the endless streams of hate filled drivel. The problem with not feeding the trolls is that at this point they are seriously undermining the AoC boards here, so aside from not bothering with MMORPG at all, what choice do we have?
I agree that a response of some form must be made - the haters want to make sure nobody else buys a game they believe is flawed. You want to encourage people to buy a game you think is good.
My advice, is respond with that in mind. Don't bother telling the hater to shut up or to leave the boards etc.. thats futile and plus it makes you look like an unreasonable fanboy to those potential buyers. Respond in such a way that you are addressing the potential viewers of the hate thread and stick to facts. Dismissing the hater as a troll/hater out of hand, even if you know you are justified, actually makes it look (to an outsider) like the hater has a point and it gives the impression that you are in denial.
Yes I agree, many of the defending posts are equally silly but over last couple of weeks particularly, the majority of defensive posts seem to have been made by people who like myself are just plain bored with seeing the endless streams of hate filled drivel. The problem with not feeding the trolls is that at this point they are seriously undermining the AoC boards here, so aside from not bothering with MMORPG at all, what choice do we have?
I agree that a response of some form must be made - the haters want to make sure nobody else buys a game they believe is flawed. You want to encourage people to buy a game you think is good.
My advice, is respond with that in mind. Don't bother telling the hater to shut up or to leave the boards etc.. thats futile and plus it makes you look like an unreasonable fanboy to those potential buyers. Respond in such a way that you are addressing the potential viewers of the hate thread and stick to facts. Dismissing the hater as a troll/hater out of hand, even if you know you are justified, actually makes it look (to an outsider) like the hater has a point and it gives the impression that you are in denial.
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You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.
Not all NDAs are actually enforced. Aion has an NDA, but its' not enforced. NCsoft has nothing to hide about that game, there's videos all over the place.
SOOOOO... because they actually ENFORCE the NDA that EVERYONE agreed to like MOST other games then they suck...
FYI NCSoft may not be enforcing the NDA on Aion, but they CERTAINLY have on other games like GW
avery every hater is convinced that aoc is a big fat global scheme set up by the evil ppl over at fc, every hater is convinced only a handful of people play the game since they left it and they are so almighty.. every hater is convinced that fc will go belly up (this made me laugh)
(this is to the haters/bashers): do you honestly think aoc failed? the most succesfull mmo (in salesnumbers yes.. sales..) after WoW, BUT u can truely call it a succes if the game keeps selling and keeps attracting subs. in a few months we will find out who was right, i will admit defeat if the game goes down and fc goes belly up. will you admit yours if fc survives?
AoC won't totally fail, and Funcom probably won't go belly up. But AoC will be no more successful than Anarchy Online is now. And it took 7 years after release for AO to get where it's at.
QFT.
It needed to be in bold Zorvan. This is exactly what will happen with AoC. AoC won't fail, FC will survive, but not a success by any stretch of the word. Just mediocre, along with it's counterpart AO.
Your argument would be fine if they had said there would be "1500 armor pieces". Unfortunately they said there would be "1500 armor sets" (and emphasised that it was sets, and not pieces), so your argument kinda falls on its ass.
I am not going to claim that they lied - maybe there are 1500 armor sets in the game. I don't know - I haven't seen them. But the OP is spot on - they used the Gamespot beta to make people think this is what they would see on release, and it very blatantly wasn't. That is rather underhand, misleading, some might say dishonest, behaviour.
Then again, they also said that at release we would have DX10 and massive sieges with 100s of players onscreen at once, and that turned out to be a lie too.
I saw the video, he said pieces. I don't care what you thought in beta, if you want to wear that set; level up and get it. DX10 wasn't something they promised at launch and I agree the siege was something they talked about. I hear they are adding it in later next month, oh my god you had to wait for it QQ, grow up.
Actually Avery said that he cleared this with the devs and it was sets no pieces. Sets being 4-8 pieces each.
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You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.
No, as a matter of fact few betas were until the very last day. Most betas opened prior to launch or where loosened.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Ignoring the drama & bad mathematics about armor sets, just a couple of minor points.
Using block capitals for terms like 'SOE' & 'MMO' is fine because they are acronyms. Interestingly though you don't seem to put 'OK' in block capitals.
Using block capitals on normal english words like 'NOT, 'MAGICAL', 'MORE', 'AM', 'ESPECIALLY', 'HATE', 'LIED' & 'TO' in order to simulate that you are actually shouting as you type is just plain annoying.
Whilst you have every right to your opinion, other people have every right to disagree. If you actually want to convince others that your opinions are correct rather than just rant about them, reasoned logical arguments tend to work better than block capital temper tantrums.
In my opinion of course.
Is it any different than ignoring the points someone makes and instead picking apart their grammar and posting style?
Debate the points and not the person.
Disliking the unnecessary use of block capitals for emotional effect has as little to do with criticising grammar as your comment about 'debate the points & not the person' has to do with my post.
There weren't any real points to debate or even ignore as he doesn't attempt to form rational arguments, just use lots of emotional outbursts & make unsubstantiated claims.
In his the entire rant, aside from comments about how upset he was, there were only two actual attempts at conveying information. Firstly a claim about missing armour which many other posters have responded to and secondly an extreme unsubstantiated claim about plant animation that even if it had any truth to it was irrelevant.
"Debate the points and not the person" indeed.
Well if he only made two valid points and they were already addressed, then why did you even bother to post?
I see several valid points he makes and a few more than can be implied. Did Funcom lie? It sure sounds like it. Did Funcom take steps to hide the state of the game from prospective buyers. Again it sure seems like it. Are there many promised aspects of the game missing? It sure seems like it. Did Funcom create open beta armor sets that are not available at that level in live game play to create a false apperance? It sure seems like it. I have no idea about the tree/plant animation comments to be fully honest, but did they?
I'm sure you could have taken a few seconds to dispell his points if you had chosen. At least then you would have addressed his issues instead of just his posting style.
The reason I bothered to post was that like many other people who actually enjoy the game I am tired of block capital hysterical mud slinging masquerading as an argument. The reason I addressed his posting style rather than his argument is that it is extremely annoying & once you stripped away the drama there really wasn't much else left.
Did Funcom purposefully mislead people in the way described? I seriously doubt it. Beta tests are not respresentative of the released game so it doesn't matter whether Funcom issued all players with sequinned ballgowns at the end, unless you can prove that they definitively said that this was what would be in the game it is irrelevant.
Did Funcom lie? As any politician will tell you, it all depends on exactly how the original question was phrased, but I certainly don't feel like I was lied to as I didn't spend the weeks before launch building a check list of all the promised features. I just saw enough of the game to know that I was interested enough to try it out for myself. When I finally did get to play the game, whilst I could see quite a few things that were still 'rough around the edges', I enjoyed it enough to keep playing & still do.
To read all this perpetual lynch mob hysteria you would think that Funcom had been swindling old people out of their life savings rather than just selling fairly inexpensive video games.
It's been over a month now, why don't the people who didn't like the game just find something else to complain about rather than behaving like they are on a mission to protect the planet or something?
So when you are out of arguments you attack the form. Wonderful. Why not attack my grammar as well? Or my hairstyle? Not that it matters, but hey, it sure makes a funny reply.
It is a pity if I offended your Vulcan sense for sobriety, but gawd, I if I would make DRAMA, boy you would NOTICE the DIFFERENCE, trust me! THIS is not drama, given the scope *I* can imagine this is serious, rational, calm approach. The day I make drama you will FEEL the difference, believe it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
"Believe it", now you sound like Naruto
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.
No, as a matter of fact few betas were until the very last day. Most betas opened prior to launch or where loosened.
Open betas are a recent trend.
Personally, I tried AoC in beta. I haven't played long or got far in-game - I found it to be bland and uninteresting. however, post like OP interest me a lot because when I read posts like "OMG THIS GAME RULZ !!11" I like to hear the other side for their views. I found OP's post to be valid and informative.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Personally, I tried AoC in beta. I haven't played long or got far in-game - I found it to be bland and uninteresting. however, post like OP interest me a lot because when I read posts like "OMG THIS GAME RULZ !!11" I like to hear the other side for their views. I found OP's post to be valid and informative.
I agree with you entirely that structured criticism isn't hysteria & that everyone has a perfect right to post their views. I have read quite a few very well written negative posts & have even replied to some saying that I agreed with them.
Unfortunately there isn't a valid argument behind quite a lot of the negative posts.
Many negative posts are just rambling expressions of personal preference, where the authors seem to think that anyone that doesn't share their preference is either stupid or a lapdog of Funcom.
Many negative posts don't attempt to argue anything and are just offensive 'Beavis & Butthead' remarks.
Far too many posts are some sort of sick wish fulfilment where claims are made that AoC is Failing, Funcom are going bankrupt, people are burning boxes in the streets etc etc.
There are still a lot of posts about Beta when the majority of players didn't participate or otherwise base their purchase of the game on it. Personally, I couldn't care less about the Beta.
I am sorry you disliked the game, everyone's preferences are different & I respect yours.
The problem with tedious posts on these boards aren't 'Fanboi' posts like 'OMG THIS GAME RULEZ" as you implied, but endless 'Hateboi' ones more like 'OMG THIS GAME SUKZ".
Most things well structured & argued are worth reading, but sadly they appear to be in short supply.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
You have to admit, a lot of the posts defending the game are equally silly. This is the way people are on the internet.. I think its probably futile to try to make people change this behaviour.
There is a reason people say 'do not feed the trolls'.
OH NOES THE ARMORS DONT LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME DAMN IM GONNA CANCEL MY ACCOUNT NOW BECAUSE OF THAT DAMN IT!!!! I HAVE NO LIFE LIKE THE OP
You have to admit, a lot of the posts defending the game are equally silly. This is the way people are on the internet.. I think its probably futile to try to make people change this behaviour.
There is a reason people say 'do not feed the trolls'.
Yes I agree, many of the defending posts are equally silly but over last couple of weeks particularly, the majority of defensive posts seem to have been made by people who like myself are just plain bored with seeing the endless streams of hate filled drivel.
The problem with not feeding the trolls is that at this point they are seriously undermining the AoC boards here, so aside from not bothering with MMORPG at all, what choice do we have?
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
As I recall WoW needed a few months to be stable. And I recall to have left WoW for a few months because they couldnt solve lag problem for a month. At the end of a month away from WoW, I solved my lag problem by myself ( I remember so long Blizzard customs service blaming our ISP, they admitted bad routering after a year).
Age of Conan definetly needs that time as well. Yeah we cry, yeah we flame. But there will be still a lot who will play, and Funcom will use their money to improve the game out of beta status. So far I didn't see any game who didn't have a bad start. I am sure things will become better for AoC as well. However...
However there is something not right with Funcom. They don't listen to the bug reports, but are trying to listen to the whiners. And they change things according to whiners. That's wrong. You cannot spoil a baby by giving a sugar each time she cries, at the end she will cry just to get attention.
Also I worry about the `bug fixes`. 9th patch today, still main bugs are not fixed. They simply cannot fix it. But they keep giving false comments. `We will fix it this wednesay`. That was told by someone high from Funcom. And...? The bug is not fixed, there is not even a comment about it !!!
Age of Conan is a good game, and has lots of potential. But right now it doesn't deserve the time I spend/waste. I am a casual player. After a tiring workday I cannot afford to betatest a broken patch which ruins my entire night.
See you Age of Conan and all Conan fanboys who will tell `You will not be missed`. Hopefully we can meet in 6 monthes when/if the bugs are fixed.
(Why so much whining? Cause I wanted to play AoC and relax tonight. But Funcom screwed something again, and game kept crushing for everyone in the party whenever we entered a fight.)
I agree that a response of some form must be made - the haters want to make sure nobody else buys a game they believe is flawed. You want to encourage people to buy a game you think is good.
My advice, is respond with that in mind. Don't bother telling the hater to shut up or to leave the boards etc.. thats futile and plus it makes you look like an unreasonable fanboy to those potential buyers. Respond in such a way that you are addressing the potential viewers of the hate thread and stick to facts. Dismissing the hater as a troll/hater out of hand, even if you know you are justified, actually makes it look (to an outsider) like the hater has a point and it gives the impression that you are in denial.
I agree that a response of some form must be made - the haters want to make sure nobody else buys a game they believe is flawed. You want to encourage people to buy a game you think is good.
My advice, is respond with that in mind. Don't bother telling the hater to shut up or to leave the boards etc.. thats futile and plus it makes you look like an unreasonable fanboy to those potential buyers. Respond in such a way that you are addressing the potential viewers of the hate thread and stick to facts. Dismissing the hater as a troll/hater out of hand, even if you know you are justified, actually makes it look (to an outsider) like the hater has a point and it gives the impression that you are in denial.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.